Nebraska would listen to Big11Ten
by MGPardoePSU on Feb 12, 2010 2:54 PM EST
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Would have done this in a fanShot but I figured I would post this here since this was on ESPN Insider today:
"Nebraska athletic director Tom Osborne says that he hasn't heard from the Big Ten or the Pac-10 about possibly joining either conference, but he is willing to hear them out. "We're focusing on the Big 12," Osborne told Steven M. Sipple of the Lincoln Journal-Star. "But I don't think that means if somebody wanted to pick up the phone and call us, that we'd hang up on them. You listen."
Since Colorado (Pac-10) and Missouri (Big Ten) appear to be expansion targets, which might also cause Texas to bail on the Big 12, Nebraska could find itself stuck in a second-rate league. Sipple writes that fans "should hope the Husker brass -- Osborne, the chancellor and the Board of Regents -- assumes an aggressive posture as opposed to lingering too long in wait-and-see mode while deals are being made." After all, given the school's limitations -- a small TV market, not much of an academic pedigree -- Nebraska wouldn't want to be last to the table." - ESPN Insider.
Now, I know Texas is the big prize that everyone has been looking at with the recent releases we're seen through out the media but I wouldn't mind having Nebraska either. We solve the "geography" argument that most of the media is playing up right now plus, we have a bit of an older rivalry with Nebraska as well. If Nebraska says they're willing to listen, I can't see any reason why we wouldn't at least make the pitch.....
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Why?
I’m curious because Missouri appears to add nothing.
"...there'll be some woman, maybe 45 or 50, she'll come up and give me a hug, and I'll give my wife a wink: See? I'm not that old." - Joe Paterno
by ReadingRambler on Feb 12, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
other than 2 fairly large markets
and basically the largest markets outside of Texas. As for a team I’d rather play, though, bring on Nebraska before Missouri
by The JuggerNitt on Feb 12, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
I don't really buy the "markets" argument.
Sorry.
"...there'll be some woman, maybe 45 or 50, she'll come up and give me a hug, and I'll give my wife a wink: See? I'm not that old." - Joe Paterno
by ReadingRambler on Feb 12, 2010 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
Oh really? Well I think the Big Ten (and the Big Ten Network) would rather "buy" the Missouri markets
Nebraska Population (2008 estimate): 1.78 million
Missouri Population (2008 estimate): 5.91 million
Assuming the same ratio of people have cable TV, and that’s a 3.3 fold increase in profit in the most profitable part of any deal we make.
Now perhaps the TV market issue isn’t big enough to overcome the fact that Nebraska >>>>>>> Missouri when it comes to football, but I wouldn’t just cast it aside. I’d at least say that they’re close enough in added value (for different “value” reasons) to warrant discussion
by The JuggerNitt on Feb 12, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
The only reason I've seen people looking at Missouri is the tv markets.
Everywhere else they’re just…meh. And really, I don’t live there, but does anyone in KC or St. Louis care about Missouri at all?
"...there'll be some woman, maybe 45 or 50, she'll come up and give me a hug, and I'll give my wife a wink: See? I'm not that old." - Joe Paterno
by ReadingRambler on Feb 12, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
st louis yes KC is jayhawk territory
Never insult seven men when all you have is a six shooter --COL Sherman T Potter
by psu in the w-b on Feb 13, 2010 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
Do you think that the Big Ten doesn’t care about what revenue a new member would bring in?
Or do you think that market size has little to no impact on revenues?
Well..
Simply put, I just don’t buy that Missouri brings any more of a market share or revenue boost than Nebraska.
I’ve said my opinion before: Missouri reminds me of Purdue and we’re not looking to add a Purdue here.
"...there'll be some woman, maybe 45 or 50, she'll come up and give me a hug, and I'll give my wife a wink: See? I'm not that old." - Joe Paterno
by ReadingRambler on Feb 12, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
I would also add that Nebraska
has a national “brand” name that stretches beyond its borders. I cannot think of a single person who did not graduate from or grow up in Missouri caring that the Tigers are on TV. However, I can see a Penn State/Ohio State/Iowa vs. Nebraska drawing casual viewers from coast-to-coast. They are a sort of Wild Card when it comes to revenue. They are harder to measure, but feel their impact would be greater than the “New York Market” teams, Syracuse and Rutgers, who don’t even make a dent now. Texas remains #1 for me, but Nebraska would be my next choice (provided some private school in Indiana hasn’t figured out what is best for them by now).
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Feb 15, 2010 5:10 AM EST up reply actions
Stop thinking about the school
The school itself doesn’t really matter so much as the location. The Big Ten gets money for every household that has DirectTV and the Big Ten Network. It doesn’t matter if television sets are tuned into watch their games or not, they still get the same amount of money. The single woman living out in a cornfield in Missouri that watches nothing but cooking shows and the Today Show and doesn’t even know what the Big Ten or football is, but subscribes to DirecTV is still lining the pockets of the teams in the Big Ten.
Now you can argue that adding Nebraska will cause more people to pick up the phone and order DirecTV to watch the games than adding Missouri would, but it’s going to be awfully hard to quantify that. And quantify that it would be more than make up the difference in subscribers that already exist in Missouri versus Nebraska.
by catesinator on Feb 15, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
The only thing Missouri really brings that Nebraska doesn't is TV revenue and maybe academics. And the TV thing is debateable.
That’s all I’m saying.
"...there'll be some woman, maybe 45 or 50, she'll come up and give me a hug, and I'll give my wife a wink: See? I'm not that old." - Joe Paterno
by ReadingRambler on Feb 15, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
I tend to disagree.
I think you get a bigger revenue boost because Nebraska can help with advertising revenue – ASIDE from the number of subscribers – because people will be more likely to watch Nebraska-(Big Three) than they are Mizzou-(Big Three). And advertising needs to be taken into account, not just the difference in $1 a month from 500,000 viewers based on subscribership. You just need to make more than $3M more in advertising over a season to overcome the numbers game.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Exactly
Nebraska is a “Brand Name”, which reaches outside the boundaries of its state. I can’t see someone making the argument that Alabama or Oklahoma would bring significant new markets, but their national appeal to the casual fan is undeniable. Mention “Nebraska” to a casual sports fan and they will instantly think of football. Mention Missouri and they will think of Kathy Bates and James Caan.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Feb 15, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
It's sad
But I’m already sick of the B10 expansion. It used to be a discussion I was excited to take part in, and anymore I feel like I hate the way the B10 handled this. By opening up this public forum so early in the process, we’re saturated with a never ending stream of speculation. If they had waited until they had at least contacted a few schools and set up some meetings, this wouldn’t be such a wide-open topic. If I were working for a paper, I could realistically write an article or 3 about the merits and possibility of Akron joining the B10. And they would just as baseless, and speculative as articles about Texas or Pitt.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
As someone who doesn't care about basketball,
I think it’s fun off-season gristle to chew on.
who want’s to start a rumor that the University of Buffalo has been extended an invitation?
u can do better.... SUNY Merchant Marine Accademy
Never insult seven men when all you have is a six shooter --COL Sherman T Potter
by psu in the w-b on Feb 12, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
I like discussing Big Ten Expansion…for about a week after the Big Ten announced they were going to expand. But this is getting silly. Every other day some rumor leaks out that the Big Ten called some school to gauge their interest and it sets off a firestorm on twitter and the message boards. I almost wish the Big Ten hadn’t said anything, but then all these leaks would be coming out anyway which would create even more speculation.
But we’re a blog and we’re all here to discuss college football. So when bits of information leak out we’ll report them for discussion.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
I was gonna mention the leak things
I understand the annoyance of the same discussion over again, but I don’t think BT not saying anything would have prevented it from getting out some way. That way it would be even more rumor like. And even though the discussions are a bit annoying, I’m glad we know that something is happening. I like being aware that preliminary talks with Texas have gone on, or that Tom Osborne is “willing to hear us out.”
by PSUisMyHeart on Feb 12, 2010 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
I want USC, Stanford, and University of Alaska to join the Big 14
Here’s how I would divide the conference…
blech
Aaugh
Argh!
Umph!
katord
by Mr. Rosewater on Feb 12, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
We solve the “geography” argument that most of the media is playing up right now
I still don’t understand why this is a problem when ever team is basically flying everywhere anyhow.
I know about your diabolical plan.
I completely agree.
As has been stated before, if Hawaii and Louisiana Tech can be in the same conference, why not Penn State and Texas?
by VVeRPennState on Feb 12, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
I think that strengthens my argument.
If the sucky teams in the WAC can make it work, then I think the big boys in the Big Ten will be fine.
by VVeRPennState on Feb 12, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Of course
That’s a big reason that league broke apart.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
The WAC broke apart because it was large and unwieldy and there were a bunch of teams that brought basically nothing to the league and were essentially leeches. The MWC members were basically the top teams who decided to break away and form a tighter, better overall league.
I’m not sure if the 16 team WAC experiment tells us much about the feasibility of a 16 team setup for a major conference.
That said, I don’t think the Big Ten is going to 16. Maybe 14, if it involved Texas and/or Notre Dame plus others to make it happen, but I don’t see 16. Or they may very well stay at 11.
Seriously
State College to Austin/Lincoln would BY FAR, be the longest trip in the Big Ten at a little over 1500 miles (in the case of UT). And if the conference were to be broken up geographically, (as I, who loves symmetry, hope), they would likely only play in football every few years (championship game excluded). For comparison, Washington State and the University of Washington are even father away from Arizona and Arizona State, teams they play EVERY season. The Pac 10 seems to be doing fine and they generate far less revenue than the Big 10. Stop with the gloom-and-doom already. I’m sorry if Penn State fans want to drive places so badly, but air travel is awfully convenient and Texas or Nebraska could only help the league.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Feb 15, 2010 5:23 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, they really shouldn't
UTEP and LA Tech should swap conferences, and everyone knows this, but LA Tech is too stubborn to leave the WAC.
I don't know that it's a problem, per se
But while the WAC co-existed as a league, and BC continues to make the ACC work, it’s obviously not ideal. Lack of geographical continuinty waters down the identity of the league. I hate to keep going back to my original premise of Texas/OU/Nebraska (actually, I love going back to it now that two of the schools have been mentioned) but if you look at the two divisions, they pretty much make sense as seperate entities.
Bringing in two additional Big 12 teams solves a lot of problems, the league identity problem, the travel problem (such as it is) and most importantly to us, it puts Penn State in a much more compact footprint. It’s not adding Syracuse giving us some impotent rivalry that nobody cares about, in fact, it’s much better. It sets up the PSU/OSU/UM “eastern division” versus the UT/OU/Neb. “western” division. It makes Penn State a permanent fixture in the league.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
by jesse. on Feb 12, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If your pipe dream comes to pass
We’ll all bow down before the Great Prophet jesse..
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Feb 12, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
If Texas jumps leagues it's hardly a pipe dream.
What possible insentive do OU and Nebraska have to stay in the Big 12 if Texas leaves? Their rivalries with Kansas State? Nonsense.
The obstcle to the plan is Texas, not OU and Nebraska. They would be foolish not to follow Texas if they chose to leave, if Texas stays put, I imagine they will too.
Also, in a fight between the Texas legislature and the University of Texas. I’ll take UT.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
Sorry, but
the Big Ten isn’t taking two more schools if Texas joins. They just aren’t. Texas fulfills all of the league’s requirements without asking them to bend their academic standards the way most other Big XII schools would and would make the maximum amount of money per member school through doing so.
In fact, the only way I could see the Big Ten taking 3 schools is if the Texas state legislature threw another tantrum and demanded that A&M (the ONLY other school that fits the Big 10 profile) comes with. In that scenario, to mitigate the division of a new market, I could see an Eastern school being added to balance the equation, or even Notre Dame finally acquiescing, admitting that the future has arrived.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Feb 15, 2010 5:31 AM EST up reply actions
And don't think he won't receive your obeisance
He’d be tickled to let you kiss his ring
"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess
"actually, I love going back to it "
That’s a nice bit of candid disclosure.
"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess
I would absolutely love the next leak to be about OU
and I can just imagine how the discussions are going. I would love to have those 3 schools in the league (and I wouldn’t really even mind substituting TAMU for OK or Nebraska, if need be)
by The JuggerNitt on Feb 12, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
I don't want to have to play them.
They’re scary.
"...there'll be some woman, maybe 45 or 50, she'll come up and give me a hug, and I'll give my wife a wink: See? I'm not that old." - Joe Paterno
by ReadingRambler on Feb 12, 2010 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
OU
I don’t see Oklahoma as a possibility. Just not good enough academically and not a member of the AAU. And it’s not like the state of Oklahoma is all that populated (in terms of households for the BTN). I think if we need to bring a partner to get Texas, it will be A&M.
That said, from a fan standpoint, would love to see the Sooners join.
I adressed that in a prior post
but, suffice to say, there is not much of a difference between OU and Nebraska academicly, and I believe that 13 other AAU member schools might speed along OU’s admission. Keep in mind, that joining the Big Ten would result in noticable jumps in the standing of those schools in and of itself.
One thing that gets overlooked a lot in these discussions is the “culture” of the schools, it’s why I always poo poo the idea of BYU in the Pac Ten. Nebraska is a Big Ten school (Spanier was president there before Penn State, and like him or not, Spanier is who turned Penn State into a Big Ten school). This is also a big reason why I giggle when people talk about Pitt joining the Big Ten, because Pitt is clearly not a Big Ten school. I don’t mean that in a bad way, it’s just a different type of school.
Long story short, OU and Nebraska fit in with the other Big Ten schools.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
Campus Culture
I agree with you on the issue of campus culture, which is sad because I’d love for Pitt to get in on that research money as well as play PSU every year. The culture argument also works against Syracuse as a smaller, private school. I think if any team from the Big East is tapped, it’ll be Rutgers. And they already have their bags packed.
However, what makes Nebraska and Mizzou and Oklahoma culturally appealing also makes them less likely to defect. That Big Eight history runs very deep for those three, unlike Texas who actively shopped around after the SWC collapsed.
Well, first, the Big Eight doesn't exist anymore.
Second, I think that Nebraska and OU would defect for the same reason that Penn State left the eastern independents. Domination.
I know the Pitt fans think it’s bullshit, but we never really considered the eastern schools rivals. The series were not competitive, so it was easy to bail on them. Similarly, I just don’t see that Neb./OU would care very much about giving up rivalry games against schools they lose to once every fifteen years.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
It's funny...
People may not believe your point about the eastern schools until you look at Penn State beating Syracuse for about 20 straight years and never, ever losing to Maryland in the Paterno era. Wow, WVU, you beat Paterno twice in four years. Impressive.
"...there'll be some woman, maybe 45 or 50, she'll come up and give me a hug, and I'll give my wife a wink: See? I'm not that old." - Joe Paterno
by ReadingRambler on Feb 13, 2010 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
You mean twice in Forty, right?
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
Good point.
"...there'll be some woman, maybe 45 or 50, she'll come up and give me a hug, and I'll give my wife a wink: See? I'm not that old." - Joe Paterno
by ReadingRambler on Feb 14, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
This
I love when I hear older Penn State fans crying about how they hate the Big Ten because they miss our old eastern “rivalries”. Give me a break.
However, these rivlaries are part of who we are.
The standing may not be close but the hate is still present. I married into a syracuse a family. They take any chance to pounce on penn state. I was up at the dome for the game there, Trust me they still hate us up there. The game wasnt even started before the F__ck Penn State cheer cam out from there student section
Never insult seven men when all you have is a six shooter --COL Sherman T Potter
by psu in the w-b on Feb 14, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, they hate us.
But seriously, who gives a shit? You, because you married into a Syracuse family, but other than that, who? Nobody.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
Yeah..what jesse. said.
Of course they hate us. We kicked their ass all the time. Big deal.
"...there'll be some woman, maybe 45 or 50, she'll come up and give me a hug, and I'll give my wife a wink: See? I'm not that old." - Joe Paterno
by ReadingRambler on Feb 14, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
one question. is it different when ohter big ten unnamed schools say the PSU games doesnt matter?
Never insult seven men when all you have is a six shooter --COL Sherman T Potter
by psu in the w-b on Feb 14, 2010 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
No
As much as we hate Michigan, we aren’t their rival. I think we’ve developed a good rivalry with Ohio State. We’ll never be their #1 rival, but it’s something. It’s just going to take some time.
I agree with the above replies.
I wasn’t at the game in Happy Valley, but I can’t imagine our “anti” Syracuse cheers went any further than “good luck surviving the game.”
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
if we dont care why are we discussing the old rivlaries, poinintg out our dominant win records and why we are superior
a good rivalry always has one side that has an air of superiority
Never insult seven men when all you have is a six shooter --COL Sherman T Potter
by psu in the w-b on Feb 14, 2010 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
Dude.
It’s a not a rivalry if the other team never wins.
"...there'll be some woman, maybe 45 or 50, she'll come up and give me a hug, and I'll give my wife a wink: See? I'm not that old." - Joe Paterno
by ReadingRambler on Feb 14, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
details details details
Never insult seven men when all you have is a six shooter --COL Sherman T Potter
by psu in the w-b on Feb 14, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
That's why
Iowa considers Northwestern to be a bigger rival than Penn State…
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Feb 15, 2010 5:34 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, right.
I read enough at BHGP to know Iowa considers “just Northwestern” to not be a rival but a team Iowa happens to lose to.
"...there'll be some woman, maybe 45 or 50, she'll come up and give me a hug, and I'll give my wife a wink: See? I'm not that old." - Joe Paterno
by ReadingRambler on Feb 15, 2010 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
I think that's changing a bit.
Most don’t want to consider jNW a rival because some of us hate the idea of placing Northwestern football on the same level as Iowa. However, Fitzgerald is turning that program around, and if Iowa continues to lose, we’ll be on the ass end of the “not a rivalry if you never lose” argument. My hatred for jNW, at this point, is only surpassed by my hatred for Minnesota and ISU.
That said, I’m just 25 and never really developed a strong hatred for Iowa’s more traditional rivals.
by The Mexican't on Feb 15, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Rivals
I don’t think that’s true — a good rivalry has some competitiveness from both sides. It doesn’t mean that the record has to be .500 or around that, but if one team is winning less than 30% of the time or so, the “rivalry” often isn’t really there for the dominant side.
I don't buy it
Sure the Big 8 doesn’t exist in name, but 89 years of history doesn’t just evaporate when 4 Texas schools join the mix.
Maybe the records for PSU vs WVU are similar to Nebraska vs K State, but I think you’re underestimating the differences between conference scheduling and independent scheduling. Does Ohio State stop scheduling Minnesota because it’s not competitive?
Does Ohio State stop scheduling Minnesota because it’s not competitive?
That’s not the question. The question is, if Ohio State could double the amount of money they bring in from athletics, and still play Michigan every year, would not playing Minnesota anymore be an impediment to it.
I propose the answer is no.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
Who is Nebraska's #1 Rivalry, though?
Historically, I’d say Oklahoma, but that tradition wasn’t protected when the Big 12 was formed and now Oklahoma seems completely focused on Texas and little brother Oklahoma State. Is season-ender Colorado the rival? Maybe Missouri, but that’s only recently become competitive.
Joining the Big Ten would double TV revenue, but not double the entire athletic budget. I don’t think it’s impossible, I just think the conference bonds amongst the Big 8 members would be tougher to break than any in the Big East or Big 12/SWC.
But then a vocal portion of Mizzou’s fanbase has been auditioning to join the Big Ten for about year, so maybe I don’t know what I’m talking about. I suppose that the longstanding Illinois rivalry already puts their foot in the door, though.
That's kind of the point
Nebraska is simlar to Penn State right now, they don’t really have the “number one rival”. All the more reason for Nebraska to be willing to move on, they aren’t nearly as tied to that league as some of the other schools, especially since they don’t really play basketball.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
I agree with you on that Kevin
I don’t that geography is as huge of an issue as the media makes it out to be. the WAC example or the ACC that were shown again back that up. But, of course the media has to freak out and make it a big deal.
OMGWTFLOL!
This was just on my twitter..
If the big ten calls me asking me if I am interested in becoming the next commish, I will listen.
Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face
The biggest question regarding this is...
How do the SEC honks use the expansion to fund their argument about being the best damn conference in the world?
Do they just give Vanderbilt and Miss State away to any takers, thinking that those two will win their new conferences outright?
by The VD Special on Feb 12, 2010 10:06 PM EST reply actions
They'll make a push for WVU/Texas/OU
WVU and OU have no academics, so they’ll fit right in.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
The SEC has no barriers other than competition
so they would take whichever schools make the biggest athletic splash. THIS is why I absolutely loooooove expansion talk, because we’re discussing the radical alteration of the entire college football landscape. If the Big Ten were to do the unthinkable and land Texas, all Hell breaks loose;
Colorado finally makes their jump to the Pac 10 (there are loads of articles on this) while that same conference adds another team (BYU is to Mormons what Notre Dame is to Catholics…except one religion is actually growing) for balance. The SEC, realizing they are no longer the unquestioned king of college football, and having little else to claim, grab Oklahoma and Texas A&M (or Clemson?!?) to create a 14-team, super-conference. The remaining schools in the now-battered Big 8 (formerly XII after 8…huh?) add TCU, Utah and Boise State and…hey!, that’s not a bad little league all of a sudden?!? Hell, let’s add New Mexico just for fun!!! No, it’s not a replacement for what they lost, but it’s still awfully interesting, and the landscape of college athletics is altered completely.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Feb 15, 2010 5:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And at the eye of the storm lies the slow, backward conference that can't count.
What a shame that would be.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Berkley, Stanford, and UCLA
will not want to academically associated with BYU.
They’d take Fresno State before the Mormons.
So switch Utah with BYU
but it’s incredibly short-sighted for the Pac 10 to ignore BYU if they are hoping to increase revenue. Mormons don’t indulge in much, but they typically love sports (yes, I’m painting with a broad brush) and their numbers are rapidly expanding. Most importantly from a growth standpoint, they account for huge portions of the Phoenix and Las Vegas markets in addition to drawing in small pockets of viewers nationally and even worldwide…just like Notre Dame but with less desperation. The Pac 10 would be foolish not to explore the implications of adding BYU.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Feb 15, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe it's just me (and jesse.) but I think the feeling is mutual.
Why would BYU want anything to do with Berkeley?
"...there'll be some woman, maybe 45 or 50, she'll come up and give me a hug, and I'll give my wife a wink: See? I'm not that old." - Joe Paterno
by ReadingRambler on Feb 15, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Because Hippies
are the Native Americans of the 21st century.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Feb 15, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
excuse you
The preferred nomenclature is “wookie”
http://www.passedoutwookies.com/
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
That site is moderately awesome despite its poor degree of functionality.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
I’ve been trying to hack into their user submissions for years to view them. There’s got to be some really obvious user login, the key is to go here
http://www.passedoutwookies.com/gallery/albums.php
And then try to log in. Well sort of, for some reason the link doesn’t work even though I was just there today, and I got there by trying different page names b/c the links on the site are busted.
Today it said there were over 800 images in there, 800 hilarious little nuggets of joy just waiting for me to figure out the login.
I mean, c’mon, if you were to create a user name and pword for that site, it’s not going to be super complex.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
wierd, I can’t. It just hangs when I go to the link… Year’s ago I think we used to be able to get into that part of the site. What browser/version do you use?
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
Chrome, up-to-date as far as I know.
It’s very sluggish, but I could browse through the galleries.
It isn’t pretty.
Seems to work in Firefox 3.5 too. Just remove the .thumb from the file address if you want/need to see any pictures in their original dimensions. [not recommended]
You just have to love the internet.
It’s no www.hotchickswithdouchebags.com , or even www.textsfromlastnight.com , but it’s close.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
TFLN is awesome.
I love how this site keeps me up to date on PSU news AND the internets.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
This one spreads some joy too...
http://awkwardfamilyphotos.com/
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
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