Intraconference Variety at the Top
I was thinking about the Pac-10, and how for the past decade it's been USC and 9 teams named Fred (or so it seems). So I decided to compare each conferences' performance in the last decade (2000-2009 regular seasons) by the number of different teams that made it to a BCS bowl game, and by the number of different teams that won a BCS game. Here goes:
Big Ten: Made it: Purdue, Illinois, Michigan, Ohio State, Iowa, Penn State (6/11). Won: Ohio State, Iowa, Penn State (3/11)
Big East (current members): Made it: Pitt, WVU, Louisville, Cinci (4/8). Won: WVU, Louisville (2/8)
ACC (current members): Made it: Miami, FSU, Maryland, Va Tech, Wake Forest, Ga Tech (6/12) Won: Miami, Va Tech (2/12)
SEC: Made it: Florida, LSU, Georgia, Auburn, Alabama (5/12), Won: Florida, LSU, Georgia, Auburn, Alabama (5/12)
Big 12: Made it: Oklahoma, Texas, Colorado, Kansas State, Kansas, Nebraska (6/12) Won: Oklahoma, Texas, Kansas (3/12)
Pac-10: Made it: Oregon State, Washington, Oregon, Washington State, USC (5/10) Won: Oregon State, Washington, Oregon, USC (4/10)
Conclusions:
- When it comes to getting the greatest percentage of different schools into a BCS game over the past decade, nobody tops the Big Ten at 54.5%, and every other league except the SEC (41.7%) was at 50%. Everyone loves to talk about how top-to-bottom competitive the SEC is, but by this metric, it ranks as the single most top-heavy league. By contrast, the Big Ten ranks as the most competitive, amplified by the fact that each team that made it to a BCS game made it to at least two, with the exception of Purdue.
- The Pac-10 and SEC win BCS games like it's their job. 41.7% of SEC teams and 40% of Pac-10 teams won a BCS game in the aughts. The closest league to them was the Big Ten, where 27.3% of its teams won a BCS game in the same decade. Granted, the last time a team not called USC won a BCS game was Oregon in the 2002 (2001 regular season) Fiesta Bowl. Regardless, those 2 leagues have clearly had the widest variety of excellent (as measured by BCS game winning) teams in the aughts.
- The Big East compares well to the other leagues, even after the ACC allegedly raided its best teams. 50% of its current membership has been to a BCS game in the past decade, which is worse only than the Big Ten, and 25% of its current membership has won at least one BCS game, which is only worse than the SEC, Pac-10, and Big Ten, and much better than the league that supposedly took all of its best teams, the ACC (16.7%).
- The top of the ACC stinks and lacks variety. It was better than only one league (the SEC) at producing a variety of BCS paricipants, and dead, distant last at producing a variety of BCS winners.
- Congratulations to the Big 12 on being average at both producing a variety of BCS participants and BCS winners. You are the Big East. Don't you forget it. Now fork over Texas.
- Michigan didn't win a BCS game this decade? And Louisville, Kansas, WVU, and Oregon State did? Find somebody who would've predicted that before the 2000 regular season.
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A correction:
You’ve given Miami credit for a BCS bowl as a member of the ACC; although they participated in the 2004 Orange Bowl, that was a January game and the ’Canes did not begin participating in the ACC until August of that same year.
As far as the SEC vs. Big Ten depth argument, this has been trumpeted for years by Big Ten people in the know. The SEC has won all the top-level bowl games against the Big Ten for almost 15 years. But only twice in that span has the Big Ten ended up with a losing record against the SEC in their other match-ups; the rest have either been split or won by the Big Ten, who owns a winning bowl record against the SEC over that span. The top of the SEC is better than pretty much anyone else, the rest of the league is awfully average…makes you wonder how they all end up ranked so highly when they only play themselves.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
I realized this
This was made intentionally with only the current membership of each league, as to reflect the current league makeup in terms of variety at the top, using the arbitrary recent time span of the last decade.
Removing the Big East BCS success of Miami and Va Tech in the first half of the decade would indeed reflect the actual strength of those leagues (the ACC and Big East) at that time, but aren’t fair to the current strength of the ACC today.
Reach out; touch faith.
I'm also surprised Wisconsin
didn’t even make a BCS bowl in the time span analyzed. Bielema hasn’t been the coach for ten years, I thought Alvarez had something going on at that school into the 2000’s.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
Wisconsin
Made it to (and won) the 2000 and 1999 Rose Bowls, but those were not in that span. The closest Wisconsin probably ever got in that span was the 2004 season, where they started 9-0 and looked like the best team in the country before completely falling apart late.
Reach out; touch faith.
Nice breakdown
I’ve always thought the depth of the SEC was way overplayed. Vanderbilt, Kentucky, South Carolina, Mississippi State, etc. aren’t any better than the bottom half of any other major conference.
I’d also be interested in a breakdown of each conference’s BCS appearances/wins by team. For example, the Pac-10 has 5 teams that have made games, but Washington, Oregon State, and Washington State all made only one appearance.
Hmm. I smell an in depth article with charts and graphs and Venn diagrams.
And I like.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Apr 27, 2010 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions
This must be your Georgia Tech fan side.
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by ReadingRambler on Apr 27, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s my “I was actually pretty good at math in school so naturally I chose to enter the legal profession” fan side.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Apr 27, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, yeah.
You have their smell all over you.
Remember, it’s not Paul Johnson, it’s “CPJ”.
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by ReadingRambler on Apr 27, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
You know too much about other schools inside blog jokes.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Apr 27, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
True.
Although I still don’t understand Roll Bama Roll and their “The Process” references. They scare me.
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by ReadingRambler on Apr 27, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I figured you would be more of a Bama fan
or at least up with their lingo since it is “The Machine” that runs the whole university
Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face
Charts? Did someone say charts?
Pie charts rock.

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by Pete the Streak on May 1, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Semi-related
But someone posted this breakdown of NFL draft picks by conference on FOS the other day…
ACC – 31
Big Ten – 33
Pac 10 – 28
Big East – 18
Big 12 – 30
SEC – 49
Conference USA – 7
MAC – 5
Mountain West – 13
WAC – 5
Sun Belt – 7
That's incredibly interesting
because that’s just about how I would have rated conference strength last year
Wait until next years draft.
Penn State won’t offer much in terms of quantity, but Ohio State graduates like 103 players next year. And after Pryor wins his second Heisman this year, he’ll certainly bolt for the NFL.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Apr 27, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Big East
Big Ten H8er Pat Forde tweeted after Anthony Davis went #11 overall something like “First Big East player drafted. Still waiting on the Big Ten.”
Douchea
Per team
Per team, that’s:
SEC: 4.08
Big Ten: 3.00
Pac 10: 2..80
ACC: 2.58
Big 12: 2.50
Big East: 2.25
Granted, the B12 owned the top of the draft, so a simple average per team isn’t completely fair. Regardless, the Big 12 minus Texas (6 picks) averaged 2.18 picks per team, further proof that the Big 12 is just the Big East plus Texas, and that really doesn’t give the Big East enough credit.
The SEC minus Florida (9 picks) still averaged 3.64 picks per team. Much closer to the pack? Yes. Still way ahead of everyone else? Yes.
The Big Ten still finishes not last amongst BCS conferences (ahead of the Big East and not far from the Big 12) without Penn State and Iowa’s 6 picks each (2.33 picks per team).
For all the credit I’ve given the Big East, the Big East minus South Florida (5 picks) averaged 1.86 picks per team. While not good, this is still comfortably ahead of the highest non-BCS conference average, the Mountain West, who had 1.44 picks per team (even though this isn’t entirely fair due to the military obligations of the Air Force Academy players).
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I don't know if this changes the numbers at all
but I really think you need to look at this on a 4-5 year average, and no I’m not going to do it.
I know about your diabolical plan.
Hmmm
It might be an interesting project, especially in the sense of convincing people that: 1)The Big 12 is garbage without Texas, 2)When looking for a league to raid for Big Ten expansion, the Big East may be superior to the Big 12 in terms of talent, especially if Texas isn’t in the conversation.
Reach out; touch faith.
Draft numbers are some of the most dubious "stats" around.
Oklahoma had a number of high picks. Is that a reflection of the quality of their football team?
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Apr 30, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
No, but
I don’t think so, but I do think it’s fairly representative of the relative NFL talent on a team. Perfect? No (What’s the difference, really, between a 6th round or later pick and an undrafted free agent?), but I do think it’s a good rough approximation.
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