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Usually, these game recaps are preceded by "Game Notes", posts that are basically my observations and observations from others watching games as they happen.  I like them because they typically reflect the ebb and flow of a college basketball game, and give readers the chance to look back on what people were saying about games as they were going on.

Thursday night, however, I scrapped the game notes, because mid-way through the second half, I realized I'd written the same paragraph in about five different ways.

During Penn State's 67-65 loss to Michigan State at the Breslin Center Thursday night, you couldn't help but wonder what Penn State was doing in the game.  The Lions turned the ball over too much.  They got pounded on the glass.  They were out shot.  And yet late in the second half, there they were, leading a team with a conference crown to play for.

Ultimately, Penn State fell short, as it felt like they would much of the evening, but amazingly, they only fell short by a bucket.  I'm not one for moral victories, but it was encouraging to see Penn State stay in the game with such a good opponent despite not having its best stuff.

Star-divide

 Penn State trailed the Spartans pretty much from the get-go.  At halftime, the Lions were down seven, and that had been the separation for much of the preceding half.  It was also the margin they found themselves down through much of the second half, at least until the very end.

That's when Penn State kicked it into gear, and rallied to go up two on Michigan State late in the ball game.  But lo, it was not to be.  The Spartans rallied in their own building, and managed to hold on for the win after a frantic, last second scramble by Penn State's Talor Battle failed to yield a final shot from the Lions.

The Good

It was another balanced scoring night for the Nittany Lion starters.  Battle, Chris Babb, Jeff Brooks, and David Jackson all scored in double figures and Andrew Jones managed seven points despite dealing with foul trouble throughout the game.  We've seen balance offensively against teams like Northwestern and Michigan lately, but  to see the Lions do it against an opponent as good as Michigan State was very encouraging.

Penn State was resilient Thursday night.  Twice in the second half, the Lions trailed by as many as 10, and but refused to down by any more and were able to take the game right down to the final possessions.  They took Sparty's best punch a couple of times late in the game, but hung in and managed to keep the game close despite the fact they were getting handled in several other areas.

 And this isn't so much an aspect of Thursday night specifically as it is the season as a whole, but despite his shortcomings, Ed Dechellis always finds a way to motivate these players.  They may not have the guts to hit a late shot, or the intestinal fortitude to make every play down the stretch, but Ed has done a fine job keeping them motivated, and competing at a high level, even in the team's many defeats.

The Bad

The bench scored a whopping point Thursday night, an Andrew Ott free throw.  Beyond that, nothing.  The bench was key in Sunday's win over Northwestern, but it went missing against the Spartans, and the Lions payed a heavy price losing narrowly.  It goes without saying that Penn State's reserves need to work on consistency now that they've proved they can go into games and make a difference.

 The Lions let this game ride on cruise control for too long.  For the better part of the first 25 minutes, Penn State just kind of existed out on the court.  To their credit, the Lions never let the Spartans get too far ahead, but at the same time, they left fans wondering when they were going to flip the light switch, something that didn't happen until it was too late for the Lions, unfortunately. 

The Ugly

Penn State got destroyed on the glass.  Michigan State outrebounded Penn State 39-24, and 14-5 on the offensive glass.  The extra possessions the Lions gave the Spartans really ended up being the difference in the game.  Sure, Michigan State is an excellent rebounding team, but numbers like that can be tough to swallow regardless.

The final possession was painful, even though it really wasn't Battle's fault.  When Michigan State missed its second free throw, Battle was forced to run the length of the floor with the clock rolling, which ultimately kept him from getting a final shot off down two at the buzzer.

Up Next

The Lions take on a Robbie Hummell-less Purdue on Saturday at the Bryce Jordan Center before heading to the Big Ten tournament next week.

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I thought it was a good performance

If there’s such a thing as a good loss, this qualifies. Ed can tell the guys to hold their head up because they were right there with a chance to win the game at the end against a team everyone considers to be one of the best in the nation. They just gave up too many easy baskets down low and had a few too many turnovers. MSU put together a few runs to put them down by double digits but they didn’t panic and came back a few times.

I’m really pleased with the progress this team has made the past three weeks.

by BSD on Mar 5, 2010 7:58 AM EST reply actions  

Hummell-less B10 Tournament

After watching everyone play for the last month and a half and the injury to Hummell, my feelings on teams’ tournament chances: Ohio State – 30% chance of winning it, Purdue / Michigan State – 15% each, Illinois / Wisconsin – 8% each, PSU / Minnesota / Michigan / Northwestern – 6% each, Indiana / Iowa – 0%.

I feel like OSU is the best team in the league and they have a chance (at least) to lock up a 2 seed, so it’s not like the tournament is meaningless to them, but I still would take the field more than 2:1 over them. Let’s just hope PSU can play the way they have been, hit their free throws, and not get jobbed on too many calls.

Reach out; touch faith.

by ckmneon on Mar 5, 2010 8:05 AM EST reply actions  

No love for Club Tril?

I know Titus is out, but have you seen how hard Danny Peters slaps the board during warmups?

by gumbercules on Mar 5, 2010 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Didja read that one post on BHGP?

They found some guy who played for an HBCU in Miss. He played for 31 minutes…and did nothing. Nothing. No points, no fouls, no assists, literally nothing. That’s simply incredible.

"It’s just that, reading through this thread, it appears you’re getting your ass kicked." -jtothep

by ReadingRambler on Mar 5, 2010 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Just read it now.

That is amazing. I want to watch a replay of that game, and somebody needs to interview that guy.

by gumbercules on Mar 5, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Was he

eating a two fisted ham sandwich during the entire game?

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Mar 5, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

That seems utterly impossible.

At that point you almost have to be trying to get a multi-trillion.

by SpartanDan on Mar 6, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Some thoughts

You left out some incredible plays. That foul by Edwards with 11 seconds left was incredible hustle and he showed a lot of heart there.

Jones fouling out was monstorous. Izzo teams usually dominate the glass to begin with, but it forced PSU to move DJ to center and go to zone, which Morgan and Lucas were able to pick apart. Where was Ott you may ask? No way could he have made it in this game, MSU would have attacked and attacked and attacked him. Ed was forced to go small because Izzo moved Morgan to center.

The one bad play was Babb’s quick trigger 3, but that had the potential to be the old “No no no no, YES!” shot because he was hot. Sadly it was an ugly brick and a horrible shot.

Last sequence was an incredibly savy defensive play by Lucas on Battle. He goated him to the sideline, stepped in and forced him to spin. Great play by Lucas.

With a tie game, PSU when to an extremely active Chaney-esque man/zone combo, and it clearly flustered MSU. One time, MSU was bailed out by a great drive by Morgan to draw a foul. The other, PSU forced a shot clock violation. I was impressed with this seeings how our tallest player was 6’7" at the time.

That game swung when Jones came out, even Lavin said something serious for once along the lines of, this is a huge blow for Penn State and it will be interesting to see what they do now. Michigan State knew they could be patient on defense, move the ball against the zone, and get easy shots at the rim or draw fouls.

by STU Boy on Mar 5, 2010 8:18 AM EST reply actions  

Yes to all of this.

There was really nothing Battle could do in those last few seconds. As soon as the rebound was bobbled, Lucas latched onto Battle and Talor couldn’t go anywhere. Great defensive play.

I still have no idea how we stayed in that game last night when we had absolutely no right to do so. Tough group of players. Undersized and undertalented, but tough as hell.

Twitter: @scrappled

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by Run Up The Score on Mar 5, 2010 8:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Last Night

was the first chance I’ve seen PSU play since the early/pre-season tournament debacle. Last night, I saw a team that was much improved. It still may not be a “good” team, but I think the teams recent play is a positive moving into next year.

Never mistake effort for achievement.

All normal people love meat. If I went to a barbeque and there was no meat, I would say 'Yo Goober! Where's the meat?' - HJS

by Esteban d' Amur on Mar 5, 2010 9:03 AM EST reply actions  

Tom Izzo won this game when he got Jones out.

Still, I have no real complaints from last night.

And again, I think we’re going to beat Purdue.

"It’s just that, reading through this thread, it appears you’re getting your ass kicked." -jtothep

by ReadingRambler on Mar 5, 2010 9:44 AM EST reply actions  

Depends

Can Jones stay out of foul trouble? If so, they have a fighting chance. If not, Johnson will abuse Ott.

by STU Boy on Mar 5, 2010 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

It's obvious that Ott is hurt

And it’s not like he’s Moses Malone out there even when he’s healthy. Ed’s just trying to steal minutes with Ott right now, and it’s not working.

Twitter: @scrappled

"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee

by Run Up The Score on Mar 5, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

I would take a hurt Ott over a not-yet-ready Sasa though to defend Johnson.

by STU Boy on Mar 5, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe, maybe not.

Johnson hasn’t been playing really well as of late and he sometimes seems to think he should play near the 3 point line.

"It’s just that, reading through this thread, it appears you’re getting your ass kicked." -jtothep

by ReadingRambler on Mar 5, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

3's and 1's down the stretch

I’m not a basketball guy, but what I noticed was most apparent was we were making 3’s and foul shots down the stretch. That game could have been a 10 point loss if we had shot 3’s and FT’s like we have in the past, but we shot really well and hung on. Every time I thought MSU would pull away for good we fought back.

The play that stuck out to me the most was that lane violation during the 2nd FT, where battle leaned over and touched the floor. It felt like momentum had swung in our favor, and the missed FT and resulting rebound really seemed to be a big moment. When it was taken back and he made the FT it felt like the air was taken out of the team a little.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Mar 5, 2010 10:29 AM EST reply actions  

For the record

That’s a brutal call. Let it go with 2 minutes left. I would have said the same thing if that was called on MSU i swear.

by STU Boy on Mar 5, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh and

How about some love for the play Ed drew up out of the timeout with a minute left in the game? With 13 seconds on the shot clock, he got Jackson I good look for 3 and the lead.

by STU Boy on Mar 5, 2010 10:55 AM EST reply actions  

HE SHOULD BE FIRED FOR GIVING OUR TEAM FALSE HOPE LIKE THAT!

WHO DOES HE THINK HE IS?!

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Mar 5, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I like Ed

I can understand how outsiders might think firing Ed is a good idea, but I don’t know how PSU fans can think so. He took over a program that was a complete laughingstock and has made them steadily better in a very tough league. His players graduate. We have hope for the future. Ed views PSU as a destination job. He’s cheap. Bottom line: if we fire a guy like that, do you really think he’d be replaced by somebody better?

That being said, every time I see the flex offense, I get mgoblog level stabby (WHO THINKS IT’S A GOOD IDEA FOR ANDREW OTT TO HAVE THE BALL AT THE POINT WHILE TALOR BATTLE IS POSTED?)

Reach out; touch faith.

by ckmneon on Mar 5, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

At the end

They ran the flex with like 3 minutes left in the game, and Brooks (playing the 4 or 5, I couldn’t tell) hit Jackson on the high-post for a wide open 15-footer to tie the game. That was an excellent flex-set, and it worked well with the players on the court at the time.

by STU Boy on Mar 5, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

The flex

The flex is designed for the David Jacksons and Jeff Brookses of the world: strong small forwardish guys with a rounded offensive skill set (can shoot the 3, post up, and dribble). It will get them to a spot on the floor where they can exploit whichever type of scoring their defender is least suited to guard. It just gets everyone else way out of position (often with ball in hand) in order to do it.

Reach out; touch faith.

by ckmneon on Mar 5, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Fun fact:

Bruce Parkhill loved the flex offense.

I mean, I don’t want to fire Ed, but…you know.

"It’s just that, reading through this thread, it appears you’re getting your ass kicked." -jtothep

by ReadingRambler on Mar 5, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Varsity Blues

I can’t look at Bo Ryan and not see Bud Kilmer.

Reach out; touch faith.

by ckmneon on Mar 5, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Bo Ryan's no longer my favorite coach.

Izzo is. I like Ryan’s gameplans and whatnot, but he is annoying to watch. He and Hightower should get a room.

"It’s just that, reading through this thread, it appears you’re getting your ass kicked." -jtothep

by ReadingRambler on Mar 5, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I know

I was saying that with a hint of sarcasm based on what you were writing yesterday on another thread.

by STU Boy on Mar 5, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

The Coach K of the Big Ten!

"It’s just that, reading through this thread, it appears you’re getting your ass kicked." -jtothep

by ReadingRambler on Mar 5, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

OH NOES!

Rambler likes Izzo, this can’t be right. Sounds like JNitt hacked into Rambler’s account. Only a Sparty sympathizer like JNitt would be so blatantly open about his love for MSU sports figures.

by dawsonPSU10 on Mar 5, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Izzo transcends MSU, that's how awesome he is.

"It’s just that, reading through this thread, it appears you’re getting your ass kicked." -jtothep

by ReadingRambler on Mar 5, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed

Never insult seven men when all you have is a six shooter --COL Sherman T Potter

by psu in the w-b on Mar 5, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Bo Ryan...

Actually Wisconsin runs what they call the “swing” offense, not the flex.

Longtime lurker, first time poster…and I can’t believe it was Wisconsin basketball offensive strategy that drew me out of the woodwork.

by vonnegutnaked2 on Mar 5, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

You are 100% correct

Interesting read, as the it’s basically a hyrbid of the flex, UCLA, and triangle offense. From watching it, and this is purely watching live and never breaking down tape, this offense looks like to me that it’s a flex that incorporates UCLA cuts.

I know nothing about the triangle, so I don’t know how the fits in.

by STU Boy on Mar 5, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

yea, it’s a fun offense to run…I played D-3 ball and that’s where I learned about it and it does definitely has roots in the flex.

It’s also really nice because if you have guards/small forwards with post skills, you can get them the ball on the block.

by vonnegutnaked2 on Mar 5, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm an outsider...

and I don’t think firing Ed is a good idea per se. He coached well in the last 10 minutes and put his players in a position to win last night.

You could fire him, but I don’t think PSU is going to get anybody that is any superior unless they go the snake oil saleman route, which is not what PSU is all about.

Never mistake effort for achievement.

All normal people love meat. If I went to a barbeque and there was no meat, I would say 'Yo Goober! Where's the meat?' - HJS

by Esteban d' Amur on Mar 5, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

He's not going to be fired. No one should be surprised that he won't be fired.

I know this wasn’t the point of your post, but I can’t believe this issue is still being debated. We JUST signed him for an extension and while his record isn’t stellar, we’re not the same laughing stock of a program. Our players are actually getting respect, despite the fact that our record doesn’t show for it (PSU basketball players making All-Big Ten teams, and being invited to play on international USA vs the world teams). When you look at the close games we’ve had this year (and they flashed the comparison from last season), we’re really a collective 10 pts or so from having a really good record in the B10, but unlike last year where those games almost all went our way, this year the toast fell butter side down. I don’t think the AD would even fathom buying out ED’s contract only a year after they wrote the damn contract, it’s a waste, especially considering what we lost coming into this season. Yeah our expectations were abnormally high this year when they probably shouldn’t have been, but that’s not ED’s fault, it’s a personnel issue. We’re a young team (and from the past few games, we’ve learned were more talented than we originally thought, and not just a one trick pony with Battle). We have the tools, we just need to refine them, and we could easily be great next year. Will it happen? Who knows.

by dawsonPSU10 on Mar 5, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

This team...

Admittedly, I haven’t seen much of this team. The team I saw last night was way better than the team I saw early in the season. I believe Ohio State, Michigan State and Purdue lose some key players next year. I would supect PSU’s goal next year will be a top 5 finish in the conference.

Never mistake effort for achievement.

All normal people love meat. If I went to a barbeque and there was no meat, I would say 'Yo Goober! Where's the meat?' - HJS

by Esteban d' Amur on Mar 5, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

And rightfulluy so

If Ed can’t beat Matta next year, he never will.

by STU Boy on Mar 5, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Michigan State doesn't really lose anybody important.

Purdue loses Chris Kramer and Keaton Grant, but Hummel, Johnson, Jackson, and Moore are all returning, plus Painter got signings from some good post players to finally get Johnson some help. I wouldn’t be surprised to see two Big Ten teams in the Final Four next year.

Ohio State’s good players are mostly juniors, but you know how Ohio State players routinely stick around for their senior year, right? Still, Matta always brings in a good class.

Illinois will again be decent – anywhere from 4 seed to 10 seed again. Minnesota should be bubble worthy again. Wisconsin is Wisconsin. Indiana can’t possibly be worse.

I think the top 5 next year will be Illinois, MSU, Purdue, Wisconsin, and either Ohio State or Minnesota.

"It’s just that, reading through this thread, it appears you’re getting your ass kicked." -jtothep

by ReadingRambler on Mar 5, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I said it was the goal...

don’t necessarily think they will achieve it. You are probably right, I don’t watch enough Big Ten Basketball to know enough about who is going to be good next year.

Never mistake effort for achievement.

All normal people love meat. If I went to a barbeque and there was no meat, I would say 'Yo Goober! Where's the meat?' - HJS

by Esteban d' Amur on Mar 5, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

We lose Raymar, but that's it among non-scrubs

He’s spectacular when he’s on but disappears occasionally.

by SpartanDan on Mar 6, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Ott is Ott, give him a break.

"It’s just that, reading through this thread, it appears you’re getting your ass kicked." -jtothep

by ReadingRambler on Mar 5, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

That one hurt

This team has really grown on me the last couple of weeks. They have fought and fought all year and that would have been great win last night. I know the record is the same as the early Eddy D years, but the talent is clearly better. Just a tough season all around. I really just wish the AD would commit to having a legit hoops program. No that doesn’t mean fire Eddy D. That means let Eddy D have a D1 basketball program with D1 basketball resources.

by speedomike on Mar 5, 2010 12:52 PM EST reply actions  

Depending on who you ask..

We have D1 basketball resources.

"It’s just that, reading through this thread, it appears you’re getting your ass kicked." -jtothep

by ReadingRambler on Mar 5, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't be hurt by it

Yeah it was a heartbreaker, but I’m extremely proud of how everyone, not just Battle, has stepped up the past few weeks. We’re playing balanced, and not having to need Battle to score 30+ pts just to keep us in the game. Our other guys are contributing, and it’s really encouraging for the future, even if we didn’t pull it off last night. It was a great game, and we gave MSU a huge scare, but they played smart, and perfect defense to keep us from winning at the very end.

by dawsonPSU10 on Mar 5, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

About D1 resources.

Isn’t that what the BJC is supposed to be? And there’s weight rooms at University Park, right?

This game was puzzling, not sure how we stayed in it, and it makes me wonder what to do with MSU in my brackets.

by Joe 96alum on Mar 5, 2010 1:01 PM EST reply actions  

Don't worry about your brackets yet.

Kansas lost to an undermanned Tennessee team (I now have more respect for Bruce Pearl than I ever thought I would.), Kentucky needed a nutty shot to beat Miami OH. Syracuse lost to Louisville. Etc. MSU always does well under Izzo in the tourney. I guarantee them as a Sweet Sixteen team at least and I think they’re 50-50 or so for the Elite Eight. Their defense has been pretty lackluster at times, but Tom Izzo gets the job done.

"It’s just that, reading through this thread, it appears you’re getting your ass kicked." -jtothep

by ReadingRambler on Mar 5, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Izzo

Dominates the tournament because in the Big 10 he preaches rebounding and defense. When teams from other conferences play MSU, they typically outwork and frustrate the other team. Those other plays aren’t used to this tough style.

by STU Boy on Mar 5, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

What do you think about Wisconsin?

Living up here, Madison went nuts last March after that buzzer beater against Florida State and that was just a first-round game. In general I couldn’t care less about whether their team is good or bad, but every NCAA tournament game gets the entire city out to the sports bars and it’s a fun thing to do when the weather is miserable. I’d be thrilled with three games to watch; I’d imagine five would be insane.

by gumbercules on Mar 5, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Wisconsin is Sweet Sixteen bound, no more no less.

"It’s just that, reading through this thread, it appears you’re getting your ass kicked." -jtothep

by ReadingRambler on Mar 5, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Depends entirely on their area of the bracket

Bo Ryan has just one win over a team seeded higher than 9th in his career (and that was last year, against one of the biggest jokes of a 5 seed in tournament history, who had an offense that ranked 100th nationally according to Pomeroy). Unless the bracket collapses around them, Wisconsin never makes a run.

As a general rule, Big Ten low seeds are often dangerous, MSU tends to overachieve, Wisconsin only beats the weaker teams, and the rest of the top teams don’t really trend either way.

I’m not particularly convinced MSU will do as well this year; the big runs tend to come with deep teams that can play their 8th and 9th guys a lot – and this year we have seven regulars and a revolving door at the 8-9 spots. There have been too many close shaves against teams we should beat handily, too many abysmal first halves against good teams digging a hole and use all our energy getting back into the game, don’t have anything left once it’s close again. Something is just off with the team, and has been all year.

by SpartanDan on Mar 6, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

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