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BSD Roundtable - The Blue-White Game


With the Blue-White game coming up this Saturday, we thought it would be a good idea to discuss it. Tomorrow we will discuss the defense and special teams. For today we turn to the offensive side of the ball. Here's the question:

What will you be watching closely and looking for on offense?

RUTS: The hidden gems that Penn State will be counting on in another year or two.  Guys like running backs Silas Redd and Curtis Dukes, wide receiver Shawney Kersey, and tight end Garry Gilliam.  Don't get upset about the stats after the game if certain players struggle.  It's a constant rotation of players at every position and a three-page playbook.  Just sit back and enjoy stress-free football.

FTG: I'll be looking for chemistry from any combination of quarterback and receiver.  Don't confuse "success" with "chemistry" though.  I'm not so much worried about completed passes or perfect timing at this point as I am with communication and the sense that there's a foundation that's in place for the fall.  Ultimately, I'm just interested to see who works best with who, and who has been able to establish a solid relationship on the field that can be built upon.

Junny: As ironic as it sounds, I'm going to be watching for cohesion on the offensive line. They will be playing musical chairs out there, experimenting with different packages, lines, and personnel, but I want to see who meshes with who. Specifically, I want to be sure of two things, both surrounding Wiz's move: 1) is moving Wiz back the best idea considering he was a very capable center in '09, and 2) will whoever takes over the center duties be capable enough, even with Wiz right next door?

Kevin: I know I’m suppose to say we won’t learn anything about the red-jersey’d quarterbacks in just three hours of watching the same six plays, but to be honest it’s the number one focus for me this weekend.   Can Newsome throw?  Can McGloin escape?  Who’s more comfortable in a pocket that has probably been torn up all spring?

Mike: I'd caution everyone not to read too much into this game when looking at the quarterbacks. The defense will play one basic coverage and they will not be allowed to blitz. I suspect you won't see a single zone-read option play even though that will be the primary weapon in the fall. I think they're going to keep that under wraps until they go to Tuscaloosa. But I'll be watching Newsome to see how his mechanics are coming along. Can he throw the ball with accuracy? Can he run a huddle? Can he take a snap from center? Can he check down when his primary receiver isn't open or does he check out and run? I'm also very curious to see this offensive line. I'm skeptical about Klopacz and Barham coming from relative obscurity to suddenly claim first team spots. What looked like an experiment a month ago carried through the spring. If these guys aren't on the starting line in the fall, this past month will have been a waste in my opinion.

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I'm mostly concerned about the weather

and whether or not I’m going to be able to get a table at Hooters.

Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.

by jesse. on Apr 22, 2010 1:06 PM EDT reply actions  

looks like you've been scoring enough

besides, if non-closery ensues, puck don’t drop til 7, right?

"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess

by jtothep on Apr 22, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last year it was in the afternoon on Saturday

I left shortly after Daryll Clark to go watch the game.

Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.

by jesse. on Apr 22, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I almost concerned that I won't

Watched the Flyers/Pens game at Hooters last year and it was an absolute blast.

Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.

by jesse. on Apr 22, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm mostly concerned about grammer

who works best with whom; who meshes with whom. A certain somebody with an English degree from an Ivy league school would be disappointed.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Apr 22, 2010 1:14 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

+1

2 out of 5 offenders.

"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess

by jtothep on Apr 22, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Grammer or Grammar?

Or are you not as concerned about spelling?

by BSD on Apr 22, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Sick Burn

God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...

by Adam Bittner on Apr 22, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh, if you count

Late to the party as a Sick Burn.

"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess

by jtothep on Apr 22, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

the speling was a joke

and in general, i think we’re all good about letting typos go without being $icknoses. But this was clearly not a typo.

Though maybe i still was being a &icknose; sue me.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Apr 22, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's all good

It just gets a little annoying when someone skips right over the intent of your thought to say, “Ha ha! Look at how they used a semicolon when a colon was clearly called for there!”

Nobody around here claims to be an ivy league english major. This is not a newspaper. We have no editorial staff. This isn’t even our full time job. We’re often putting these posts together literally in ten minutes so you guys have something to talk about today. Ridiculing the effort is not appreciated. Even in jest.

by BSD on Apr 22, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

fair enough

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Apr 22, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

HAHA

he said colon, which reminds me, I have a test tomorrow morning and it ain’t on grammar.

by DerryPharmer on Apr 22, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oline of course

I’ll be very surprised if the lineups we read about this week are actually seen on the field. As of this writing, I’m not convinced Wiz will actually be a guard.

Oh, and the weather. So jesse. can get a good look around.

"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess

by jtothep on Apr 22, 2010 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Look at the interior line as a package.

If you keep Wiz at Center, and Eliades stays at tackle, Pannell and Troutman are the top two guards. I don’t think it’s crazy to think that Klopacz can hold his own when competing with those two (again, looking at it as a package – not direct competition). Since Troutman is in the doghouse, and Pannell has struggled, I think the coaches may very well let those two duke it out for the left guard spot.

by Illegal Formation on Apr 22, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now a rant on tackles

Both Barham and Eliades were guards last year. What if one or both doesn’t work out at tackle? Then we’re really back to the drawing board. I agree with Mike that if this combination doesn’t at least resemble the fall lineup, much of the spring will have been a waste. Add that on top of last season, which also appears to have been a waste (developmentally) since all these guys are now playing different positions.

by Illegal Formation on Apr 22, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

And if Barham and Eliades are suddenly perfectly suited to play tackle, why the hell have they been playing guard the past three years in the system? And what is Pannell? Is he a guard or tackle? If Wiz is better suited for guard and Klopacz is suddenly the best center we have, why was Wiz our starting center last year? Why is it that every program wanted Eric Shrive to be their anchor at left tackle, but once he arrives at Penn State we discover he would be better suited at guard?

This past season and spring have me seriously questioning our ability to evaluate talent on the offensive line.

by BSD on Apr 22, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Must be JayPa's doing...

"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."

-J.V.Pa.

by psume06 on Apr 22, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

It seems like it's always been this way to a degree

but you’re right, it’s turned into a complete cluster___. We’re returning 4 starters from last year’s opening game, but none of them are listed at the same position.

by Illegal Formation on Apr 22, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm holding out judgment

These are great questions, all. But I’m definitely waiting to see what they trot out there Saturday, and even then will withhold judgment til I read more about their legit plans. Every account of spring practice mentions how much JoePa’s staff uses this time for this juggling and ‘evaluation.’ And I think we all know Blue White Game depth charts are not August depth charts.

Here’s my list of Oline starter moves they might make from least surprising to me to most surprising:
- Pannell to RG (he played some LG last year when Troutman was hurt, so if other Tackles rise up, I could see this.)
- Eliades to RT (seems like they have more tackles than guards, so I’m still a little dubious, but his frame and mobility certainly are fits)
- Troutman not starting (dude loves him some doghouse—late for some mandatory meetings this offseason—but I believe Wiz that he is our best LG)
- Barham starting at LT (this would be pretty shocking to me, but he’s got that experience/seniority thing over young guns Shrive/Urschell/Farrell
- Wiz moving back to RG (this is all Klopacz of course, which gives me the biggest doubts. I mean, he was there last year when they moved Wiz instead. This would mean a few of the things above happen. I don’t know, they might, but I would be very surprised.

"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess

by jtothep on Apr 22, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a bit more optimistic this year

I thought the depth of talent along the OL was way too thin going into last year and hopefully we’ll see some improvement this year. The high rated recruits that washed out the previous years left a big hole. Antonio Logan-El, Josh Marks and JB Walton were big losses.

Pannell looked much better against MSU and LSU compared to the disaster against Iowa. The point that a high rated prospect like Shrive is not annointed a starting spot may be that the others are better than we think. Paterno’s always said he would rather start a guy three weeks late instead of one week early.

by Frank O'Brien on Apr 22, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Evaluating or developing?

The offensive lines have been mostly good lately. In the games that they failed, they failed spectacularly. Iowa and OSU, obviously. Any game in which Paul Cianciolo or Chris Ganter appeared.

But two years ago, we had a very good group up there — Landolt, Cadogan, Shipley, Wisniewski, and Ohrnberger. They could all play, and Mike Lucian was a great, versatile 6th guy that every team ends up needing. Last year, they replaced a lot and the replacements just weren’t ready. It’s impossible to know where the fault lies for that, if it’s anyone’s fault at all. So what I’m hoping is happening up there right now, is that the coaches are screwing around and trying to find their best six or seven guys, then spending the entire summer drilling the positions into their heads.

Part of me also believes this is the very early stages of trying to find the right combination for 2011, when we’ll have a much more favorable schedule and a QB with experience. Gotta find out what guys like Barham, Pannell, Shrive, Gress, Stankiewitch and the rest of them do best.

I’m taking the sunshiny approach for now. This is the time for coaches to tinker. I hope they find what they’re looking for, though.

@scrappled

"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee

by Run Up The Score on Apr 22, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, love me some sunshine!

+1 for this: ‘So what I’m hoping is happening up there right now, is that the coaches are screwing around and trying to find their best six or seven guys, then spending the entire summer drilling the positions into their heads.’

"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess

by jtothep on Apr 23, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

boo

"There are only three certainties in college football: all players will eventually leave, the ACC will be bad, and Joe Paterno ", Clay Travis, CNNsi Fanhouse

by letsgopsu on Apr 22, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Marquette and Jolliet Discover America's Heartland...and steal it from the Ioway."

I, like many of you, were at that game(?) and my heartland hasn’t been the same since.

by DerryPharmer on Apr 22, 2010 5:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Just a bit of news

Koyack won’t be at the BW Game… He’s down to ND and OSU. We’re out.

"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."

-J.V.Pa.

by psume06 on Apr 23, 2010 7:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Well

So much for the stories I had heard about the kid that he was going to keep his recruiting private

by dawsonPSU10 on Apr 23, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

They're now recruiting his privates?

Kid must be a serious playa.

"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess

by jtothep on Apr 23, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Many coaches do

How do you think tOSU and USC land all those OMG 5 STAR recruits?

by dawsonPSU10 on Apr 23, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

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