Can You Spare a Dime for "Poor State University"
There was a shockingly candid article that appeared in the Post Gazette yesterday. In the article, Penn State associate athletic director of finance Rick Kaluza muses about what life will be like after Joe Paterno and the financial struggles the University is sure to endure.
Penn State officials also worry what will happen to the school's fundraising and budget once Paterno is no longer leading the program. He has two years remaining on his contract.
"Some people walk up to Joe now and just hand him a check, but we have no idea what's going to happen once coach Paterno is gone," Kaluza said. "It's the great unknown. Everyone knows he is a real bargain."
Paterno earned more than $1.03 million in 2008 in salary and bonuses, according to records released by the university, but that did not include outside compensation.
"If we go outside to hire a coach, we know what Mack Brown of Texas makes [$5.1 million] and we know what Nick Saban [$4.7 million] of Alabama makes," Kaluza said. "So, is that where we'll need to be? Probably. And that figure doesn't even include the assistant coaches.
"If we stay inside and [defensive coordinator] Tom Bradley is the new coach, then we can probably keep things a little closer to where we are now."
Oh, the horror. We'll probably have to cut the volleyball programs. Maybe we can keep fencing going, but they will most likely have to eat McDonalds and stay in cockroach infested motels when they travel. Because the new coach will have to take the private jet more often.
It's a scary scenario to think about. Except for the fact that the exact same article points out the following.
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Penn State coaching search:
“Does Ed DeChellis coach football too?”
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by ReadingRambler on Mar 3, 2010 10:05 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
+1
Does he fly?
"The name on the front of the jersey is what really matters, not the name on the back" --Joe Paterno
in all seriousness, though
we said a few weeks ago that dechellis is keeping the job because its his dream job. it just so happens that its a mediocre program. so its a fit. how many dudes out there want the Penn State job as their dream job? I imagine its quite a few! We’re what, 6th in all time wins? In the conference with 2 (3=ND; 4=TX_wink_) of the other schools on that short list. PSU likes to hire Penn Staters. They always have. Schiano, Golden, and I’m sure there are others—I want to think that this would be THEIR dream job, and they may have the talent to keep us happy, and the dedication to stay here.
Either way, I’ll continue pretending that the darkest day will never come. I choose to believe Paterno will be at the helm forever. Until he’s not.
"They stalk their prey to within two or three great leaps and then launch a lightning-fast charge, striking their prey. Victims are most often killed by suffocation with a prolonged bite..."--Hinterland Who's Who
Just so we're on the same page with Schiano
He’s a NJ guy who went to Bucknell and was a position coach at PSU for six years 15 years ago. I suspect PSU is a “dream job” in the sense that it’s a great coaching job and he’s been at PSU.
I know about your diabolical plan.
yeah, thanks for clarifying that
didn’t know that. with all the omg successor! talk a few years ago, i thought he was part of the pride. thanks.
"They stalk their prey to within two or three great leaps and then launch a lightning-fast charge, striking their prey. Victims are most often killed by suffocation with a prolonged bite..."--Hinterland Who's Who
But...
My thoughts could sway towards the wrestling program in saying when Troy left, they were going to look from within to coach. They were going to get a guy who coached here before but the university actually went out and found the best guy for the program! Now did the stars align and Cael want to come here and coach? It sounded like it! So the question now, is how do we go out and find a big name coach to “come to penn state” who wants to stay here, keep up the success with honor legacy Joe had, and still get paid chump change…. i don’t think it’s going to happen….
We’ll see though…. the wrestling program did it…. maybe the football program can go out and find that diamond also.
For the Glory of Old State
Don't think it's a great comparison.
There’s no pro wrestling, so if you’re dominating college wrestling you are already at the top. You also have so few schools that compete and long tenured coaches because there’s no where else to go; in football there are dozens of “top” programs that can win MNCs and most seem to have an opening every 3-5 years.
You also had, reported by some commenters anyway, a couple of boosters that basically paid the difference between Cael’s high salary and the DeChellis equivalent. In football you’ve already got most of those big boosters maxed out, I would guess.
I know about your diabolical plan.
What i was getting at was.....
we went for the best we could get in Cael Sanderson instead of staying from within (kind of) and getting Kerry(sp?) McCoy.
For the Glory of Old State
I think the fact that he names Tom Bradley is significant
Here is a member of administration openly discussing the next head coach and who does he name by name? Tom Bradley. I know this means little in actual changes, but it shows his name is on the minds of the powers that be.
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Certainly Significant
The only supposed / or perhaps ‘less than ideal’ resume item that I can think of against Tom Bradley (and I say this putting a critics hat on…ewww) is that he was not a head coach. Though we all know that he held the sidelines for PSU when Joe was in the box.
Why he is THE PSU MAN:
>he chose PSU for his school as a young man, academics/athletics
>he played under Joe
>he advanced up through the coaching ranks here ~ 31yrs now
>he’s helped build part of what PSU has been branded (on & off the field)
>he’s obviously familiar with the PSU ‘way’; faculty/staff/administration know him & vise-versa
> he’s not in it for the $$$. He could have left the program years ago and made more than Joe, if that were the case
PSU’s interest (I believe) is to keep PSU, – P S U in all the ways it has positively and progressively evolved. There is one know man out there (in there) who can achieve this…so let’s not complicate the transition.
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Mar 3, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Funny you'd show that picture
because Bobby Bowden needs a job…
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Mar 4, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
There's a lot about this story I was shocked by,
someone on the “inside” naming names was probably the most significant.
I know about your diabolical plan.
To be fair
It’s this guy’s job to worry about these kinds of things.
But yeah I don’t think PSU will have too much trouble raising money as long as they keep winning and they don’t hire me as head coach.
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
Yeah
This article just rubbed me the wrong way. With the Forbes report coming out this week, and the changes to the ticket policy and all the revenue soon to be coming in from that, and the unbelievable success of the BTN, it just strikes me as petty to be complaining about having to pay a lot of money to the next coach. Of all the schools out there, Penn State has the weakest excuse to complain about money. I would argue we’re even in a better position than Texas and Notre Dame at this point. If NBC wakes up one day and decides it would rather broadcast PBA bowling on Saturday afternoons, they’re screwed. And Texas is tied to the Big XII which is ripe to be picked apart right now due to their lopsided deal where they keep a bigger piece of the pie for themselves.
Mike
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The STEP program should help create younger donating schemes
I think that the AD will make the right choice, but we shouldn’t be surprised to see accountants worrying about that bottom line. I agree PSU is in a great position and they should really take more scheduling risks in football and basketball.
That said, I’m still nervous about the eventual replacement. I think it’s got to be a guy from the PSU family.
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
The Forbes report
is i) old news; and ii) not a ranking of “most profitable” football programs, but rather most “valuable.” So, ND doesn’t generate the same amount of revenue as Penn State (they don’t, according to Forbes), but they’re ranked as more valuable, because they COULD generate a lot more money than Penn State if they wanted to, by say joining the big 10 and selling naming rights for the stadium, etc.
Same thing applies to TX, I think, though they do generate a ton of cash right now. Even if the big 12 falls apart, TX football is still a money making machine. According to Forbes, they have the potential to make more money than any other program in the country.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
Its all terrifying.
I don’t think money is going to be an issue with a new coach. I think perhaps they would say that so when they inevitably hire from within the program, they have an excuse for everyone who thinks that is not the best route. You know, the people that will shout “NEPOTISM” if we don’t go outside. It appears to be some form of posturing if you ask me. Even if we do hire outside the program, which coach (that has been reasonably assumed to be a target) would command that? Golden? Schiano, I mean really? I guess maybe a Dungy or Cowher, but those were pipedreams anyways. I would guess they end up giving Bradley a 2-3 million dollar deal anyways, with a significant raise to LJSR to stay on board.
But I mean, it is terrifying to think of. Like leaving home for the first time type of thing. We have the best set up in the world at PSU and its scary as hell to think of that ending. Sooner rather than later.
That may not be coherent. Sorry. Damn 8 ams.
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Hey, if people get mocked in Fanposts for reposting info from Fanshots, why can’t we mock posts on the front page?
On a serious note, there is also the extra money coming in from the Big 10 Network. With all the extra money in the conference recently, I will be surprised if there aren’t more Rich Rod like hires. Lets just hope Penn State isn’t one of them.
yeah yeah yeah
It literally takes 10 seconds to put up a fanshot. It takes a little longer to put together a front page post. If I passed up opportunities to post because someone beat me to it in the fanshots, there wouldn’t be much to talk about.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
Sorry, Mike.
"It’s just that, reading through this thread, it appears you’re getting your ass kicked." -jtothep
by ReadingRambler on Mar 3, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
It also takes more effort to put up a fanpost than a fanshot.
That is assuming you aren’t copying and pasting the Alma Mater to get past the minimum length.
I am being facetious, by the way, I can’t tell from your response if you took my initial post seriously. Damn the internet for not properly conveying tone.
by VVeRPennState on Mar 3, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
It's a'ight
Just sayin. It gets annoying sometimes when someone throws up a fanshot on a new verbal commit that just announced 5 sec ago and says, “Where’s the siren?”
Contrary to popular belief, your BSD hosts actually have lives outside of the blog.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
Contrary to popular belief, your BSD hosts actually have lives outside of the blog.
Maybe I should get a job here?
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by ReadingRambler on Mar 3, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
? You mean
you aren’t getting paid?!?
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by BlueWhiteLife on Mar 3, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
You already work for us, Rambler.
Now get back in that kitchen. The dishes won’t wash themselves.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Mar 4, 2010 9:57 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Si, glorious Hawk jefe.
P.S. I don’t know what a Junny is either.
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by ReadingRambler on Mar 4, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Its cooler than a Hawkeye State.
Didnt that guy die on MASH? Loser.
"Have I ever told the story of when I met Miley Cyrus?"
I dunno, you're the TV guy, shouldn't you know?
At least we know what a Hawkeye State IS…
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by ReadingRambler on Mar 4, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
But you also now know
what a yiffer is, so knowledge isn’t always power.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Mar 4, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
You guys are doucheas
"It’s just that, reading through this thread, it appears you’re getting your ass kicked." -jtothep
by ReadingRambler on Mar 4, 2010 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
Contrary to popular belief, most of your BSD hosts actually have lives outside of the blog.
Fixed.
"Have I ever told the story of when I met Miley Cyrus?"
Look on the bright side,
you beat Rittenberg to posting the link by two full hours and his commentary isn’t even long enough for a fanpost.
by VVeRPennState on Mar 3, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Trustees
I know a trustee or two, you know those rich guys that give dump trucks full of cash to the university every year.
The people I know are ready to pony up for a new coach, they want a high profile guy, and they want someone from outside the program. They’ve been on Joe’s ass for almost a decade now (or longer), and the only thing that has kept them from riding him out of town is that every time Joe’s on the ropes he bounces back and has a great season.
I’m not saying these guys will get their way, and I’m not indicating I know anything specific or juicy (I definitely don’t), but these guys toss around a million dollars like most people do a $20. If the school wants a Nick Saban, these guys will pony up.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
I'm kind of shocked, although someone will say I shouldn't be
that the trustees are that eager to go outside the program. We haven’t exactly been failures with the guys currently on the staff, and you take a huge risk to “The Penn State Way” by going outside the program.
What are the chances this guy said what he said as a bargaining ploy
to put out in the media the fact that PSU does not have an endless supply of money. I say this based on the timing and out-of-the-ordinary candor of the article.
With the noted tie-in to the
Forbes article, as Mike noted…“…3rd most profitable institution..” – who’d buy it?
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Mar 3, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but I'm sure they read that too and said
Oh, sh*t, we need to get something out there that we are in a pinch so that our next coach does not start the negotiation at $11/ yr.
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not obscure enough
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by psu in the w-b on Mar 3, 2010 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
Ed Dechellis
We could pay him 20$ more to coach both football and basketball thus leading us to dual national championships.
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
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This is my future horror scenario:
I think the AD would be perfectly content being a second-tier Big Ten school.
It’s very easy to imagine a scenario. JoePa retires and Tom Bradley gets elevated to head coach on the cheap. Some assistants leave for greener pastures, but four or five guys stay on. After eight years PSU’s record under Bradley is 60-40 with nothing but an Outback Bowl victory and a Cap One appearance to show for the era. The Athletic Department will to continue him on because the stadium is still full, he puts together winning seasons (with laughably easy non-con opponents) and firing coaches "isn’t what we do at Penn State"?
It would STINK being a Nittany Lion football fan. I hope this doesn’t occur.
I don't think it would occur.
The boosters are a fickle bunch and so are the fans. I remember there being a lot of anger in 2007 – an 8-4 year.
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by ReadingRambler on Mar 3, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
I know a lot of us, especially fugi, have our issues with Curley and his Scrooge McDuck love for $$$
but do you really think he’d be HAPPY that we were a second tier program? If there’s one thing Curley knows best it’s how to make the department boatloads of cash. Throwing football to the wolves, or risking us losing the past glory in a post-JoePa era would be a HUGE error in money making.
If we bring some guy who doesn’t hold the PSU principles dear to his heart, then tradition is damaged, and when tradition is damaged you lose some of your fan base (especially if they go through the program you love and change everything around). Curley might love money, but he’s not an idiot.
I’m totally agreeing on you about this being a horror scenario, but it’s SOOOO illogical that it seems to be a near impossibility of it actually occuring.
Right, this is not basketball.
If there’s a need to get funds to hire the best possible head football coach, those funds will be collected. It’s not like basketball where we’re essentially forced to hire a mediocre coach at the lowest salary in the Big Ten because there aren’t eager boosters willing to pitch in a few million dollars. I’m quite sure that we have many rich alumni who are dying to throw money into the pot and stamp their influence on the post-Paterno era.
Maybe Bradley’s the best guy for the job, who could possibly know? But if he’s the hire, they have to be prepared for a lot of re-shuffling on the coaching staff. Hall and Anderson would be gone. Jay’s probably your new offensive coordinator. LJ…who knows if he’s be satisfied as the D.C. after he’s been passed over.
I’m utterly shocked that Bradley’s name was brought up. Oh, and the plane thing? They better knock that notion out of their heads right now — that’s a necessary tool for any big-time football program not currently run by Joe Paterno. You know why Joe doesn’t use the plane? Because he’s Joe F’ing Paterno and he’s 83 years old. He doesn’t feel like it, and results mostly prove tha the doesn’t need it. It’s a whole different story for the next coach.
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by Run Up The Score on Mar 3, 2010 11:28 AM EST reply actions
The Plane Thing
That cracked me up too. Raise ticket prices by $0.01 and you gain $350,000. $7000 is a rounding error in the PSU athletic budget.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
There seems to be an error in my math
I can’t do anything without a spreadsheet anymore.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Mar 4, 2010 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
Don't use Office 2007.
You’ll never hear the end of it.
"Have I ever told the story of when I met Miley Cyrus?"
Getting Bradley on the cheap
I’m shocked this guy was so willing to say that they expect to get Bradley at a similar bargain. Neither he nor LJ are going to command big money, but still, even if you think it, don’t say it. A) it’s insulting, especially to a guy who has probably passed up on more lucrative jobs to stay at Penn St., and B) it’s bad strategy.(Not that Scrap is going to listen to this clown.) You would think a finance director would have a better sense for negotiation, not to mention communications.
by Illegal Formation on Mar 3, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe my radar's broken
Ordinarily I would think this is some sort of controlled leak, but it really does sound like Mr. Kaluza was a loose cannon here, or didn’t quite realize what he was saying and where it would be quoted.
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"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Mar 3, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Is it news to anyone, including Scrap, that he wouldn't command
the same salary as someone from the outside? I want the University to hire Tom Bradley and I want him to be paid his fair market value, which is more than what Joe Pa earns, but likely less than what we would have to pay Schianno or someone else who, you know, has been a major D1 head coach before.
If Scrap gets another contrat after a couple of big 10 championships, then pay him as much as other top-flight coaches make, but until that time comes, an internal coach, without head coaching experience, simply has a lower market value than an experienced outside head coach.
That’s the reality; this clown from the AD’s office said it; what’s the problem?
Half the problem with the world is that no one is honest anymore. And it’s easy to see why: as soon as someone says something that everyone already knows, he gets beaten up on the blogosphere for being cheap.
I don’t get what the problem is. I pretty much judge the PSU athletic office on how well the football program does. That’s it. If the football team performs, some much the better for the university if they manage to do that on the cheap.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
I’m just really surprised he said it, in addition to naming Bradley in the first place. Unusual for the AD’s office
by Illegal Formation on Mar 3, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
but what did this guy really say?
He said two things that are already amazingly obvious to anyone who follows penn state football: a) if they hire a coach from inside the program, it will likely be Tom Bradley. I know that some people prefer LJ Sr, and you could argue that Galen is a reasonable candidate, but does anyone really thinkt that Tom Bradley isn’t the front-runner for internal candidates? and b) if they hire someone from inside, that person would be cheaper than an external candidate. Which as I argued above, is also intuitively obvious.
So this guy says what everyone already knows, and he’s an idiot or a villian for it? Or he should be dressed down because we’re bored on a Wednesday afternoon?
I say: promote Kaluza. Kaluza for AD. We need more people who call it like they see it.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
Hopefully....
When Joe is done…. we can get a new Strength/Conditioning program as well
For the Glory of Old State
Oh please
we all know that it’s the Knee Hating God causing mass destruction for PSU players’ knees , not the S&C program.
Stupid Knee Hating God
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Mar 3, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
Holy Crap
Don’t bring that crap over here.
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
No, it's "Don't bring dat weak-ass s**t in my kitchen"
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by ReadingRambler on Mar 3, 2010 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
Essentially
I just do not want to hear about the strength program. That’s PennLive material right there.
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S/C is...
my career…. as long as PS has that program…. they won’t compete…..Its not the main problem… but the HIT program is old…. Thats all i’m saying on that topic.
For the Glory of Old State
Wait, just so I'm hearing you right
You mean the past few years where we’ve beaten 2 OMG SEC schools in bowls, won the conference twice, and had 11 wins 3 out of the past 5 years, we HAVEN’T been competing?
If our strength and conditioning program makes us uncompetitive,
I would hate to see Indiana’s S/C program.
by VVeRPennState on Mar 5, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
News
I get 3 things from the article:
1. Joe has been an unparalleled value.
2. We shouldn’t expect that of the next coach.
3. It’s probably Tom Bradley’s job if he wants it, followed by a large group of people including but not limited to (in no order): LJ Sr., Jim Caldwell, Bill Cowher, Al Golden, JayPa, and Greg Schiano.
None of this is news to any PSU fan. How long ’til the Blue-White game?
Reach out; touch faith.
Eventually, this will all be fascinating.
New money vs. old money, internal vs. external, Bradley vs. LJ, trustees vs. Spanier/Curley. It’s going to play out in spectacular fashion, one way or another.
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Mar 3, 2010 11:54 AM EST reply actions
They should turn it into a reality show and use the proceeds to
pay the coach. That worked out so well for the selection of Sportscenter anchors….and when I say well, i mean that Jack Edwards needed some colleagues to broadcast high school archery tournaments.
by cpm126 on Mar 3, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, winner Mike Hall is doing simply swell
with fellow ESPN castoff Dave Revsine on the Big Ten network.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
Considered a rec for the Jack Edwards mention alone...
but the high school archery bit put it way over the top. Nicely done.
They need to build out the stadium
to 140,000 seats and raise more revenue. Inflation is going to increase the cost of jet fuel.
/sarcasm
This article outlines the number one reason I won’t pay for a ticket to a Youngstown State game. Boise State is looking for a one-and-done, give them a phone call.
I feel like a donkey
This Joe retirement saga is like a leading donkey with a carrot tied to a string and they’re leading the poor bastard on and on for 20+ years. Maybe the donkey doesn’t even like carrots, he actually just likes walking, but they keep dangling the frickin carrot anyway.
What I’m trying to say is, I feel like a donkey and Joe’s retirement is a carrot tied to a string tied to a stick being dangled by Penn State as they ride my ass around. I don’t want the damn carrot, ok?

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
by millzners on Mar 3, 2010 12:47 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Wait a minute...
who’s the donkey and who’s the carrot?
Maybe the donkey IS the carrot. Whoah.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
IMPORTANT NOTES:
1. Ever hear of Rich Kaluza before? No? Don’t bet on ever hearing from him again. Doubtful he’s going to be giving many more interviews…. not sure he’s the voice the AD’s office wants the public to hear. I can assure you no one in power green lighted this interview.
2. Donations aren’t going to stop when Joe retires. UNLESS – the administration butchers his exit, as they almost did in ‘04. Now, it seems they’ve learned the error of their ways, and will let Joe call the shots, provided we’re still performing at our current level of New Year’s Bowls and top Big Ten finishes.
3. Trustees won’t get the final vote on who the next coach is, and even if they do…. don’t bet on them being eager to bring in a new hotshot coach from the outside. They like things “the Penn State Way”. Success with Honor, and so forth. And, there’s no guarantee that “the Penn State Way” lives on when they hire Lane Kiffin, Brian Kelly, or whatever the coach du jour is when Joe retires.
Heh, wish I had scrolled down sooner.
That’s what I meant in the “maybe my radar’s broken” comment above. I don’t know who this guy is, but there’s no way the AD wanted those quotes out in the public.
I think it’s telling that Bradley was the default choice for his quote, though. That’s where we’re headed.
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Mar 3, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
After spending a day on this, I’m actually kind of inclined to agree with spakajewia in the sense that there’s nothing inherently wrong with what he did (i.e. saying everything we already knew), however, I’m still completely shocked that it happened.
The longer this goes the more I think we’re in for a much smoother ride than anyone would have guess 5-10 years ago. Bradley gets hired as a very safe bet, LJSR probably picks up a couple extra 100k, Jay takes over the offense after several season of solid offensive performance. No one is really pissed, even if they don’t love it.
So we end up with the same hierarchy of donors and ticket holders, 70% of the same staff, and mostly business as usual.
I know about your diabolical plan.
The problem with this plan is that it might only be viable as a Plan A.
I believe as soon as we start interviewing the Greg Schiano and Jim Caldwells of the world, we will start to bleed assistants. No one wants to wait around to figure out who the head coach is going to be to find out whether they have a job or not.
by VVeRPennState on Mar 3, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
I know they won't to the coach-in-waiting thing
but I’d be surprised if this thing involves any “waiting around.” Especially after this article, I bet it goes: Joe quietly says he’s done in October (of whatever year this fantasy takes place), they quietly ask TB in November, he says yes, people find out before the bowl game, JoePa is on every TV station for a month or so, no one really has a chance to bolt and blame it on instability.
Am I’m dreaming here?
I know about your diabolical plan.
I don't know.
First off I think the announcement comes after the bowl game not before. I just don’t see Paterno wanting the whole game being about him. So in my scenario the process begins in January. At that point a lot of college jobs get filled very quickly. If Penn State drags its feet on making a decision, which I think is incredibly possible, then it becomes harder and harder for the assistant coaches to stay. When you are making the kind of money most assistants are, its a huge risk to wait for the next coach to be named and risk that he might want to clean house causing you to spend a year unemployed.
by VVeRPennState on Mar 3, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
My thinking
When Paterno quits, it will be sudden. He’s going to keep coaching until his health will no longer allow it. And that will most likely come on pretty quickly when it does.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Mar 3, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
Unfortunately Joe’s health is going to be the catalyst, and that’s out of everyone’s control. That broken leg is a good example of how sudden a health crisis can be when you’re 83, I often wonder how close he was to retiring when that happened.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
He probably wasn't close to retirement when that happened, IMO
It was a sudden injury, and from what he says in interviews, etc. Joe doesn’t seem to have a plan for leaving. He feels good, which is his gauge as to how effectively he can run the program. When THAT changes, he’ll know it’s time, and I’m guessing most of us wont see it coming.
I honestly believed that when I went to that MSU pep rally in rec hall at the end of the 2008 season, I was going to be seeing the last of Joe, I was expecting to be sobbing uncontrollably, and being absolutely inconsolable. Then, he shocked me, and probably half the people in Rec Hall when he flat out said, “Ignore what you’ve been hearing, when I’m back on that field- when I RUN out on that field next year..”
Lesson I learned: never underestimate Joe Paterno.
Shocked because typically PSU controls the message like the Kremlin
Not too many free speaking people sticking their head up to get quotes in the paper.
by Tailgate Shogun on Mar 3, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
one day, I'd like to see Penn State on the US News' Top 25 universities list
I don’t know where Penn State is going these days. It seems it exists solely to generate money. Whenever I got back to PA, I see Penn State bumper stickers on cars, Penn State flags on houses, Penn State lion dolls in freaking Rutter’s. When I’m at a game, we bow down to our corporate sponsors every ten minutes. Has tuition gone up since I graduated in ’97? The answer is probably yes. So where is all this money going? For more buildings? To expand the empire?
Thankfully it doesn’t go to someone like JoePa, right? Oh the horrors that Penn State will experience when he retires. His Catholic sainthood has kept the university from the harsh realities of a cruel outside world so that dear Ole State may horde as much money as possible.
Ugh, I hate writing this stuff, but that’s how I feel. But people like Kaluza need to grow up. One day, he’s gonna have to write another zero at the end of the check to keep the engine running because the free oil from the JoePa derricks ain’t gonna insulate us anymore.
The athletic department is self sufficient.
Ticket prices, coaches salary, and corporate sponsorships have absolutely nothing to do with tuition rates, new buildings, or more research money. On the other hand having a successful football program has shown a direct link to application rates. When applications go up, the school can be more selective and the quality of the average student goes up. This in turn improves our ranking. Its very hard to make an argument that the way Penn State has handled the football team has done anything but improve the academic standing of the university.
by VVeRPennState on Mar 3, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
My whole point
was that athletic money, and all monies for that matter, should go to education, and not more buildings or endeavors that exist solely for self promotion and more monies. Football money supposedly, from what I heard, keeps tuition nominally low. If that’s an urban legend, then I’m in the dark on that one.
I agree with the football part.
by Mr. Rosewater on Mar 3, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
its an urban legend
football “profits,” simply go to fund the rest of the athletic programs, i.e. volleyball, wrestling, fencing, etc. they’re completely seperate from the academic funds.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
Although Mr. Rosewater is right, it does in a sense lower tuition.
The simple fact that they are separate, lowers tuition as students are no longer paying to support the women’s fencing team. Compare this to an institution like Harvard (which has one of it not the biggest athletic department in the NCAA) which needs to increase tuition whenever their athletic department’s budget increases.
But I disagree with his idea that money that is reinvested into the institution with the goal of increasing future revenue is in some way wasted.
by VVeRPennState on Mar 3, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
hmmm
I’d bet you dollars to dimes that Harvard doesn’t make non-athletes subsidize the tuition of athletes. (A few points on this. Like all ivy league schools, Harvard offers no athletic scholarships, but they do routinely offer scholarships to student-athletes that are “academic scholarships.” But they fulfill those costs not by raising the tuition from everyone else, but rather by using donations directed towards athletic programs to pay for the scholarships. I would bet that Harvard’s athletic department is self-sufficient just like Penn State, but whereas most PSU athletic money comes from ticket sales, ad revenue and tv contracts, most of Harvard’s come from private donations.)
Maybe schools like Juniata (not to pick on the eagles) pay for their athletic programs by increasing the tuition for regular schools, but I’m not sure that you can consider not-paying-for-athletic-programs an avoided cost in PSU tuition.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
True, maybe Harvard was a bad example.
They have billions of dollars on hand anyway. But it is certainly true for most DII and DIII programs. For them the athletic department is not that different then the drama or music department.
by VVeRPennState on Mar 3, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
What is that TS says?
“Cash rules everything around Spanier, ese”? Point being, is there a chance that Spanier’s goal is to keep academics at a good level and make his name famous by building lots of new buildings? Or is PSU building to grow academics?
"It’s just that, reading through this thread, it appears you’re getting your ass kicked." -jtothep
by ReadingRambler on Mar 3, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The whole building/academic thing goes hand in hand for the most part.
When the new business building was completed a few years ago, we skyrocketed up the business school rankings. After the Architecture/LArchitecture building was finished I think we rose to the #1 LArch position.
New fancy buildings and facilities attract more students, attention and even faculty. Better faculty and resources mean higher rankings, so on so forth.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
C.R.E.A.S.E.
Thank you for listening to the Gospel according to Shogun. Also glad to see that my “Penn State exists to make money & not get sued” tag line has been getting more play on this site lately.
by Tailgate Shogun on Mar 3, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
Has tuition gone up since '97????
Well, if you were a Senior getting a bachelor’s degree in Business in Spring ’97, you paid $2,717 for the semester. $5,887 if you were a non-PA resident.
If you are a Senior getting a bachelor’s in Businees in Spring ’09, you paid $7,452 for the semester. $13,210 if you were a non-PA student.
Tuition has ballooned 87% above the rate of inflation in the last twelve years.
you need to look at that number in context though
what’s the national average for tuition increases? the average among top 25 or top 50 universities?
What’s happened with funding from the state government during that time? And are students getting a better or worse education now than they were then?
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
In PA state funding for secondary education dropped like a stone.
I’ll give credit to Graham Spanier as he really totally reshaped alumni giving to make up a lot of the difference.
The average price of in-state tuition vs out-of-state tuition for 2008-2009 was $6,585 for a in-state 4-year college to $17,452 for out-of-state 4 year college. Keep in mind this is for a YEAR whereas I had the costs per semester for PSU.
The last item is a bit qualitative but a portion of that is based on simple return-on-investment. Was my degree worth $2,000 in student loans that I had to pay off? Yes. Is it worth $40,000+ in student loans as it would be now if I were an out-of-state PSU student? I would say no.
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Has tuition gone up since I graduated in ’97? The answer isprobablyhell yes.
I know about your diabolical plan.
The extra tuition money, at least from what I've gathered is going to maintaining PSU as is
The construction projects are paid for in advance from what I’ve heard, like the new Millennium Science Complex. Rendell criticized us for that project when we were complaining about state funding, but PSU responded by saying that project was paid for already, and wouldn’t save any money by stopping construction.
The problem is that with the economy in a down swing, the state isn’t putting as much focus into higher education of the state-related schools as they are with legalizing slots. The tuition increases in the past few years have been to make up the difference that the state won’t give us, and donors can’t cover, so the only option is to make students pay more. This is my understanding anyway, someone could probably explain it better or tell me where I’m completely wrong.
Who said he was complaining?
Where in the article does it say this guy was complaining? He was simply stating facts. The most interesting thing he did was mention that Tom Bradley is on the radar, and that he’ll probably make a lot less (surprise) than anyone brought in from the outside would. Interesting thought: if PSU doesn’t name someone from inside to replace Joe, how many of the existing coaches would leave? I suspect Bradley could get another school to pay him quite handsomely, as could LJ.
Just a thought.
Has the fact that JoePa’s salary been vastly under market value caused the basketball program to suffer through mediocrity all these years? It would seem to me that one reason we haven’t had a “name” basketball coach is because we weren’t willing to pay him market value as well. I can’t believe that the powers in charge would allow the salary of a coach in another sport (one that doesn’t bring in nearly the same amount of revenue as football) to excede JoePa’s salary. So one could conclude that JoePa = basketball failure. By paying Bradley fair market share might get us a hoops coach that could recruit real D-I players.
No.
We haven’t gotten a “name” basketball coach because there are no boosters for basketball.
And Talor Battle, Jamelle Cornley, Geary Claxton were all real D-1 players, and Peter Alexis and Taran Buie are both fairly touted (moreso in Buie’s case). Ed’s problem isn’t recruiting.
"It’s just that, reading through this thread, it appears you’re getting your ass kicked." -jtothep
by ReadingRambler on Mar 3, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
What ^ said.
He’s 6’11 from Wilkes-Barre and was rated 23rd among centers by some recruiting service IIRC.
"It’s just that, reading through this thread, it appears you’re getting your ass kicked." -jtothep
by ReadingRambler on Mar 3, 2010 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
Is this the new skins4ever?
Haven’t we talked about this issue ad nauseum this basketball season?
For the glory
by Paige2PSU on Mar 3, 2010 10:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I can understand if you don't want to spend 5 million
on a Mack Brown. May I suggest a shiny Tim Brewster for around 1 million a year?
/sarcasm (I wouldn’t wish him on a team I like. He’s just fine for Minn. though)
It never gets to be easy
Seriously
Mack Brown is the best coach in America…in the month of February. When you look at the talent that guy brings in and he only has, what, three conference championshps? One national championship? In 12 or 13 years?
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Mar 3, 2010 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
Texas could spend 50 dollars tops on a high quality cardboard cutout of Hank Hill and go 10-2 every year.
I mean, come on.
"It’s just that, reading through this thread, it appears you’re getting your ass kicked." -jtothep
by ReadingRambler on Mar 3, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah I’m consistently shocked by Texas’s under performing, but I guess it just goes with the territory. They are, in a lot of ways, exactly like USC. They have twice the talent of most of the schools they play, but they’re stocked with prima donas and kids that may not really give 100% every day.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
This is why you don't let finance guys do interviews.
I know, because I’m a finance guy.

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