PSU - Iowa to close out the year?
by ajs1122 on Apr 29, 2010 6:20 PM EDT
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PrintSince this is being discussed over at BHGP and some people are afraid to venture into enemy territory, I figured I'd ask the question over here? What's the Penn State fans' opinion of this newfound rivalry closing out our years?
My personal opinion:
Nope. There isn’t a team I’d rather play in primetime than Penn State. It would be a shame to lose the chance at that and have it just wash out as another end of the year game. No matter who Iowa plays that weekend, the spot light is on Michigan-tOSU and probably always will be. These days, when Iowa plays PSU, it’s a can’t miss game for the rest of the college football loving country and that exposure just isn’t gonna happen with anybody else. When people outside the conference circle BigXI games to pay attention to at the beginning of the year, it’s Mich-tOSU, Mich-ND, tOSU-USC, & Iowa-PSU. Penn State is viewed as a traditional power, and having this game as a flagship game for the BigXI is awesome.
Just my $0.02. Whatcha got?
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I question the legitimacy of Iowa as a US State
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
by showtime on Apr 29, 2010 6:55 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
PSU-Iowa as a "rivalry"
I don’t really feel any hatred toward Iowa. At all.
When they play Michigan and Ohio State (or Pitt a few years ago), I root for them, unless of course it behooves Penn State to have them lose as it did last year when they played Michigan. But truthfully, I don’t know if I can say a team I root for more often than not is a team I consider a rival. Of course, you could say the same about Sparty, but if we’re going to start calling Iowa a rival, it’s only because they beat us in a couple big games,
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I don't really understand your point here.
You admit you don’t “hate” Iowa, but then admit you don’t really hate MSU, plus MSU kinda sucks.
I would love playing Iowa in such a series. It’s not a natural rivalry, but there is enough dislike to fuel one. Also, Iowa is good and routinely beats us. MSU is a basketball school at this point.
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by ReadingRambler on Apr 29, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I like ending the year on a win
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by Adam Bittner on Apr 29, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure.
But my vision features Penn State-Ohio State as the Big Ten’s version of the October UT-Bama or OU-UT games. Sprinkle in a September game against quality OOC and Michigan every now and then. The only thing missing is a great end of season game, and no one in the conference can offer what Iowa can offer. That’s not pro-Iowa homerism, MSU has been within one score in Beaver Stadium twice over the last 50 years.
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by ReadingRambler on Apr 29, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude I'm married to an Iowa fan
I don’t care what happens in real life, it can’t make my home around the time of any PSU-UI games any better or worse than it is now.
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Welcome to my world.
Except replace the Iowa we-know-we’re-good-especially-cause-we-won-a-BCS-game demeanor with DAMMIT-MY-TEAM-SUX demeanor of a Michigan wife.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Apr 29, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
ugh neither one sounds very appealing
Like it or not iowa is a rival now. Just seeing their uniforms makes my skin crawl. I hunger for revenge like a starved dog on a short chain.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
Being that you cringe seeing Iowa Uni's...
Are you a Steelers fan? (assuming you’re from PA)
For the Glory of Old State
married to an Iowa fan
and moving to the seventh circle….I feel bad for you
by The JuggerNitt on Apr 30, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
i'll take your two cents, but i don't want your money
wait, what? i said it wrong. crap.
oh yeah, i hate iowa. or any state where all county borders are straight lines.
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by afields16 on Apr 30, 2010 8:24 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Be fair now
They don’t have things like ridgelines to clearly delineate borders, so they do the best they can. My question is why they couldn’t split one of the counties into two so they’d have an even 100. Quitters.
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by leeharvey418 on Apr 30, 2010 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I wish PA had even county and township borders.
Working with land deeds and plotting old leases is hard when there are over 30 different calls for a plot of land. It would be easier to say “It’s a square.” in the old deeds.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Apr 30, 2010 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Iowa County has to be the best
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by Adam Bittner on Apr 30, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Michigan also does this
and then names everything based off of that. It is kinda amusing seeing 8 Mile Rd in the middle of Bumblefark, MI, and imagining Eminem growing up there. (I’m not completely clear on the naming, but basically each county is made up of a grid of “mile” roads).
by The JuggerNitt on Apr 30, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
PS - Nice avatar, even if I disagree with the message it seeks to convey.
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I'd prefer Wisconsin
I get more excited about playing them than I do Iowa.
I remember someone proposing Wisconsin-Penn State having it’s own version of the Florida-Georgia Largest non-alcoholic Cocktail Party thing, except having it be centered around beer, cheese, brats, and cheesesteaks.
That sounds like when we play UW at Beaver Stadium.
Haven’t been to UW, but I assume it’s probably the same.
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Random thoughts:
I just can’t consider Iowa a rival. Much as I hate to say it, they have our number. A rivalry should be at least moderately competitive (see PSU-OSU). If we can start beating them, then yes. Let’s get the f8ckers back for keeping us out of the MNC.
Now, as for timing, I say keep it the way it is. Completely ditto ajs1122: because we’re a traditional power and Iowa is always a threat for us, it brings the national spotlight to early conference play. When (if) we beat them, we get some props. If not, they beat us and fly up the rankings, so we don’t fall that fast or that hard. More importantly, we have time to make up for the loss over the next 5-6 games.
Sure, OSU-scUM play at the end of the season, but the press slobbers over them both, so they’re always highly ranked (LOL at UM), so the loss isn’t devastating: remember 06 or 07, when they were 1-2, and UM still nearly got to replay OSU for the MNC. Iowa simply doesn’t have that kind of clout because they get most of their notoriety each year for beating us. We wouldn’t get the same kind of love as OSU/UM.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
I feel like we're viewing this in a 2-year vaccuum
Yes, Iowa has beaten us in big games two years in a row. So now they’re a rival? And citing the 7 out of the last 8 thing doesn’t do anything for me either. The first 5 came during our dark years. Everyone beat us in those years. Then they rotated off our schedule for two years when we got better and they sucked. There is definitely room for HATE for Iowa, but I’m not ready to call them a rival quite yet.
Fine, don't call us a rival (yet)
But I think the Big Ten wants a marquee game that doesn’t involve tOSU or Michigan, and right now this is the best in the conference. They clearly know that and are playing it up. I don’t see either team really having the bottom fall out any time soon either. I’m all for seeing a game under the lights every year against you guys if it means both teams look to be battling for BCS berths.
Fuck tOSU
Well it wouldn't be under the lights per se
No night games in November. But it would end under the lights so I take it that’s what you mean.
I don’t know, I guess I’m just content with Sparty to end the year. They’re typically good enough that they somewhat bring the big game feel, but bad enough that we know we’re gonna beat them, and I like that for the last game of the year.
Frankly, I think I’d like it best if we played Iowa in the first conference game of the year like we did this year. It gives us something to immediately look forward to those first couple weeks of the season, and it gives the loser a lot of time to recover.
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by Adam Bittner on Apr 30, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats exactly what I'm saying.
I don’t want it to end the year. I want it to be a Sept/Oct game so it can be under the lights and in the spotlight as often as possible…
Fuck tOSU
I wouldn't mind it being a little later
just to give the team a bit more prep time. Like last year, I think the game would have been a bit different had it been played in week 8 instead of week 4. Probably still would have lost, but I don’t think it would have been quite as embarrassing.
by The JuggerNitt on Apr 30, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope my post didn't come across as "Iowa isn't worth being a rival"
Because that’s not what I think. I like and respect Iowa quite a bit. Iowa and Wisconsin are the Big Ten programs I find myself rooting for the most when they aren’t playing us. There have been many good games with Iowa. Iowa-Penn State is a big game. No doubt. It’s just that a rivalry is a unique sort of thing that can’t be created.
1.a person who is competing for the same object or goal as another, or who tries to equal or outdo another; competitor.
2.a person or thing that is in a position to dispute another’s preeminence or superiority
Also, we’re playing a fake, totally forced “rivalry” with MSU so I’m not really seeing a downside to this. From our side anyway.
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by ReadingRambler on Apr 30, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
It's safe to say we're talking about rivalries
in the “hate” sense of the word i.e. Tennessee/Florida, UGa/GT, Oregon State/Oregon, etc. The PSU/MSU game has one of those Texas/Texas Tech feelings to it; TT sure considers UT to be a rival while Texas considers Tech to be another game.
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by Kyle McCann't on Apr 30, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Disagree.
I haven’t seen any sentiment from MSU fans resembling that. They’re focused on UM. To the point where most of the MSU fans I met in 2008 were nice and congratulating us.
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by ReadingRambler on Apr 30, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess I mean in the sense
that it’s dubbed a rivalry, even if it’s by networks/front offices, that isn’t really what we think of when discussing a major part of what makes CFB great. There actually really aren’t any good parallels for the MSU/PSU game because it is so uniquely artificial.
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by Kyle McCann't on Apr 30, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't have an issue with Iowa
by speedomike on Apr 30, 2010 8:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
being the last game of the season
I just don’t see the point in calling it a rivalry. It’s really just a semantics thing that I am only harping on because there is no football for 4 months so may as well talk about something.
by speedomike on Apr 30, 2010 8:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You mean the Land Grant trophy is meaningless?
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by letsgopsu on May 1, 2010 12:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
There's a problem with this:
The first 5 came during our dark years.
The first two of those wins for Iowa came during their dark years as well. It’s just one team having another’s number, no excuses needed.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Apr 30, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
our dark years sucked worse than your dark years
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Uh
a 3-9 Iowa beat 5-7 PSU in ‘00 and 6-5 (before bowling) Iowa beat 5-6 PSU the next season (which means the head-to-head made the difference). I think you’re taking some liberties with that sentiment.
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by Kyle McCann't on Apr 30, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I was being flippant and not really serious
but point taken.
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But you have to be aware
that this is an excuse often used by Penn State fans when trying to explain their record against Iowa in recent years. I’m just saying it’s a slippery slope because then you’d have Iowa fans arguing that ’07’s loss to PSU shouldn’t count for the same reasons.
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by Kyle McCann't on Apr 30, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not saying they don't count
I’m just saying that them you’d think losing 7 of 8 games to a team would build up some major animosity. We were losing so much during those years that the Iowa losses didn’t really stick out and make me really feel like we needed payback. The last two years, yes. But the Iowa ownage doesn’t compare to the Michigan 9-year ownage. There were 5 losses during the Michigan streak that really, really stung (1997, 1999, 2002, 2005, 2007). I guess the 2002 Iowa game falls into that category but that’d be it. My general point was that the “rivalry” with Iowa is based on the last 2 years. Or at least to me it is.
I'd say 2008 Iowa stung a bit more than 2002 Iowa
unless you weren’t counting 2008 & 2009 since you already mentioned them with the “the last two years, yes” statement.
by The JuggerNitt on Apr 30, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't consider Iowa and Penn State rivals.
It’s pretty well accepted that, aside from small circles, the two schools have more respect for one another than animosity. I was literally only referring to the “dark years” concept that gets bandied about. I don’t want PSU to be Iowa’s season finale; I’m a traditionalist that would like to continue seeing either Minnesota or Wisconsin as the season’s last game for Iowa. As for Penn State, I think we’ll need to see an Eastern school added to the mix before that happens. Hell, if the Big Ten shockingly doesn’t expand, I’d still like to see PSU renew either the Pitt or Maryland games as their finale; they’d be far from the only school to go OOC far their season’s last game.
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by Kyle McCann't on Apr 30, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Just wanted to point out that the all time series is tied at 11-11.
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by ReadingRambler on Apr 30, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Where is this Iowa place?
I have heard of it, but don’t actually know where it is…has anyone ever been there?
by Rocky Mountain Nittany Lion on Apr 30, 2010 12:10 PM EDT reply actions
I have taken more than a few road trips to/through PA.
I wouldn’t throw too many stones if I were you.
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by Kyle McCann't on Apr 30, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
the middle of the state isn’t much different from any southern or midwestern state. HOWEVER, Philly and to a lesser extent Pittsburgh are different
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That's what I say about Chicago
when describing Illinois or the Twin Cities when talking about Minnesota or Madison when bringing up Wisconsin or Cleveland when…wait, no, Cleveland is exactly what you’d expect from Ohio.
I will say that, in regards to PA, random detours to Falling Water have never gotten old; my wife was so irritated with me when I veered off course there in ’04 on the way to DC. I had been there before but she had never heard of it and left completely energized and still talks about it to this day.
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by Kyle McCann't on Apr 30, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Falling Water?
I never heard of that place but will definitely have to check it out next time I am on the western side of the state
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by Adam Bittner on May 1, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
If you live in PA
you have no excuse not to go at least once. Love him or hate him, Frank Lloyd Wright made several indelible contributions to architecture and changed the way people think about form, function and a structures’ relationship to its environment. Falling Water, along with Taliesin East and West, Unity Temple, the Guggenheim Museum and the Robie House are some of the purest expressions of his vision. Sorry for the crazy tangent, but architecture is in the blood of most Chicagoans.
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by Kyle McCann't on May 1, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
awesome tangent--thanks!
Worthy of pictorial import. Admittedly, the majority of my appreciation for Frank Lloyd Wright is in reverse, from Ayn Rand, but peepin a few of these sites in person is def on my bucket list.
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PSU vs. jNW is in Happy Valley this year
but if next years’ game is in Evanston you should absolutely come out. Oak Park, which is right off public transit, has the highest concentration of Frank Lloyd Wright homes of anywhere in the world (including his former home and studio and the previously-pictured Unity Temple). They’re actually all so close together that they’re part of a walking tour; completely worth your time, even if it’s not what you’d think of as a typical football weekend activity.
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by Kyle McCann't on May 2, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Really?
I stayed in Oak Park on a trip one time and didn’t notice that haha
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by Adam Bittner on May 2, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
If you stayed in Oak Park then you were probably downtown
which means you were about 100 yards from the closest FLW building. There are, like, signs…everywhere!
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by Kyle McCann't on May 2, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait a minute.
There’s no way (or at least little chance) that you stayed in Oak Park. My guess is Oakbrook (home of Hamburger U!); was it an organic-feeling, high-end, leafy community, or a giant swath of hotels, strip malls and restaurants?
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by Kyle McCann't on May 2, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Ahhh it was Oak Brook
Stayed at the Hilton Suites.
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If you're in Chicago on business
you’re staying downtown (if your company is filthy rich and you’re an exec), around O’Hare or out in Oak Brook.
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by Kyle McCann't on May 2, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I was actually there on a school trip
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...
was it to Chicago or somewhere around Oak Brook? If it’s the latter…weird.
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by Kyle McCann't on May 2, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
It was to Chicago, that's just where we stayed.
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Disagree
but it is true more often than not, if that’s what you’re going for.
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by Kyle McCann't on May 1, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, I LIKE Pennsylvania
especially (don’t laugh) Pittsburgh. But it’s really not that much different in terms of of culture than most of the country. It was your very own RUTS that dropped the old Carville quote of "Pittsburgh and Philadelphia with Alabama in between." That’s not that far from the truth.
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by Kyle McCann't on May 1, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I'm confused
And may have missed your original point. But I also think we’re saying the same thing. Every state in the country has it’s big cities, unique climate, rural areas, etc. So I think you were like “hey Iowa isn’t that bad, and Pennsylvania has no reason to look down on it”. And then I was all, “wait are you saying Pennsylvania sucks? Because I think it’s basically the same as everywhere else when it comes down to it” and then you go “yeah sort of but not really” and then I was like……ok I’ll stop this. The wife and I are watching The Hurt Locker.
Then go pay attention.
That movie is way better than talking to me…although I’m not really sure why they needed Evangeline Lilly for that role; I see here and think “wonder when Sawyer and Jack are going to show up”…whatever.
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by Kyle McCann't on May 1, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
That would be
“see HER” not “here”. Gah!
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by Kyle McCann't on May 1, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I would like to point out there is a mostly non-Bama-esque
region in the center of the state.
You’re welcome, Pennsylvania.
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I forget what comedian it was
but he came up to PSU I want to say my freshman year (1999-2000) and described Pennsylvania as Philadelphia, cows, cows, cows, cows, cows, 20,000 hot chicks, cows, cows, cows, cows Pittsburgh
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Chappelle used that joke my sophomore year (2002).
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by Jeff Junstrom on May 4, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I've always seen it connected to Jon Stewart.
"I did my walk of shame this morning and everyone was so much nicer," she said. "People were inviting me to parties at 9 a.m."
Sadly for Penn State
he was taking a zig-zag route through the state and was actually describing the women of Lancaster County. My man Chappelle is a freak for bonnets.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on May 5, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Wisconsin is a bit higher on
my hate scale, if for no other reason than Bielema. The last few PSU-Iowa games sure do lay the blueprint for reasons to hate you guys. All good foundations for a rivalry.
Unfortunately you guys don’t or haven’t recently had a polarizing figure to be the hate lightening rod. It only takes one. How many less people would hate Duke Basketball if Christian Laettner had never played for them?
Even the fans we spent time with at the College Game Day were fun. I didn’t run into a jackass the whole day – where were all the BHGP posters? Zing!
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One sat by me in the game. His friend told him to shut up and be polite in someone else's house
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I think the answer to your Duke question is probably "Some Kentucky fans only"
Because after Henderson vs. Hansbrough and “WHAT’S HE DOING TO WOJO OMG??”, I don’t think Laettner is much of a lightning rod.
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by ReadingRambler on Apr 30, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
WHO HATES IOWA?
WE HATE IOWA!
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by ReadingRambler on Apr 30, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
It might be Pitt again
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