Post Blue White Game Reaction
We'll have more coverage as the week goes on, but I wanted to get some of my thoughts out there for discussion.
- I don't think yesterday solved anything in the quarterback competition. Newsome looked like he was locking on his receivers and having accuracy issues. McGloin was forcing things and made some poor throws into coverage. He ended up with two interceptions. I wasn't impressed with his arm strength at all.
- Paul Jones looked really good to me. I thought his mechanics looked better than Newsome, and he clearly has the strongest arm of the three. He was also decisive so that's good. But I don't think he has a realistic shot at the starting job. He's just a freshman, so his playbook knowledge isn't that great. Plus the defense he was throwing against was very basic.
- The left offensive tackle situation is a huge problem. I thought Eliades looked okay at right tackle, but Quinn Barham at left tackle did not impress me at all. Eric Latimore had his way with him all day. But the flip side of that is that Latimore looked awesome, so maybe he has had a breakout spring and is set to be a major player on the defensive line.
- The offensive line looked bad in pass protection, but I thought they got a pretty good push in the running game. Which brings us to...
- Penn State didn't run the ball much to give the quarterbacks plent of work, but when they ran I was impressed with what I saw. Curtis Dukes and Silas Redd are going to be superstars. Dukes is a truck and when he gets up to speed it takes at least two guys to bring him down. Redd showed some nifty moves to evade tackles, and then he showed really good burst once he got in the open. I think both of these guys are going to see playing time this season.
- Whoever the quarterback is, he's going to have tons of talented wide receivers to throw to. We didn't see much of Derek Moye, Curtis Drake or Graham Zug yesterday, but guys like Shawney Kersey, Brandon Mosbey-Felder, and A.J. Price looked pretty good. And Gary Gilliam looked really good in place of Andrew Szczerba who didn't play.
- It's no surprise that the defense looked fantastic. No worries there. The defensive line looks solid. Latimore looks like he's really stepping up his game, and Devon Still looks like he will fill in just fine for Jared Odrick. Latimore had two sacks.
- I thought the linebackers looked solid. Nate Stupar looked like Paul Posluszny out there. He led the game with seven tackles, and he had an interception. Bani Gbadyu landed the O'Hora Award as the most improved defensive player, and I thought he played pretty solid. He looks like he's put on ten or fifteen pounds. Mike Yancich and Chris Colasanti also looked good to me.
- The secondary looked good. A few of the second and third team guys got burnt here and there, but overall they played well. I was impressed with Derrick Thomas. They tried to burn him on a pump fake double move in the endzone and he didn't bite.
Overall I think things went about as I expected. The defense is obviously way ahead of the offense at this point, and I think we have to expect that. Not only are they breaking in a new quarterback, they're swapping guys in and out under center on every other series. Things are going to look shakey. But I saw enough positive things in the running game that I think the offense will be ok. They will have to lean heavily on defense and running the ball, which shouldn't be anything new for Joe Paterno. That's why I think ultimately Newsome is going to win out over McGloin. His legs can be a tremendous weapon.
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Oh yeah
I forgot to mention Justin Brown with the receivers. He looked ready for primetime too. I knew I was forgetting someone.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
Hodges...
looked pretty awesome on a few plays. The guy looks like he’s in better shape and faster than Bowman was last season…hope he sees the field this year.
Agree about Paul Jones. He made a few silly mistakes, like losing track of the pass rush, but he was pretty quick and has probably the best mechanics I’ve seen since Devlin.
It's always hard to judge these spring games
But I saw enough from McGloin to believe he should be no better than 3rd on the depth chart. He’s a solid guy to have around in case of emergency (like Pauly C in the 06 Michigan game), but Newsome and Jones have too much upside to be behind him.
That's my exact take on him too
he just has no upside. Newsome can run and has the arm to be at least do-able in the passing game. Given his arm strength and mobility, McGloin would have to be unbelievably accurate to be effective, and I don’t think that’s the case. Also, Penn State’s safe passing game is out-route city, and there is nothing as scary as a lobbed out-route on a corner that is waiting for it.
What did I miss?
Paul Jones threw three incomplete passes — one was dropped and another would have been ruled complete with instant replay. Jones was able to move the offense down the field. The other two looked two fraternity brothers who got their big chance to move from the intermural league to major college football, not unlike the 1993 Disney film, “Rookie of the Year.”
Does Jones have a chance to start against Youngstown State? Maybe not. But lets not forget that Michigan won the Big Ten in 2004 with a freshman quarterback, Chad Henne. After we get smacked by Alabama, I think we’ll have new perspective on starting Jones.
Bama is gonna be tough...need a hurricane to rock that weekend for a chance at winning.
Expect 8/9 in the box all season
You forgot rule #1 of the BW Game: pay attention to what string the player is playing with/against
BOTH of Jones’ TDs were against the 2nd/3rd/etc. string defenses. Yes his mechanics and throws looked awesome, but keep in mind he didn’t have Crawford, Ogbu, Still, or Lattimore coming after him.
McGloin had the pressure of the first team defense and threw 2 picks. Newsome, FWIW, performed better against the 1st team D than McGloin, and we didn’t get to see what Jones would do when pressured by the big guys. I totally agree that Newsome looked mediocre at best, but he was 1) playing against the better defense and 2) not allowed to use his legs, the biggest weapon in his arsenal.
May I add
Jones 1st TD was 11 on 9 defenders. I like PJ a lot. Just not for 2010.
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by WestPointLion on Apr 25, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Not quite correct (if I recall).
One of McGloin’s picks was against the 2nd team. He and Newsome were switching sides throughout. I seem to recall the second of his picks going to the blue guys, but I may be wrong.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
My point wasn't to be pumping up McGloin (who I would have 3rd on the roster honestly)
So if he threw a pick to the 2nd team defense, that’s another black mark for him. My main point was PJ did not have the pressure of the 1st team D as far as I can remember.
No, I think he got up to second. But you're right: no real rush.
I agree that we can’t take much from it. But I DO think he showed that he is, already, the most polished passer on the roster. If he can grasp the playbook and handle the pressure, he could be a pretty good player. He’s also more mobile than he is given credit for.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Rule #1 of the BW Game
Should be don’t talk about the BW Game. Because it means virtually nothing.
(says the guy who has made multiple comments in this thread).
kinta palmer
begs to differ.
by ChrisHarrell's_stache05 on Apr 25, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought I was the only who remembered that.
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by ReadingRambler on Apr 27, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice breakdown . . .
whether its Newsome or Jones, I tend to believe that we’ll see more of a possession style passing game this year which should balance the inexperience at quarterback – and we have receivers that can bail us out. The problem, as STL points out, is our running game is going to be challenged week in and week out – so let’s hope the push on the OL is legit.
I am leery over what we saw, because as Herby and others here have pointed out, we saw a vanilla d.
However, Jones is clearly the best pure passer of the group; whether that means he can master enough of the playbook to make a legitimate push this year is another thing, but he WILL be our qb within 2 years (barring miraculous growth from the other two).
That said, I think the balance of their strengths and weaknesses weighs in favor of Newsome. He ran with the ball tucked (a major issue from last year), and he was LIGHTYEARS faster than McGloin. Newsome was really only inaccurate on his deep balls, but his inaccuracy is preferable to the kind McGloin was displaying: Newsome was WAY long; Little Red was inches from another pick 2-3 times. The times Newsome displayed accuracy, his long balls were better than McGloin’s. Note that I use inaccuracy here in light of DC’s passing: never exactly on target, usually a little high, but generally catchable.
Lastly, Newsome forced fewer passes (I can only think of one – where he evaded the rush, juked Latham, and pegged a LB in the chest) while McGloin tried to force 3-4 (one of which was completed to Moye in fantasmagoric manner).
In sum, Jones will be the man. Newsome is presently the man. The flaws we’ve heard about are not as bad as McGloins (at least on that day) and his strengths were equal/better than McGloins.
On a related note, I’d like to remind everyone that we had this anxiety two years ago. We even had similar competitors: an athletic black dude who had strange mechanics and a slow white guy who threw better. Neither had played much, but the former had proven that he could run. Things turned out pretty well. Don’t worry, we’ll get Newsome out there, and if the OL gets a little better on the run for next year, we’ll be fine. At least this time around, we have the option at our disposal since Joe won’t be worried about losing one qb.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
*and I’m not taking into account Bolden because… well… He’s a freshman.
But he apparently has an arm (strength-wise) on par with Jones’s, so that’s neat.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Defense ahead of Offense
Dont we say that every year
Mike - What Would Your View of Newsome Be
if Kersey held on to the skinny post he alligator-armed, and Brown’s sideline toe tap was correctly ruled as complete? There like 50 plus yards in lost production not on his tab. The other missed long balls were certainly not going to be intercepted. That’s what I want from Newsome right now: no big mistakes.
I think #12 had a pretty fair day playing from under center, no designed runs and a pretty talented D knowing what was coming their way.
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This was my biggest positive from watching Newsome
Yes, he’s not a terrific passer (at least as of yet, TBC September 4th) , but as you and psume06 point out: he made the fewest mistakes. McGloin seemed to be trying to upstage Newsome to win the starting job, and as a result of that, and the pressure from the D-line, he threw dumb passes into coverage, forced throws he shouldn’t have, underthrew passes, and got picked off twice (and almost a few more times).
Hold on, people
Jones looked like the best QB out there yesterday. Yep, he did. No question.
In the immortal words of AI, we’re talking ’bout practice. Not a game, no, not a game. Practice. A glorified practice with a lot of people there and some game-ish conditions, yes, but still….practice. And just one practice months away from anything resembling a game at that.
I’m pleased to see that there is an abundance of talent at QB and whoever wins out will be talented. That’s all I’m taking from yesterday.
Reach out; touch faith.
I'm with ya
The quarterbacks need a lot of work, but the good news is that outside of left tackle I thought the rest of the team looked fantastic. Very few mistakes by anyone, and there is a ton of talented freshmen on this team.
My view is that this team is a two year project. This year is going to be a bit bumpy. There are going to be days when the offensive line fails us and the quarterbacks do some dumb things. I’m just hoping to see progress this year in limiting mistakes with an eye really on the prize in 2011 and 2012.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
Yep
I still see this as a 9-3 season. The hope is that it’s a 9-3 team that improves enough to make a big run in 2011.
This is true
Honestly, looking through the schedule, I thnk anything from 11-1 to 7-5 is entirely possible. The mean is 9-3, which I agree, I’m fine with so long as we have reason to believe that 2011 and 2012 will be MNC-ish years.
Reach out; touch faith.
That I expected
The stats may say otherwise, but Mills was the worst Big Ten QB I’ve ever seen in ‘04 (I’ve been following the league on a level which is neither safe nor reasonable since about ’91), and that was a 4-7 team painfully close to being a 9-2 team. We returned everybody, added a bunch of great recruits, got rid of Mills, and had OSU (who our atrocious offense had actually outscored the year before in Columbus) and Minnesota (who I vastly overrated at the time) at home. I expected Purdue and Michigan would suck.
Of all the crazy optimistic predictions I’ve made about PSU over time, that one not only turned out to be true, but in retrospect, made total sense.
Reach out; touch faith.
Watching it right now
I’m halfway through the 3rd quarter, and totally endorse Newsome.
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Apr 25, 2010 6:29 PM EDT reply actions
Just curious
Did you see something that made you say that? Or is it just that Ham Sandwiches should not be starting QBs?
I rewatched a portion of it (made it until the first completion of Jones's last drive)
And I agree with RUTS. I said this earlier in the thread, but McGloin looked like a weaker-armed F*$& I’m Going Deep (won’t say his name), while Newsome struck me as a DC17 in terms of having the ability to run but looking to pass, but with M-Rob’s running style (and, sadly, 2004 M-Rob passing).
Taking into account the several drops by WRs, Newsome would have had a standard DC day – 60%-ish completion percentage, 8-10 yds per attempt, and a TD (I can’t remember if it was Brown or who, but someone dropped a big TD pass) with no turnovers. Sure, this was against vanilla defenses, but still, that’s not bad for a team with absolutely no experience at QB.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
It's pretty easy for me.
Glad we have a guy like McGloin if all holy hell breaks loose and we’re down to our 3rd QB, but that’s all for me. The players joke about him being like Brett Favre in practice, in that he’ll inexplicably throw across his body into triple coverage. That ain’t good for a guy who is supposed to be the prudent, safe alternative to Newsome.
Based on what little we saw yesterday, Newsome is fine. He threw that beautiful crossing route to Gilliam, and was decisive on most of his reads. All we need from the QB this year is to move the damn chains by any means necessary. If Newsome can hit those short passes at a high rate, his legs will become even more of a weapon on 3rd and 4-7. I don’t care what his throwing motion looks like. Use his legs, move the pocket, move the chains. If scarecrow, stop sign, traffic cone and the rest of them don’t get their act together, McGloin will get murdered this season. Newsome gives us a chance, because our WR’s will get open. He’s going to screw up massively at points this season, but overall, he’s good enough to win with.
Jones looked relaxed and comfortable. I think he’s the clear #2 by October.
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Apr 25, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
At what point
Do we have a QB controversy b/c of one of Newsome’s inexplicable mistakes? God love us Penn State fans, but we don’t have any patience for our QB’s. Half the fanbase still thinks Clark was mediocre at best, and he’s our best QB (at least statistically) since Collins. I’ll give it till after the Michigan game, when people begin calling for his head and Jones to be our savior; I can’t even promise I won’t be one of those people (I was calling for Clark to start after the 1st ND game).
I’m willing to give Newsome this season, write the damn thing off, and hope like hell we beat Michigan. If he does that, he’s alright in my book. Give us a win at home under the lights for the first time in years, and I’ll be happy.
Do you want the mustache on, or off?
Too bad.
I think that kind of depends on where/when/how said inexplicable mistake is made:
1) If it’s during tOSU/Iowa/Bama and we’re getting spanked, everyone needs to chill out because those are expected and acceptable losses (at least in my book).
2) If it’s during tOSU/Iowa/Bama and we’re in the game, and said mistake costs us: HOLY HELL RUN FOR THE HILLS, THE SH*TS ABOUT TO HIT THE FAN
or 3) During a game we should be winning (i.e. everyone else on our schedule), especially, and Zug forbid, if it’s Michigan in prime time in the at home in the White House (although that would imply GERG has developed a defense WITHOUT Graham, which is just silly***), they might as well let the PSU nuke reactor blow, because that’s about the only way we get our mind off of putting in whoever is on the bench.
According to the Collegian (who did a prediction for each team in the B10 and analyzed what their strengths/weaknesses are, etc.) GERG is going to be switching Michigan a 3-3-5 defense this season.
GERG
I can’t wait to see his ‘new’ defense unveiled. From what I’ve read he’s trying to capitalize on his available athleticism, but the 3-3-5 in the B10 should get eaten alive by the run, especially a pro-set FB leading the way type run game. Imagine Wisko’s Clay or our Dukes out there in the secondary with a full head of steam and a bunch of “athletic” DB’s trying tackle him.
Do you want the mustache on, or off?
Too bad.
That was my thought as well
They got ripped to pieces in the 2ndary last year, and now, he’s only going with a front 6 defensive scheme? In the B11? Somewhere in the PSU RB stable, a collective smile has swept across all of their faces…
by dawsonPSU10 on Apr 26, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh the humanity!!!
There will be a feeding frenzy to carry the ball in that game. When I was in High School we were loaded in the backfield and coaches would never throw the ball, you could count the passing attempts on one hand for a game. The QB was a real cocky glory hound and in order to pad his stats he became notorious for getting to the handoff too late. He’d tuck the ball and follow the RB through the hole and rack up huge rushing numbers.
I think Newsome will love the 3-3-5.
by Frank O'Brien on Apr 26, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
QBs and Miscellanea
First, watching the game with fellow Penn Staters and having the chance to see each of the QBs, I broke down the differences this way:
Each of the three names worth mentioning have a major wart to work on. However, those warts have varying impact on both wins this year and potential over the long term.
1 – Newsome’s major issue is mechanics. He gets us the most wins THIS year. He wasn’t used in the zone-read MRob offense in order to work on his flaws, which looked a lot like T Pryor in the drop back game. He had a great strike to Kersey that shows a flicker of hope. If we run the zone-read, run the ball 50 times a game and throw 15 this year, we can grind out 8 or 9 wins this season. Over the long-term, does Newsome progress far enough to take us much better than 10 or 11 wins over his career?
2 – Jones’ major issues would all have enormous implications on this season. But his issues of confidence, experience, and comfort are the easiest to cure of the three QB’s warts. The game showed him at his best and worst. He made some awful plays early, particularly under pressure, but as he got comfortable we started to see his natural ability. Forget the fades to Kersey. He made the two best throws of the day, both deep outs to JB (one was dropped for a TD). He represents the only QB (currently on the roster) that can stretch a defense, forcing it to defend the entire field (beyond just simple go routes).
If he were to start this year, we may only win 5 or 6 games. HOWEVER, does he need that experience to achieve his full potential? Or can he get to that potential in spot duty and on the practice field? I don’t care if it was against 3rd teamers. I saw big time ability in his flashes. PJ can lead us to 12 or 13 wins in 2012 or 2013. Just to have three relatively competent QBs available (and to stagger PJ and Bolden), I’m not sure he redshirts.
3 – McGloin. He really struggled today. Stat-wise and physically. I was hoping that he could at least show some ability to lead the team, but I didn’t see it. Even his good throws seemed difficult.
No information – Bolden. He’s going to be the big mystery, but also coming in so far behind the other three that a redshirt is virtually assured. From tape, he has the best mechanics of the four but least experience by miles and miles.
If I’m ranking them short term/long term it is as follows:
SHORT TERM (this season):
1. Newsome – if for no other reason, pass protection mandates this
2. McGloin (barely ahead of Jones and could quite conceivably be past come September)
3. Jones – will have the fastest learning curve with the highest ceiling
LONG TERM:
1. Jones
2. Newsome
3. McGloin
I know Joe hates the rotation, but come 2011 we might want to think about running a dual-offense given that our playbook accommodates (for lack of a better term) the “morelli-package” for Jones and the “Robinson-package” for Newsome. Gameplan based on the opponent and “hot hand” use each appropriately.
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Other players that jumped off the film at me:
Justin Brown. He may already be our best receiver and by the time he leaves, he could be the highest drafted since Bryant Johnson.
Eric Latimore. Wreaked havoc all day. Worried that we didn’t see more out of Crawford. Both had a tendency to disappear last year. We need pressure out of those two.
Brandon Moseby Felder. Didn’t do a whole lot, but looked very comfortable, fluid, and natural out there. Subtle but pleasant surprise but needs another year or two to add mass.
Stupar. Was worried he might be hitting his ceiling last year, but perhaps his struggles last year were a result of the lingering injuries he dealt with. Was also worried about putting some good weight on him. He appears to have addressed both well, and will be a starter for us this year.
Silas. Just as I imagined from seeing his HS film. Real Deal.
Hodges. Occasionally lost or took false steps, but he had some collisions with Dukes. Only guy that sent Dukes backwards all day.
Gary Gilliam. Big boy. Looks like he could still add 15 pounds comfortably and still move well. World’s of potential there.
I'd agree with almost all of this.
McGloin doesn’t give the offense anything that Newsome can’t. It’s not like he’s clearly a better thrower. In fact, he’s probably worse. Newsome also had a few really good passes dropped. He looks ragged out there, but I’m not uncomfortable at all if he starts.
Jones is intriguing. Remember, he’s throwing to Justin Brown and other good receivers against 3rd and 4th team back sevens. It’s easy to look polished and skilled against that kind of defense. Very encouraged to see him look good though. Practice reports were pretty awful on him.
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Apr 25, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
This is generally what i was trying to say above, as far as the qb breakdown goes.
I really think Jones is the future, but Newsome is definitely the present.
As for player-specifics, agree strongly with Brown and Stupar-Hodges (I’ve been on the Redd bandwagon since before he committed – his video is RIDICULOUS, except where he inexplicably trips 2-3 times…). The rest I don’t disagree with, but I didn’t catch that stuff as much.
The two things I’m wondering about are your Latimore and Crawford comments. Latimore was going against Barham, a true OG. But the fact that Crawford was shut down gives me some confidence about the RT. So… take that as one strong position at RT and maybe not so much at LT.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Agree
Crawford may not be Hali, but he’s a good DE and if there’s one thing we can trust it’s LJ’s lines. Assume he’s at least ‘good’ and then we get a pretty rosey picture at RT so far.
Do you want the mustache on, or off?
Too bad.
Eliades
Seriously just needed some time to redevelop. He broke his foot early in his PSU time and I believe had an ankle surgery, so perhaps he’s just now getting into tip-top form that made him a blue-chipper when he came in.
I also went to high school with him, so I’m slightly biased lol.
We are gonna shock them with 5,000 mega watts of raw ROO POWER.
Before that injury, there were plenty of rumblings that Lou was ready to contribute.
And I think he had issues with a concussion, as well. That set him back a year or two.
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Apr 26, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope so
BTW, did you see the block Green put on Crawford. He looked like he caught him by surprise when he unloaded up into his chest and stood him up.
by Frank O'Brien on Apr 26, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
yup
He’s been our best pass-protection RB, he had some fantastic blocks in the LSU game too. He packs a punch especially b/c guys think he’s going to go low for their knees and then he hits them right in the chest. Reminds me of Brian Westbrook a lot.
Do you want the mustache on, or off?
Too bad.
RB impressed the hell out of me
I know this is going to sound like totaly lunacy, but I’d have preferred Royster have gone to the NFL draft… I think he deserves the all-time rusher title, I think he’s going to be invaluable this season, I think he’s a model PSU athlete, but…
I’m so damn excited to see the young kids behind him. Dukes looked every bit like Tony Hunt out there: get him a clean lane through the line and he’ll drag guys for 5 yards. He’s got hands too, just like Hunt: McGloin threw that aweful wounded duck screen that floated forever, Dukes snatched it despite being in a swarm of guys and then trucked a bunch of guys for a 1st down. It made me giddy to see a RB who likes contact…
Furthermore, Green looks like he’s ready to be the guy. He pass blocks extremely well, he looks stronger and more decisive in reading his blocks, and he’s still got the jets. He would be a starter on any team in the B10 this season.
Redd looked like he will be what we expect him to be: a complete, every-down back. He had everything you want out of a RB and he’s just a senior in highschool. That’s really exciting.
Do you want the mustache on, or off?
Too bad.
Disagree on one point
I think Dukes has more potential than Hunt. Hunt needed four steps to get up to speed. Dukes gets there in two.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
I’ll reluctantly agree, seeing as though Hunt is my all-time favorite Penn Stater.
Dukes is going to make guys like Green and Redd look even better then they are when he starts providing the thunder to their lightning. And then late in a game when he comes in with fresh legs against a tired defense…
Do you want the mustache on, or off?
Too bad.
Kind of like when Shonn Greene
came in late against the Chargers in the AFC playoffs. That was a thing of beauty.
(as much as I hate Shonn Greene because of ‘08, as a Jets fan I’m slowly starting to warm up to him. Sanchez, too. AND NOW WE DRAFTED MCKNIGHT. Why are the Jets picking players I’ve had to hate? Ugh.)
We are gonna shock them with 5,000 mega watts of raw ROO POWER.
And this is why I have no NFL allegiances
Even despite growing up in the shadow of Philly in a prototypical Philly die-hard fan ruled town AND two parents who both grew up in the Burgh, I managed to remain neutral, and only loyal to Blue and White.
My hate never has to be set aside for players I despise from schools I despise.
Agree 100%
Except for Evan leaving. He may not be a captain or a leader, but his experience will be vital this year. Otherwise spot on, I’m so excited for the RBs.
I had the biggest smile on my face the first time I saw Dukes carrying linemen on his back for 2-3 more yards after contact. Redd almost seems more shifty than Royster is. He’s got great lateral movement to avoid defenders, and then a huge burst of speed.
Definitely.
He’s the shiftiness of Royster with (nearly) the speed of Green. Throw 15 lbs on this kid, and he’s a dirtymoney everydown back.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
I swear to god
I thought they were signaling in the plays to Royster.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
The Royster situation is a weird one...
Its pretty obvious that hes going to be the focal point of the season, but he looks a lot bigger. I hope that this doesn’t slow him down much because he never really had elite speed…his main talents are his patience, elusiveness and versatility as a pass catching RB.
by Artiefufkin10 on Apr 25, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I am sure if Royster would have been a top 8 back in the draft, he'd be gone.
I like the kid, really hope he doesn’t get hurt.
He’s a heady RB, he runs like he’s seeing the whole field from the blimp and he knows right when and where to go. He’s very elusive, and no one seems to get a good hit on him which frustrates the defense. But he needs to build on that by either getting some extra power to bowl through a guy, or getting some extra speed to seperate. Right now he’s missing that extra special thing that all our all-time greats had.
He’s lacking some signature plays due that apparent lack of something special, I can ramble off about 10 truely memorable plays by Tony Hunt, and maybe only 2-3 with Royster.
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Yeah, I dunno how you silently average 6 yards a carry, but he does it.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
I’d like to do some statistics on his run game, see what his std deviation is, see what his average game max and mins are…
My guess is you’ll see he’s got a high average, and a low std deviation — which is statistically what you want, but it makes for crappy highlights. That’s b/c of the lack of “home run threat” like Green has.
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I know it's a Pitt comparison technically, but as a Jet fan, Royster is Curtis Martin.
The kid just gets yards. No one gets a clean shot at him ever, he falls forward, and has tremendous vision.
He’s not “explosive,” but he’s more than fast enough. Part of the reason that people don’t think of him as an “all-time great” is because they say he lacks flash, but he just makes the offense go. Even 10 years ago, Royster would’ve been the focal point of our offense. With Clark and our receivers, we really looked much more like a pass-first offense with big play capability coming from them.
by Adam Collyer on Apr 26, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Excellent comparison.
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Apr 26, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
One disagreement:
I saw Dukes go for a chop block early in the game, and all he did was take out the LT’s ankles. He needs to learn his colors, then he’ll be set to go.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Also, nobody has mentioned Beachum...
One year from now, i expect, he’ll be back in the rotation.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
I think he could be really good but he’s got a huge problem trying to come back from a major injury and then somehow jump back in to overtake Dukes, Redd, and even that other guy who had some nice runs at the end of the game… I
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I hope he makes it back sometime late this season.
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Dont' see this.
If he’s out for more than 3-4 games (which he will be), he’s redshirted, barring catastrophe.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
I know exactly what you're talking about.
That was really weird. Like he tripped or something. Could be that he’s told not to make that block in a scrimmage.
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Apr 25, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
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I dunno if that’s the case. I mean, if you’re told “don’t take out the other team’s ankles,” I have to think its logical not to take out your team’s ankles, either. It was a perfect block, except against his teammate. Just… weird.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
the wounded duck was tipped I believe
"The name on the front of the jersey is what really matters, not the name on the back" --Joe Paterno
Will I be lambasted
if I say that I’m actually not a big Curtis Dukes fan? I just am not very impressed.
But Silas Redd has got me really excited. REALLY excited.
We are gonna shock them with 5,000 mega watts of raw ROO POWER.
BOOOOOOOOOOOO
YOUR OPINIONS ARE WRONG
/RABBL’D
;-)
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
Hahaha
I’m just saying, he’s big and strong, yes, but I don’t see any explosion on his runs. I just don’t see it. He’s a hell of a dude to bring down, but what if he has to bounce something outside? Could he even bounce anything outside? If we can’t open up holes in the middle, moving the pile a yard or two won’t cut it…
Idk. Maybe I just have selective vision when it comes to watching him. I’ll re-watch the game if I can find it online and re-evaluate.
We are gonna shock them with 5,000 mega watts of raw ROO POWER.
Between you and me and the internet
I was a little underwhelmed too, but I think his legend has been built up to the point where anything less than a 50 yard TD with seven broken tackles is a letdown.
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Apr 26, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
His jersey number alone made me love him
So I’m not going to pretend to be objective on this, now, or in the future.
As soon as they’re available, I’m buying that 26 jersey I missed out on last time.
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I don't see this, frankly.
I thought he looked pretty good for a freshman.
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by ReadingRambler on Apr 27, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with RUTS
He didn’t look like a ridiculous stud in the spring game, but he did show some promise. I just try to remember that he didn’t have a to do crap in HS to score TDs. He’s still learning how to be a football player. He made some nice runs and I think he and Redd will tear it up in the future.
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by psuphiman80 on Apr 26, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Jones
I hate to be the one that says this, as I’m usually the first one calling for the back-up QB and screaming to fire Fredo from the rooftops. However, remember this was a glorified practice.
Coming out of this I would hope the most we can take from this is Newsome and Jones are your #1 and #2 respectively. McGloin bless his heart just seemed to be pressing way too much in that game and made a lot of “he whom should not be named” mistakes.
Hopefully Joe doesn’t put a lot of stock in those handful of snaps that Newsome took last year. This is not a Senior vs a Sophomore match-up. These are two young student athletes and it would be best to have a fair quarterback tryout.
I know Joe hates freshman , and the Irish
In other news
Kansas State’s Purple team beat their White team 79-0 in their annual spring game. So depth might be a bit of a concern there…
To bring it back out of tangent, I’ve only been able to watch midway through the second quarter of the Blue/White game and I’m thinking they are right about where I expected. I like Zug’s leg too.
Punting
Who kicked that 60 yard punt in the 3rd-ish quarter? The announcers at that point had completely abandoned their posts and were chatting it up about something unrelated. Somebody had at least one great punt, maybe even two…
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Certainly wasn't Zug
Man, that thing looked like a dying quail. I really hope it doesn’t get to the point where he actually has to punt in a game.
I’ve got four years of eligibility left, maybe I should go for a second degree?
We are gonna shock them with 5,000 mega watts of raw ROO POWER.
If University Park has 10,000 men enrolled
then 2,000 of them probably played high school football. Therefore, there have to be at least 100 on campus right? I am saying this because you have to be able to pull someone out of the dining commons that can punt better than Zug.
At this point, forget football players.
Look for soccer players, and good ones at that. You know they’ve got the leg for it.
Hell, tOSU just goes and grabs pro soccer players that want an “education”.
We are gonna shock them with 5,000 mega watts of raw ROO POWER.
IT WAS RUTS!
Our darkhorse punter prospect for 2010. Snuck in there and showed some of his all-league HS form. Way to go buddy!
"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess
That was Russell Nye, the Temple transfer
and yes, he looked much better than Zug (no offense to our Overlord, who was clearly holding back so that his punt didn’t get caught in a plane engine)
On the O-line topic
I was not that high on Eliades either. Either they told the refs not to call holding or they got them from the Big 10, because he was blocking Crawford from behind. Granted, Crawford is pretty decent, but he may have nominated the banana peel to be transformed into a grappling hook chained to an iron ball. I think that whatever combo they go with, they will be fine at GCG, but those tackle spots are a concern with no real solution.
Anyone get a look at Shrive?
I assume he saw some time at guard.
by Illegal Formation on Apr 26, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
third team RG
He was in there, I last a little interest and didn’t see him do much. Also I liked the group of Linebackers, Royer in the middle, Carson and Fortt on the outside. They looked a little out of sorts dropping back into coverage on the first pass attempt they faced. Two of them dropped straight back in the middle close enough to be holding hands.
by Frank O'Brien on Apr 26, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm all alone on Team McLovin?
I thought that his footwork and mechanics looked a lot better than Newsome’s. Maybe not the same arm strength, but I thought he looked roughly just as good as Newsome, and his major flaws seem to be consistency and decision making.
I also really agree with what Herbie was saying about the need for the o-line and the qb to essentially develop together. As Herbie was saying, we really just need a qb to manage the game.
Regardless of whether its Newsome or McLovin, I think we’re looking at Jones as the starter in 2011 barring injury.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
but even if they are even now
I still think you take Newsome on potential. Plus, his mobility will be a huge plus in slowing down the defensive end interstate traveling around the tackles.

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