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Buzzer Beaten

Does it really need a caption anymore? (AP Photo/John Beale)

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Does it really need a caption anymore? (AP Photo/John Beale)

It's hard to question guts after this one.

When the time came, down nine points at times in the second half of Penn State's 66-64 loss to Minnesota at the Bryce Jordan Center Saturday, Penn State's players made plays.  Tim Frazier  tied the ball up for, and Penn State got the ball on the alternate possesion with about 20 seconds left in regulation.  On the ensuing play Jeff Brooks saved a turnover, and found Talor Battle for the tying basketball with about 10 seconds left. 

Penn State made, tough, gutty plays down the stretch...but Minnesota made one more.

The Gophers' Lawerence Westbrook nailed a buzzer beating field goal, sending Penn State to it's 11th consecutive Big Ten loss, and worst conference start ever.

But this loss wasn't a result of lack of talent, nor was it the result of lack of heart.  It was the result of the other team making a play.  Tip your cap to Minnesota, and move on.  The Nittany Lions now have a week to prepare for Michigan State, and in case you've forgotten, Penn State beat Sparty and Co. last year on Super Bowl Sunday after having a week to prepare... 

Star-divide

The Good

Attendance for the day was listed at 10,291.  There almost certainly were not that many fans in attendance, but for the most part, people made their way to the game on a day when 14 inches of snow in the State College area presented them with a perfectly acceptable reason not to.  So kudos to the fans.   But even more credit is due to the snow removal crews on campus who had at least the East portion clear and passable by mid-morning.  This is the second time in four months that a Minnesota visit to Penn State has been preceded by a  freakish snowstorm, the first being the football Homecoming weekend snow storm in mid-October(!?!?) that closed many of the grass lots near Beaver Stadium.  Admirably, Penn State fans have found ways to get to the games anyway, so We Are, etc.

David Jackson has, no doubt, emerged as the second best player on the team.  His 18 points and six rebounds kept the Lions in the game as it threatened to slip away from them at several points in the second half.  Perhaps most notably, though, was his 8-8 effort at the free throw line.  On a day when the rest of the team shot 5-11 from the stripe, Jackson kept things from being a total embarrassment in that department.

Tim Frazier had an efficient seven points, two assists, and two rebounds in about 20 minutes if floor time.  He also caused a crucial tied ball in the final seconds to give Penn State a chance to tie the game before the LawerencevWestbrook bomb.  With Bill Edwards missing, it was good to see Frazier, a fellow freshman, step up for Penn State.

The Bad

I've never been one to complain about officials.  But the tight officiating in the second half led to an unnecessary stalling of the action, and made it very difficult for Penn State to make up and ground on the Gophers.  It was almost like a tennis match.  Penn State didn't hold serve on enough offensive possessions, and Minnesota was able to milk the lead by shooting a lot of free throws on calls that probably shouldn't have been made.

The free throw shooting outside of DJ Jackson was deplorable.  Battle seems to get worse at shooting free throws as the season goes along, hitting only 3-7 today.  65% doesn't cut it no matter who you're playing, and the fact that Penn State so consistently struggles with free throws should be one of the most disappointing aspects of this team for the coaching staff

The Ugly

Losing on a buzzer beater is deflating period.  Losing on a buzzer beater when you're 0-11 is the stuff meltdowns are made of.  The long terms phychological impacts of this loss will likely carry through to the end of the season, especially the longer the Nits go without winning.  

The throw back uniforms.  Begin debate.


 

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You're serious? You have a midweek bye?

That will be the third game out of four for MSU where the opponent had a full week to prepare.

by SpartanDan on Feb 7, 2010 12:39 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

awe we feel so bad for you...

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Feb 7, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't want to come off as a jerk on the last one

too presumptuous. I really do want the team to win. But…

by Mr. Rosewater on Feb 7, 2010 1:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you're not coming off as a jerk

We’re 0-11 in conference play. It’s been a wretched season. Even when this team plays well enough to win we don’t. The least we can do is have a sense of humor about it, and what’s less threatening then the Peanuts cartoons?

+1

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Feb 7, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

so fitting for this team

sad too. Wonder if Lucas is back for sparty

by BMAN13 on Feb 7, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Does it really matter

at this point…there is nothing to be salvaged from this season and when I joke about taking drugs, it may not be a bad thing …at this point.

by DerryPharmer on Feb 7, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe there isn't

anything left to get from this season.But Id rather have those guys go out and play their butts off rather than tell them it doesn’t matter they didn’t need to try hard. You can always play for your pride

by Flyersman on Feb 7, 2010 10:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

What are the odds

We don’t win a single game until the B10 tourney, and then we win out and go to the big dance? I’m serious, 1:1,000,000? KEEP HOPE ALIVE.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Feb 7, 2010 1:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

dont stop beleiving

Never insult seven men when all you have is a six shooter --COL Sherman T Potter

by psu in the w-b on Feb 7, 2010 10:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The officiating all game was deplorable

In the 1st half, Minnesota was racking up fouls left and right (5 by the 12 minute mark in the first half). Anyone want to take a guess as to how many they had with 10 seconds left in the first half?

Five.

The refs just completely stopped calling fouls on Minnesota, even when they were egregious. They saved a little in my eyes when they gave Tubby the technical (though I feel as long as he was allowed to go on it should have been a double technical).

Once, a Minnesota player CLEARLY had his foot on the 3 point line, but they gave him a three anyway.

And we weren’t perfect either. It was a really weird game where they decided to randomly call it really tight or really loose and no one really knew when that would be. Jeff Brooks had 2 fouls where he didn’t even touch the guy he fouled.

Still, make the 5 missed free throws and we win the game (probably). sigh

Sorry I didn’t get us the win I promised… but I was moody the rest of the day… does that count as my repayment?

by AdamShell on Feb 7, 2010 2:43 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Consitancy

That’s all I ask for. If you want to call thought fouls, fine. If you wanna swalow the whistle, that’s fine too. But yeah, those guys weren’t consistant in the least,

God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...

by fugimaster24 on Feb 7, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Excuses

aside, sometimes there are seasons and there are seasons….this is one of them.

by DerryPharmer on Feb 7, 2010 3:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Perfect Post Picture

I love the picture of Ed with his face buried in his hands.
Boy, karma is quite a bitch for Ed and Curley.

Take the 4 years remaining on your contract, your eventual 0-16 Big Ten record, and go find a job somewhere else. You may have to backtrack all the way to the Penn State Beaver campus, you boy Curley can hook you up again, because not even the Atlantic Sun will want you back.

by NittanyBadger on Feb 7, 2010 3:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Give it a rest chief

How is “karma” getting Ed? What did he do morally wrong? I don’t understand. Your statements suggest he’s a douche, which he most definitely is not, so do me a favor and just shut up. We get it. You don’t like Ed. You’ve made your point. The rest of us are done talking about it, so please, give it a rest. No one cares.

God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...

by fugimaster24 on Feb 7, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, pardon me

I wasn’t aware fugimaster24 was responsible for deciding which statements are allowed to made on the internet.

We get it. You’re too naive to realize the program needs significant change. You’re too in the dark to understand the sin behind DeChellis’ hiring. But give it a rest, every pro-DeChellis stance only becomes more foolish with every subsequent game. No one cares.

by NittanyBadger on Feb 7, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Choose your own misadventure.

Let’s look at this rationally. How much does Penn State really care about winning basketball games? They refused to put any money into the program for years, at least until Ed begged them to give a quarter of a damn. After last season, Ed’s contract was extended through 2014. You can argue over whether that was a good idea, but you can’t change the fact that it happened. Firing Ed means buying Ed out — probably not at the full salary, but a significant chunk of it. Ed gets between 500k and 600k (so really, if the guy does get fired, let’s not feel too bad for him). So let’s go conservative and say that a buyout would have to be around $1.25M.

So we’re out $1.25M and have no basketball coach. Now, find another one, Curley! What do you think he’ll do? Go find the fabled “big name coach” that people always clamor for? Not bloody likely. Those cost money. More money than Joe Paterno gets — and I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s actually a factor under consideration here. I hate to break it to you folks, but Big Name Coach ain’t coming to State College.

What’s left? Hiring another mid-major guy and hoping that he is okay with (1) minimal institutional support, (2) taking over the 10th or 11th best roster in a tough league, (3) competing with Pitt, the Philly schools, and the elite programs who occasionally come into Philly and poach the best of the best recruits. Oh, and (4) building the trust of a fanbase from zilch, (5) being in the constant shadow of the football program, and (6) being strictly forbidden to take any recruiting shortcuts in a sport that is even shadier than football when it comes to recruiting shortcuts. And that’s all before you consider the possibility that PSU will try to hire another guy with PSU ties, which of course is stupid considering our awful basketball history, but would not be a remotely surprising move by any means.

Really, the frustration shouldn’t even be with the losing as much as the lack of a clear, best option. It’s easy to say FIRE ED. Believe me, I know. But there are a lot of other factors in play here, mostly financial, partially ethical. A season like this wouldn’t be tolerated at 95% of other schools, but Penn State isn’t like a lot of other places (in both bad and good ways).

I don’t think Ed will be gone unless the team really embarrasses itself down the stretch — not just losing (which, yes, is embarrassing) but completely throwing in the towel, which they haven’t done yet.

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"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee

by Run Up The Score on Feb 7, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

couldnt have said it better.

THIS is the best explanation of the conundrum that is psu basketball. Ed is a stand up guy so far. This is the double edged sword of sucess with honor, There are going to be times that honor and running a straight prgram is reward alone.

Never insult seven men when all you have is a six shooter --COL Sherman T Potter

by psu in the w-b on Feb 7, 2010 10:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm gonna copy and paste this into every "Fire Ed" post from here until the day next basketball season starts.

God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...

by fugimaster24 on Feb 7, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not doing this to defend Ed, by the way.

Not even a little bit. At a school that gives a crap about performance, he’d be fired the minute the season’s over, if not sooner. The truth of the matter is, Penn State really doesn’t care all that much about men’s basketball. It’s nice when they win, but that’s it.

That said, if you’re the type of PSU fan that is going to rant and rave like a loon after every loss, saying things like UNACCEPTABLE! and FIRE ED NOW!, you’d be doing all of us (and yourself) a much bigger service by STFU and purchasing a block of Powerball tickets, hitting the jackpot, and donating $5M to PSU for the express purpose of buying a new basketball coach.

Twitter: @scrappled
scrappled.com

"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee

by Run Up The Score on Feb 8, 2010 9:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No I hear you

My only point is that when you look at the types of guys we’d hire if Ed was fired, they probably wouldn’t be that much better, so why break what little momentum Ed has in recruiting?

God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...

by fugimaster24 on Feb 8, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You are everything that is bad about the internet.

"I AM A DIEHARD REDSKINS FAN, CAPS, LEAFS, AND I LOVE WATCHING TENNIS. SO WHATS THE BIG DEAL"

by ReadingRambler on Feb 7, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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