UT OH - Michigan's in Troubuuuul
The NCAA accuses the Maize and Blue of "major violations". Most of the infractions involve hiring "quality control staff" that act as coaches during voluntary offseason workouts and slightly exceeding NCAA allotted times for practice and strength conditioning work.
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A tree falls in a forest...
Is it really a violation if you exceed allotted times for practice and strength conditioning but still suck?
It's all relative....
Think of where they might have been without the extra practive. They might have finished below Indiana for the lat two years. Now, that would have been distressing!
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
Vince Lombardi
Scuse me...
Seems like my keyboard is acting up again and causing lost of typos!!
practive = practice
lat=last
Need to use the preview button!
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
Vince Lombardi
It did it again!
Lost = lots
It’s 5:44, I’m going to bed!
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
Vince Lombardi
Ok, here's our talking point:
“This is just a demonstration of the measures RichRod will use for success without honor.”
"...there'll be some woman, maybe 45 or 50, she'll come up and give me a hug, and I'll give my wife a wink: See? I'm not that old." - Joe Paterno
It’s not as bad as it sounds
Mgoblog
"There are only three certainties in college football: all players will eventually leave, the ACC will be bad, and Joe Paterno ", Clay Travis, CNNsi Fanhouse
sure its not loss of scholarship probation etc not bad at all
Never insult seven men when all you have is a six shooter --COL Sherman T Potter
by psu in the w-b on Feb 23, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
it’s negative attention to a program that doesn’t need it, especially given their dismal record of the past few years, transfers, etc.
its bad publicity for an already shady coach. it’s a headache.
i know i’m in the minority here, but i actually feel bad for michigan lo these past few years.
Eat what the monkey eats, then eat the monkey. -U.S. Navy survival guidance
Remember This
they were chanting “We Own Penn State” at a bball game a fews ago when they weren’t even playing us
I don’t feel bad. They would not return the favor
"There are only three certainties in college football: all players will eventually leave, the ACC will be bad, and Joe Paterno ", Clay Travis, CNNsi Fanhouse
False
At least the last part. I can’t defend idiots at a basketball game (the chant, IIRC, was a night in the early season where played you guys in football the same day). But as far as sympathy with NCAA violations, anything short of Saban we would at least feel sympathy. Even Ohio State, if for no other reason than the mutual respect between enemies.
by formerlyanonymous on Feb 23, 2010 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
The chant was last heard against us last Saturday.
Which came after two years of beatdowns in football. It was also heard during Michigan’s basketball game with Michigan State. Which is just idiotic. Maybe they should stop playing Zombie Nation. Makes you act like Pitt fans in 1982 or something.
"...there'll be some woman, maybe 45 or 50, she'll come up and give me a hug, and I'll give my wife a wink: See? I'm not that old." - Joe Paterno
by ReadingRambler on Feb 23, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
Football game- 10/24.
First UM basketball game- 11/14.
Not disputing your main point, and I think no one wants to see another proud program suffer these kinds of incidents. But I think RR has that image associated with him at this point, fair or not, and needs to stay squeaky clean to keep the heat off UM.
by PSUinBOSSton on Feb 23, 2010 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
Michigan isn't a proud program.
They hired Rich Rodriguez. They think they’re a proud program. There is a difference.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
LOL
can always count on jesse. to make me laugh out loud with his blunt perspectives on certain situations
by The JuggerNitt on Feb 23, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
this is very true
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
Here is the analogy
Imagine if Penn State fired Joe Paterno in 1999, then hired Bobby Patrino and had two losing seasons in a row.
Pride? They want to talk about pride? They took a sucessfull team, then destroyed it by hiring a scumbag [who incidently appears to be less competent than Jay Paterno]. We’re supposed to respect them? That’s a joke.
Seriously, at least Miami [Fla.] recognizes there is a problem.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
Even if they were a proud program
suffer these kinds of incidents? C’mon, there won’t be any suffering here, the NCAA is a paper tiger. What we all really want is for them to hand out the death penalty to somebody big (yes, I mean USC) to show that they actually care. Until then this sort of paper shuffling violations are just that, paper shuffling.
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Feb 23, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
Or I could have continued reading
and seen what millzners wrote. Sorry.
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Feb 23, 2010 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
If I could have a moment with the Big Ten
It would be exactly like Good Will Hunting, except instead of saying “it’s not your fault”, Big ten fans would be forced to repeat “Michigan isn’t better than you” until they cry.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
thanks for the breakthru jesse why did i pay my therapist for so many years
Never insult seven men when all you have is a six shooter --COL Sherman T Potter
by psu in the w-b on Feb 23, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
- I work at a college as a janitor even though I feel like I’m smarter than most of the people that go there. Sometimes I see an equation written on a blackboard, like half an equation, and I’ll just figure it out.
- Yeah, anyway. My best friend is Ben Affleck…
by Bob Sacamano on Feb 24, 2010 8:34 AM EST up reply actions
how do u like dem apples
Never insult seven men when all you have is a six shooter --COL Sherman T Potter
by psu in the w-b on Feb 24, 2010 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
Here's my take
None of this is a big deal. They didn’t pay their players, they didn’t furnish hookers for their recruits, and they didn’t help players cheat on exams. But even if they did all of those things, on top of the actual violations, they still wouldn’t face any punishment. Lord knows other coaches have done all those afore mentioned things and not faced a single shred of punishment.
The NCAA is a toothless, inept, lazy organization that likes to beat their chests during the investigation of a school only to cower away with their tail between their legs when it comes to delivering a judgement. Secondary violations are treated like parking tickets, it takes years just to deliver a ruling on major violations with the ubiquitous “double secret probation” the only real punishment they are willing to impose. Sure they may drop the hammer on a small school just to keep the illusion, but they would never dare do anything against the Tennessees, USCs, or Michigans.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
further reading about how inept and embarassing powerless the NCAA is
The only hope the NCAA has of nailing USC is a sleezey ex-agent of Bush’s has a civil suit that may end up with subpoenas to some USC staff. The hilarious part is that all USC has to do to make this go away is get Bush to write a check and settle this before the subpoenas are mailed out.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
Does anyone care to summarize that?
I did read the MGoBlog recap, and it helped.
Basically:
Michigan checks up on players to make sure they are in class, and has been doing this since Bo. (I know someone who’s had football players as a TA and can confirm that polo-shirt wearing folk checked in on luminaries like Jake Long.) This has been going on during summer classes; apparently it is not kosher to do this.
The “quality control” people at issue in the investigation have football coaching experience. One of them, for instance, is our new safeties/OLBs coach. Before his time at Michigan he had some stints at smaller schools. Someone testified that the QC people did not have coaching experience, which may have been an “honest mistake,” which the NCAA will rule on. How could this be an honest mistake?
The people testifying weren’t the gophers or anyone at the workouts. It sounds like they were people in compliance or elsewhere in the athletic department but not the football program who were either ignorant or deceitful, either of which would explain the rumors going around about heads rolling in the aftermath of the report.
I don’t see why it is against the rules to check up on kids and make sure they go to class, though. I almost think they would encourage such an action.
As for the “quality control” coaches, I mean seriously? Did they really think they’d get away with that?
I read all of the allegations (I think)
And none of them mentioned the QC people checking up on players attending class. They were making players attend extra and longer practice sessions, sometimes as punishment for missing class. If Michigan is anything like my university, professsors have to report on student athletes’ class performance, including attendance, multiple times a semester.
For the glory
by Paige2PSU on Feb 23, 2010 9:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This^
From my understanding, it wasn’t wrong to check up on the students to make sure they were attending class. The problem came when they “forced” kids to do extra laps or spend extra time in the weight room as punishment for skipping class. At that point, the workouts were no longer voluntary, and that is where the violation came in.
Mike
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Good luck with that.
"...there'll be some woman, maybe 45 or 50, she'll come up and give me a hug, and I'll give my wife a wink: See? I'm not that old." - Joe Paterno
by ReadingRambler on Feb 23, 2010 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
It depends on how I feel in the morning.
"...there'll be some woman, maybe 45 or 50, she'll come up and give me a hug, and I'll give my wife a wink: See? I'm not that old." - Joe Paterno
by ReadingRambler on Feb 23, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
obligatory
what are they gonna do? force them to vacate wins for the past two seasons? BAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>laughs out loud, immaturely and uncontrollably. get’s awkward stare from fiance. doesn’t care, keeps laughing.
and, whew…composed again.
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