Big Ten Expansion -- Is Hockey a consideration?
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"Justin" posted some alleged insider info on Big Ten Expansion over on Frank the Tank's blog. In summary, he claims the Big ten will be expanding to 14 and the three institutions to receive invitations will be Notre Dame, Boston College and Rutgers. This is a major push east to capture the New Jersey, New York, and Boston markets. The idea is that adding BC will soften the transition for Notre Dame and establish a Catholic/Private ally within the CIC. In addition, this sort of expansion will add off-season value to the Big Ten Network by creating a top-tier hockey conference tied to the Big Ten brand.
Insider info or not, let's treat this as just another proposed expansion scenario. It would add two members of JoePa's much ballyhoo'd Eastern Conference, though both programs are small by Big Ten standards. The academics of the catholic schools are not poor, but definitely less focus on graduate programs and research compared to current Big Ten members. Rutgers is respectable, but behind schools like Pitt on graduate/research money. The proposal is certainly less seismic than Texas and A&M joining or giant 18 team conferences, but it's still stealing a team from the ACC and 1.5 teams from the Big East, so there would be some fallout.
- Is this a positive move academically?
- Is this a positive move for Football?
- Is this a positive move for Basketball?
- Is this a positive move for the conference image?
- Is this a positive move for Hockey?
- For the sport, for the Big Ten, or for Penn State?
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Not significant enough...
I don’t see why adding BC, Rutgers and 523,127,423 other schools to create whatever super-uber “conference” that keeps getting talked about, helps ND with their independence issue. I have a hard time believing that ND is waiting for another school of the cloth to join up with. The barrier is the whole independence issue.
As far as a B10 hockey conference, ND joining would increase the possibility of that happening from about 1.8% to 2.4%, at least in the foreseeable future.
There are not presently enough teams for the B10 to create their own conference. There are 6 teams including ND. The colossal upheaval that will be unleashed if/when the B10 hockey comes about is too dangerous to the rest of college hockey to create a 6 team conference. It’s not worth the B10 looking like that big of a bully. That would essentially amount to taking Florida and Alabama out of the SEC, osu, mich, PSU and ND out of the Big 10 and forcing the rest of the former conference teams to fend for themselves. Again, it’s not worth the B10 looking like that big of a bully.
The B10 can do their best to jockey with other conferences for things like bowl tie ins and TV contracts because there are other conferences that can compete (SEC, PAC-10) In college hockey there would be no other conference in the same tier as the B10 hockey conference would be.
Now, in the future it may not be so risky for the whole of college hockey for the B10 to form their own conference. Next season the WCHA will add 2 teams from another conference that has imploded. That’s right entire college hockey conferences can and have imploded. The addition of these two teams into an already strong conference will cushion the WCHA against the flight of Wisconsin and Minnesota should there be a B10 conference eventually. The conference would loose revenue, but it would survive. I am not so sure about the CCHA who would loose Mich, OSU and Mich state. Those might be harder to recover from.
I don't like it
I have a hard time believing Rutgers and BC are going to make NY and NE care about college sports.
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Apparently a Big Ten Hockey League was discussed last summer
…before all of this expansion business began.
Madison.com Article
Interesting...
I hadn’t heard that it was discussed at a semi-official level. It’s been bandied about casually, interesting to hear about Wisconsin.
To answer the other questions (for me at least)
Maybe good for academics, I’m not sure. I don’t think it would be bad.
For the other three questions I’m just going to lump them all into one answer beacuse they all have the same dynamic. No! 14 teams is not a conference, its a mini league with two mini conferences. 12 teams already makes it too easy to think of the conference as halves, think B12 North vs B12 South. If a student does not see every team in their schools “conference” play in their own stadium that is a shame.
Hockey does not factor at all.
Why not? Because 6 current Big Ten members don’t even field teams (please hold comments regarding the ‘Icers’). Even if the league were to add 3 schools with teams, we’re still talking about a sport that would not be played on the NCAA level by just under half of the league’s schools. Baseball is a Big Ten backwater and yet only Wisconsin doesn’t field a squad. Hockey has a rabid following at 4 of the 5 BT schools that do have NCAA teams, but it’s not going to factor into such a monumental decision.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
I thought this seemed crazy
but maybe you’re crazy like a fox.
College hockey is far from being put on espn outside of the frozen four, but there is a lot to like about the sport, and the folks in Michigan and Minny love it. I think it would be a big adddition to the regular programming on the btn.
If ND joins, there is a chance to make a play for the NY/NE markets…This is a rational idea, and just as far-fetched as adding TX…
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by chicken cosmo on Mar 23, 2010 11:49 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Club Teams
Illinois and Penn State have club teams.
Rutgers also has an off-campus club as well as other expansion candidates Pitt, Maryland, and Syracuse.
I think all of the non-NCAA Big Ten teams have club teams
but only Illinois and Penn State have programs that are actually regularly successful enough to even think about a jump to the NCAA level. The rest are ACHA-D2, which for the most part is a huge drop off in ability. Penn State Berks is likely much farther along in terms of talent than the ACHA-D2 teams.
None of the other 4 teams you mentioned (Rutgers, Pitt, Maryland, ‘Cuse) are capable teams at this time, and look to be years away from actually being mildly competitive. At this point, there are very few club teams out there that could make the jump to the NCAA and not have the program collapse within a few years. I’d focus more on teams that are already in the NCAA.
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I can't speak for all of the Big Ten club teams, but I know Iowa plays at the Coralville Mall.
Which is kinda sad, kinda hillarious.
I am Kyle McCann't's dad.
by ReadingRambler on Mar 25, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Mostly just sad.
But at least it gives something for the people waiting in line for the theater to watch.
My dentist once fixed Russ Millard's tooth at 1 in the morning.
by Kyle McCann't on Mar 26, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
The Penguins practice at a bar.
Literally. You can go watch.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
Love me some Jay's.
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