It's Time
There have been a lot of good and bad things said about the Penn State basketball program in the past year. There are those who believe the program is heading in the right direction, pointing to the the 2009 NIT as a reason to hold onto hope despite an 11-20 2010. There are those that believe Penn State is doomed to an eternity of mediocrity as it is presently constructed from the coaches to the players.
Both camps have been trading barbs for months now, but there's one thing all sides can agree on.
When the horn sounded at the end of Penn State's 76-55 loss to Minnesota Thursday in the first round of the Big Ten Tournament in Indianapolis, so began the Nittany Lions' put up or shut up 2011 basketball season.
Was the 2009 team a little lucky? Yes. Was the 2010 team unlucky? Yes. But now it's time for the players and coaches to make sure that the 2011 season is exactly what they want it to be: an NCAA Tournament appearance.
Penn State came out of the gates in its typical sluggish fashion. The Lions fell down by double digits early, but managed to rebound, and cut the deficit to nine by halftime. At that point, it felt like the average Penn State basketball evening was on our hands. The Lions would hang around, hang around, and then have their hearts torn out at the end of the game.
But the Golden Gophers came out of the locker room and blew the doors off Penn State in the second half, shooting 69% from the field, and burying the Lions before they ever had a chance to continue the rally.
The Good
The 2010 basketball season is over. All the heartbreaking losses now go from the resume onto the weight room bulletin board. All the bad things that have been said about the team are all past tense. It's a new day. Of course, this is all pretty cliche stuff to say, but it applies here. Penn State basketball is better than the 2010 basketball season, and no one knows that better than the players and coaches in the locker room. It's now their job to forget the late losses and Thursday's beat down and move onto 2011 as soon as the plane lands in State College.
If we're talking positives, the Lions out rebounded a bigger Gopher team Thursday but...Minnesota shot 58% so it's not as if there were a whole lot coming out of the air to grab. Four Lions finished in double figures, continuing the trend of balanced scoring that's been seen over the last couple of weeks, and Penn State shot a solid 15-18 (83%) from the line.
The Bad
The effort this team has shown over the last couple of weeks wasn't there Thursday. The energy was zapped. It looked like a team ready to head into the off season. While you can't really blame them for hanging their heads at this point, it's still disappointing that the players went out this way after fighting much better teams than Minnesota hard all season.
DeChellis played his freshman as much as he has all season early on in what was Penn State's biggest game in months. Penn State probably wasn't going to win the Big Ten Tournament, but the substitution patterns suggested that was never the goal any way. I can understand giving young players time, but not when there's a prize on the line, no matter how distant it appears to be.
Penn State's 14 turnovers didn't help either. While there have been a lot of places Penn State has grown since starting 0-12, this is one of the things that has gotten worse. The Lions became more and more careless with the ball as the season progressed, and that's a problem that definitely needs to be rectified by the time next fall rolls around.
The Ugly
Give credit to Minnesota, but 58% shooting and 69% in the second half shouldn't happen. In a season chalk full of them, Thursday was Penn State's roughest defensive performance of the year. Sometimes you run into a hot shooting team, but that's a little excessive.
Penn State's 4/16 performance from beyond the arc was tough to swallow as well. This is an element of the Lions' game that has really progressed since the early part of the year, and going out on such a sour note is disappointing to say the least. Over the summer, every guard including Talor Battle needs to work on this to open up Penn State's weak front court for some easy shots by offering a threat from three-point territory.
Next Up
The Blue-White game. The one in November, not April. Stay tuned, it's usually part of a big football weekend. Also, look for some end-of-the-year stuff in the coming days.
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We never ended up getting that "signature win" that you could build off of for the offseason
Beating NW twice and Michigan is OK, but our best “wins” were close losses to some of the top teams in the league. I’m optimistic for next season, but I don’t know if I should believe that the players like Brooks, Jones, etc. will be improved, or if that’s all we can get from them…some good flashes, but not enough consistency. I’m not as worried about the young guys, I think Frazier and Edwards will be good players. But our season will VERY MUCH depend on guys like Brooks and Jones progressing, not being benched by mid-season. I hope they remember the effort it took in the 2nd half of the season to get their starting jobs back and play like that every game next year.
by mundyscorner99 on Mar 11, 2010 11:01 PM EST reply actions
Who are we kidding
Is next years team really going to go from 11th place to 4th or 5fh place to secure an NCAA bid? Until the Administration gets serious about basketball (and we all know the answer to that) expect another year of .500 or below play in Big Ten where we have been the 11th seed 5 out of the last 15 years. Once Tim Curley is gone then I will expect change from the basketball program.
by Slawsc on Mar 11, 2010 11:41 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I second this emotion.
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by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Mar 12, 2010 7:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
thirded or nepa is a couple two treed
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by psu in the w-b on Mar 12, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
Get Real
Nothing changes until we get a coach who can recruit-PERIOD. That’s life in college basketball. Who would you rather be have Penn State’s incoming class or Duke’s or Pitt or Temple for that matter? Battle had no game winning shots this year and the rest of the team treated the ball at the end of the game like it was a time bomb ready to go off. Unfortunately there is nothing to indicate that other than Battle that any thing will change. I won’t be renewing my season tickets for the first time in 10 years.
I completely understand you points
But Penn State basketball has always been bad. I’m just not sure why this season was the final straw…
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
What points?
Ed can’t recruit? What, are you kidding me? Battle, Buie, Edwards, Claxton, Alexis, Trey Burke, Sasa, do these guys all suck or what?
And I mean, some of the other players even seemed to progress somewhat as the year went on.
"Based on my estimates, it appears that Stanzi shall transcend the ages." - Cairo
by ReadingRambler on Mar 12, 2010 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry we haven't recruited Derrick Rose yet.
We’re not going to get floods of blue chip recruits until we get decent enough recruits to build something. And going by our last few classes, that seems to be what Ed’s doing.
"Based on my estimates, it appears that Stanzi shall transcend the ages." - Cairo
by ReadingRambler on Mar 12, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
YEAH!
Let’s get Mark Few. If he says no, let’s lure Dixon away from Pitt. If that doesn’t work, Jay Wright will surely want to leave Nova.
No, you want young up-and-comers? How about Bennet from St. Mary’s? I’m sure PSU is a huge step up from that crap job in the WCC. Brad Stevens needs to leave Butler too and come to a big school in the B10 if he ever wants to accomplish anything with his life.
How about Pitino Jr, he’s supposed to be the next big thing, and I’m sure he would love to start at Penn State.
Dixon...
there are rumors he is not happy at Pitt. Folks on a G’Town blog were briefly discussing it yesterday.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
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by Esteban d' Amur on Mar 12, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
I find this hard to believe.
But either way, he’s not coming to PSU.
"Based on my estimates, it appears that Stanzi shall transcend the ages." - Cairo
by ReadingRambler on Mar 12, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Of course he's not...
I find it a bit unbelievable myself. They have a great new gym.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
All normal people love meat. If I went to a barbeque and there was no meat, I would say 'Yo Goober! Where's the meat?' - HJS
by Esteban d' Amur on Mar 12, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Is this too tall of a mountain?
There’s very little overlap between elite college BBall and elite college football, at least for all-time wins. Can you be both big time football and big-time basketball, consistently?
B-Ball:
http://basketball.about.com/od/recordbook/a/most-wins.htm
Top 10: Kent., NC, Kan, Duke, Syr, Temple, St. Johns, UCLA, Penn, ND.
Football:
http://collegefootball.about.com/od/schools/a/schools-wins.htm
Top 10: Mich, Tex, ND, Neb, tOSU, Ala, PSU, Okla, Tenn, USC.
Landscape is changing
Teams like Texas and Oklahoma usually trot out good teams in each sports, but a lot of Athletic Directors from schools like PSU, Kansas, UCLA, Duke, UNC, Kentucky, endless etc, seem to focus more on one sport where they know they will make money, and focus far less on the other.
Becoming convinced that we'll have the same problems next year.
Nobody in the low post to provide either an offensive or defensive presence. Too many guards, not enough minutes. Awful free throw performance. Poor defense — no blocks, steals, or turnovers generated.
I don’t see how bringing back all/most of the same guys and adding Taran Buie helps any of this. It would be one thing if there was low post help on the way, but it’s not.
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by Run Up The Score on Mar 12, 2010 11:40 AM EST reply actions
This has been my concern all along.
This same roster is not suddenly going to win a dozen more games just because all the kids are a year older. There are major problems with this rotation of players, and I think all the people expecting Taran Buie to be some sort of savior are a bit deluded. Successful teams have a strong low post presence (great teams have more than one). Penn State has zero, which is a combined recruiting and development issue. That falls on the plate of the head coach and is a big part of the reason why I think DeChellis should lose his job.
2010-2011 is probably going to look a lot more like 2009-2010 than 2008-2009 as far as the total wins and conference record are concerned… year 8 of DeChellis failing to deliver an NCAA tournament berth.
If that's the case
He’ll be fired. It’s pretty simple, this is his last year maybe.
I agree with this
PSU will be bringing back players with more experience, but so will the other teams in the league. In the best case scenario, where do you see this team being slotted in the Big 10 standings next year? I’m confident in saying that MSU, Wiscy, Ohio St, and Purdue will all be the class of the league. I think we can be in the next tier with Illinois, Minnesota, and NW (with Coble coming back), but Minnesota showed that there is a talent and size difference between us and them. It would be hard for me to believe that we would be much more than 7th or 8th in the league next year at best, which would get you fringe NCAA consideration but likely another NIT bid.
by mundyscorner99 on Mar 12, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Slotting teams is useless
No one had Ohio State winning the league and Michigan going in the tank. No one had Syracuse and Pitt finishing 1-2 in the Big East.
But if I had to I’d put Michigan State on the top line. Assuming Kalin Lucas stays, which I believe he will, they’re probably the team losing the least.
Purdue would be next, losing Keat Grant and Chris Kramer. Solid players, but replaceable with some of the guys on that roster.
From there, I have no idea. Ohio State without Turner lost a lot of games early on, and will be running with a cast that finished 10-8 last year (WITH Turner). Wisconsin is losing a lot in Hughes, Illinois could lose McCamey, Michigan’s talent will be raw, and I still don’t think Minnesota is very good.
I think I said this last night, but I’ll say it again: what we do against Minnesota, Ohio State, and Illinois is going to determine where we go next year, and I think we can reasonably say we can beat all three of them right now, before they’ve even lost anything.
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by Adam Bittner on Mar 12, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
We gave up huge leads against Wisconsin and Michigan, choked against Illinois twice, couldn't close the deal against IU, and so forth and so on.
Most of those losses were due to turnovers, guys playing with no confidence, and poor rotation and transition defense. Frankly, I don’t think we’re going to have exactly the same problems and I really don’t think we’re going to lose 15 games again.
"Based on my estimates, it appears that Stanzi shall transcend the ages." - Cairo
by ReadingRambler on Mar 12, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
What I should say is: I don't think the problems will be as severe.
And I still believe Andrew Jones can be a decent post player. Did we not out rebound Minnesota?
"Based on my estimates, it appears that Stanzi shall transcend the ages." - Cairo
by ReadingRambler on Mar 12, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, because all of their baskets were going in
by mundyscorner99 on Mar 12, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Except that's not true. It's an exaggeration. We still out rebounded them.
It’s just that Penn State had no intensity last night, leading to no effort on the perimeter.
"Based on my estimates, it appears that Stanzi shall transcend the ages." - Cairo
by ReadingRambler on Mar 12, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
didn't they shoot something like 68% in the 2nd half or something like that
yes it is a SLIGHT exaggeration. only slight.
by mundyscorner99 on Mar 12, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
Um. Sure.
"Based on my estimates, it appears that Stanzi shall transcend the ages." - Cairo
by ReadingRambler on Mar 12, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
minnesota played like the better team
i give them credit.
by mundyscorner99 on Mar 12, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
The fact is, Penn State somehow rebounded really well this year.
The only teams that really beat us up on the glass were MSU and maybe OSU.
"Based on my estimates, it appears that Stanzi shall transcend the ages." - Cairo
by ReadingRambler on Mar 12, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
I think you nailed it
Most of those losses were due to turnovers, guys playing with no confidence, and poor rotation and transition defense.
A LOT of losses that were tough, close games. Doesn’t that say that the talent level is there to hang with the rest most of the conference? You combine player inexperience with the psychological toll that those kinds of losses take on your players and I think we have seen the results. A more experienced team doesn’t make the mental mistakes that turn a victory into a tough loss AND is more capable of putting a tough loss behind them and look ahead to the next game, knowing that there’s always going to be a tough loss.
I think a key to next year isn’t so much what we get out of the young guys (other than more playing time), but how much contribution we can get out of Jones and Jackson . . .right out of the chute, rather than “as the season develops”. I expected a little more out of these two this year.
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there's no way to actually predict where we will finish next year
my point is that all of these other teams will have another year under their belt too and i don’t see how we can be much more than a fringe ncaa tourney team, middle of the pack B10 team at best. How Brooks, Jones, and Jackson play next year will determine the season, because I feel we are Ok on the outside.
by mundyscorner99 on Mar 12, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not so depressed about our post players.
Really. I think they got better over the course of the season.
"Based on my estimates, it appears that Stanzi shall transcend the ages." - Cairo
by ReadingRambler on Mar 12, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
The question will be
can the post players play well for a full season? Or will we have to wait until February before they get their crap together?
"I did my walk of shame this morning and everyone was so much nicer," she said. "People were inviting me to parties at 9 a.m."
I dunno.
I’ve said before that I think the “leadership” knock on Battle is silly, but he’ll be a senior and he has to take responsibility like Cornley demanded of him.
"Based on my estimates, it appears that Stanzi shall transcend the ages." - Cairo
by ReadingRambler on Mar 12, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, this is nothing on Battle
and everything on how Brooks and especially Jones have shown signs of life in late months, but nothing in the first 75% of the season.
"I did my walk of shame this morning and everyone was so much nicer," she said. "People were inviting me to parties at 9 a.m."
Michigan is doing what we should be doing
Chance for an upset
Wow
Michigan takes the lead with 2 seconds left. Way to draw up a good play coach Dunn.
by mundyscorner99 on Mar 12, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Manny Harris
Decided to show up so far this tournament.
Annnd
Turner wins National Player of the year.
If there was ever a play that clinched up an individual award
that was it.
"I did my walk of shame this morning and everyone was so much nicer," she said. "People were inviting me to parties at 9 a.m."
You cannot convince me Ohio State wouldn't have the exact same record if they didn't have a coach.
That’s how good he is.
"Based on my estimates, it appears that Stanzi shall transcend the ages." - Cairo
by ReadingRambler on Mar 12, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know what's going on
But the mgoblog liveblog went from YES YES YES to FML very quickly.
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by Run Up The Score on Mar 12, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
Turner hit about 40 ft shot at the buzzer
They are checking the replay. I think it should count.
by mundyscorner99 on Mar 12, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
It's good
I know you aren’t supposed to foul, but that was the softest defense ever. You shouldn’t get that shot with 2.1 seconds left.
by mundyscorner99 on Mar 12, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Poor suckers at Michigan
After that Harris play were day-dreaming for a stolen bid.
You suck.
"Based on my estimates, it appears that Stanzi shall transcend the ages." - Cairo
by ReadingRambler on Mar 14, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, and I'm sure OSU would be doing awesome without their best player.
Actually, no, they’d be 11-7 in conference play.
"Based on my estimates, it appears that Stanzi shall transcend the ages." - Cairo
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