The Replacements
In late March, right as many schools were enjoying the thrills of the NCAA Tournament, our own Nittany Lion basketballers appeared to be right on the edge of mediocrity and oblivion with the departures of Chris Babb and Bill Edwards via transfer and Andrew Ott and Adam Highberger's early graduations.
Babb's departure meant replacing Penn State's best pure perimeter shooter. The loss of Edwards and Ott represented a depletion of any depth Penn State had previously accrued in the front court.
Ed Dechellis was going to have to replace all of these players in the late signing period, with many of the best players in the country already signed and committed to schools for 2010-2011. So far, he's filled two of the three scholarships available with 6'2" shooting guard Tre Bowman out of York and 6'8" power forward/tweener type Jonathan Graham from the Baltimore area.
At the risk of being labeled "OMG APOLOGIST!" I must say I'm pretty optimistic about the talent ED has added in the last couple of months. So let's get to it.
DeChellis first landed Bowman in late March. Since then, you may have seen the following highlight video around the internets, but if you haven't yet, enjoy. (Sound track is NSFW, so watch it on mute)
The first thing that jumps out at me is how well Bowman appears to run the floor. That's something we didn't see a whole lot of from Babb, although to be fair, there's no indication that Penn State will use Bowman to push the pace, especially early on.
Bowman appears to be a pretty balanced guy. His ESPN.com profile says...
Bowman is a versatile player who does a number of things well but isn't great in any particular area. He's a good shooter with his feet set, shows good athleticism slashing to the basket and finishing, and is solid defensively.
That "solid defensively" is probably a sigh of relief to those who grew tired of Babb's on-ball guarding abilities. It'll also be nice to have a guard beyond Talor Battle and possibly Buie willing to attack the basket, something neither Cammeron Woodyard or Babb appeared all that thrilled to do.
With Buie and Tim Frazier likely the front runners to take over the two spot for Babb, Bowman will compete with Woodyard for top guard duty off the bench. We might not see all too much of him early, but situationally, he gives the staff some tools to work with depending upon what's going on in the game.
Graham became a Nittany Lion Thursday. Commenter tgrot gave the scoop in the comments:
I’m a freshman at Maryland and I went to the same high school as Jon (and Juan Dixon, for that matter), so I’d figure I’d share some of what I know. First off, he is as great of a kid and teammate as you will find. There are no character issues there. He is a relentless worker and never takes a play off. About his abilities, he was as good of a low-block scorer as anyone in Baltimore his last 2 years of high school. He has good post-up moves and is able to back down players and finish under the rim.
Towards his senior year he started to somewhat develop an outside shot (although thats not what his role should be in college). I think he started to do that because he realized he isn’t nearly physically stong enough to be a big-time center. But with that experience shooting from the perimeter comes more range and he is not limited to dunks and layups. His rebounding/hands are also excellent. Hardly do balls ever leave his hands from passes and rebounds. If he gets his hands on it, its his rebound.
I guess the only negative is his physical size. He is a tweener for sure. Has the height/stature of a small forward but has always been the big man on his team, so his game tends to be more like a power forward. 6’8’’ is a good size for a 4, he just needs to bulk up some to become a legitimate post threat in the Big Ten. A player I would compare him too is fellow Baltimore Catholic League alum and UMD player Dino Gregory. He is 6’7", but played big man in high school. He was a junior this past season and really became a solid college player. He came in as a lanky tweener like Jon, but has bulked up became our best rebounder off the bench and was even able to take 2-3 15 footers a game, and make them.
What you can expect from Jon for the first 2 years or so is a few points here and there, but more likely to grab some key rebounds, play very good defense, and hopefully polish his mid-range/outside jumper to become a pretty good player in the Big Ten. You guys got a player that was underrated in my (albeit somewhat biased) opinion. He isn’t Derrick Favors, but he will be a better than advertised 4 year player who will represent Penn State as well as any student-athlete can.
Not a whole lot of video highlights on Graham, although you can find some highlights of his team here and in a few other places where he shows up sporadically (#25).
It's hard to know just what role Graham will fill once he gets on campus. He could see himself trapped behind Penn State's senior front court of Jeff Brooks, David Jackson, and Andrew Jones as well as sophomore Sasa Borovnjak and others. He could also play his way into Edwards' old 3/4 bench role or even a starting spot if any of the upperclassmen falter at points as they did last season.
No matter what, though, he gives the Lions a long body where they desperately needed one for depth in the short term and a measure of stability in the front court in the long term.
Overall, I'd say despite the obvious obstacles the staff faced in replacing so many players late in the recruiting cycle, the coaches did a nice job with this patchwork class. Both of these players appear to be guys who can contribute off the bench right away, and grown into bigger roles along side Taran Buie once Battle and Co. have graduated.
Also, I think it's important to note the obvious emphasis on the future with this class. With many saying 2010-2011 could be DeChellis' make or break season, it's be easy for him to perhaps go after some more polished junior college players more capable of saving his job, but he hasn't to this point. He's added players that have to potential to be contributors down the road, and given his situation, I'd say that's kind of commendable.
We'll keep you posted on what, if anything, happens with the last remaining scholarship. Here's hoping it's a big guy.
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They're not bad pickups considering how late it was.
Still, it’s hard to escape the notion that the program is desperately trying to tread water.
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on May 18, 2010 9:56 AM EDT reply actions
Expectations
What are our collective expectations of the program? There’s 3 categories that I’ve noted on this site:
WHY CAN’T US?! — want NCAA tourny bids annually, compete for league titles, and otherwise be a factor in NCAA basketball. These people want Ed’s testicles mounted in the BJC like a banner after last season.
JUST GIVE US SOMETHING TO ROOT FOR AFTER FOOTBALL IS OVER — want a consistently competitive if not occasionally very good program that gets a NCAA bid every 2-3 years and is just good enough to not make people laugh out loud when you say “hey, can you turn the channel, Penn State basketball is on”.
WTF BASKETBALL?! — believe we should have a D-1 hockey team before we worry about this ‘basketball thing’. believe this school has never had any level of success at this sport in the modern era and there’s no point in becoming upset over its continued futility.
I say keep Ed, b/c he seems like a decent human being and he’s done a whole lot better then his predecessors. I understand and respect everyone’s point of view, but in all honesty I can’t stand NCAA basketball half the time b/c of the refs, so it’s hard to care that much.
Do you want the mustache on, or off?
Too bad.
put me in the WTF group
When in doubt, punt!
- John Heisman
by carolinaeasy on May 18, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm squarely in the second group.
It’s just sad to not have any hope in February when there’s so much fun, meaningful basketball being played across the country. PSU basketball fans have accepted that the athletic department is going to shortchange the program, especially compared to other B10 schools. We don’t like it, but reality is what it is. What we can’t accept is being a perennial punchline in the conference standings. If they could just be around .500 for a three or four year period, I think that would be enough for most people.
There will always be a segment that says “why can’t us?”, and I’d agree with that sentiment if it wasn’t so abundantly clear that the athletic department isn’t willing to commit enough resources to make that even the most remote possibility. That’s its own travesty, I know. Winning basketball games just isn’t important to those folks.
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on May 18, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I also fit neatly into #2.
But I’m afraid that means the AD has me right where they want me. What I mean is, that desire (a good team every 2-3) means I will at least sort of follow the team every year. Enough that I consider going to a game every year (if I weren’t 450 miles away I would go to a few each year), and threaten to, but haven’t yet, cancel my package with BTN once football season ends.
Every 8 or so years with a decent team is just about right to keep stringing me along. If it were any longer I would definitely check out. But this is just about the right amount of time for me to (1) get excited; (2) start talking about what they could do to become a consistently competitive team; (3) start making jokes when the improvement turns out to be just a spike and not upward trend ;(4) get depressed and yell for some changes; (5) recapture hope at the first good sign; and (6) get really excited about the team again.
I’m not saying it’s intentional, but why should they up the committment with TV money and us cramming busses filled with people at the first sniff of an NIT run?
by PSUinBOSSton on May 18, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Me thinks you just
designed the ultimate PSU Basketball t-shirt. The “Lifecycle of A PSU Basketball Fan”. The last picture in the cycle is a doctor yelling clear as he shocks your heart back to life – before returning you to the beginning.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
I don't know if they've decided on one yet
But someone should definitely submit this for the Nittany Nation official t-shirt competition.
My thoughts
1 Penn State can compete in anything it wants, if it’s willing to dedicate the resources to it;
2 If Butler can make the Final Four, please don’t tell me Penn State can’t compete in the Big Ten;
3 Assume the standard is build a team over long periods of time, to compete at the top of the Big Ten once every three or four years, similar to the football model (although National Title contention is the standard for foorball), and I’m comfortable with this, you can decide whether or not we’re there, getting there, or even aware of there is.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
Hate that Butler arguement
Basketball is different, a lot of those small schools have nothing else, so they put all of their beans into basketball. There are so many schools the size of Butler that suceed every year. Plus Butler has Hinkle Fieldhouse.
Bullshit
If Butler can compete with Duke, we can be competitive in the Big Ten. I hate the defeatist we have too many disadvantages argument that literally believes that Gonzaga can be good at something and we can’t.
Hell I took classes at Penn State that were nearly the size of Butler’s entire undergraduate enrollment, or Duke’s for that fact.
Obvisoulsy there is more to this than enrollement, but Butler isn’t even really a traditional basketball power. They have a good coach, and a neat gym.
Penn State basketball is a train wreck of mistakes, some of which would be costly and uncomfortable to correct. But we can be competitive if we really wanted to. I honestly don’t believe that there is a commitment to win, so I honetly don’t care what they do.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
Agree with everything
you said jesse.
I just wish that I could find a way not to care.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
cocaine is a hell of a drug
When in doubt, punt!
- John Heisman
by carolinaeasy on May 18, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Not arguing that
I know we can be competitive, but saying “If team x is a small school and be competitive, then we should be because we are big!” Size of school doesn’t matter, it only matters if your school cares enough to put money into it. Butler a few years ago rennovated some things in Hinkle, built up the facilities, and made a leap.
Some other examples: St. Mary’s, Gonzaga, Xavier, Dayton. And those are schools from small conferences. Major conferences: Vandy, Texas A&M, endless examples.
Big or small doesn’t matter, it’s just putting time and money because in today’s game every team has a chance with parity.
Butler was a Missouri Valley Conference power for many many years.
the old MVA schools have always competed well. Butler, Cinncinnati, Bradley, Creighton, Drake, Witchita State, even Oral Roberts were strong programs in the ‘60s and ’70s and do have much more basketball history and heritage than Penn State. Not saying PSU shouldn’t be able to compete, just saying Butler is a really bad choice to use. Florida is a much better example of a so so bb school that built itself to a respected power.
Although we weren't winning the games
I’d still argue that we were somewhat competitive in the Big 10 this year and last, but that’s besides the point right now.
If Penn State really decided to commit to the basketball program, we’d most likely see some improvement, but it is an arms race, and if we really showed any significant improvement, the other programs in the Big 10 would just step up their game even more. It is unrealistic to expect we’d be competing with MSU and Indiana and Wisky and Purdue and OSU etc on a year to year basis, so we’d be putting all these added resources to still finish in the middle of the pack, with a flash in the pan year every now and then.
Would it be worth it? Maybe, I dunno. It would definitely be more enjoyable, but I just don’t see the support increasing that much for a slightly less bad team, and as I said, I just don’t see us ever likely becoming an elite program.
by The JuggerNitt on May 18, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
the risk/reward calculation
for spending more money on the basketball program is definitely difficult. There would clearly be some reward for the financial risk of spending more money. But how large would the reward be? And more importantly, how would the on-the-court reward (of more wins and NCAA bids, etc) translate into a reward to the university in terms of more alumni donations, better PR, etc.?
Its just very hard to know, and given that its likely fair to call the average PSUer slightly better than apathetic about the state of the basketball program, there’s little incentive for the athletic program to invest more heavily in hoops.
In English: it doesn’t make sense for anyone to put more $ into the hoops program unless more people care and demand greatness from PSU hoops.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
Sometimes you have
to spend money to make money and sometimes you can just STEP into more.
PSU Men’s BB is such a huge missed opportunity.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
by rahpsu92 on May 18, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Butler
Hate the Butler argument too. Sure, we “can” win like Butler did. Or we “can” perform like Illinois-Chicago or Youngstown St. It’s easy to point to exceptions, but the reality is that for small schools in mid major conferences, it’s very tough to compete with the “big boys” and just because an exception comes around from time to time doesn’t mean that there is some easy blueprint to follow if only a school is “committed”. Sure, you need to put the resources in place, but you also need a hell of a lot of luck and good timing.
PSU is in the same boat. Yes, we can become a very good team and even a perenial contender. It’s possible. But there’s simply no sure fire way to do it and expecting that PSU’s leadership can automatically do it just by “committing to winner” is IMHO unreasonable.
Note: I’m not saying I’m happy with how PSU has treated the sport. I think they can do far bettter. But even if they do, I don’t expect tourney qualification every year or making the Final Four or anything. I think the “making the tourney every 2-3 years” type scenario is a much more realistic expectation that PSU should be able to do if they put the resources towards it. But beyond that, it’s too much of a crapshoot to hold it against the school leadership.
Also in the second group
As for this particular news: While there is nothing bad about these pick-ups per se, the overall context and direction of the basketball program still sucks. Celebrating these pick-ups seems like celebrating finding a $20 bill as your house burns down.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
by spakajewia on May 18, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
/+1'd.
Yeah, it feels like the equivalent of finding a crappy CD in the $1 clearance bin. Sure, it’s only a dollar, but it’s still a Fine Young Cannibals album.
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on May 18, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I think a key this year will be Jermain Marshall.
Kid could play in high school. Had he not been hurt his senior year he may have been the best player in PA, minus the Philly leagues. He may be why Babb decided to leave. Its not like they didn’t play against each other in practice and I wouldn’t be surprised if ED likes Marshall’s game alot. Long, runs the floor, finishes at the hoop and could shoot from anywhere. The two late pickups seem like decent guys with potential to grow into good players with some work ethic. I’m always optimistic, though. You will rarely hear me complain about a kid’s ability. Just hope the staff starts developing players. Jones has come a long ways, maybe not as far as some would like but he has really come a long way. Battle is better every year. It just seems that the light hasn’t come on yet for Brooks, the flashes of, may I call it greatness, show through occasionally, not nearly enough though. I would like to see competive BB at PSU. Don’t have to be top 25 all the time but it would be nice to be still hoping for a bid most March’s.
Good Call
Perhaps through fault of my own, Marsheall always slips under the radar in these discussions. The only chance I’ve had to see him was in the scrimmage last fall, and even then, he didn’t get a whole lot of time. But if he has a competent jump shot and is actually willing to go after the basket, I have a feeling I’ll like him a lot.
God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...
by For The Glory 1855 on May 18, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I only vote for "Buckeyes Suck"
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Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face
just about to post this very thing.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
I am firmly committed
to the “wait and see” approach.
Apologies if this has been discussed previously, but for yinz people who want “more resources” applied to b-ball, what are you thinking that this should entail? We’ve built a new arena, and it seems like they should have all the money they need. I can’t imagine that there’s any lack of gym/training equipment. A new, high-priced coach? Is that feasible given the lack of b-ball tradition here?
We don't need a high-priced coach
Just a guy who’s done a solid job at the mid-major level (not a low-major level school like East Tennessee State) and is looking to take the next step up. Fran McCaffrey was one guy who came to mind and needless to say, I’m jealous Iowa landed him first.
It's not cheating if you do it on the Kiss-Cam.
The "New" Mantra
at best, we’ve got two-three years of hearing about our team’s “youth” ahead of us. “What do you expect from young kids?” we’ve heard it all before. the kids who left were dechellis’ kids. he can’t even run a minor league program like ours without defections and having to scramble during the late signing period. c the only thing i can say in dechellis’ defense is that if we fired him there’s a 99% chance we’d hire someone equally as incompetent.
I want hockey, not this crap!
"I want your money, but I don't want your two cents." - JVP
by ReadingRambler on May 18, 2010 3:28 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Wish granted...
They’re still playing hockey outside in Ioway.
by DerryPharmer on May 18, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Now your just fishing for rec's from me
"I did my walk of shame this morning and everyone was so much nicer," she said. "People were inviting me to parties at 9 a.m."
Tre Bowman
Bowman looks really quick with a quick release. In that the video is before he prepped, he should look pretty good right away.



























