Texas! Come on in!
by AdamShell on Feb 11, 2010 1:09 PM EST
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LOTS of talk today after the Big Ten and TEXAS have had "preliminary exchanges" to have Texas become the 12th team! If you go back on this blog awhile, you'd notice that many of us at one point said that Texas would be a good fit (over a year ago) but thought it was unlikely. Well, it looks like we were wrong, and I for one am ecstatic!
How would the conferences break down. Could Texas become Penn State's new in conference rival?! This is absolutely amazing, PLEASE discuss this so I can keep getting more excited.
One story here
UPDATE: Potential conferences?
West East
Minnesota Indiana
Iowa Michigan State
Wisconsin Ohio State
Michigan Purdue
Northwestern Penn State
Illinois Texas
North South
Minnesota Indiana
Michigan Illinois
Michigan State Purdue
Northwestern Penn State
Iowa Ohio State
Wisconsin Texas
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It would be great...
if unlikely.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
by Esteban d' Amur on Feb 11, 2010 1:10 PM EST reply actions
I was just driving from lunch
and caught talk of it on The Herd…It would be amazing to add Texas, not only the huge spike in competitive football play, but all the other sports as well…Huge financial gains for all schools. It would create a monster and likely force other conferences to shift due to the void it creates in the southwest. I really hope this holds true, I wonder how those Texas boys would hold up in a November game in Happy Valley?? I totally share your excitement!!
"That's why you don't play! 'Cuz you're no good!" -Joe Paterno
The existing Big11Ten schools wouldn't gain much revenue (if anything)
Texas stands to gain the most, despite the uneven revenue sharing in the Nintendo XII. I forget what the exact figures are… there was an excellent article posted on here a little while ago outlining it.
We are gonna shock them with 5,000 mega watts of raw ROO POWER.
Really?
I would think the Big Ten Network expanding into Texas would offer an increase in revenue.
"That's why you don't play! 'Cuz you're no good!" -Joe Paterno
It would, but you're dividing the pie 12 ways at that point.
So yes, you’d gain some, but not a whole heckuva a lot. Lemme find that article…………….
We are gonna shock them with 5,000 mega watts of raw ROO POWER.
Naw, if if was simply Texas added as a 12th team, the other Big Ten teams would stand to definitely have increases in revenue (not as much as Texas, of course, because they are starting from a higher point). To wit…
1. Addition of a football championship game
2. Adding the BTN to basic cable in Texas as well as charging an increased carriage rate for that state.
2a. The Big Ten would also get higher rights fees from the BTN with Texas in tow (keep in mind that the BTN/Fox Sports pays the Big Ten for their inventory of games that they carry)
2b. Also, if this results in higher ratings, then the BTN makes more money from advertising which partially goes to the Big Ten conference as majority owners of the network
3. Adding another potentially high paying bowl game (I would think the Cotton Bowl, which has already talked to the Big Ten as currently constituted would jump at the league if they added Texas) or at least upgrading some bowls to higher paying ones
4. Getting more money from Disney and CBS next round of TV contract talks
Off the cuff, I would think that Texas being added to the conference could bring in an extra $40 million in added revenues without a problem. Enough to not only pay their share of the pool, but get some extra millions in the coffers of the current schools.
well the Big Ten would still gain a lot of revenue from Texas
assuming we’d get the Big Ten Network in Texas, plus they’d raise the average “income” of all schools, so you’d get that bump as well.
by The JuggerNitt on Feb 11, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
Here's the quote:
At the same time, Texas, which had a best case scenario of having the most nationally televised games and a BCS bowl appearance last year under the Big 12’s unequal revenue distribution formula, still made only $12 million in TV revenue compared to the $22 million that schools like Indiana and (gulp) Illinois received just for showing up.
That’s the quick and dirty version.
The first introductory article is found here, and I highly recommend reading all of the follow-ups. That quote is from the first follow-up.
We are gonna shock them with 5,000 mega watts of raw ROO POWER.
yeah, but just by joining the Big Ten
Texas’ individual revenue will shoot up (especially if the whole state of Texas gets the BTN). We could (and probably would) get even better bowl deals than we already have (which are already the best in the country), so the pie gets bigger.
It isn’t just going to be the $12 million Texas already gets. This will be a very symbiotic relationship.
by The JuggerNitt on Feb 11, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
That article was talking about LAST year
not a hypothetical scenario if they were in the Big Ten.
We are gonna shock them with 5,000 mega watts of raw ROO POWER.
Not just Texas
I guarantee you that when the Big Ten expands, it will be to 14 teams. Especially now that the Pac 10 is also talking expansion, you need to stay ahead of the game. Adding one team just isn’t looking forward enough. Better get it all done know (adding 3 teams) before the Pac 10 also starts plucking teams away and dominos start falling all over the place.
Adding 5 teams seems highly unlikely to me. I know it’s all rumor and hearsay at this point, but it just makes too much sense.
Go Big, go Texas.
But who do you take along with Texas?
Adding 2 more teams for the sake of adding 2 more teams would be foolish. There are no 2 schools left after Texas that even combined would create the impact that Texas alone would.
We are gonna shock them with 5,000 mega watts of raw ROO POWER.
sure there are
Nebraska and Oklahoma
Notre Dame and (insert pretty much any other team here)
heck, let’s go crazy and say Texas, Notre Dame, and USC. If we can poach Texas, who’s to say we couldn’t poach some other school ;-)
by The JuggerNitt on Feb 11, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
USC?
I’m crazy, but not that crazy. Agree w/ND + Marist or whoever…
well I don't actually think USC
just saying that there are schools out there that could bring in a lot of revenue
by The JuggerNitt on Feb 11, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
USC? Forget it. Time zones.
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Feb 11, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
well, I think the main reason we can forget USC
is that Paterno, Ferentz, and Fitzgerald have created a secret sect of Big 10 coaches to prevent more doucheabag coaches from joining the conference, and are rumored to have support of both Hope and Tressel. Unconfirmed are the rumors to eliminate certain current coaches.
by The JuggerNitt on Feb 11, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
TAMU and Nebraska.
Or TAMU and Pitt.
Either way, if Big Ten goes for 14, it’ll DEFINITELY be Texas and TAMU +1.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
I don't buy Pitt as that +1
Or even TAMU. Texas already delivers you the entire state; you don’t need TAMU, though of all the other TX schools, they’d be my next choice. I don’t think Oklahoma has the academics to get in.
Nebraska I could see being the +1 after TAMU, only because they don’t stomp on Texas’ TVs and their graduate programs are great.
We are gonna shock them with 5,000 mega watts of raw ROO POWER.
..... so, i guess what i'm saying is
IF they decided to go 14, i agree.
We are gonna shock them with 5,000 mega watts of raw ROO POWER.
I don't mean "we need TAMU."
I mean, “the texas legislature will require UT to bring TAMU along. So we’ll HAVE to go for 14.”
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
If Texas leaves that league
We can have our pick of the other 11 teams.
Nebraska and OU baby.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
Yes.
And then we’ll drop Northwestern and bring in Miami. We need like a beach house school.
"...there'll be some woman, maybe 45 or 50, she'll come up and give me a hug, and I'll give my wife a wink: See? I'm not that old." - Joe Paterno
by ReadingRambler on Feb 11, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
RU isn't close enough to the Jersey Shore for you?
We are gonna shock them with 5,000 mega watts of raw ROO POWER.
Ugh.
Does not want.
"Have I ever told the story of when I met Miley Cyrus?"
by Jeff Junstrom on Feb 11, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, I'm already from the Jersey Shore
Stop dragging your feet. I want to see PSU less than 5 hours from my house, please. Thanks.
We are gonna shock them with 5,000 mega watts of raw ROO POWER.
That's why my vote is Pitt.
"Have I ever told the story of when I met Miley Cyrus?"
by Jeff Junstrom on Feb 11, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE ZOMG
NEW YORK CITY MARKET
We are gonna shock them with 5,000 mega watts of raw ROO POWER.
Pittsburgh's is bigger.
We have Darieth Chisolm (makes me laugh every time, mostly because I’m 12).
"Have I ever told the story of when I met Miley Cyrus?"
by Jeff Junstrom on Feb 11, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
To be serious for a moment
Adding Pitt adds ZERO additional TVs. Adding a school somewhere other than within the B10 footprint could.
And NYC is the #1 DMA, not sure where you’re getting that info from lol.
We are gonna shock them with 5,000 mega watts of raw ROO POWER.
I just read a report
that the Big Ten is aggressively trying to increase it’s exposure to Pierogis, so Pitt is the obvious choice.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
Beach houses at the Coralville Reservoir
…aren’t all they’re cracked up to be.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Feb 11, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
It's cold there.
"...there'll be some woman, maybe 45 or 50, she'll come up and give me a hug, and I'll give my wife a wink: See? I'm not that old." - Joe Paterno
by ReadingRambler on Feb 11, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Any teams you want from the Big 12
If Texas is out, where does that leave the rest of the Big 12? Especially when the Pac 10 is also looking to poach teams? It’ll be every program for themselves and why would they want to stick around the Big 12 at that point….and that is exactly why teams like Oklahoma and Nebraska and whoever else will be up for grabs.
The problem with the Pac10
is you need unanimous approval from university presidents to add a school. That’s going to be tough as shit.
We are gonna shock them with 5,000 mega watts of raw ROO POWER.
Stanford is going to demonstrate its prickishness in this, I think.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
no not the havard of the west
Never insult seven men when all you have is a six shooter --COL Sherman T Potter
by psu in the w-b on Feb 12, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
It would be Utah and Colorado to the Pac 10 in that circumstance.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
They did this back in the '90s..
Texas, you’re a dirty, dirty whore. Just make sure you don’t bring those creepy people from A&M.
"...there'll be some woman, maybe 45 or 50, she'll come up and give me a hug, and I'll give my wife a wink: See? I'm not that old." - Joe Paterno
I think the Big Ten would keep it at 12 teams
Adding Texas would make the Big Ten one of two preeminent conferences with the SEC. The Pac-10 might be stronger in football, top to bottom, but if they expand it’s probably still going to be second tier with the Big 12.
Dennis Dodd repots (FWIW... which is nothing)
That the reasons that Texas won’t move to the Big Ten is because the State Legislature won’t let them and because Texas is going to start its own television network.
mmmkay
Ok, well, apparently the Texas Longhorn TV network isn't fully bull
Tom Keegan, the guy who broke the story mentions that in his article here.
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2010/feb/11/big-ten-making-overtures-texas/?sports
Actually, I heard it had something to do with Texas' governor (as in, the state of Texas)
He’s a TAMU alum, and he doesn’t want it to happen because it could rip the Nintendo XII apart….
We are gonna shock them with 5,000 mega watts of raw ROO POWER.
Wow? Really? He doesn't quite look like a man who would burn his own special you know what in a bonfire:
I guess you never know.
"...there'll be some woman, maybe 45 or 50, she'll come up and give me a hug, and I'll give my wife a wink: See? I'm not that old." - Joe Paterno
by ReadingRambler on Feb 11, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
Divisions
They cannot put OSU, Texas, and PSU in the same division.
There are four marquee Big Ten schools, and two just under that in terms of prestige and national standing in this system.
You need to split the big four of Texas, PSU, OSU, and Michigan. This will enable a nice competitive balance between the two sides. Putting three of the four on one side creates a BigXII south situation that no one wants. From there you split Wisconsin, and Iowa and have a pretty balanced (power-wise) split. I know people will cry and moan that Iowa is a top four team, but nationally they are just not there yet.
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
We'll kick out two schools
Division 1:
Penn State
Miami
Wisconsin
Indiana
Michigan State
Texas
Division 2:
Michigan
Ohio State
Notre Dame
Iowa
Minnesota
Illinois
"...there'll be some woman, maybe 45 or 50, she'll come up and give me a hug, and I'll give my wife a wink: See? I'm not that old." - Joe Paterno
by ReadingRambler on Feb 11, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Northwestern is bad in everything but women's lacrosse.
Besides, we need an Arrogant And Delusional Division.
"...there'll be some woman, maybe 45 or 50, she'll come up and give me a hug, and I'll give my wife a wink: See? I'm not that old." - Joe Paterno
by ReadingRambler on Feb 11, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
Okay Rambler lets put the crack pipe down and come back to reality
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on Feb 11, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, like discussing more unconfirmed reports by anonymous sources.
"...there'll be some woman, maybe 45 or 50, she'll come up and give me a hug, and I'll give my wife a wink: See? I'm not that old." - Joe Paterno
by ReadingRambler on Feb 11, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
this is main stream media
It must be true!
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on Feb 11, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
That's what the internet is for.
Just because its a rumor and we’re discussing it doesn’t mean we should blow it completely out of proportion. Why not create a conference with Bama, Florida, Texas, Ohio State, Georgia Tech, Iowa, TCU, Boise, and us? Because it doesn’t add to the discussion, that’s why.
"Have I ever told the story of when I met Miley Cyrus?"
by Jeff Junstrom on Feb 11, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
If we are kicking out schools, why the hell would we keep Indiana? They are the weakest overall school in terms of athletic revenue and research money. Purdue is actually more the flagship school of the state despite their respective names.
Yeah, I know they are a historically great school in hoops, but so what?
We keep Indiana so we can keep saying Penn State has never lost to Indiana.
"...there'll be some woman, maybe 45 or 50, she'll come up and give me a hug, and I'll give my wife a wink: See? I'm not that old." - Joe Paterno
by ReadingRambler on Feb 11, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
is it so wrong???
Never insult seven men when all you have is a six shooter --COL Sherman T Potter
by psu in the w-b on Feb 11, 2010 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
if we never play them again
we can’t lose to them.
Damn you Steelton YMCA!!!!
by The JuggerNitt on Feb 11, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Breakdown has to have the Big 4 split, and then there are sub-rules (can’t split OSU and Michigan, etc.).
If Texas is true, I see:
1 – PSU, Texas, Mich St., Iowa (2 remaining of IND, MIN, NW, PUR)
2 – OSU, Mich, Wisky, Illinois (other 2 remaining)
Protected games = PSU/MSU, OSU/MICH, and some others that don’t really matter to me; 5 subconference games plus a rotating slate of three of the other subconference games.
Boom.
"Have I ever told the story of when I met Miley Cyrus?"
by Jeff Junstrom on Feb 11, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
Well PSU-MSU do not have to share a division
You make a cross division protection ala SEC and they play every year, Michigan would have to play little brother every year.
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on Feb 11, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
6 in one hand, half a dozen in the other
In my version, the cross division protection could be UM/MSU, in yours it would be PSU/MSU. Either way, both games could still occur every year.
"Have I ever told the story of when I met Miley Cyrus?"
by Jeff Junstrom on Feb 11, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah but I would like to keep MSU-PSU protected instead of OSU-PSU
You get my drift?
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on Feb 11, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
How is that not possible in my scenario?
If we’re in the same division, we play every year, then we can protect PSU/OSU. UM can protect UM/MSU and still play OSU every year for the same reason we play MSU. I guess we’re just missing each other; it’s semantics.
"Have I ever told the story of when I met Miley Cyrus?"
by Jeff Junstrom on Feb 11, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
No I see what you mean and I don't like it
I would rather not have to play one of the big four as my protected cross division game every year. It sets up a nasty schedule that would be unfair unless texas michigan play every year. I would rather have MSU in the other division with OSU and Michigan so we can play MSU instead of OSU every single year.
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on Feb 11, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
I got you now.
We’d still play OSU most years, but they would have the ability to rotate off. Gotcha.
"Have I ever told the story of when I met Miley Cyrus?"
by Jeff Junstrom on Feb 11, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
I want to keep the big four apart as much as possible so you don't have a weak sister sneaking into the limo on prom night with a boones farm in her purse and your tickets to the dance.
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on Feb 11, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I would like to see this
Division 1
texas
psu
Iowa
Indiana
Northwestern
Michigan State
Division 2
OSU
Michigan
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Illinios
Purdue
then you have several teams that have to play each other across divisions every single year in football. This is what the SEC does.
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on Feb 11, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Why do we all think PSU and TX are sharing a division?
The SEC does protected rivalries, and it works out fine for them. OSU and UM could have a protected rivalry game. Every team would have one, and rotate through the other teams in the division.
We are gonna shock them with 5,000 mega watts of raw ROO POWER.
Cause the Big 4 should be split
Else, OSU, UM, and TX would play every year. In the above scenario, we’re guaranteed a PSU/TX and OSU/UM game. If it were another way, the three team subconference would be brutal.
"Have I ever told the story of when I met Miley Cyrus?"
by Jeff Junstrom on Feb 11, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, I'm not sure what I'm getting at with that comment.
Been up since 2AM. Cut me some slack.
We are gonna shock them with 5,000 mega watts of raw ROO POWER.
Because as Jesse has so vigorously stated many times
The “game” (OSU-MSU) would be played as the last regular season game. If they are in the same division there is no chance of a rematch in teh conference title game a week later.
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on Feb 11, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Man, good thing I can't delete this. Sheesh.
We are gonna shock them with 5,000 mega watts of raw ROO POWER.
We don't want UM/OSU playing "The Game" then playing 2 weeks later in the title game.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
And carolinaeasy beat me, so... NM.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
why not?
That has to at least double the chance of a natural disaster, right?
by The JuggerNitt on Feb 12, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
i think it is like fourth or fifth sign of the apocalypse It is right next to Tressel riding on a pale horse or something
Never insult seven men when all you have is a six shooter --COL Sherman T Potter
by psu in the w-b on Feb 12, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
I keep reminding people of this
… but the Big 12 situation of horribly imbalanced divisions is much better than the ACC situation where nobody knows who is which division.
Here's my proposed alignment (correctly posted to the proper thread this time. I are dumb at internets)
right now assuming we go to 14 teams, bringing in Texas, TAMU, and someone like Rutgers or Pitt or other Eastern School.
East
Penn State
Other Eastern School (Rutgers/Pitt/Syracuse)
Michigan State
Purdue
Indiana
Northwestern
West
Texas
TAMU
Wisky
Iowa
Minnesota
Illinois
Doucheabags
OSU
Michigan
The winners from the East and West will play in the conference championship game. OSU and Michigan will play all 12 of their games against each other, and then play a sub-conference championship game, also against each other.
This way "The Game" is on virtually every week of the college football season. With luck, they can be relegated to the BTN2, which only airs in Ohio and Michigan, despite protests about the coverage map (mainly from people in Ohio and Michigan)
I am all for it
Never insult seven men when all you have is a six shooter --COL Sherman T Potter
by psu in the w-b on Feb 11, 2010 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
I'll believe it when I see it...
BUT…if Texas joins the Big Ten, we will be a short drive from at least one Penn State game every other year. Well, a reasonable drive anyway. We have lots of extra beds too, so we could open up the grotto to BSD roadtrippers. Just sayin’.
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