Penn State Spring Battles - The Secondary
Last year around this time everyone was chomping their fingernails down to the knuckle worrying about the secondary. With all four starters from the 2009 Rose Bowl graduating, nobody knew how things were going to shake out other than Drew Astorino, who played admirably in the nickel package as a redshirt freshman, was going to land somewhere. Uncertainty was in the air, but looking back now things turned out pretty good.
D'Anton Lynn locked down a cornerback position. A.J. Wallace did pretty well as the other cornerback. And Astorino and Nick Sukay did a good job in the middle. And true freshman Stephon Morris stepped up and secured a spot on the nickel package with his aggressive play. This group didn't exactly shut down opposing passing games, but outside of giving up a Terrell Pryor arm punt for a touchdown to DeVier Posey, they didn't really get embarrassed either. Penn State ended up ranked No. 24 in the NCAA in pass defense giving up 185 yards per game through the air, and they ranked No. 15 in pass efficiency defense. I'll take those numbers every year if I can get them.
So looking ahead to 2010 it would appear that everything is settled in the secondary. Wallace is the only player lost from last year, and it would make perfect sense to slide Morris into that role and keep right no chugging. But that's not entirely the case.
After the season it was revealed that Astorino was suffering from a shoulder injury he played with through much of the year. He had to have surgery on the shoulder, and this spring he is sitting out of everything in order to heal. He will certainly be the starter on opening day, but for now Penn State has to shuffle some people around so they can practice with 11 guys on the field. Much of the talk is centering around D'Anton Lynn moving to safety, where many people have felt from day one he was better suited from the beginning. Last year he was kind of forced into playing cornerback due to the lack of bodies there. So he and Sukay will probably be the primary guys playing the safety spots this spring with guys like Malcolm Willis and Stephen Obeng-Agyapong fighting for a spot on the two-deep.
OMG...Now we need TWO cornerbacks
With Wallace leaving and Lynn moving to safety, that would seem to be the case. As stated earlier, Morris is a natural to claim one of those spots, and I'm feeling pretty good about that after seeing him play last year. The other spot I'm not so sure about.
With all of the young explosive talent at wide receiver, the coaches have made the decision to move Chaz Powell back to defense where he played during his redshirt year as a freshman. Even though he mostly played safety as a redshirt, the transition should be pretty smooth for him as he should have a good understanding of the coverages. The other guy to keep an eye on is Derrick Thomas. The coaches really wrestled with the idea of taking the redshirt off of Thomas last season. He has been described as a carbon copy of Morris, only four inches taller and 20 lbs. heavier.
So for the spring, it looks like your cornerbacks will be some combination of Powell, Morris, and Thomas with Lynn and Nick Sukay playing safety. But come opening day my guess is the lineup will be Morris and Lynn at corner with Astorino and Sukay playing deep.
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Those new uniforms....
Look great in the picture. They look flashier than the old ones
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Mike, I wouldn’t be so sure that Lynn doesn’t remain at Safety. If the reports are true about the thomas I doubt he moves back to cb. The trouble may be making Thomas sit behind Powell at corner and Lynn behind Astorino at Sukay.
You might be right
If you assume Paterno would be willing to start a redshirt freshman at corner and sit a junior safety (Sukay) on the bench.
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by BSD on Apr 2, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
You're assuming that in this equation it would be Sukay who sat
I’d rather see Sukay and Lynn at S and Thomas and Morris at C (assuming Thomas is as good as we are hearing).
That’s a physical, aggressive, and fast secondary lineup IMO.
Why I
have I not been comfortable with the secondary for years? Maybe its me, but I’m always holding my breath on passing downs . . . or any time the other team’s quarterback drops back – while it looks like we have talent for ’10, I have for the last (many) years considered our secondary the weak link. Granted the front seven are traditionally strong to very strong, but we have recruited well in the defensive backfield.
I mean...
Considering the back 4 our weak link isn’t really saying much… We consistently have 3-4 guys in the front 7 with legitimate pro dreams. But, I think back to the teams with Yisrael, Short (or was it Scott?), Davis, Zemaitis… Looking back, only AZ was really “good” out of them, but our secondaries were never awful. They may not have two top 25 picks like UF or OSU in the secondary every year, but as long as the front 7 supply pressure, our DBs are more than sufficient, IMO.
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Bryan Scott
Is still a starting safety in the NFL as of last year.
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He actually played a little linebacker last year too.
Suffice to say, the Bills had some depth issues.
I blame the scheme
You can have the best talent in the world, but if you tell them to sit back in cover 3 and just tackle the guy as soon as he makes the catch, they’re not going to look spectacular. If you have superior talent you they should predominantly play man-to-man. This is why Ohio State eats up our wide receivers and sends DB’s to the NFL every year.
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by BSD on Apr 2, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
scheme is the culprit
as the DB’s are not allowed to play the position as CB’s but really as 4 Safety’s with the responsibilities you describe. Boy do I dislike seeing our press coverage (10 yd cushion) giving up pass after pass to a good QB who picks us apart. The 3rd down curse of the past, 3 & 9 was almost assured to become 1st & 10. Not as much recently but it was the way no too long ago.
by F G Dreadnought on Apr 2, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
and although I generally try not to go to the “scheme well” often – I think I’d still have concerns in either a true man or cover 2 – but maybe that’s because we don’t see it like a UF or OSU. Or perhaps its because while Scott may still be starting in the NFL, King probably won’t and neither will Wallace. When was the last time we had a legit NFL prospect at corner with any longevity? Having said that, psume06 makes a good point, maybe we can afford a secondary which, although not comparatively weak, is our weakest link.
Good to know
who Pryor, Stanzi, and Forcier will be throwing to next year.
by Mr. Rosewater on Apr 2, 2010 5:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Am I being confident again? :-p
by Mr. Rosewater on Apr 2, 2010 5:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
One Thing's For Sure
It’ll be nice to read the 2011 version of this post when Mike tells us that 4 of 4 will be returning to the secondary (with a seasoned nickle to boot).
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How 'bout it
The other day I was getting way ahead of myself thinking about the 2011 defense. The only guy I can think of that we lose to graduation this year is Ogbu. I can’t really think of anyone on this defense that might go pro early, so we should bring back 10 starters and all of the reserves on defense next year. That’s going to be pretty sick.
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Back to back MNC's in '11 and '12?
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by Jeff Junstrom on Apr 3, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
No, sorry.
You see, Bama is back to their average 50 national championships per year. No room for us.
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by ReadingRambler on Apr 3, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Bani's the only other senior
on the defense, but he might not really be a starter by Big Ten play. Even if he does start all year, I think everyone on here feels good about finding a talented starter from the Hull/Fortt/Yancich/Royer/Carson in 2011.
Once upon a time, I had high hopes for a MNC run in 2010 with Devlin at QB, ALE at OT, Marks and Wiz at OG, McStabberson at WR, and Maybin at DE and Bowman at OLB. My big concern was the secondary when I was writing down the projected depth chart. (Mrs. WPL says this is important, because you never know when Joe might call soliciting my opinion.)
So, not only are we looking at 10 of 11 on defense, there will be 7 of 11 back on offense: Wiz, Royster, Big Lou, Lord Zug. And two of those guys might be easy to replace, but I’ll be damned to say which two on this forum. Add in a returning kicker, punter, and returners and you may feel free to salivate over the potential in 2011.
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by WestPointLion on Apr 3, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
and the schedule is much more favorable in 2011
Good recap.
by Cairo on Apr 3, 2010 2:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Scheme
The scheme (zone coverage) is what keeps this defense from being elite. It is also the only reason I have for not being in favor of Bradley as the next head coach. Too tentative. The only time you see a corner blitz is against the cream puffs on the schedule. Once big 10 play begins, zone, zone, zone and more zone.
I saw a corner blitz in the Ohio State game last year
Bradley sent D’anton Lynn on a long 3rd down, it was thinly disguised, their 6’6" wide receiver who fielded the snap made a single move to juke him and easily galloped the 8+ yards to the sideline for the first down. TV panned in on Bradley, who was seen tapping his own chest indicating it was his bad.
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I think the overall point is
Our coverage is stale. It may be an exaggeration to say we literally never ever have sent a CB blitz, but deviations from the BBDS are rare.
I for one, do not really have problems with it as we are extremely successful as it is. However, we have a pantsload of athleticism back there, might as well use it. You know, some SpreadHDefense maybe?
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by Roland86 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
SpreadHDefense
I like that. And I agree with your premise.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Apr 5, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I'll respectfully disagree
on the “pantsload of athleticism” in our secondary. Truth of the matter is, there have been only a few good CBs and a rare safety that would be able to survive in a man-coverage defense. Sometimes when the pure athleticism has been there, the players haven’t always been able to put all the pieces together (see Wallace, A.J.). Heck, even when the coaches felt that King was a solid enough of a CB to play man-coverage, he got exposed regularly. IMO, I prefer that the coaches put in a more conservative system that plays to the abilities of the players, rather than force their players into system they just don’t fit in (see: Salesman, Snake Oil).
At the end of the day, there’s a vicious cycle occurring – the DBs of moderate quality are buoyed by the scheme and a solid front 7. But because the DBs aren’t turned into top-flight corners and safeties, the top recruits find their way to other programs. Thus, the moderate DBs are recruited, and the cycle continues.
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Does 2006 Notre Dame count as a cream puff?
Tony Davis got our only sack IIRC.
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by ReadingRambler on Apr 5, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats the point.
People can only recall things like this happening a few times in the past few years. Look, I’m not saying “SEND A DB ON A BLITZ EVERY PLAY”(which I happen to do on the PS3. I remember the one year I had Justin King get like 12 sacks). Its just a matter of changing up the zone maybe a little more frequently, I think a lot of people would like to see that.
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Is rednecklion your brother or something?
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Nope, just mostly agree with him.
But I suppose it also depends on how you define “brother.” I refer to most guys as “brother” so in I guess that one sense, yeah he is, but you would be too.
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We don't have an elite defense?
4th in the nation in points allowed (11.8) and 9th in yards allowed.
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by chicken cosmo on Apr 5, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So you never wanted to pull your hair out because of our coverage schemes?
I would say we have(most of the time) an elite front 7. However, we never really seem to have an “elite” secondary. Again, this is fine by me as we take care of business as it is, but it still has its moments where you wonder why we don’t let our boys play a little man on man. We have been building in athleticism back there, let them show it. It doesn’t hurt us that bad because in the big11 we don’t have to face a ton of great QBs and dominating WRs. it also doesn’t hurt us that bad because our usually great front 7 can help harass the QB, etc. Sometimes though, the BBDS rears its ugly head and we get burned. I don’t think it would be the worst thing to change it up at least a little as opposed to just about never.
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I'm not against very occasionally using an exotic defense
mostly to make the other team spend time preparing for it.
But my point was simply to point out that we do, at present, indeed have an elite defense. Personally, I love our scheme. It’s as classic and eternal as our uniforms. Moreover, It WORKS.
I’m admittedly a conservative football fan, though. I’d be happy if we won every game 14-3 and passed five times. I just want to win, and if our coaches—who I happen to think are very good and know way more about football than I do—think that plain vanilla is the best way to go, so much the better.
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by chicken cosmo on Apr 5, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think that's the perfect counter to the zone argument
Yes, save one time in that little Bowl game we were in where we got torched (IMO, even though it’s a moo point I’d say our secondary, despite scheme, is better (faster, stronger, more athletic, and an overall better unit) now than it was then) we don’t need to play man coverage because the front 7 usually takes care of things. Sure it would be nice to see us vary our defensive scheme a little bit, but as is with most things in PSU football: if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
by dawsonPSU10 on Apr 5, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
+1 for keeping moo point alive
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+1 for parentheses embedded within parentheses
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by Jeff Junstrom on Apr 5, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Who do you think I am? Rambler?
You don’t have to rec every insignificant detail in my post. I appreciate it, but it’s really unnecessary. Everyone should be keeping moo point alive, and I was going to use brackets instead of parentheses but decided not to. I did used correct grammar, punctuation, and spelling (I think, I haven’t checked), why doesn’t someone rec that too?
Of course knowing you all too well, this current comment will probably be green by the time I recheck this post, so I’ll say thanks in advance.
by dawsonPSU10 on Apr 6, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
+1 for passive-aggressiveness
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I liked the parentheses embedded within parentheses
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by Jeff Junstrom on Apr 7, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
+1 for James Vanderbeek.
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by ReadingRambler on Apr 8, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Rec'd for snark and, of course, chicken cosmo.
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by ReadingRambler on Apr 5, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought you didn't go to PSU?
How do you know of the chicken cosmo? (The cosmo was before my time at UPark, so I don’t even know it)
To answer your question: no, I never got to eat one, but there was a memorial post here when they eliminated it. Plus, I love chicken.
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by ReadingRambler on Apr 7, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1 for 'Plus, I love chicken'
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by jtothep on Apr 7, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You haven't lived until you've eaten one of those at Checkers.
And then spent 30 minutes in your dorm taking deep breaths and debating a call to Ritenour.
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