What is a "consistent NCAA tournament team"?
I’ll preface this by saying that I have no particular allegiance to the Penn State basketball team. I am not an alum, nor are any close friends or family. I’m a huge Penn State Football fan primarily because of the way I completely and unequivocally respect how JoePa runs his organization with "The Great Experiment" and could never imagine cheering for another team over PSU. It also didn’t hurt that growing up in Philadelphia, the ’87 Fiesta Bowl was the first national championship for any "home team" that I can remember, and that it came over a team that my father vehemently hated. But while I am a college hoops fan, due to a variety of reasons my allegiances lay elsewhere. That being said, I have an outsider’s curiosity as to the current mindset of PSU basketball fans. From what I gather from this site, the majority of you feel that men’s hoops will only gain a respectable following (from students, alums, etc) if they become a regular NCAA tournament team, as indicated by this poll http://www.blackshoediaries.com/2010/3/16/1376075/who-cares-penn-state-basketball. My question to all of you then, is what is a consistent NCAA team? 50% of the time? 75% of the time? 90% of the time? No team makes it 100% of the time. Arizona had its consecutive NCAA tournament appearance record broken this year. Additionally, perennial powerhouse teams that many would consider to be consistent national championship contenders (UNC, UCLA) also didn’t make the cut this year. Kentucky missed out last year, etc. I’ve compiled a list of 15 well known schools below, showing how many NCAA tournament appearances they’ve had over the last 25, 10, and 5 years including this year. Some of these schools are powerhouse teams that contend for national championships and Final Fours multiple times a decade (ie Kansas), some are historically strong schools but are are on a down turn currently (ie Indiana), some are (like Penn State) primarily considered football schools (ie Georgia), and others are just what I would consider good but not great programs (ie Memphis). Please note that I’ve only considered NCAA tournament appearances, not how each team fared in the tourney. So Florida’s back to back national championships don’t count any more than Stanford’s 2 appearances over the last 5 years. Also, vacated appearances (ie Memphis, 2008) don’t count. Back to my question: what makes a "consistent NCAA team"? What team will Penn State have to emulate to attract the masses to games?
Team 25 year 10 year 5 year
Kansas 24 (96%) 10 (100%) 5 (100%)
UNC 22 (88%) 7 (70%) 4 (80%)
Kentucky 21 (84%) 9 (90%) 4 (80%)
Indiana 21 (84%) 6 (60%) 3 (60%)
Illinois 19 (76%) 8 (80%) 3 (60%)
Florida 15 (60%) 8 (80%) 3 (60%)
Ohio State 8 (32%) 4 (40%) 4 (80%)
Georgia 7 (28%) 2 (20%) 1 (20%)
LSU 13 (52%) 4 (40%) 2 (40%)
Memphis 12 (48%) 5 (50%) 3 (60%)
Villanova 14 (56%) 6 (60%) 5 (100%)
Pitt 15 (60%) 9 (90%) 5 (100%)
Stanford 15 (60%) 6 (60%) 2 (40%)
Maryland 16 (64%) 7 (70%) 3 (60%)
Texas 20 (80%) 10 (100%) 5 (100%)
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I would love to be in Wisconsin's postition.
I think we’d get a decent following if we hired a coach who never missed the tournament over a 10 year span and even got a seed as high as a 2.
"Based on my estimates, it appears that Stanzi shall transcend the ages." - Cairo
While you're probably right
I think if PSU made it half the times in a decade there would be a lot more interest.
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
by psuphiman80 on Mar 19, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
6 appearances in 10 years
guarantees at least 1 run of back-to-back appearances. should get my juices flowing
"They stalk their prey to within two or three great leaps and then launch a lightning-fast charge, striking their prey. Victims are most often killed by suffocation with a prolonged bite..."--Hinterland Who's Who
I hadn't thought of it in those terms,
but you’re absolutely right. Hell, I’d settle for the 13/25 option.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Mar 19, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Rec'd
…just for the Spinal Tap reference.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
I might have voted seriously if that wasn't there
"I did my walk of shame this morning and everyone was so much nicer," she said. "People were inviting me to parties at 9 a.m."
less than 5
Let’s add PSU’s numbers over 25, 10, and 5 years:
Penn State 3 (12%) 1 (10%) 0 (0%)
If they made an NCAA appearance every three years for 25 years that would be a massive improvement and would represent consistency as a mid-level Big Ten team. I’m comfortable with that.
I don't even know if making the NCAA is neccessary
I’d be happy if we were a consistent bubble team.
Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face
once every three years is good enough for me
the test should be that you expect to be in the mix every year, but not necessarily go.
gone but not forgotten
by chicken cosmo on Mar 22, 2010 4:04 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I'm going to rec you everytime you post.
Mmm, chicken cosmo.
"Based on my estimates, it appears that Stanzi shall transcend the ages." - Cairo
by ReadingRambler on Mar 22, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm in the every 3-4 years on average
so that would probably fall under the “3 times a decade” number that isn’t up there. Anything more than that is obviously good, but to get interest in the program that’s where it would have to start.
Of course, this is all a slippery slope, and as soon as we start making it every 3 years, people will be complaining and saying we should be making it every other year, then every year, but for now, 3 times in a decade would be good.

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