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Ed DeChellis Haters, JUST SHUT UP


Ed DeChellis should not be fired.  It would embarass him, and that would be bad. Beyond Ed, his family, and the other coaches, there just aren't enough other people who really care about changing the PSU men's basketball coaching staff to matter.  So, malcontents, please go away.

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First, I would like to start by recognizing that there are probably a few PSU basketball fans.  I.'d guess the number to be about 1,500 or so, if you consider that the count should include only those people who regularly attend games,who are not PSU students. These people all have their own good reasons for attendance. For example, if you've got kids, its a great place to get a cheap seat, and see the Nittany Lion, a Band, and the Cheerleaders. There have been, from time to time, outbursts of competitive basketball which seems to draw a crowd every blue moon or so.  But, over the years, there really is not a large group of malcontents making a lot of noise because PSU men's basketball transcends mere "terrible'. God Bless Them, the fans, team, coaches, band, cheerleaders, et al.   

The rest of the world simply does not care about PSU men's basketball.  That's the way it is, and it is OK.

The Trustee's don't care.  They are busy trying to figure out where to make up the billions lost in the endownments that lost money last decade.

The Administration doesn't care.  The last action they took was to try to fire JoePa!

The Athletic Depatrment doesn't care. They have a profitable basketball program. What do you want Tim Curley to do? Start paying a coaching staff $3,000,000 when JoePa was making $500,000 two years ago?

I've got an autographed basketball, signed at least 20 years ago, by the entire PSU basketball coaching staff.  The signatures are Bruce Parkhill, Gerry Dunn, and Ed DeChellis.

PSU coaches, by and large, are 'tenured' if they do not violate any basic university principles.  This is good for football and women's volleyball, and is what it is for PSU basketball.

If you want to complain about something, complain about the Pirates.

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I have that basketball.

Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.

by jesse. on Feb 5, 2010 10:02 PM EST reply actions  

I will not SHUT UP

Just because I can’t refute your logic I won’t stop calling for Ed to be fired. Unless he can turn this thing around. Any ideas out there?

by skins4ever' on Feb 5, 2010 10:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I don't know who you are...

But this is never gonna work if you keep using spelling, capitalization, and punctuation.

"I AM A DIEHARD REDSKINS FAN, CAPS, LEAFS, AND I LOVE WATCHING TENNIS. SO WHATS THE BIG DEAL"

by ReadingRambler on Feb 5, 2010 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

And thanks for not using a period.

It shows tremendous BSD manners.

Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.

by jesse. on Feb 5, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't care anymore.

Just move back to the damned Rec Hall.

"I AM A DIEHARD REDSKINS FAN, CAPS, LEAFS, AND I LOVE WATCHING TENNIS. SO WHATS THE BIG DEAL"

by ReadingRambler on Feb 5, 2010 10:19 PM EST reply actions  

suck it joefromboalsburg Ed DeChellis Haters

by The JuggerNitt on Feb 5, 2010 10:38 PM EST reply actions  

How many BSD T-shirts...

…with this dog on them do I have to promise to buy before they become a reality?

Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.

by jesse. on Feb 5, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

you know you could probably make the T-shirt yourself (not to take away from the BSD profit margin)

I would absolutely love it. just a picture of this dog, with the words “SUCK IT!” above or below it.

by The JuggerNitt on Feb 5, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

The front says "suck it."

There is a picture of the dog on the back.

I’d much prefer that BSD sell it to me.

Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.

by jesse. on Feb 5, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

ok i enjoy this but what is the story behind it?

Never insult seven men when all you have is a six shooter --COL Sherman T Potter

by psu in the w-b on Feb 7, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

You could search for jesse.'s BBQ thread

but essentially the abridged version: jesse. had a picture of his neighbors dog in his post, but the caption right under the photo said “SUCK IT JOE FROM BOALSBURG”, which naturally led to a discussion as to why this had anything to do with the dog (which it didn’t, it was supposed to be a caption of another picture), and just like that a BSDism was born, and jesse.‘s neighbor’s dog will now live forever in internet infamy.

by dawsonPSU10 on Feb 10, 2010 12:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually

About a week later I said something about how reasonable I was, and that I never called anybody names or something to that effect. Jtothep’s response was nothing more than the picture and the caption, which is what started it.

Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.

by jesse. on Feb 10, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree.

"I AM A DIEHARD REDSKINS FAN, CAPS, LEAFS, AND I LOVE WATCHING TENNIS. SO WHATS THE BIG DEAL"

by ReadingRambler on Feb 10, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

THIRDED

next to caps locks = i know everything

Never insult seven men when all you have is a six shooter --COL Sherman T Potter

by psu in the w-b on Feb 10, 2010 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Is that your photo jesse?

Or something off the internetz? BSD would need copyright permissions…

by PSUWifey on Feb 6, 2010 12:36 AM EST reply actions  

It's my neighbors dog.

Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.

by jesse. on Feb 6, 2010 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Taken for your post on awesome barbecue, right?

"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."

by IcersGuy on Feb 6, 2010 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

correct.

Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.

by jesse. on Feb 6, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

ps

I’m doing that again this summer, probably on a Friday.

Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.

by jesse. on Feb 6, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm just sayin'

We all knew the 2009-2010 year was going to be a down year, regardless of the NIT Championship…and while the 0 for 10 BT start sucks, there have been a few bright spots, and for that I think that Ed should def. get one more year to see what he can do…most of us thought 2010-2011 would be NCAA tourney year anyway right?

by lllopez_03 on Feb 6, 2010 1:53 PM EST reply actions  

I suspect one autograph on your ball is fake

If you’ve got a ball signed by “Gerry Dunn” its a conterfeit. Because “Gerry Dunn” has never coached the Nittany Lions basketball team.

by NittanyBadger on Feb 7, 2010 3:24 PM EST reply actions  

Dear NittanyBadger,

Yawn.

Signed,
Rambler

"I AM A DIEHARD REDSKINS FAN, CAPS, LEAFS, AND I LOVE WATCHING TENNIS. SO WHATS THE BIG DEAL"

by ReadingRambler on Feb 7, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I support Ed DeChellis w/ "The Ed Head"

I’ve created a way for all Ed fans to show their support at the remaining Penn State homes games during the quest for imperfection, an 0-16 season.

It’s The Ed Head!

Show your support Nittany Nation!!

by NittanyBadger on Feb 7, 2010 3:39 PM EST reply actions  

I'm going to chalk this one up as sarcasm.

Or at least a very back-handed complement of the Penn State fanbase.

I was a season ticket holder for PSU basketball games, but that’s irrelevant. PSU should have the same standards as the rest of the NCAA: the decision to hire or fire someone is based on performance over a reasonable period of time. The 29-82 record in the Big Ten over the last seven years should speak for itself.

by Cairo on Feb 8, 2010 3:40 PM EST reply actions  

but what is your measure of performance

win/loss?
profit/loss?

If we could increase the wins, but at a loss of $, is that “worth” it? Of course it isn’t even as clear cut as that, but you get the point. And even then, if we do go out, spend the money to bring in a coach that can bring in the recruits to win, who’s to say that they’ll even become competitive in basketball?

I wish it wasn’t this way, but PSU is to basketball what Indiana is to football. Even just in state we are maybe the 4th or 5th best destination to play basketball (In no particular order, the schools “above” us when it comes to basketball: Villanova, Temple, Pitt, and probably even St. Joe’s). Sure it is a lot easier to turn a program around in basketball, but would we be able to sustain that sort of success?

And let’s say we bring in the big name coach and the big name recruits. Are they still going to be better than what MSU or OSU or Wisky or Indiana or Purdue are bringing in? So in all likelihood we’ll spend more $, improve the team, but still not really compete in the Big 10 any more regularly than we do right now.

Is that worth it? Maybe…I don’t really know. I hate watching teams I like lose, but I especially hate watching them not be competitive. But I’m also (like I imagine the majority of PSU fans are) just a casual basketball fan. I probably even watch them more than most PSU fans, mostly just to keep current here on BSD. I don’t know if the returns will be all that good to justify any investment, especially since we’d also have to buy out ED’s contract extension.

by The JuggerNitt on Feb 8, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

If we could increase the wins, but at a loss of $, is that "worth" it?

No, but that’s besides the point. You never hire someone with the design to maintain the status quo and remain net positive in relation to the previous hire—you hire someone to bring in wins, draw interest, and then get people in the seats to increase revenue. It’s this tentative approach to basketball that leaves PSU mired in the lower echelons in spite of a fanbase that would love to support a decent team.

Penn State remains one of the ten highest sports revenue generating universities—this is in spite of the mens basketball program and not in addition to its presence alongside football. Spending an extra $500,000 would allow them to hire all but the most exceptional coaches out there. The Bryce Jordan Center seats 15,000 and regularly gets 8,000 for a game. Bring it to 9,000 per game over a 20 home game season and it takes just $25 a person (including ticket, concessions, souveniers, etc.) to make up that cost. This is a pretty conservative scenario-if football schools like Alabama and Texas A&M can average 9500+ per game then PSU can manage nine thou’.

I don’t for one minute believe the argument concerning the proximity of programs around us makes us less viable. Take a look at Kansas State’s roster. They are in the middle of nowhere, they are a college football-dominated athletic program, they have an extremely limited pool of local players to recruit, and to top it all they are just one hour away from the most imposing basketball program in the Midwest (KU Jayhawks). Still, five of their top eight most productive players are from New York City or Washington, DC. There is no way the argument of local competition can hold up to this. If Kansas State can recruit talent from DC, then Penn State could just as well.

Let’s look at them further. Their record from 1993 to 2005 was comparable to Penn State’s, or even worse. What did they do? They made a big hire in Bob Huggins, who promptly bolted after one year, but he left some great recruiting, then handed the reigns to an untested but now successful coach in Frank Martin. They sit at #9 in the basketball rankings, we sit in last place in the Big Ten. The kids also are out of trouble and remain assets to the community. Does this mean if we make a splashy hire that it will pay off like KSU? Not necessarily, but it’s worth a shot. Get a guy who knows a local recruiting ground like the back of his hand and I’d bet we could get similar results.

But let’s put recruiting, facilities, prestige, and revenue aside for a second. At the end of the day, a good coach can add about 4 points to the final score for their team over a bad coach. A good coach can correspondingly keep the other team from scoring a couple of points. These are generally in things like set plays-particularly coming out of a time out, clock management, and knowing how to massage or abuse the referees. This is ultimately what kills me about DeChellis: the players still heave off-balance shots even after a time out. Their motions look amateurish and don’t lead to high percentage shots. Several players appear to regress over time. His teams sometimes look like they have no idea how to play organized basketball.

There are just too many times when he looks like a bad coach. We shouldn’t reward that with another year, particularly when everything is considered.

by Cairo on Feb 8, 2010 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Am I off-base in saying:

Penn State doesn’t have similar academic standards compared to Kansas State?

"I AM A DIEHARD REDSKINS FAN, CAPS, LEAFS, AND I LOVE WATCHING TENNIS. SO WHATS THE BIG DEAL"

by ReadingRambler on Feb 9, 2010 12:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Fine. Use Notre Dame, or Wisconsin, or Duke as an example.

There are plenty of teams with high academic standards that can compete successfully in basketball. I don’t know the first thing about basketball recruiting visits, but I don’t feel we’re losing any players because other coaches are talking about our academic standards, nor are players choosing not to go here because of them.

Incidentally, according to the NCAA the grad rate for PSU men’s basketball players is 67%. Kansas State’s grad rate is 62%.

by Cairo on Feb 9, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

How much of the diminished graduation rate is due...

to players leaving the program? My suspicion is that it’s a pretty big contributing factor. For years, Penn State’s basketball graduation rate was right around 100, yes 100, percent. I can’t imagine that Ed has let the academics slip that much. But we have had a ton of kids leave the program. It would be interesting to know what effect, if any, that has on those numbers.

Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.

by jesse. on Feb 9, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I fully agree with this:
But let’s put recruiting, facilities, prestige, and revenue aside for a second. At the end of the day, a good coach can add about 4 points to the final score for their team over a bad coach. A good coach can correspondingly keep the other team from scoring a couple of points. These are generally in things like set plays-particularly coming out of a time out, clock management, and knowing how to massage or abuse the referees. This is ultimately what kills me about DeChellis: the players still heave off-balance shots even after a time out. Their motions look amateurish and don’t lead to high percentage shots. Several players appear to regress over time. His teams sometimes look like they have no idea how to play organized basketball.

If I had my way, we would hire a coach who – pardon the horrible cliche – coaches the “right way”. We’re not the school to hire Bob Huggins or Calipari. We need a coach who can start off with a group of moderately talented players, coach the hell out of them (stressing things like “help defense” and “shot selection”, etc), and then see what he can do with good recruits who will be enamored by this “winning” thing. We’re not going to get Bo Ryan or Matt Painter here, but there have to be other dudes out there.

Just my two cents.

"I AM A DIEHARD REDSKINS FAN, CAPS, LEAFS, AND I LOVE WATCHING TENNIS. SO WHATS THE BIG DEAL"

by ReadingRambler on Feb 9, 2010 12:38 AM EST up reply actions  

There is a man right in our backyard who would be perfect

Flannery, the former coach at Bucknell who led them to the upset of Kansas and a top 25 apperance. He know works as a fundraiser for Bucknell. Not sure if he would be interested but I think we should at least contact him

Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face

by psupride on Feb 9, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

And I think he's probably the kinda guy we would look at.

I highly doubt we’re going to spend tons of money on basketball hires, so…

"I AM A DIEHARD REDSKINS FAN, CAPS, LEAFS, AND I LOVE WATCHING TENNIS. SO WHATS THE BIG DEAL"

by ReadingRambler on Feb 9, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess what I was trying to get at

is that I don’t see Penn State willing to pay 2 coaches at the same time (since we extended ED’s contract after his successful season last year) to maybe improve the team to the point where we’d still get beaten on a regular basis in the Big 10.

I do wholeheartedly agree that there is a major problem in the coaching, though. I even saw it last year when we were doing well, in the fact that our set plays sucked, our free throw shooting sucked, and pretty much everything you need as a team sucked other than 2 clutch players sparking great comebacks and buzzer beaters. I can’t believe our players in general are that terrible, and it all comes down to coaching.

With all that said, unless things change significantly, I’m definitely in favor of moving on from ED once his contract expires (or at the earliest after ED has been able to coach Buie for at least a couple years).

by The JuggerNitt on Feb 9, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

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