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This is old news by now, but the Maxwell club is creating an award this year called the Joe Paterno Award. Here are the criteria.

The criteria for the Paterno Award, which are still being developed, will focus more on the overall impact the coach has had on the sport, his players and the community, going beyond the wins and losses of that particular season.


It will be interesting to see how this all plays out. In a way I think it's great that Paterno's name would be associated with such an award, but I hope they do this right. There are a lot of sleazy coaches out there that win a lot of games. My pick for the inaugural award would be Pat Fitzgerald, unless they want to give it to Joe Paterno. When you think about it, who would be better suited for the Joe Paterno award than Joe Paterno?


The Daily Gopher put together a list of the most disappointing teams in Big Ten basketball this season. Not surprisingly, Penn State made the list. But I was surprised that he put us third on the list ahead of Michigan and Northwestern. TDG has this to say.

Penn State is playing great right now.  This may be the best 11-seed in Big Ten Tournament history.  They finished the season 3-3 over their last six games and all three losses were very close to the three teams tied for 1st atop the Big Ten.  Lost to Ohio State by eight, lost at Michigan State by two and lost to Purdue by 4.  This team is hitting their stride, don't tell them it is far too little, too late.

Woo Big Ten Tournament and all that.

Star-divide


At first I was like, OH CRAP, when I read this.

Battle considered quitting the team in early January, saying he was frustrated. But he regrouped and was the second-leading scorer in the Big Ten through Saturday, averaging 18.8 points.


Then I realized it wasn't a direct quote, and it was most likely Ron Musselman trying to stir things up. I'm guessing Battle made some comment to the effect of quitting as in of not giving much effort when the team was riding a 12 game losing streak, and Musselman turned that into Battle quitting the team. My personal thought is there is nothing to see here. We all know Battle is a fighter that doesn't give up until there is no time left on the clock. And once again he was named to the All-Big Ten team.

In another interesting turn of events, we all assumed there was just one scholarship to give next year, and that was saved for Battle's brother Taran Buie. However, the CDT says today the coaches have been living out of suitcases and eating fast food along the interstate hitting the recruiting trail this month suggesting there may be another scholarship or two to give away. The speculation is around Billy Oliver and Andrew Ott not returning.

Billy Oliver, a 6-foot-8 redshirt freshman forward, is one Nittany Lion who might not be back. Oliver, who did not play last season after sustaining two preseason concussions, has suffered from exercise- induced migraine headaches that permanently ended his season in January. He had played in just five games previously.

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Five Nittany Lions will be seniors next year, with three of them — starters David Jackson and Andrew Jones and reserve Andrew Ott — in position to have their degrees by the time the season starts.

Ott, who has averaged just over 10 minutes per game and been bothered by a nagging shoulder injury this season, seems the most likely of the three to weigh the option, but DeChellis didn’t offer any hints Monday.


Turning to football recruiting, State College High wide receiver Alex Kenney is fast.

State College’s Alex Kenney broke a nine-year-old state record and Chloe Schmidt was named the outstanding female performer to pace the Little Lions to high finishes in the Pennsylvania Track & Field Coaches Association Indoor Championships at Penn State’s Ashenfelter Multi-Purpose Center.

Kenney, a senior, blazed to a 6.80 title in the 60 meters, breaking the mark set of 6.82 by Cardinal O’Hara’s Kevin Jones in 2001. Kenney, who signed a letter- of-intent to play football at Penn State, also placed second in the 200 with a personal best 21.54.

Don't quote me, but I read somewhere that Kenney's time was the sixth fastest in the country this year. Fellow PSU speed demon Devon Smith ran a 6.63 in the 60 meters. So we got some Pennsylvania speed on this team.

In Scores of Other Games


Check out The Rivalry, Esq., who does a fantastic review of the Penn State in the aughts.

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Ott

I’d be surprised if he left. Oliver, not so much, but before the injury, Ott was establishing himself and having a solid year.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 9, 2010 11:09 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah but

Let’s look at the situation a bit. He will get his degree this spring. He’s not going to start next year even if the shoulder does heal 100%. Brooks, Jones, and Jackson are all ahead of him. He has no future as a basketball player after Penn State. Does he want to come back for another year to play 5 or 10 minutes per game while taking basket weaving and history of rock and roll classes, or does he want to get on with his life and head out into the real world to get a job and not be a poor college student all the time.

I think it’s a tough choice for him. And if Ed can find a decent 6’8" junior college power forward willing to come in next year, he might make the decision for him.

by BSD on Mar 9, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I Guess

But the guy has been playing basketball his entire life, and went to the trouble of transferring to Penn State because he wanted to play there.

I’m of the mind that he’d probably want to enjoy a senior season he’s worked a long time toward, and that he’d want the chance to be introduced on Senior Day with his teammates and help them get to an NCAA Tournament.

No, he doesn’t have a future in basketball, but the truth is, neither do Jackson, Brooks and Jones. And just because they’re ahead of him now, you never know what might happen. Someone might get hurt, or one of those guys could tank again, and suddenly he’s playing 20 minutes a game again.

I can understand the logic behind not coming back next season, but I’d be surprised if he gave up living a dream to sit in an office a year early.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 9, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno

That’s a whole lot of maybe’s. Maybe someone will get hurt. Maybe someone will tank. Maybe he’ll get to play.

Ultimately, it will come down to what makes him happy. Take another year of bogus classes and scraping money together to buy a pizza with your friends for the chance to MAYBE see some playing time. Or get on with your life and try to make something out of yourself in the real world.

Ultimately I think this is going to be Ed’s decision. Ott will have his degree. Technically Ed’s obligation is done at that point. If he can find a good junior college power forward, I think Ott will be asked to take the ultimate sacrifice for the team.

by BSD on Mar 9, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

True

But I’d be surprised to see him leave if there wasn’t something else walking throught the door.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 9, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, of course.

The discussion is entirely moot if DeChellis and his band of merry men can’t land a competent power forward that would be able to contribute for the 2010-11 season. However, if ED can scrape up a decent post player, I think he’d call Ott into his office, thank him for his contributions and effort, and wish him good luck in his career outside of basketball.

by PSUFlyers on Mar 9, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

What about Ott staying on without a schollie?

Highly unlikely, but if he really wanted to, I can’t see Ed telling him no.

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by Roland86 on Mar 9, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

He would still count as a recruited athlete wouldn't he?

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by psuphiman80 on Mar 9, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

yes, because spending another year in state college is SO terrible

I could have graduated in 3 years, I took 5. What did I do then? Basically went right back to a university for another 6 years. Sure, I don’t have any money saved up, but I’m not in debt, either.

Just saying, don’t discount living at a major university as being a plus, especially to someone in their young 20s.

by The JuggerNitt on Mar 10, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I will fight anyone who says 2008 was better than 2005.

"Based on my estimates, it appears that Stanzi shall transcend the ages." - Cairo

by ReadingRambler on Mar 9, 2010 11:25 AM EST reply actions  

IMO

The 2005 season was far better and meaningful, due to the whole coming out of the dark ages and winning the big ten thing. However, I think that the 2008 would have beat the 2005 team head to head. That may have been where he was coming from.

Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.

by Roland86 on Mar 9, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe it's because it was more recent, I guess.

But there’s no way 2008 beats 2005. No way.

Also, my 2005 Derrick Williams was faster than your 2008 Derrick Williams…

"Based on my estimates, it appears that Stanzi shall transcend the ages." - Cairo

by ReadingRambler on Mar 9, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Graham Zug

Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.

by Roland86 on Mar 9, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Ethan Kilmer

"Based on my estimates, it appears that Stanzi shall transcend the ages." - Cairo

by ReadingRambler on Mar 9, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Minnesota was actually favored to beat us.

On the opening kickoff, Kilmer destroyed Maroney. The crowd was nuts. That was the first time I figured we would win just from watching the kickoff. The defense came on the field and whipped them in the ass on their first possession. PSU scored a TD on the next possession, game over.

"Based on my estimates, it appears that Stanzi shall transcend the ages." - Cairo

by ReadingRambler on Mar 9, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, that Minny game was crucial.

We held Maroney and Barber to like 42 combined rushing yards…lulz

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by Roland86 on Mar 9, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's not forget that 2005

had this. Yeah, it’s just one play, but 2008 didn’t have one of those plays. And I loved the 2008 team.

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by nitwit86 on Mar 9, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

this was awesome because it gave us this...

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by letsgopsu on Mar 9, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s exactly where I was coming from.

2005 had better defense, 2008 had better offense. But 2008’s defense wasn’t that far behind 2005’s, while 2005’s offense really didn’t have the versatility or firepower of 2008.

by Paterno Ave on Mar 9, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Formatting is the kryptonite of this blogger.

by Paterno Ave on Mar 9, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

And I disagree again.

I really think 2005’s defense was clearly superior. The linebackers were a step, maybe two ahead. And the secondary was much, much better than the “secondary” that took the field against USC.

"Based on my estimates, it appears that Stanzi shall transcend the ages." - Cairo

by ReadingRambler on Mar 9, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Tomato/Tomato

Reasonable minds can differ, I think.

The 2005 defense was awesome, the linebackers and secondary were significantly better individual players. I wouldn’t begin to argue that.

Despite the less impressive roster, though, 2008 held opponents to a lower average score (2008 #8 in nation scoring D, 2005 #10), less yards (2008 #8 in nation total D, 2005 #12), almost same yds/play (4.4 2008, 4.2 2005), same # interceptions…

The 2005 defense “wow’d” me more as a fan, but the objective results aren’t terribly different between the two. It may not be fair to compare stats between different seasons, I don’t know.

by Paterno Ave on Mar 9, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I've always felt that stats are damned lies unless they support my position.

But anway, with all due respect, I consider 2005’s defense to be better because a) better players at most positions and b) they were clutch. Sure, they gave up that touchdown to Michigan, but I don’t think there’s any chance they let Ricky Stanzi complete that stupid pass on 3rd and 15.

With that, good day to you, sir.

"Based on my estimates, it appears that Stanzi shall transcend the ages." - Cairo

by ReadingRambler on Mar 9, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Two hours and *no one* has rec'd this?

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by ReadingRambler on Mar 9, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

there u go

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by psu in the w-b on Mar 9, 2010 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, as I said in the Rivalry Esq post

I think the 2005 season/emotional roller coaster was more exciting and more important to the team, but that head to head, the 2008 team would probably beat the 2005 team more often than not.

by The JuggerNitt on Mar 9, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree completely

2005’s offense was all MRob. It also tended to be “big play or bust.” The defenses are comparable, but I think eventually the balance of 2008 offense would put up some points.

Let's Go State

by rmcmillen50 on Mar 9, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Defenses are not comparable.

2005 defense was better in pretty much every facet. The secondary was much better, for one. I see your Bowman, um, crappy Josh Hull, and Tyrell Sales and raise you Dan Connor, Poz, and Tim Shaw. Odrick wasn’t quite fully dominant yet and Maybin was no Tamba Hali.

I also remember MRob as steadily improving as the year went on. It wasn’t just big play or bust either. Remember running all over Wisconsin, Purdue, and MSU?

The teams are close, but the 2005 offense wasn’t much worse, but they take the win due to much better defense.

"Based on my estimates, it appears that Stanzi shall transcend the ages." - Cairo

by ReadingRambler on Mar 9, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough on the defenses

I guess I was more going on some of the statistics each put up, which I think make 2008’s defense look better than they were. However, personnel-wise, I would absolutely take the 2005 lineup. No question there.

As for the offfenses, I still have no regrets taking 2008 over 2005. These are some quick stats I looked up:

2005: 5058 yards total offense on 834 plays. 2,500 yards passing

2008: 5836 yards total offense on 894 plays. 3160 yards passing.

Sure we could run the ball in 2005, but 800 of those rushing yards were only MRob. Don’t get me wrong, it was awesome that MRob could run, but I think it shows how desparate our offense was. Seriously, its 3rd and mid-yardage to go. What play is called? MRob draw. Big shocker. Also, don’t forget that in that Wisconsin game Butler had two 40+ TD catches. (Yes, I also saw Hunt ran for 151)

I really think the balance of 2008 makes them a far superior offense. Then I think the 2008 defense is functional enough to get by. Thus the added benefit you get from the 2008 offense offsets the smaller loss by 2005 defense being better.

Just my opinion.

Let's Go State

by rmcmillen50 on Mar 9, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s worth pointing out that Clark would do everything he could to not tuck and run, while MRob was ready to take off whenever he could reasonable justify it.

It also didn’t hurt that MRob was actually an NFL runningback who took our snaps.

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by KevinHD on Mar 9, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't see how it shows "desperation".

I think it shows that Michael Robinson was our best player and he was one of special few football players who could carry a team on his back. See: Tebow, Tim for QBs who get the ball on 3rd down.

"Based on my estimates, it appears that Stanzi shall transcend the ages." - Cairo

by ReadingRambler on Mar 9, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I would read "desperate" differently than you are

Coming out of 2004, I see the 2005 team as a lot like the basketball team is this year in that they had nothing left to lose. Paterno’s head was on the chopping block, and no one expected us to be anything special. While obviously you don’t want your starting QB to get hurt, MRob could be unleashed to run at will because even if he got hurt, could things get much worse than 2004? In 2008, while we had a fully capable backup QB, we didn’t need to unleash Clark like we did MRob, because we had the luxury of weapons to make up for MRob’s explosiveness and actual need to run when a play broke down.

That may not have been what rmcmillen50 meant by “desperate”, but that’s sort of how I would define MRob’s running vs. Clark throwing instead of running.

by dawsonPSU10 on Mar 9, 2010 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

You pretty much got it.

The only thing I would add is that Clark would throw, because well he was an ok passer. MRob was definitely suspect. I’m not saying Clark was threading needles every play, but just that he was still a substantially more developed passer than MRob.

Let's Go State

by rmcmillen50 on Mar 9, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Not to pick another fight over Clark's place in PSU history

but Clark was just an ‘ok’ passer? I’d say he was a pretty damn good passer, at the very least by PSU QB standards, and two first team all-big ten QB awards, and a Silver Football would say he’s a pretty damn good passer by the Big Ten’s standards too.

by dawsonPSU10 on Mar 10, 2010 2:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Haha, don't worry.

I would completely agree with your assesment of Clark. It actually makes my initial argument stronger about the 2008 offense even stronger. I just didn’t want to appear to build up Clark too much in case it started another argument.

Let's Go State

by rmcmillen50 on Mar 10, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

The place that 2008 has the advantage is O-Line

2005 was still growing a bit, and Levi Brown really had a mediocre senior season (and was over-hyped heading into the draft, but good for him for getting his payday). 2008 was so good it got Todd McShay to hate on them.

Other than that, 2005 had the better players (especially on defense) and the better team.

"I did my walk of shame this morning and everyone was so much nicer," she said. "People were inviting me to parties at 9 a.m."

by IcersGuy on Mar 9, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

well it wasn't that McShay hated on them

they were just so good they were lapping other O-lines and so appeared to be only average.

by The JuggerNitt on Mar 10, 2010 8:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, come now

lets not waste a chance to mock Toddy McShay and his “exthpert analythith!”

"I did my walk of shame this morning and everyone was so much nicer," she said. "People were inviting me to parties at 9 a.m."

by IcersGuy on Mar 11, 2010 2:02 AM EST up reply actions  

The dream team would have been

the 2008 O together with the 2005 D. That would have been glorious!

For the glory

by Paige2PSU on Mar 9, 2010 2:43 PM EST reply actions  

Interesting discussion:

Pick a position group from any team this decade, 2000-2009 to create the millennium dream team.

QB
RB
WR
Oline (incl TE)

LB
DL
DB’s

go!

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by millzners on Mar 9, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

my picks

QB – 2009
RB – 2007 (I’m a huge Hunt fan)
WR – 2008
Oline 2008

LB 2006 (Lee, Poz, Connor!)
DL 2005
DB’s 2005

Actually this discussion gets more interesting when you combine QB and RB into a single category, with 2008 taking a slight edge over 2005.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Mar 9, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Not for nothing, but Hunt's senior season was 2006.

The 2007 team ran with a combination of Austin Scott, Rodney Kinlaw, and a young Evan Royster.

by Adam Collyer on Mar 9, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

For some reason I got it right w/ the LB’s but not Hunt, even though that was the same team…

I believe the confusion is I always remember the 2007 Outback Bowl…

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by millzners on Mar 9, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

my take (and this is purely for on field ability)

QB: 2008 (Clark wasn’t as concussed, and we had Devlin as backup. I felt much more comfortable with QB in 2008 than I did in 2009)
RB: 2002 – just can’t beat LJ that season (but yes, I’m a bigger Hunt fan than LJ fan. Heck, I even like Royster better)
WR: 2008
OLine: 2008 – best OLine unit I recall ever seeing at PSU (granted my personal watching experience only goes back to the late 90s)

LB: 2005 – this one is obvious
DL: Probably also 2005, but I’d take almost any year’s DL, even from the dark years. Let’s not forget how good the 2004 defense was.
DBs: 2005 as well, though I recall also liking the ones in 2002

If we have to combine backfield with QB and RB, it is still tough as we’re going MRob and Hunt vs Clark and Royster. I’d probably take 2008, but I wouldn’t feel too bad about 2005 either.

by The JuggerNitt on Mar 10, 2010 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, on a whole 'nother topic...

I agree with Pat Fitzgerald as the best choice for the first Joe Paterno award if it’s not Joe Paterno.

For the glory

by Paige2PSU on Mar 9, 2010 2:45 PM EST reply actions  

Give it to Navy's coach if they beat ND again this year

Seriously, other than Fitzgerald, it’s a pretty limited field:
- SEC: Next question.
- Pac-10: Harbaugh, Riley.
- Big 12: Pelini, I guess, if NE can win without Suh. Gill, if he turns KS around. Brown and Stoops if they graduate players. How could I forget: Gundy’s a man! He’s 40!
- ACC: How many follow the Paterno Way vs. the Bowden Model?
- Big 10: Ferentz. I like D’Antonio, but he’s got to clean up the dorm fights.
- Mt West + WAC: Peterson, Whittingham, Patterson, and Hill seem clean, but no idea about graduation rates.
- Big Least: Schiano and — can’t believe I’m saying this: The Wannstache seems to be running a model program.
- Other: Al Golden. Anyone who can win at Temple (!)

The service academy coaches, to me, are automatic qualifiers every year, whether they win or not. They are what’s right about college athletics.

To me, the tough call is Tressel. He seems to be a straight shooter, has won a lot, and I don’t think he’s had any troubles after Clarett. Don’t know graduation rates. But he seems to have a cloud over him at all times. How much of that is BCS Title Game losses vs. Clarett hangover 8 years later vs. Michigan attacks (i.e., Cheaty Pants Sweater Vest) vs. reality?

by bveo12 on Mar 9, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I've heard a couple rumblings

that Dantonio isn’t all the clean outside the fights. Could be bull crap though.

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by psuphiman80 on Mar 9, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now. That program had been a thoroughly undisciplined, quitting, misbehaving, coach-killing mess ever since Nick Satan left.

Admittedly, I have a weak spot for him after the post-Michigan press conference when he answered every question with “Pride comes before the fall” — and then they beat the Referines the next year. By itself, that deserves some kind of award.

by bveo12 on Mar 9, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

No no no on Dantonio

things like the “Pride comes before the fall” and other attacks like that are very un-Paternolike. He seems like a very petty man/coach.

by The JuggerNitt on Mar 10, 2010 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

SEC -

Chizik, maybe? I like a lot of the things that I read about him and hear him say, but he’s only been at Auburn for 1 year.

For the glory

by Paige2PSU on Mar 9, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Had a good first year at Auburn, but his previous 2 years were horrible, even by Iowa State standards. So maybe down the road … that is, if he doesn’t get covered in SEC slime.

by bveo12 on Mar 9, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

No, no, no, stay clear of Chizik.

I’ve heard some stories that paint him as less than clean. Maybe all second hand, but who knows. With the way he left ISU…

Plus, I like Auburn fans, but that ain’t a clean program.

"Based on my estimates, it appears that Stanzi shall transcend the ages." - Cairo

by ReadingRambler on Mar 9, 2010 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's a question

How come nobody considers the 2009 team when talking about the best team from the aughts? They had an identical record to the 2008 team at 11-2, but the 2009 team lost to two teams that went on the play in the BCS while the 2008 team lost to an Iowa team that was barely over .500 at the time they played. They got dogged all season for not beating anyone, but they did beat LSU in their bowl game.

by BSD on Mar 9, 2010 3:41 PM EST reply actions  

Offensive line.

Pretty clear cut.

"Based on my estimates, it appears that Stanzi shall transcend the ages." - Cairo

by ReadingRambler on Mar 9, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

And without three of the best receivers in PSU history.

Although Moye, Zug, and co. were a pleasant surprise this year.

Also, ST play, and lacking one of the best return specialists in PSU history.

by dawsonPSU10 on Mar 9, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow

there’s some perspective. Difficult to argue with the logic, especially when you consider both of those teams won their respective BCS bowl games (against teams that they weren’t supposed to beat).

The fact that ’05 and ’08 gave us conference championships and wins over OSU, makes them more memorable and probably, unfairly, makes it easier to overlook the ’09 team (perhaps?).

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by nitwit86 on Mar 9, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think it's overlooking at all.

2009 was very good, but I have no issue with ranking them third. Last year’s squad would be hard-pressed to beat any team with a very good defensive line.

Oh, and special teams. The horror. The horror.

"Based on my estimates, it appears that Stanzi shall transcend the ages." - Cairo

by ReadingRambler on Mar 9, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

I feel like they are clearly third.

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by Roland86 on Mar 9, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Unfair advantage

The 2005 team had an unfair advantage. They didn’t have to play Iowa.

by BSD on Mar 9, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Meh.

Iowa wasn’t very good that year. Although they did ruin Barry Alvarez’s going away party.

"Based on my estimates, it appears that Stanzi shall transcend the ages." - Cairo

by ReadingRambler on Mar 9, 2010 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

And, yes, I know Iowa wasn't very good in 2008, but..

You know what, just forget it.

"Based on my estimates, it appears that Stanzi shall transcend the ages." - Cairo

by ReadingRambler on Mar 9, 2010 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

"Just forget it"

Easier said than done, buddy.

by dawsonPSU10 on Mar 9, 2010 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, a few things stick out

I’d say obvious downgrades in O-line, WR’s and special teams in 2009.

by smashtheguitar on Mar 9, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

yep, those downgrades

and pretty much the rest of the team being identical puts 2008 above 2009.

by The JuggerNitt on Mar 10, 2010 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

we may have lost to better teams

but we got destroyed by them. In 2008 we only lost to Iowa away on a last second field goal, and with a concussed Clark, in bad weather, and then to a USC team that was probably better than 2009 OSU or Iowa.

2005 we only lost away to Michigan on a last second touchdown.

by The JuggerNitt on Mar 10, 2010 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I saw a line online listing Minnesota as a 6.5 point favorite for Thursday

Does that sound right? I’m not as familar with basketball lines as I am for football, but I was thinking it would be closer.

by mundyscorner99 on Mar 9, 2010 7:03 PM EST reply actions  

Well, you see, Minnesota was a bubble team and Penn State has a bad record...

"Based on my estimates, it appears that Stanzi shall transcend the ages." - Cairo

by ReadingRambler on Mar 9, 2010 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand that, but...

I’m pretty comfortable with saying that PSU is playing better than Minnesota over the past few weeks. Plus, we lost at the buzzer to them the last time they played, and that was before the team started playing better. I’m not saying PSU should be favored but it is closer to a “pick-em” game to me. Minnesota lost to Michigan by 28 POINTS a week ago.

by mundyscorner99 on Mar 9, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I was sarcastic.

"Based on my estimates, it appears that Stanzi shall transcend the ages." - Cairo

by ReadingRambler on Mar 9, 2010 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

the line is not set

as a basis for what the final score oddsmakers think it will be.

it is set to entice equal wagers on both sides of the spread.

the general public will see the records and say “PSU sucks, they have a terrible record, Minny wins easy”

by hbeach08 on Mar 10, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

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