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The State of Penn State Basketball

In some of the darkest days of our republic, when the Articles of Confederation had failed as America's first constitution and the Founding Fathers were trying to figure out how to keep the country together, future president George Washington sat in the chair you see below while presiding over the Constitutional Convention.

After months of hardship, the new Constitution was signed on September 17, 1787.  On that day, James Madison tells us that Ben Franklin said of the chair, "I have often looked at that picture behind the president without being able to tell whether it was a rising or setting sun. Now at length I have the happiness to know that it is indeed a rising, not a setting sun."

http://www.ushistory.org/more/images/rising-sun-chair.jpg

Today, Penn State basketball fans are Ben Franklin, trying to figure out whether the departures of Chris Babb, Bill Edwards, Adam Highberger, and Andrew Ott are part of the problem with the Penn State basketball program, or part of the solution.

Star-divide

There are those that will say Saturday's news is a sign that coach Ed DeChellis has lost the program.  After seven years, DeChellishas not only failed to produce an NCAA Tournament appearance, but he's lost the faith of the very players who he was counting on to help turn things around in 2011 and beyond.  With most of the prospects in the class of 2010 already signed, DeChellis is going to be scraping the bottom of the recruiting barrel to fill the four newly vacated scholarships for 2011 before he even begins to think about replacing one of the best (albeit underachieving) senior classes the program has seen in recent years heading into 2012.  Worst of all, prized recruit Taran Buie is rumored to be unhappy, and he's the one person Penn State basketball can't afford to have upset.

Then there are those who will look at the situation and still doubt things are as bad as others might think. Both Highberger and Ott are graduating and likely have little future in basketball after college.  Their departures probably have more to do with a desire to move on in their professional lives rather than dissatisfaction with the program.  Babb was a streaky three point shooter who can be easily replaced at the starting two spot by an improved Tim Frazier and/or an emerging Buie.  And while Edwards was a young player with a lot of promise, he likely would have remained in a bench role in 2011 behind David Jackson and Jeff Brooks, and his loss could be mitigated by a junior college transfer with more experience and polish who'd be better suited to help Penn State in 2011 than the will-be sophomore Edwards.

The truth of the matter is that at this moment, Penn State is a lot worse off than it was a little over a week ago when it ended an 11-20 2010 with a loss to Minnesota in the Big Ten Tournament.  Short term, Penn State severely lacks depth at forward and a proven outside threat to open things up for Talor Battle.  Long term, it's faced with the cold, hard reality of having only a handfull of players, three on the current roster and three committed recruits, in the fold for the 2011-2012 season and beyond.

However, it's important to remember that the players leaving the program now are still the same ones who had roles in Penn State finishing last in the Big Ten in 2010.  Of course, we'll never know how the transfers and early  graduates could have contributed to the 2011 squad or how they'd have turned out had they chosen to play out their careers at Penn State.  What we do know is that these players have already proven they can fail as part of the team, and even if all four showed modest improvement in 2011, there's still no promise that Penn State would have come anywhere close to the goal of an NCAA Tournament berth.  DeChellis now has the flexibility to repair this last place roster, rather than pray it heals on its own.

Ultimately, Saturday's developments are only going to further polarize what was already a very toxic discussion of the future of Penn State basketball.  Unfortunately for both sides, the departures have done little to resolve things one way or the other.  Penn State could get worse.  Penn State could get better.  Penn State could stay the same.

All we can do as fans is sit, wait, and wonder like a wise old man did hundreds of years ago about America's future whether Saturday's changes will lead to the rise or set of the Ed DeChellis era at Penn State.

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This week, the search for replacements on the roster for the departed players begins.  So who are some of the remaining Class of 2010 targets Penn State is known to be interested in, and how interested are these players in Penn State?

According to Penn State Hoops, the Nittany Lions are known to have made offers to at least three players already, and several more are listed as targets. 

Offered

-Kendall Durant-Durant is a 6'3" junior college point guard out of Weatherford, Texas.  He committed to Virginia Tech during his initial recruitment in 2007, but failed to qualify academically and never enrolled there.  According to Rivals, he has offers from five other schools including Virginia Tech, Virginia Commonwealth, and South Carolina.

-Dwight McCombs-McCombs is a 6'8" junior college power forward out of Chicago.

Chicago Hoops.com reported March 9

McCombs is seeing his recruiting skyrocket. “It’s really picking up right now. I’ve got it down to a certain number of schools. There are probably six high-major, and six mid-major schools in the mix. I’m going on my three official visits soon. I plan on taking one to Arkansas, one to South Alabama, and the third isn’t decided yet. I’m probably going to take unofficial visits to Minnesota, Middle Tennessee State, Penn State, and Missouri. I may change my mind and give one of them my last official visit,” said McCombs.

McCombs is not in a rush to make a decision, but wants to have a decision made by April 15th. However, he also notes that if he finds the right school before then, that he will not hesistate to pull the trigger and make a commitment.

The site describes McCombsas a "double-double machine," so take that for what it's worth.

-Tyler Olander-Olander is a 6'8" forward from Storrs, Conn.  Rivals does not list Penn State as in the running for Olander, but The 22,000+ said March 10:

Olander doesn’t have Penn State in his Top 3, but he has said his feelings towards Penn State are growing stronger.

 As you can see, both recruits have a pretty solid list of schools they’re interested in and vise-versa. Tyler Olander has already been offered a scholarship, and now that he might have the chance to take Penn State up on their offer it should be interesting to see what he does next. He is however a strong UConn lean, so Penn State has a hill to climb. The longer this goes on, the more likely the roster spots will be filled by transfer players.

Of the three, Olander is probably the least likely to land at Penn State, but Saturday's developments may have opened the door for minutes he might not see at Connecticut or elsewhere, so who knows if things might change.

Unoffered/Unknown

-Eric McKnight-McKnight is a PF/C out of Bowie, Maryland, and is considered another long shot for Penn State.  However, as with Olander, Saturday's departures might be a game changer.

Multiple sources including the Centre Daily Times and Baltimore Sun have linked McKnight to Penn State, so he's a player to keep an eye on in the days and weeks to come.

-Orlando Walker-Walker is a 6'3" junior college shooting guard out of Lynchburg, Tenn.  There isn't much information readily available on Walker, but according to Rivals, he's said to have "high" interest in Penn State, Marquette, and Davidson.

Fortunately for Penn State, Marquette's class is already loaded with guards, and Davidson has already landed point guard Tom Droney out of Sewickly.  Interesting note, yours truly once stuffed the living daylights out of Droney in the Catholic grade school ranks of Pittsburgh.

-Calvin Newell-Not a whole lot out there to link Penn State to this JUCO point guard out of Charlotte, but Eeersports.com has gone so far as to say Penn State has offered him.  Whether the Lions are a player or not is highly questionable, but at this point, they're already grasping at straws.

Feel free to surf through the rest of the Penn State Hoops list at your leisure.  There are certainly some interesting targets, but Penn State's position with many of them is unknown.

In any event, use this as your base guide for Penn State Emergency Recruiting 2010 and keep your eyes on these players and others mentioned on the Penn State Hoops List. 

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by Slawsc on Mar 21, 2010 9:34 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Ok

so all of these players are Ed’s picks, not ones left over from another regime…what the hell is going on in the locker room…I do know for a fact that Adam Highberger had other legit Div 1 offers, but decided to walk-on at PSU, whatever the reason…the others are recruits, not walk-ons….what’s goin’ on——seems like nothing really promising.

by DerryPharmer on Mar 21, 2010 10:46 AM EDT reply actions  

I know Highberger and Ott are graduating

but four players leaving early looks really bad and I wonder whether DeChellis will ever make any statements about it.

by Mr. Rosewater on Mar 21, 2010 10:50 AM EDT reply actions  

This is almost as bad as 2002

I had so much fun last year following the team, just like our NCAA run in 2001 and some of the better years through the 90’s, the main difference I see now is that we are keeping our coach. Hopefully he will be able to pull things together for a better season next year.

A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
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by psu on Mar 21, 2010 11:23 AM EDT reply actions  

The Apologist mindset

All these guys who are so replaceable were picked by Ed, so why after all these years and the 4 last place finishes in 7 years should anyone have any confidence in Ed to make the necessary improvements?

According to apologists, anyone that ever transfers from this program is totally replaceable, after all, they contributed to a last place basketball team. A few weeks ago these guys were peaces to the puzzle who gained valuable experience and have another offseason to get better and build continuity with their teammates. While the season was playing out, it was these players that were being used as the excuse for losing because they didn’t have the experience. Now it turns out that their inexperience wasn’t the problem, they just weren’t very good. You can’t have it both ways.

If you were able to put a franchise tag on three players on the current roster, you would have put that tag on Babb, Edwards, and Frazier. Two of those three guys are now gone. Considering next year was supposed to THE YEAR, to argue that Penn State can overcome that by replacing them with INEXPERIENCED players makes every person who has had to listen to this apologetic nonsense for the past 15 years want to pull their hair out. Why will this inexperience be better?

I also love how dependent we are becoming on junior college players. Once upon a time the idea of taking juco’s was considered blasphemy . Penn State would never compromise its commitment to academic excellence. Taking junior college players wasn’t the Penn State way. The apologists would rather lose than win with junior college players and partial qualifiers. Let other programs win that way, that’s just not something that will ever be acceptable at Penn State.

Now the apologists can’t get enough of them. If they can provide a quick fix and protect the job security of the embattled head coach, get a Fab 5 of them.

The double standards, phoniness, and hypocrisy that exists within the logic of an apologist is laughable and incredibly transparent.

The devotion to this head coach is beyond ridiculous. He’s not good enough, end of story.

by Richard Aceto on Mar 21, 2010 12:09 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

+10000000000000000

by Slawsc on Mar 21, 2010 12:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I would be willing to bet money

that you are one of the posters on the Scout basketball forum that make it almost unreadable.

I’m not saying I disagree with you, it’s just that calling everyone who wanted Ed to succeed an “apologist” starts to get old, real quick.

It looks like game over. To think, unless next year ends in an NCAA berth people will STILL say, “he needs 1 more year to work with the talent/juco’s he brings in”. I thought next year was it. No more excuses.

I was partying over the weekend with a few of the players who currently have their names in the headlines. No one had the attitude of “I need to move on with my life.” Everyone was content and having a good time. I always thought that Ed’s speeches couldn’t motivate me to take out the trash. Now it seems he couldn’t even motivate his players to stick with him during a rocky stretch. Maybe a large percentage of the team knew what everyone else didn’t: that there wasn’t going to be much to look forward to unless Ed made some drastic changes in his 8th year. And really, what was going to improve that much in year 8 that he couldn’t implement in year 7, or in previous years?

Some people can spin it however they want, but if next season doesn’t work out, we won’t have to point to injuries, or a tougher Big 10, or inexperienced players as the cause. It’s due to the fact that Ed, a guy many of us rooted for and feel is a great person, has tried to get PSU to the next level and hasn’t been able to do it in 7-8 years.

Computers rank me number 1, blame the BCS...it's their fault.-Joe Budden

by OMEGAMAN on Mar 21, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

We can thank him...

for getting Basketball Office upgrades that should have been implemented a decade ago.

We can thank him for upgrading our film room from VHS tapes to DVD’s. We can give him credit for caring when no one else around him cared. And we can also thank him for upping the talent level that Penn State can shoot for.

But I believe one of the editors months, or years ago said something along the lines that “Ed may not take us all the way, but we all owe him for how far he did take the program.” I think it’s safe to say he has taken us as far as he can.

Computers rank me number 1, blame the BCS...it's their fault.-Joe Budden

by OMEGAMAN on Mar 21, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The Mindset Of A Hell Raiser

This was a week ago

The biggest reason why I wanted a change is because of the fact that there’s going to be a huge drop after next year. I personally don’t believe Ed can absorb any more last place finishes. At what point does his message to the Battle’s of the world fall on deaf ears?
You can’t survive in the Big Ten without a front court, it’s too physical a league. We just finished in last place with a front court full of experienced red shirt juniors and Brooks, and you think Sasa and Edwards is an adequate front court? You can’t be serious.

A week ago, Edwards and Babb were part of a 2012 and beyond team that you classified as “a huge drop off” from a team in Jackson, Brooks, and Jones that you have no use for to begin with. Now, when they’re leaving, you’re using their departure to paint a picture of how bad Penn State is gonna suck without them.

So make up your damn mind.

I’m sure you’ll come back with some long winded response about how I’m an “apolopgist” or and “idiot” or “clueless”. Doooooo it.

The fact of the matter is that you’ll spin any kind of news, good or bad, as a reason Ed DeChellis needs to be fired. If he does something good, it’s not good enough. If he does something bad, it’s a complete disaster. That’s no better than being the “apologists” you reville so much.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 21, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

What are you talking about?

I didn’t think Ed was going to win anyway, now it’s never going to happen. Now what was going to be a drop off is going to be much worse. I’m not saying those guys were NBA players, but they were the best of the young bunch. They probably weren’t good enough anyway, but for the 1,000,000th time, IT’S THE MESSAGE THESE TRANSFERS ARE SENDING. HELLO!!!!!!!!!???!?!?!?!?!?!

My whole point from the very very beginning of wanting Ed gone was protect the things he did do well. The experience returning doesn’t have the ability to transfer and Buie was locked in so let a new coach come to Penn State and have a chance to win his first year, but at the very least not have a disastrous first year. Let a new coach build early momentum something this coach couldn’t. Let the new coach build a relationship with Buie and the other younger players, recruit his own players with all the available scholarships, and prevent the long rebuilding job that was required when Ed took over. I’m not married to Ed Dechellis and I’ve tolerated so much bad basketball, I don’t care if Ed is the coach, apparently you guys do.

I’m done with wait and see. I’ve watched Penn State assistants take this program nowhere for 15 plus years. I don’t need to see another year or 2. Nothing is going to change.

That was my point. I don’t hate Ed, don’t know the guy. I’m sure he works hard and cares a great deal. He’s not good enough.

I don’t need to spin anything. It’s been 7 years, no NCAA Tournament appearances, 4 last place finishes, countless horrible losses to inferior competition, abysmal performances in preseason tournaments, pathetic results in the Big Ten Tournament, etc. Now we have the transfers.

The fact is, it is now too late because it’s clear that the players aren’t buying into this. Of the guys who could transfer that legitimately contributed, 2 are leaving. 2 of the 3.

What is there left to defend anymore? What?

It’s not just about recruiting and the roster either, Ed is not a good coach. The style of play that brought him success at the midmajor level hasn’t even shown up on the floor at Penn State. He wanted to run and press. When have we ever played that way in 8 years? Never?

The philosophy that worked for ED at ETSU, the philosophy that made him effective, he hasn’t even put that philosophy on the floor at Penn State.

It’s not working for him here. Why is that so hard for you to come to grips with. I think this is apparent to many since I continue to argue with the same 3 people.

by Richard Aceto on Mar 21, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

None of us disagree with your logic

But when you call us “idiots” for our opinions, we’re not going to throw ourselves at your feet and call you a genius.

The whole point of the post is that #1 Ed DeChellis is going to be the coach for 2011 and #2 all we can do for the next year is wait and see what he does with the scholarships and ultimately the roster he puts together and evaluate that next spring. There’s a damn good chance 2011 will prove you right, but there’s also a chance Ed is going to pull a few moves and get a more robust group in here to help us get to March.

If all you’re going to do is complain, go root for Villanova.

God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...

by Adam Bittner on Mar 21, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

And, when Penn State makes a marked improvement

we realize you’re going to show up and say that it’ll never happen next year because Battle and DJ will be gone, Buie won’t stay, etc.etc. Short of a final four appearance, you’re not going to be satisfied Mr. Aceto, so while those of us who actually enjoy the team, enjoy Penn State, and heck, even enjoy DeChellis and the randomness he provides, let us enjoy close down to the wire games, heartbreaking losses, and let us have our small moral victories. I’m not going to complain after every loss because we don’t have enough recruits from Philadelphia, sorry.

by AdamShell on Mar 21, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Short of a Final Four Appearance I won't be happy?

I’ll be satisfied with a 12 seed in the NCAA Tournament and a first round blowout loss. It would show improvement.

That’s the other apologist defense mechanism.

Someone is tired of 15 years of last place finishes and the apologist goes to the other extreme by saying I won’t be happy unless they’re in the Final 4.

My expectations for Penn State basketball couldn’t be anymore realistic.

Last place finishes and blowout losses in the Big Ten Tournament leaves a ton of room for improvement.

You clearly aren’t enjoying Penn State enough if you’re spending a beautiful Sunday during your college years arguing w/ me over the computer.

by Richard Aceto on Mar 21, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

They Just Don't Get It

I’m with you. This program was growing and in a position to make the next step when it joined the Big Ten. 15 years later, it isn’t where it should be, lead by an Administration that just doesn’t get it. You can’t blame Ed or Jerry. I see a failure from the top of the university down through the AD to see what it truly takes to compete at a Big Ten level for Men’s Basketball. I guess they just don’t care. Yeah we compete, but there is more than just winning or losing close games. It is called progress and consistency, which still just isn’t there yet.

by Slawsc on Mar 22, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not working for him here. Why is that so hard for you to come to grips with. I think this is apparent to many since I continue to argue with the same 3 people.

I won’t speak for others, but for myself, I just realize that arguing on the internet isn’t going to change the fact that ED will still be head coach at the beginning of next season.

I’ve had my doubts about him being able to take the program to the next level (there’s a reason why I compared him to Bruce Arena), but I wanted to give him what I feel is due diligence. Next season’s expectations don’t change for me, and the team’s success/failure will determine Ed’s fate (IMO).

For better or worse, we’ve been dealt our hand. Some will complain, others will take what we’ve got and fly with it.

"I did my walk of shame this morning and everyone was so much nicer," she said. "People were inviting me to parties at 9 a.m."

by IcersGuy on Mar 21, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

This

God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...

by Adam Bittner on Mar 21, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't worry

I’ll be gone from this board very soon because this will all get very boring for me. I’ll return next year this time after another crappy year and I’ll continue to refute your crappy excuses.

I know my opinions won’t change anything, I just like arguing, and I can’t believe at this late stage in Ed’s career that I still have to argue that he’s not good enough.

by Richard Aceto on Mar 21, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just don't understand

how someone can possibly be a fan of something that brings out this kind of attitude in them?

Your diatribes against the team would be like me writing essays about the sad state of Detroit Lions Football. I wouldn’t do it, because I don’t care.

No one is arguing against you. There aren’t many positives to Ed’s time here. There are no Ed fans here, only Penn State fans. With the amount of arguing you do, it seems the only way you would ever be happy is if we join you in a protest in front of Ed’s office.

What’s done is done. They will either salvage something or let Ed go. No one here has any power to make either one happen so we can only comment on it. At least most of us can do it in a respectful manner.

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by OMEGAMAN on Mar 21, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm still an Ed fan

but my limit is next year and that hasn’t changed.

Not that I have anything to do with the decision. I just go get pictures with random guys on the football team.

by AdamShell on Mar 21, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm flagging this.

This is ridiculously annoying.

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by ReadingRambler on Mar 21, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

Heck I live in Monaca, Ed’s home town and I think he needs to go now. Sick and tired of losing.

Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.

by wookieeman on Mar 21, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh boy something new to read

Same shit different day from all parties. e

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by psuphiman80 on Mar 21, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

C'mon

Knock it off with all the apologist vs. realist talk. There’s no need to make this personal among fans.

by BSD on Mar 21, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perfect World

i think we can all agree that psu bball is dogshit and it will be dogshit for the next several years/decades… if i took off my psu hat though and did away with the glory and the humble pie.. id like to see them bring in the dirtiest coach ever (Calipari, Pitino?) – someone along those lines.. and just break every rule in the book to have a super badass awesome team.. pay players, their families, reggie bush shit.. get those athletes that we just cant get.. known one and done guys.. dont even make them go to class. and just tear shit up and then quit going to school as soon as they win the march madness. it would be freaking awesome.. like webber, king, rose, etc.. black socks.. then the whole winter would be awesome.. march madness would be awesome.. and life would be awesomer! on a quick note though if i could have any coach i want billy gillespie.. that degenerate gambler son of a bitch is the man!!!

by smashmouthsteel on Mar 21, 2010 5:06 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't understand

why people are screaming for ED to be fired when we’ve already been told he is comng back. It doesn’t matter what the name is of the coach, DeChellis or Calipari, or the names of the players, Babb or Edwards. I only care about the name on the front of the jersey – PENN STATE.

If ED is going that’s o be the coach next year, let’s hope he gets it done. That said, I think coaches can only be responsible for so much – players play. I’m looking at Brooks and Jones. Brooks is no Claxton and Jones is no Booth. The better raise their games next year that’s all.

by TonyLion on Mar 21, 2010 9:27 PM EDT reply actions  

You are the kind

of fan the athletic department loves.

Year after year you bend over and take another. Keep believing pigs will start flying and send the NLC donation.

If you want to blindly support the program, that’s clearly your right.

Just as it is my right to come on the board and complain even if nothing is going to result from it.

The logo on the jersey never won a game ever, it’s the people inside that do the winning.

by Richard Aceto on Mar 21, 2010 10:25 PM EDT reply actions  

LEARN HOW TO USE THE REPLY BUTTON

"Based on my estimates, it appears that Stanzi shall transcend the ages." - Cairo

by ReadingRambler on Mar 21, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's very simply really.

You have to ask yourself one simple question.

Next year will you be happy for PENN STATE to win……

or will you be happy for Penn State to lose, so as to strengthen the case for getting rid of DeChellis and/or Curley?

by TonyLion on Mar 22, 2010 8:46 AM EDT reply actions  

This has nothing to do

with simply getting rid of the coach. If PSU can win with Ed, Great. If not, he needs to go. So how long do you keep a guy around to show he can win? I think Ed has had the opportunity to show what he can do.

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Mar 22, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't underestimate how hard it is to replace transfers

One of the main reasons the Men’s Bball teams were so awful from 2002-2007 was because of transfers. The program was utterly decimated by our best players leaving the program to go elsewhere (whether related to Jerry Dunn’s “resignation” or not). Joe Crispin to UCLA, Sharif Chambliss to Wisconsin, Deforest Riley to Xavier, Marlon Smith to Fordham, Daren Tielsch (sp?) to Robert Morris. I know there were a few others I can’t think of. Multiple transfers – especially after most high school kids have signed – put you in a position of having to put together a piecemeal team that will struggle to be successful.

The 2008-2009 team had a solid foundation of guys who had been with the program for years and wanted to be a part of PSU basketball. I think this goes a long way when it comes to building a successful program and was a big reason for the success they had. This year’s team seemed to be headed in the right direction, but now I feel we’re back in 2003 again.

by psuquinn on Mar 22, 2010 9:26 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree.

The transfers are more concerning than the losing. Prehaps DeChellis didn’t lose them during the season, but he couldn’t convince them that next year was going to be better. This is totally what happened to Jerry Dunn, and it’s totally not what happend to the football team during the dark era.

The football players believed they could be better, and didn’t want to go out on a 4-7, 3-8 type season. It seems pretty apparant that the basketball players don’t have the same manner of confidence. The reason is not particulalry important, seeing is that there is only one or two things that you can change.

The way Penn State can compete is by selling kids a program that they can buy into for four years, so that we are always a reasonably experienced squad. Transfers kill that momentum. The season was bad enough. But it’s gone past “your friend died” to “your friend died of auto-erotic asphyixation” territory.

Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.

by jesse. on Mar 22, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Welcome back. jesse.

Huge +1

"Based on my estimates, it appears that Stanzi shall transcend the ages." - Cairo

by ReadingRambler on Mar 22, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

RIP Michael Hutchence

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Mar 23, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Eric at Battle Does it Again

would disagree that things are as bad as they were back then.

http://www.battledoesitagain.com/

However, he does point out the major concern with replacing transfers is that most prospects have already committed elsewhere and few are left available. Of those, even fewer are interested in PSU. Right now we need a really good recruiter among the coaches we have, Preston, Earl, Kanaskie or DeChellis. Somebody in this staff has to come through now.

by TonyLion on Mar 22, 2010 11:00 AM EDT reply actions  

I don’t understand how anyone can argue with a thing Richard Aceto says. Using the “You’re not a real Penn State fan” kind of logic? It’s embarrassing how clueless some Penn State fans are about the basketball world

by Kyanz43 on Mar 23, 2010 5:37 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Are you his mother?

If so, you should tell him to stop the name calling.

"Based on my estimates, it appears that Stanzi shall transcend the ages." - Cairo

by ReadingRambler on Mar 23, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's embarassing how clueless

A Maryland talking about Penn State basketball looks.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 23, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, because I mean I’m not a PSU student or anything

by Kyanz43 on Mar 23, 2010 11:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Well how am I supposed to know?

I’m just going by your profile.

And it isn’t as much the dude’s arguement as it is his labeling of anyone who disagrees with him an “idiot”, “clueless”, or “apoligist”

Sorry I misrepresented you. I’m just saying, calling people idiots isn’t going to make them agree with you.

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