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Penn State Spring Battles - Offensive Line

Predicting the members of an offensive line five months before the start of the season is a borderline pointless endeavor.  Players will be switched from tackle to guard, from offense to defense, and so on.  But let's just try to muck our way through this one, mmkay?

2009 Review:  Well, there were good days, and days against Ohio State and Iowa.  The good days saw a lot of rushing yardage for Evan Royster and Stephfon Green, and Daryll Clark walked off the field with a relatively clean jersey.  The other days involved a lot of Broderick Binns, Adrian Clayborn, and Cameron Heyward crumpling the line of scrimmage, destroying the PSU running game, and harassing Clark into bad decisions.  You'll recall, the Iowa game spawned this representation of the offensive line:

 

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Sadly, stop sign and banana peel have graduated, leaving Penn State to find two new offensive tackles. 

Perhaps the best way to attack this mess is to start with the most experienced uglies.  And again, keep in mind that this is the part of the starting lineup most susceptable to changes.  So when Quinn Barham ends up playing free safety in ten days, don't come back here complaining.  Also, it's generally safe to assume that Penn State will redshirt an incoming freshman lineman whenever possible.

The Likely

#61 Stefen Wisniewski - SR 6-3/297 - Almost certain to be the starting center.  Hard to believe he's a senior already, isn't it?  He started his PSU career as a guard but was moved to center prior to last season.  He struggled a bit with his new responsibilities (not to mention his many low shotgun snaps), but let's face facts here -- he's our best offensive lineman right now.

#74 Johnnie Troutman - JR 6-4/309 -- Started last season in the Paterno Home For Wayward Canines, which led to Matt Stankiewitch starting the first few games of the year.  Troutman was shaky at times, but generally improved as the season passed.  Put it this way, the left guard position is his if he wants it.

#77 Lou Eliades - SR 6-4/310 - Penciled in as the starting right guard, but available to play tackle if things get a little squirrely out there.  You'd think the coaching staff would prefer to avoid breaking up the returning interior line if possible.

#50 DeOn'tae Pannell - JR 6-5/300 - The probable starting left tackle, Pannell was actually "Banana Peel" during the Iowa game before he was replaced by a combination of JUCO transfers Nerraw McCormack and Ako Poti, who would eventually solidify the position for the latter half of the season.  Pannell worked his way back onto the field as a guard toward the end of 2009, but he'll be shuffled back out to tackle and expected to perform much better than he did against Iowa's Broderick Binns in 2009.

#75 Eric Shrive -  FR 6-6/298 - Former five-star recruit out of Scranton.   Many expected Shrive to get some playing time as a true freshman, but a nagging knee injury made that a bit less practical from the coaching staff's perspective.  Like Pannell, Shrive ran plenty of practice reps at guard last season.  Played in the U.S. Army All-American Bowl after his senior year in high school.  Looks like the giant 19 year old that he is:

 

 

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The Lurking

Some other names at tackle:

#58 Adam Gress - FR 6-6/275 -  You'll notice that Penn State is awfully young at this position aside from Pannell.  Gress is another redshirt freshman with plenty of potential.

#76 Nate Cadogan - FR 6-5/285 - Brother of former Nittany Lion tackle Gerald.  Seems destined to compete at tackle for the next four years.

#78 Mike Farrell - SO 6-6/298

 

#63 Mark Arcidiacono - FR 6-4/274

#XX Khamrone Kolb - FR 6-6/300

#XX Tom Ricketts - FR 6-6/266


Other Guards:

#54 Matt Stankiewitch - SO 6-3/292 -- Wasn't quite physically or technically prepared for the starting lineup, but he still has a lot of football in front of him.  He's similar to Pannell in that regard -- guys who were shoved around when they first received significant playing time, but will ultimately benefit from the experience.

#67 Quinn Barham - JR 6-3/290 -- At a point early last season, the Penn State coaching staff was so angry with its starting guards that they were both pulled from the lineup.  Barham was one of the guys thrust into action, and he performed pretty well.  He'll likely begin spring practices as a backup, but don't completely rule him out.

#66 Chiamaeze Okoli - JR 6-4/293 -- Recent convert from defense.  May also practice at tackle.

#64 John Urschel - FR 6-3/278
#62 Frank Figueroa - FR 6-3/280
#XX Luke Graham - FR 6-5/274
#70 Anthony Tortorelli - JR 6-0/261

Other Centers:


#68 Doug Klopacz -  SR 6-3/284 - Always discussed in spring drills, but yet to seriously threaten the starting lineup.

#60 Ty Howle - FR 6-0/289 - True center prospect due to his lack of height.  No reliable information as to his progress at PSU.

#XX Miles Diffenbach - FR 6-4/277 - Extremely intriguing.  There are whispers that the coaching staff feels Diffenbach may be ready to play a lot sooner than originally expected.

Poll
Penn State's 2010 Offensive Line.
Meh.
108 votes
Ehh.
131 votes
*shrug*
173 votes
Dunno.
182 votes

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Diffenbach is going to be a big time player for PSU.

Just not right now.

Pannell is the key to the OL, for obvious reasons. PSU is too thin at OT for him to be having problems. I also wouldn’t sleep on Farrell. He wasn’t highly regarded, but he’s gotten bigger and could press Shrive. That said, I still think the staff will go with Shrive.

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by psuphiman80 on Mar 28, 2010 5:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Exited about Ricketts

But I’ll probably have to wait a couple years. Once he puts on some more weight he could be an absolute monster.

by jordan psu on Mar 28, 2010 6:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Ricketts will show up bigger than 266 I bet.

"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"

by psuphiman80 on Mar 28, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you might see him start next year after Wiz leaves

assuming the whispers about him are true. From the sound of it, he’s probably big and strong enough to compete for a spot coming in, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see him listed as number 2 on the DC going into the season.

by skarocksoi on Mar 28, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

And that was meant to be about Diffenbach

Not Ricketts. I suck. Probably won’t see Ricketts for a few years, unless he really impresses the coaches. We’ve got a lot of young, talented O-lineman that should be competing for spots over the next few years.

by skarocksoi on Mar 28, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know this is offtopic...

But could you elaborate on the origin of your screenname (apologies if you’ve done so before)?

"BSD. LSD. Coincidence? Probably." - PurpleMonkeyDishwasher

by ReadingRambler on Mar 28, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want to go off topic too then...

sorry

Saw a video snippet from Friday’s practice…viewed Curtis Dukes for a moment; and not that this is ‘new-news’…but he has the shape and size of a Pro already. He’s 1/2 Curtis Enis, 1/2 Ki-Jana…

> now back to the normal thread…

/ tips hat

" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009

by BlueWhiteLife on Mar 28, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

The scary thing is

the coaching staff said he “turned a corner” this past year. When he came in people were raving about how ready he was to compete as a freshman and now he’s improved enough to garner that sort of comment from the staff? I’m almost scared of what he might be able to do given the chance this fall. Almost.

by skarocksoi on Mar 28, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know how QB and O-line (to a certain extent, probably not as bad this year)

instantly bring in that impending sense of doom and that sinking feeling in your stomach?

I think about RB, and I just smile. We. Are. (Penn State) LOADED.
They are the sunshine of this team already without having seen any of them play. Royster, Green, Dukes, Redd. I don’t do drugs, but RB the methamphetamine to the question marks’ Bad Acid trip or drinking binge.

by dawsonPSU10 on Mar 29, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awe...

’come-on Coach, Easy!

" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009

by BlueWhiteLife on Mar 29, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry guys I had to

I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.

BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.

by carolinaeasy on Mar 29, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

SHHHHH!

We really should not even mention that particular joint when referring to Penn State athletes. ESPECIALLY this time of year. The Knee Hating God is ever attentive to our joy and optimism of football season in it’s Spring infancy, silently waiting to strike without warning like the doucheabag He his. Don’t tempt him.

by dawsonPSU10 on Mar 29, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure

It basically goes back to when I was in highschool and needed a screenname. I like Ska music and think it rocks, therefore skarocks. I also had a band called Overactive Id (as in the freudian term) then, which forms the oi. Also, “oi” is a common thing to hear from a ska/punk person. Like “hey”. That’s it. It’s my screenname for just about everything, so if you see it, its probably me. At least until my internet popularity grows to the point where I begin to inspire copycats.

But that’s it.

by skarocksoi on Mar 28, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

"BSD. LSD. Coincidence? Probably." - PurpleMonkeyDishwasher

by ReadingRambler on Mar 29, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

No problem

Sorry if it wasn’t as epic as you might have hoped.

by skarocksoi on Mar 29, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

for a while I was internally pronouncing it "sackarooskie"

then I actually took the time a while ago to actually read it, and realized it said ska rock (and then I just assumed soi was some band you liked). Not far off.

/prefers sackarooskie

by The JuggerNitt on Mar 29, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Technically you can pronounce it any way you like

since I can’t actually hear you. You just might look weird around others.

by skarocksoi on Mar 29, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope Stank and Troutman have improved

I’ve rewatched the MSU game and the Citrus Bowl and Pannell was much better than he had been at the beginning of the season. Comparatively, I was very underwhelmed by Landolt in those games. He was missing a lot more blocks than Pannell although at LT he was not getting much help.

I expect there will be lots of movement before game one. Like you said, Wis is probably the only set position at this point. Eliades is listed at Tackle on the roster and RT may be a better spot for him. His mobility as a pulling guard looked a little suspect at times. If Stank has improved and Shrive is less than dominating out of the gate, I’ll predict from left to right: Pannell, Troutman, Wis, Stank and Eliades.

by Frank O'Brien on Mar 28, 2010 6:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Fun with Debates

Yeah, Stank. Let me be frank….Well, not Frank Obrien, but candid. I’m afraid I don’t see much upside for this cat. Good Penn State character guy, but a journeyman is his destiny. I didn’t think he had the Power or the Athleticism last year and only one of those two things is (somewhat) fixable. Thing is, we probably shouldn’t even have been privy to witnessing his underdevelopment. If we’re to believe Wiz, JoePa stubborned us into some of the Iowa issues by unnecessarily PHFWC’ing Troutman in August, thereby losing the noncon warmup opptys, as Wiz had to play next to Stank early instead.

And regarding My Boy Lou: yes it’s probable that his build and ‘athleticism’ is more suited to the Tackle position. But here’s the thing: we have other tackles, but we may not have other play-ready Guards. By all accounts (BWI, FOS), Gress, Shrive and Cadogen are all pushing Pannell for playtime at either Tackle spot. And if Eliades were an option at RT, why no move last year when it was more needed? Is he one of those thick grinders for whom new assignments come with more difficulty? I dunno. And yes, it was painful seeing his share of downfield whiffs (well, more like kinda funny than painful), but at least he got out and down there. I mean, he can run. Maybe he can be awesome?

In any event, I know Wiz will be awesome this year. And I’m betting Troutman will be close to it as well. I think the offense in general will better know what they’re doing on running plays this year, and that includes Royster, who I expect to return to his Visionary Greatness. My money says the starters are thus: Pannell, Troutman, Wiz, My Boy Lou, Gress (narrowly edging Shrive, who will get plenty of PT in early season blowouts of Youngstown State and Alabama).

"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess

by jtothep on Mar 29, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm more concerned about the wide recievers

Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.

by jesse. on Mar 29, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

tee hee hee

"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess

by jtothep on Mar 29, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

If there is an area...

besides QB we need to address, its the O-Line. An achilles heel for us last year, this year’s team will need to develop and gel as a unit, BUT FASTt! With an inexperienced QB leading us, two factors come into play: 1. We cannot allow defensive surges to give the QB “happy feet” he will never build the confidence he needs, and 2. because of a new QB, we will need to rely on Evan (all genuflect…….amen) to establish the running game and to give us a prayer at a passing game.

Pannell must proves that he belongs, we cannot aford a weak, weakside.

by ljdevine on Mar 29, 2010 8:28 AM EDT reply actions  

You mean blindside

Not weakside. You don’t have weaksides on offense. If you do you are going to get killed.

I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.

BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.

by carolinaeasy on Mar 29, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

well it was last year…(weak that is)

My bad…thanks

by ljdevine on Mar 29, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just want to make sure we use the proper terms

It makes us all look smarter as a community

I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.

BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.

by carolinaeasy on Mar 29, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know. Remember how Poti got there in the first place?

@scrappled

"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee

by Run Up The Score on Mar 29, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Pannell got a bum rap

Yes he was bad against Iowa, but Iowa made a lot of people look bad. Then he’s basically the third right tackle, then he’s competing for time at left guard? That doesn’t give him a lot to build on coming into this season.

by Illegal Formation on Mar 29, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know

I’m usually with you on the side of bum raps. But the video on Pannell v Binns is downright damning. Especially in The Still Life work of Mr. Easy.

"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess

by jtothep on Mar 29, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

There’s no doubt that he was dominated both physically and probably mentally against Iowa. I guess my point is this: Any differences in quality between Poti, Pannell, and McCormack were marginal. But Pannell probably had a lot more room to progress. I would have liked to see him get a second chance later in the season.

by Illegal Formation on Mar 29, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I'm with you

But I think the quality differences will be apparent this year and will pan(nel) out to be more than marginal. I can see the coaches using Poti instead of him, to help the mental confidence aspect you mentioned. He’s far more athletic. Here’s hoping he’s being properly seasoned now so he comes in with a chance to show what he’s got.

"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess

by jtothep on Mar 29, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I hope and think he’ll have a good spring. I don’t want to see the coaches shuffling guys around in the first half v. Alabama.

by Illegal Formation on Mar 29, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the link

Maybe it’s Pannell’s uncertainty in that first step that kept getting him beat. Let’s hope the additional work over the last year will pay off.

by Frank O'Brien on Mar 29, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

And I think Uncertainty was pretty collective across the line that night. Maybe even in the backfield, where neither Royster or Clark seemed particularly certain in any direction.

"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess

by jtothep on Mar 29, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just went back and looked at that play

What stands out to me, and what I remember from my playing days as an offensive lineman, is that you develop so much over the course of an off season. Pannell took some bad steps in that game and that coupled with a strength issue lead to the blow up of that play (not to mention Wiz’s poor job). The two easiest things for an offensive lineman to fix over an off season are strength and footwork. I like Pannell and hope he can bounce back strong.

I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.

BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.

by carolinaeasy on Mar 29, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'll go to the grave disagreeing with you on that one play mr. easy...

no way a center who gets a stalemate from a playside shaded nosetackle with no help gets a failing grade on the play

and this is coming from a guy who thinks Wiz is vastly overrated

by hbeach08 on Mar 29, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you think he would be overrated had he stayed at Guard?

"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess

by jtothep on Mar 29, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

tough to say

jacking around positions certainly doesn’t help

i just feel he took a step back at center this year is all, and was surprised to see first team all everything

I also think coaches will lobby for a kid all conference if he does and says all the right things and makes sacrifices (moves positions) for the good of the team. and i’m cool with that.

I’m not saying someone else coulda been better, or that wiz stinks, I just didn’t see “unanimous all coneference” performances out of any of our guys last year on the o line

by hbeach08 on Mar 29, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

werd, thx

"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess

by jtothep on Mar 29, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just think with better footwork and hand fit

Wiz could have got his head across and allowed for the cutback run on the play. Looking back at that play now, yeah I think I was a bit harsh in my judgment, but if he is a “true” all conference player that should be a rather manageable play.

I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.

BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.

by carolinaeasy on Mar 30, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

You gotta remember I came 12 hours to watch that game

and left a little bit disillusioned and mad. I think some of this bitterness crept into my writing and breakdown.

I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.

BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.

by carolinaeasy on Mar 30, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

dag, you coulda hung with Katie Morgan

"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess

by jtothep on Mar 30, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Always in the gutter

lol

I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.

BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.

by carolinaeasy on Mar 30, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

we’re splitting hairs

all the action on that play was going wide right tho, the fullbacks angle at the snap makes me think cutback was never much of an option. even if it was, the RT getting blown up made any cutback or secondary cut impossible

by hbeach08 on Mar 30, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah anytime your first step playside is backwards you are screwed

I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.

BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.

by carolinaeasy on Mar 30, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Diffenbach won't be a center.

If his heighth is really 6-4 they will move him to guard and play Ty Howle. I think you will see some battles at the tackles but that interior line is exciting. Not looking to chug any Kool-Aide but this line has the potential to be pretty great. Having your interior lineman back is key to a solid run game, and with our backs that could be HUGE.

I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.

BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.

by carolinaeasy on Mar 29, 2010 10:34 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm ok with this.

I’ve heard nothing but great things about Dieffenbach since recruitment. And Howle and Shrive have large upsides (TWSS?). I see an extremely strong OL in a couple years, with this year’s version being pretty strong once they start gelin’

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by Jeff Junstrom on Mar 29, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Howle has a long way to go to be ready for action.

"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"

by psuphiman80 on Mar 29, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can we start howling anyways?

Ever since Nicholson in Wolf, I really love to howl and, even as men, we just never have enough opportunities to do so.

I really hope we howl for Howle, however lame the pun.

"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess

by jtothep on Mar 29, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

imagine if he was a RB or WR

or any position that makes individually acknowledged plays (basically anything that could show up on SportsCenter). Instead of stuff like Cooooooo we could have the whole stadium howling.

by The JuggerNitt on Mar 30, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

that would be so awesome

"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess

by jtothep on Mar 30, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

OMG!

Can you even freakin picture it? 110,000, rockin Three Wolf Moon tees, cheering for the freakin second-string Center with a cacophany of collective howls?

I need to settle down a sec before getting up from my desk….

"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess

by jtothep on Mar 31, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just walk it off

Then when someone looks at you in disgust, just look them dead in the eye and say, “Don’t act like you’re not impressed.”

by dawsonPSU10 on Apr 1, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still can't figure out

how some of those OL players in the picture were granted eligibility this year after transfering from PSU to Iowa in the off-season. I know that at least the scarecrow and the turnstile are listed on the Hawkeyes’ two-deep for the up-coming season.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Mar 29, 2010 11:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Don't sleep on Banana Peel

He might look unimposing, but slip and fall injuries ARE quite common in the United States.

We are gonna shock them with 5,000 mega watts of raw ROO POWER.

by psuwxman on Mar 29, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

We had a loooong conversation

over on BHGP on the merits of the banana peel. Most of it revolved around “Super Mario Kart”.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Mar 29, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you ask me

the banana peel was the most underrated weapon in Super Mario Kart. Many races were won thanks to a well placed banana.

by PSU4thewin on Apr 1, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was the crux of the argument.

Those who don’t appreciate it tried to get instant gratification with its use as opposed to dropping it and remembering it for future use i.e. pushing your competitors into it.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Apr 1, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hurray to Shrive repping The Electric City

also, I hope traffic cone works out hard over the summer

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by letsgopsu on Mar 29, 2010 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Incoming freshman

I saw Luke Graham at a track meet. He is 6’6, 290. Throws the shot put a mile.

by westpa on Mar 31, 2010 3:28 PM EDT reply actions  

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