ESPN Skips Like A Broken Record
First off, let me say I like Adam Rittenberg. I've exchanged emails with him a few times and he seems like a good guy. He has a tough job in that he has to know all eleven Big Ten teams, and he has to know them well enough to put up multiple blog posts per day. So it's understandable that some story lines are going to have to be recycled. But good God, man, am I going to have to listen to a broken record all the way until August?
Here is what he wrote on Monday.
The Blue-White Game set off alarm bells for many folks, as quarterbacks Kevin Newsome and Matt McGloin struggled behind a shuffled offensive line.
Fair enough. Here's what he wrote on Tuesday.
It's unrealistic to expect a Penn State team with an inexperienced quarterback to win in Tuscaloosa against the defending national champs.
Hmmm...okay. Here's what he wrote yesterday in quoting Stewart Mandel.
But one can't help but think that his father [Joe Paterno] would sooner stitch dragon flames on the Nittany Lions' jerseys than start a true freshman on the road at Alabama on Sept. 11.
I'm sensing a theme here. He followed up that post later in the day with this mailbag response.
I'm not sure McGloin can be that guy and still avoid costly interceptions. He certainly made some questionable throws in the spring game, although that's only one scrimmage. Honestly, I don't think any of us can cast our votes right now. We need to see more from McGloin, Newsome, Jones and maybe even Robert Bolden in fall camp.
But why stop there? Let's go for the hat trick!
Fall questions
1. Quarterback questions: Newsome and McGloin didn't do much to ease the anxiety of Penn State fans in the spring game. McGloin had two interceptions and nearly had a third, and Newsome completed only 5 of 12 pass attempts. There's a long way to go before the season, but Penn State needs to see more progress from these two or the prospect of starting a true freshman quarterback will become a likelihood.
Wait...he wouldn't...four times in one day?
The spring game wasn't as kind to Penn State quarterbacks Kevin Newsome and Matt McGloin, whose struggles raised concern and possibly opened the door for true freshman Paul Jones.
He's not done yet folks. He's just warming up. In honor of Cinco de Mayo, let's go for five.
4. Penn State unsettled at quarterback: Jay Paterno doesn't sound too worried, but Penn State's quarterbacks didn't make a great first (public) impression in the Blue-White Game, as Kevin Newsome and Matt McGloin both struggled. Early enrollee Paul Jones played well and might have worked his way into the mix; that is, if Joe Paterno could stomach playing a true freshman under center. There's no clear leader in what should be a very intriguing race.
Okay, I think he's done now. No? Okay one more.
Paul Jones might challenge Joe Paterno's stance on true freshmen after his performance in the Blue-White Game. While sophomore quarterbacks Kevin Newsome and Matt McGloin struggled, Jones, an early enrollee, connected for two touchdown passes.
Again, I like Adam Rittenberg, but this is the stuff ESPN does that drives people crazy. They take a story line, set up all kinds of preconceived notions, and beat it to death. The next thing you know people are comparing Newsome and McGloin to Michigan's horrid quarterback situation in 2008.
This isn't the first time Rittenberg has done this. Last year in the early spring he was telling us daily that Penn State's defensive line was going to struggle with Maurice Evans and Aaron Maybin gone. That was until your humble blogger sent him a kindly worded email telling him he was barking up the wrong tree. Every Penn State fan knew the defensive line was going to be fine with Odrick, Ogbu, and Crawford being coached by Larry Johnson, the best defensive line coach in the game today. I suggested at the time he should focus more on the secondary and offensive line. Looking back on the 2009 season I'll let you judge who was more correct.
I agree that Penn State's quarterback situation is unsettled, but I don't think it's anywhere near the apocalyptic proportion everyone is making it out to be based on one spring scrimmage. Maize-n-Brew's comparison to Threet and Sheridan is laughable. IIRC, Michigan had only two or three scholarship offensive linemen going into that season. I think they had one starter returning on the entire offense. They had no feature running back until Brandon Minor emerged halfway through the season. Their defense was terrible and gave them no support. And everyone was learning a new system Rich Rodriguez practially invented. You would have thought a tidal wave was about to take over the conference if you listen to the pundits.
Now compare that to Penn State this year. Evan Royster might be the best all around running back in the league. His backup, Stephfon Green, has been around several years and knows the system if Royster gets hurt. All of the wide receivers that helped Daryll Clark become the first PSU quarterback to eclipse 3,000 yards in a season return. There is some shuffling on the offensive line going on, but Wisniewski, Eliades, Pannell and Troutman all have a ton of experience, and there are three or four other quality guys fighting for the last spot. There is a ton of depth on the offensive line for the coaches to work with there.
The defense looks just as nasty. Everyone returns in the secondary except for the underachieving A.J. Wallace. There are three or four guys jockeying for that spot as well as challenging the established starters. The linebackers are looking fine, and the defensive line only has to replace Jared Odrick, which Devon Still is doing a fine job of.
Rittenberg is so concerned about the quarterback position he didn't even rank Penn State in the top three in his post spring power ranking post. I don't think this Penn State team has a chance to win the National Championship or anything, but if the quarterback position is the only position people can point to as a thing of concern, I think they'll be alright.
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This actually makes me feel better.
His focus on the QB’s is understandable because (1) they’re quarterbacks, which automatically draws attention, (2) there can’t be too many other glaring holes on the team, and (3) whatevs, yo, we’re just going to run the ball 35-40 times per game next year anyway.
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on May 6, 2010 10:02 AM EDT reply actions
Another fine example of tWWL being its own worst enemy
There’s been an attitude of ‘more is better’ for a long time at ESPiN, and I think it’s reached the tipping point of total overload. Yeah, it’s the off-season, and these guys need to do something to justify their paychecks at this time of year, but seriously – why is Rittenberg even making six posts on PSU in one day? It’s obviously not because he has fresh new content to post. It’s because Diznee corporate management sees a web traffic report that says they get a certain number of hits for every new post on the Big Ten blog and demands that he keep posting more filler, even if it’s just rehashing exactly what he posted the first five times that day. Of course, obviously somebody kept going back every time PSU came up…
"Nothing turns me on like doe estrus." - ReadingRambler
And...
This is why GOOD bloggers are gaining more readers. I get better PSU news from here than anywhere. I only use tWWL for Gamecast of Phillies games I can’t get.
"Red, it took me sixteen years to get here. You play me, and I'll give ya the best I got."
I’m sensing a theme here.
I am too: we’ve talked about dragons for two days in a row now.
I know about your diabolical plan.
by KevinHD on May 6, 2010 10:22 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Ya gotta unleash the dragon, bro

"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt

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by millzners on May 6, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Where was that attitude at the end of the MSU game?
Need 30 F’ It Im thought underneath!
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by carolinaeasy on May 6, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
*throw* it underneath
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BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on May 6, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I remember him taking 4 shots at the endzone despite having enough time on the clock to run the ball and throw some underneath routes. I just remember Carter had 2 nice runs right in a row and the Jay called in the desperation plays waaaaay too early.
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Too bad.
That last play is what sticks out to me
Crossing pattern underneath…But hey he hit his fourth read!
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by carolinaeasy on May 6, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Baby steps, dude. Baby steps.
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on May 6, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Thank god he is gone!
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BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on May 6, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
My Dad and I took the cynical approach while watching that game.
We just kinda shrugged after the four straight passes thing, and then the last “possession” that you mentioned ended with us just laughing.
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by ReadingRambler on May 6, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
But for the prevent defense implemented the whole second half.....
the Dragon would never have been put in that situation. It amazes me how PSU fans put that loss on Morelli when the lion’s share of the blame falls on Bradley!
I thought only safeties played 15 yards off the ball?
I don't disconcur.
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by ReadingRambler on May 6, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
And any blame on the offense is on Jay not Morelli. We all knew Morelli’s weaknesses at that point. He wasn’t going to come through in the clutch and win the game with a well thrown deep pass. But Jay called in 4 consecutive home-run pass plays anyway even as the run game was taking over b/c MSU was in prevent defense — it was just obvious Jay panicked at the end of that game.
The more I think about it, the more I believe Morelli’s biggest problem was that Jay trusted him too much. Jay wanted to release the dragon too, it wasn’t just Morelli. Jay wanted Morelli to release the dragon and then hop on and ride it around the stadium.
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I thought Jay was firmly in the DC camp? As in, it was Joe whom was afraid of bruising Morelli's ego
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
No one has any idea what really happened.
Joe said he wanted to stick with Morelli, and that keeping DC on the bench was his decision. The anti-Jay way to look at this is dad protecting his son by taking ownership of the decision. I honestly have no idea weather it was Jay or Joe that stayed loyal to Morelli for so long, but neither does anyone else outside of the 2007 staff.
I know about your diabolical plan.
I just figured that since Jay and DC seem so close, that Jay supported him
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
This statement is very creepy.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
I tried to italicize only the word "seem", but it did the whole line
I was trying to make the point that Jay is very buddy-buddy with whoever he needs to be at the time.
The story changed, and people bought it.
The deal was that Joe wanted to put DC in the game and Jay protested. When it eventually became apparent that putting DC in the game would’ve been the correct decision, Joe changed the story to “Jay wanted me to give DC a chance but I was too stubborn.” Protecting his coaches, protecting his son, etc.
Not that I have a problem with that — it’s what a good coach/father does — but that doesn’t change what actually happened.
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on May 6, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't even try explaining that to people anymore.
They believe what they want to believe.
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
I know, man. I know.
And inevitably someone asks for a source on what I wrote above, and there isn’t one. But we both followed the discussions on FOS following that debacle, and it was pretty clear what happened.
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on May 6, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Just asking:
who said that it was Joe who wanted to put DC in first?
I honestly didn’t pay attention to any of this until well after that Alamo Bowl game, so I’m not going to be a very good storyteller.
I know about your diabolical plan.
Honestly, it just filtered out in the scuttlebutt following that game.
The dreaded “inside sources”. But it was tangible and real enough.
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on May 6, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
The story changed before the next spring practice, I believe.
And it prompted massive ridicule among the FOS premium crowd.
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on May 6, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe you,
I’m very clear about the fact that I have no idea who said what. My knowledge on all of this is from one article that quoted Joe on the story and about 100 different comments on this site, spread out over 2 years.
I know about your diabolical plan.
Although it's worth pointing out
that was the beak of the “Fire Jay” movement. It wasn’t until well into 2008 that you could find a single complement about JayPa anywhere that wasn’t written in 2005.
I know about your diabolical plan.
I don't know
I always thought it apt that the Fire Jaypa movement had an actual beak.
"So while while I may be douchy, I’m not rusty."
by jtothep on May 6, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's honestly like it has been scrubbed from the internet somehow.
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on May 6, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah it's strange
But everything else we’ve heard about Jay makes it sound like he would ride Morelli into a pit of molten lava before admitting defeat.
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
+1
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by ReadingRambler on May 6, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd like to compare it to the 1998 offseason.
Do I officially get old when I start comparing teams to ones from two decades ago?
In 1998, junior QB Kevin Thompson had a limited experience with only a 9 pass, 103 yard sophomore season under his belt. The team did have a dominant returning defense and a talented O-line. They also had three tough road games at Ohio State, Michigan, and Wisconsin—comparable to this season’s games at O$U, Alabama, and Iowa.
Unlike ‘98, this team hasn’t lost a proven running back and this WR corps is arguably far more talented than that team. They did have Pat Pidgeon and the immortal Cuncho Brown tho’.
The ’98 offense relied heavily on running backs Cordell Mitchell, freshman Eric McCoo, and goalline stalwart Mike Cerimele with some success. Kevin Thompson put together a middling season of 1700 yards, 6 TDs, and 8 Ints and the team compiled a 9-3 record with the losses coming in the three road games mentioned above. Those games were not pretty.
I would not be happy with a season of 10 good wins and 3 blowout losses, but if you aren’t afraid of the underclassman label attached to our QB’s, if you believe they can outperform Thompson’s numbers, and if you believe this team is more talented than that team, maybe you could see more signs of success than Rittenberg is indicating.
Those are some awesome names
which all bring back various memories. Cordell Mitchell’s first run from scrimmage for a touchdown against Syracuse in particular. Well, after Thompson’s pass to Chafie Fields against Miami.
And don’t say two decades… say 12 years… that makes it a little more bearable.
CHOO CHOO McCOO!
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by carolinaeasy on May 6, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Did anyone ever see him playing in Berlin?
He was the MVP of NFLEurope, if I’m not mistaken… seriously, we have awesome guys
Syracuse
We didn’t play Syracuse at all in the late 90’s, so I’m not sure what game/team you are thinking of.
If you're talking Joe's 300th win, then yes, I believe so.
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by ReadingRambler on May 6, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
remember when LJJR had 2 70+ TDs against MSU in 2002?
even if the refs felt like calling a holding across the field, 20 yards behind the play to negate one of them, they were still things of beauty
by The JuggerNitt on May 6, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
My take...
Rittenberg just pages through this site, Bob Flounders’/David Jones’ blogs and probably Audibles’ posts in order to get run of the mill info for his mandatory “I have to say something about PSU today” blogs. Heck, he even links them on the side of his site…giving credit where its due probably.
And by that I mean, he’s reading comments from this site and the others I mentioned, which are essentially a recycling bin of beaten-to-death topics.
He does some original reporting.
He gets interviews in Chicago at the Big Ten, and did some stuff with JayPa a while ago.
The problem with original reporting is that it takes a lot of time, sometimes even travel, and the output is usually pretty small. His bosses recognize this, and so you’re getting a lot of aggregating like you mentioned as well as a lot of rehash like Mike points out.
I’m still waiting for all of this to eventually reach some kind of equilibrium. We are getting more and more aggregators and less and less original reporters. There’s a tipping point eventually, where the original stuff starts to gain in value while the aggregating value declines. The opposite has been happening for like 10 years now.
I know about your diabolical plan.
by KevinHD on May 6, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I couldn't imagine
Having to be in his shoes and write 5 blog posts a day for 4 more months until the season. Miserable.
Agreed.
We have no pressure here, which is why we don’t have to do that. And also why we don’t get paid. So them’s the ropes I guess.
I know about your diabolical plan.
No pressure?
Make with the typing, blog boy!
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by leeharvey418 on May 6, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
to me it would be preferrable
if he just split the articles up into like 4 or 5 chunks, and released them at different parts of the day. At least then you don’t have then “oh god, am I going to read the same exact thing for the 5th time?”
And as bad as that is, if you read all his B10 coverage, there are the same pieces of information about ALL 11 teams repeated 4 or 5 times. That’s about 50 items one reads, with maybe 15 of them original…for that day. Let’s not forget that on any given week, the same piece of information is probably rehashed on a daily basis. How many times have we seen the PSU QB angle so far? It’s been like 2 weeks now, and it’s come up multiple times a day, every day, and the story isn’t even close to dead yet.
by The JuggerNitt on May 6, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
We live in a world dominated by 24 hour news...
heck the reason this blog was started was to give fans the kind of info and updates they wanted faster than ESPN could get it.
That’s where the B10 blogs come in…ESPN wants to capitalize on this internet traffic so they can keep the $$$$ rolling in. Unfortunately, the strategy is quantity not quality.
I much rather the less frequent posts on this site in the offseason because the mods are great about filtering redundant stuff. I wish Ritt would adopt the same principles, but I’m guessing its not in line with ESPN’s model.
by Artiefufkin10 on May 6, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
to be honest
what keeps this site alive is that the big 3 (and medium 5) put out enough “big” information on a daily basis, but it still wouldn’t be enough without wading through hundreds of comments a day as well, as well as the dozen or so new fanposts/shots. If SBN didn’t have the community aspect as well, I don’t know if I would have been quite as sucked in.
by The JuggerNitt on May 6, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
He hasn't developed the "Patriot News" filter
That is, when you read something about Penn State football in the Patriot, you’ll invariably get the ’THEY’LL BE LUCKY TO BEAT YOUNGSTOWN STATE, THEIR OFFENSIVE LINE IS AWFUL, THEY HAVE A HAM SANDWICH AT QUARTERBACK, AND JAY PATERNO MAY ACTUALLY BE SATAN. NOW DID I MENTION JOE IS OLD? BECAUSE JOE IS DEFINITELY OLD. REALLY REALLY OLD. IS THIS 500 WORDS YET?"
Do you want the mustache on, or off?
Too bad.
I know it's good to be nice to the guy, he's a real person afterall
But the guy’s just pumping out sub-standard drivel most of the time. I’m not saying he isn’t a nice guy or isn’t hard-working enough, but he’s too quick to form an under-informed opinion and then extremely hesitant to change it. Which wouldn’t be a big deal if he didn’t repeat these opinions ad nauseum.
Remember this is the guy that went with the preseason Jones > Odrick thing, and then when the coaches voted for Odrick he continued this stream of never-ending blurbs that by some stretch of the imagination Jones was in fact the better player; the coaches were wrong and Adam was sticking to his guns. He just couldn’t let himself say “maybe the coaches know more then I do, maybe the gaudy tackle stats were more a product of a terrible MSU defense then a dominant LB. Maybe I didn’t really watch the games that closely.”
Do you want the mustache on, or off?
Too bad.
Eh
Don’t beat the guy up. He’s told that he has to do x number of posts a day, so he has to do this mindless stuff everyday, even though he is no idiot and knows it’s the offseason with no stories.
The Jones/Odrick thing. he probably was wrong, and realizes he was wrong. But he made his opinion known, and he had to stick with it. Sometimes for media guys they have to stick with it or they will be labeled as flip-floppers (i.e. Cowherd and his “predictions” in the NCAA tournament). It’s their job to have a stance on something.
North Carolina is the most balanced team, that's why I picked them to win the NC
Crap.
Kentucky is the most talented team, that’s why I picked them to win the… Crap.
Syracuse is the… Crap.
Duke is the only 1 seed left, that’s why I picked them to win the NC. WOO!
Do you want the mustache on, or off?
Too bad.
I have certainly had a love/hate relationship with Rittenberg's work
I love the effort he puts into every post, but at the same time he really does not know all that much about football. He regurgitates the stuff that he is told, and in my opinion, does very little analysis of the situations at hand. As Millzner just posted a few minutes ago the Odrick-Jones debate was a fine example, my take on all of that is here.
Rittenberg has had a contentious relationship with PSU fans recently and it is because of the work Mike pointed out that this happens.
Come on Adam! We have higher expectations for you, and WANT YOU TO DO GOOD! Your blog is a great daily resource, but you lose credibility when you post stuff like this. I turn to your blog for insight on the happenings of the other 10 Big Ten teams, but now I guess I will have to be careful what I believe in your posts.
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
I guess that's kinda the problem I have with Rittenberg
I too enjoy it and appreciate it, and his effort, but most of it comes across as the kind of analysis I could/would do if I was paid to cover the 11 Big Ten teams, and got the immediate connections that came with an ESPN press badge.
by The JuggerNitt on May 6, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
What evidence would make anyone rank PSU in the top 3 preseason conference power ranking?
Rittenberg thinks we’ll struggle at QB. As it happens, so do I.
Then
He should know better than stating opinions about the potential struggles our offense may encounter. How dare he not only heep praise upon everything and everything Penn State (sarcasm detector blowing up in my posts).
And, I happened to inherit being a tortured pessimistic sports fan from my father.
We went back to the Nebraska game in ’02 or wehnever it was, and we were up by 25+ in the second half and my old man would NOT relax.
I wouldn't put us #1
But I have a hard time figuring out why Wisconsin is ahead of us.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
Wisconsin has Ohio State at home
plus their non-con is a joke and they have a returning QB.
Plus, Wisconsin is the five-time unmet preseason expectations champion since 1993.
I just don't see it
They miss us on the schedule this year so we won’t get to judge them head-to-head. But ever since Bielema took over they have been on a steady decline. Their recruiting rankings are nothing to speak of so you have to question their depth. They return a lot of guys, but they don’t seem very athletic. Their offense is basically taking the fastest 230 lb. guy on the team and turn him into a battering ram.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
I've seen that QB. I'm not impressed.
Dude went 0 TD and 5 INT against Iowa and Ohio State. I know our guy didn’t do any better, but…
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on May 6, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree.
I’m just saying that a cursory review of every team schedule plus some ideas as to the negatives from each team would probably put PSU and Wisconsin tied at third in the conference, but Wisconsin would be third overall because they have Austin Peay instead of Alabama. PSU slides into 4th.
Unless you’re on TRE in which case Michigan is 4th.
Don't bash TRE.
They put out quality work, but more importantly, just think of the gloating we’ll get to do when they lose to Illinois or Purdue again.
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by ReadingRambler on May 6, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I like TRE, but the Michigan love has me scratching my head.
At least I can understand how Wisconsin could be the #3 Big Ten squad in 2010 even if I personally think otherwise. Perhaps I’m missing something, but I have no idea how you can think Michigan will rebound into the top 4 this year. None. If it happens, I will be humbled by the folks who can say, “I told you so,” but I won’t worry about it right now.
Last year, around October, I said there was no way in hell Michigan would beat us.
I’ll do the same now.
I, ReadingRambler, guarantee that Michigan will not beat Penn State in 2010. I also predict losses to Notre Dame, Purdue, Ohio State, Iowa, and either MSU or Wiscy.
Thank you.
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by ReadingRambler on May 6, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
We could put up 30 points vs. Michigan with you at QB.
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on May 6, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Seriously.
Their offense may be decent, but that defense is going to be atrocious. And as I have said many times, I don’t believe you can win in the Big Ten with a horrible defense and a 180 pound quarterback with weak shoulders. Even the 2000 NW Wildcats needed some sort of defense.
"I want your money, but I don't want your two cents." - JVP
by ReadingRambler on May 6, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Sweet! BSD infiltrates the 2010 PSU roster!
Ruts at Punter, Rambler at QB.
"So while while I may be douchy, I’m not rusty."
Wisconsin without Barry =
just another team with a douche-y coach.
by Artiefufkin10 on May 6, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Which makes me think
why is Bielima getting the benefit of the doubt? He’s underachieved. The top two at this point are clear, but after that, it’s wide open. Might as well put Penn St. there.
Whatevs though – it’s a g.d. preseason ranking.
by Illegal Formation on May 6, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Under Barry, I remember Wiscy being more like Iowa...
really sound coaching and solid fundamentals if not amazing talent. Their defenses were pretty good too…which is why we lost every “grind it out” game with them when our offense was teh sucke.
by Artiefufkin10 on May 6, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep
playing them always used to make me nervous when it was Barry. Now I can’t wait to get them back on the schedule.
by Illegal Formation on May 6, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Bret is pleased to be mentioned in this thread...
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by Artiefufkin10 on May 6, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Wisconsin is probably good enough to go 9-3.
Add in the fact that we have to play three top 15 teams on the road and the fact that everyone in the media thinks Michigan will beat us because they’re Michigan and they’ll be back and I can see where it comes from.
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by ReadingRambler on May 6, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I am with you as well
I don’t think we are a top 3. I think we can develop into a top 3, but that will take some work.
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on May 6, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
It's May
If BSD had to write four posts a day specifically on college football, it would sound like a broken record too.
He did the same thing last year with the "PSU's schedule is weak" argument
I’m not a huge fan of his work. I get it – it’s not an easy job to cover all eleven B10 teams. I get it – he tries to come off as a nice guy. But I’ve been saying for a year and a half now that the majority of his articles are crap, with recycled comments like this. Plus, he’s a HUGE Ohio State homer, and it’s my belief that he’s got something against Penn State.
I thought everyone that worked at ESPN
had to be a Northwestern grad?
I know about your diabolical plan.
Syracuse is also acceptable.
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on May 6, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
And Missouri
Your standard bunch of journalism schools.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
And your point is...
Sure, he could an alum of NU, but it doesn’t take away from his unending love of OSU.
by NoLimitLion1 on May 6, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Not sure he graduated from jNW
- but IIRC, he covered them locally as a sports writer?
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on May 6, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't see a Penn St. bias either way.
by Illegal Formation on May 6, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I see where he makes up his mind and is slow to change it
If it happens to be against your opinion the be prepared for a deluge of snarky comments, and endless drivel on the subject.
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on May 6, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
re: against PSU
He was pretty high on us in 2008. Very high, actually.
I know about your diabolical plan.
he's a fair-weather PSU fan...
he was great in 2008 because we could do no wrong. After the Rose Bowl fiasco, he was pretty tough on us.
by Artiefufkin10 on May 6, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Fine
but I think that’s different than bias.
by Illegal Formation on May 6, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, he should have been.
Rittenberg doesn’t have a PSU bias either way, not that I’ve seen. There’s a tendency to think that everything negative written about PSU is somehow biased. A lot of the time, it’s just observations that we don’t happen to like or agree with — especially when it’s stamped with the imprimatur of the Four Letter. But that’s opinion journalism/blogging for you.
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on May 6, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Interesting points
I tend to analyze things at a much deeper level, so I can understand why many on this board don’t see his bias. However, take a look at the statements that he makes and the words that he chooses to use. It’s certainly not EVERY article, but aggregate over time, you’ll start to notice subtle differences the way that he approaches and writes articles about us vs. the way that he writes about OSU.
by NoLimitLion1 on May 6, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
I don’t think he has a bias against anyone. He gives props when they are due, but he does accentuate the negative a bit much.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
Mike
Is everything kosher on that other topic? I haven’t heard anything since I faxed that stuff
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
okay
I did that in a hurry before I skipped town and wanted to know it went through okay. Thanks again Mike
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on May 6, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
For those of you wondering I am opening a new BSD based supplement that will make us all feel better

That is our new logo, we will also carry several flavors of blue Kool-Aide
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on May 6, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Sending these to Rittenberg today!
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on May 6, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Did you fax your letter of intent to PSU?
Will you announce it here? Also, why must letters of intent be faxed? Doesn’t the NCAA realize this is dated technology? Can you e-mail your letter of intent with a PDF attachment?
Even that is too slow
I think a tweet should suffice. Let’s move firmly into the 21st Century.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
Sample tweets
GOT MY ESCLADE FRoM KIFFIN!!! GOING TO USC BABY!!!
Going to OSU! Everyone does, right TP!!!
Those crazy guys at BSD, I can’t wait to get to Penn State! Playing with Zug and not smiling with SOA are my new favorite activities
No
But then who cares. Nobody honors commitments anymore. Contracts mean nothing.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
Hey Mike, RUTS, Kevin, etc
Are you guys doing one of those “Keeping the Enemy Close” posts at TRE?
"I want your money, but I don't want your two cents." - JVP
Can I get a link to their post that has Michigan ranked 4th for the fall? Can’t find it.
I know about your diabolical plan.
Huh
I wish they would give some explanation as to why. Because if there’s an explanation I haven’t heard it.
But good for them, the fallout will be more fun if their expectations are high.
I know about your diabolical plan.
eh
At first I liked TRE, but soon I realized they were just Michigan and Ohio State fans bashing the rest of the conference, and Penn State in particular. They were completely giddy and patting themselves on the back for a week after we lost to Iowa last year.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
They have a few nutball Iowa fans too
Remember the guy that kept harping Penn State would be 8-4 and 5th in the conference last year because of a analogy about horses loosely based on that tired tWSJ article on O-line starts? I think he had Michigan ahead of us too.
Ohio State was given a pass on their O-line starts despite being only slightly better then PSU, but Penn State was doomed. Turns out we all had the same record. I don’t hear a whole lot about that stat this offseason… Wierd.
Do you want the mustache on, or off?
Too bad.
The problem with CFB(in particular Big11) fans these days
Is that they were teenagers when we were in the absolute worst stretch in our history. SO that is when they began formulating opinions. So instead of seeing us as a titan of a program returning to its proper place in the landscape, they see us as garbage that somehow is starting to play well.
Now granted, that is only partly true and a little overstated, but in these people’s minds, its back there.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
I never thought of that, but I think you are definitely onto something.
I hate to say it, but to most of these youngins we probably aren’t that different than Notre Dame. A “traditional power” that has been mostly irrelevant for a large part of their conscious life and who only has a “successful” season every few years.
by VVeRPennState on May 6, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting theory, I like it.
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on May 6, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I haven't read TRE enough to form an opinion.
Not a slight against them, I basically write/read BSD, BHGP, occasionally visit EDSBS, and I’m blogged out. I rarely even read other PSU blogs these days (again, nothing against any of those guys, it’s a free time issue). It was much different when I “worked” from home a few years back and could read everything under the sun.
I do have a bias against anyone or anything that puts “Esq.” in the title.
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on May 6, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
For example...
A Facebook friend puts Esq. in her name. So everything is “[Girl’s name] Esq. is having a drink!” and it inevitably makes me cringe. Really, sweetheart. Nobody’s impressed.
(Going to law school is an accomplishment, but not that much of one. Trust me.)
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on May 6, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm with you
When I was in school, I learned that Esq. is a courtesy to your opponent. You don’t title yourself. So when addressing letters to the other side, you put Esq. after the name, but you don’t put Esq. after your own name or even in pleadings. You are signing the pleading and including your bar number. I think everyone gets it that you are a lawyer.
by Nittany Lawyer on May 7, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
It would be great to write about
Kent State as our rival. Really get the hate simmering so we have something to look forward to after the bloodbath the week before.
Do you want the mustache on, or off?
Too bad.
Crap.
Well, since you asked, I was really hoping for one of Mike’s patented beatdowns of Michigan State. But Sparty was already roasted two weeks ago (I think), so that’s out of the question. It’s just not fair that BHGP gets to do Minnesota AND jNW.
"I want your money, but I don't want your two cents." - JVP
by ReadingRambler on May 6, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
You can't do Ohio State because we're irrelevant and they don't care about us.
"I want your money, but I don't want your two cents." - JVP
by ReadingRambler on May 6, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
can we just do a whole "us against the world" thing
and do “The Big Ten Conference” as our “Keeping the Enemies Close” post? We are the outsiders, right? So left out that they won’t even let us have our own rival.
by The JuggerNitt on May 7, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I like this!
though I am in no position to write it as I am one of the few that looks forward to the Minnesota game.
Cairo can you muster the hate?
or millzners
this post seems right up his alley
by The JuggerNitt on May 7, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I cant say I agree with all of your post
There is some shuffling on the offensive line going on, but Wisniewski, Eliades, Pannell and Troutman all have a ton of experience, and there are three or four other quality guys fighting for the last spot. There is a ton of depth on the offensive line for the coaches to work with there.
LT is going to be a huge problem this season in my opinion. Obviously Eliades and Wiz will be legit. I expect Troutman and Pannell to be average. Of the “quality guys” (does that mean good recruits?) no one has stepped up yet.
Lines take time
I believe it should be fine. Good enough to beat Alabama? Doubt it, but then again who knows what will happen. Lineman are funny, sometimes they come out of nowhere and play great, it just takes some time to click, or find your body, or whatever else you want to say.
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on May 6, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
But do you think the constant shuffling
prolongs the length of time it will take for somebody to click?
by Illegal Formation on May 6, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't mean as a unit
I was meaning as individuals. Sometimes it just clicks for you as a lineman and it all seems to get easy.
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on May 6, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess my question is
Is “finding your body” interchangeable among line positions? Or, if a guy changes positions, is the learning curve so steep that it really delays his development? A bunch of guys are in different positions than they were last season – too many for my liking.
by Illegal Formation on May 6, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Guard and center are pretty much the same
If you can play center the steps are very similar to guard. It is harder to go from guard to center because of the ball handling. What is tougher is going from interior line to tackle, and left tackle in particular. I am not worried about the shuffling at this stage. It happens more than you would imagine at big programs. If they are doing this stuff the week before Alabama then we are in trouble.
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
I agree with you easy on the physical part being very similar
Guys have to understand the whole mental part of the offense though. if you are struggling to just know the assignments for one position, it is very hard to switch and learn a new position. Hesitation at the LOS gets you Clayborned in the Big Ten.
A really good o-linemen knows what angle the fullback takes on every run play, knows how many steps on a QB’s drop every pass play, etc. In other words, could diagram every play for every position without hesitation.
yeah you are 100% correct
And that moment of hesitation is the biggest problem linemanfootball players have when they are young. I wanted to post something similar but hesitated. But when all of this clicks, and I am sure you can vouche for this as a player, when it clicks you know it. It is a confidence thing, and mental thing, and a physical thing.
i don’t think moving wiz is a problem, usually your center knows what everyone’s assignment is anyway. I think maybe they are shuffling to find who fits where.
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
I think with academic all america status, young Wisnieski is just fine on assignments
Total confidence thing.
Easy, ever been in your stance at the LOS and the lineman next to you asked for a reminder of the snap count?
yeah, that shit really happens
Yeah, and it happens to good lineman too
True story, we are playing the defending national champs (d1aa) and somewhere in the third quarter I couldn’t remember the play and the snap count simultaneously. I kept asking my guard next to me, and he kept getting really pissed. Finally he went to the oline coach and said what was happening, turns out I had a concussion with out realizing it.
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
Someone over at FOS...
…took a closer look at all of Barham’s snaps in the BW game and graded him out favorably except for the few plays that Latimore clearly won. I still question the move, but if he’s the best we have, he’s the best we have.
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on May 6, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Barham
I saw that post, and it made me wonder if I was fair to him. In his defense, you could play a perfect game at left tackle, but mess up one time and give up a sack in a key situation and all everyone remembers is how bad you suck.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
Yup, the bad comes out the most with lineman.
I thought the FOS post was pretty fair, and Lattimore could have a coming out party this year. Spring is just too darn early to tell.
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
Agreed
-Lattimore, (Latham, JHill and BWare)‘s experience building from last yr is has not only cemented depth @ throughout our D front – but really, really won’t be allowing opposing OL’s any ‘breaks.’ These young guys are tough and quick.
I’m not losing faith in Quinn just because Lats had powered-past him. Lattimore has a ton more experience – and is shaping-up to be a house-hold name…
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on May 6, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
With all due respect to Bama and Iowa
if this Dline wants to be the best, they’ve got one measuring stick.
"So while while I may be douchy, I’m not rusty."
I would like to add something to the "we suck, look at the spring game" debate
First let me wipe the blue mustache from my upper lip…
It sure seemed like PSU coaches did everything they could to make the offense look bad in the game, maybe it didn’t take much but still, no shotgun formations, very basic routes and the D jumped almost every pass route like they knew the plays. I would never put it past Joe to be using the crappy performance, he helped create, to motivate the guys to bust their butts during the summer. We stink, look at our spring game, QB’s suck. Then PSU opens against Alabama in a 3 wide with a tight end/H-back and the spread/read option comes to life. PSU obviously is not going to be able to chuck the ball like they did with Clark but that doesn’t mean there aren’t options to turn to. Oh well, I’m thirsty again, where’s the blueberry stout.
I've wondered the same thing
Joe is notorious for using the media to get a point across. Besides, the offense isn’t going to get better if he lets them run the plays they’re really good at. Make them run the plays they’re not good at until they get better. Let them struggle so they read the articles and see the point of working harder.
I’ve got a good feeling about Alabama. Not saying we’re going to win, but I don’t think it’ll be the 20 point blowout people are projecting. And if we did win, it wouldn’t be the first time Joe took an underdog team into Tuscaloosa and came out with a victory.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
Paul Jones > John Shaffer?
"I want your money, but I don't want your two cents." - JVP
by ReadingRambler on May 6, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
One thing is for certain
Joe loves to play the senile old man bit, and he loves to pretend we suck when we don’t.
Remember those pressers before the Citrus Bowl? He kept on about how he was just happy to bring his grand kids down to Florida, enjoy the warm weather, and oh yeah I guess we do have that game coming up but I’m old and I forget things easily. I doubt Les bought it but a lot of the southern media did, they really took the bait.
I tend to agree with BMAN13, our strengths were concealed in that game and Joe has never been interested in impressing anyone in the spring game. We’ve got a golden opportunity to shock the hell out of ‘Bama if we go down there guns blazing b/c everyone is expecting Joe to run his 70’s offense.
Do you want the mustache on, or off?
Too bad.
Nothing was more telling than that article (I forget if it was the SI article or not)
That quoted him as saying, “Gentlemen, we need to start Twittering”. Meanwhile, every press conference he was giving, Joe was stumbling over the name of Twitter and pretending he didn’t know what it was.
I really hope he stays on as long as he wants. The guy is as crafty as they come, and his wit is as sharp as a knife. Not to mention his memory. When he was in the booth with Millen during the BW broadcast, without hesitation, he goes into sarcasm mode and tells Herbie and Musburger about what a pain in the ass Millen was to coach (but then the classic Joe, “But he was a fantastic player, and is a great guy” line). He seems to love playing the, “I’m old, take it easy on me” shtick, then getting the last laugh. And I absolutely love that.
when you said....
Then PSU opens against Alabama in a 3 wide with a tight end/H-back and the spread/read option comes to life
I got really excited and I think I felt it move….
Love that offense, hope Newsome/Jones can bring it to life again.
by Artiefufkin10 on May 6, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Spread Option
Does anyone in the SEC run the zone read? Maybe Florida, but bringing down Newsome will be a lot different than bringing down Tim Tebow.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on May 6, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
actually...
catching Newsome will be a lot different than catching Tebow.
I loved seeing how quick that guy is behind the LOS.
by Artiefufkin10 on May 6, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope, just Florida.
SEC fans argue this is because of all the speed on defenses down there, but I think it helps that SEC coaches often tend to stay in the SEC sorta like the NFL.
"I want your money, but I don't want your two cents." - JVP
by ReadingRambler on May 6, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
There is this perception down here that SEC schools don't need the spread run.
They can line up in a traditional set, and gash you straight ahead. If you are a speedy defense that likes to slant and stunt that is true. Keep in mind what has made Florida’s offense so effective down here is the multiple threats on every single play, the pass, and run is an option on each play.
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
I think Auburn may run it every now and then.
"I want your money, but I don't want your two cents." - JVP
by ReadingRambler on May 6, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Nittany Lions
In my not-so-humble opinion, the focus of Penn State’s quarterback questions should begin with the quarterback coach! Jay Paterno’s qualification for the job seems to be his relationship with the head coach, not his ability to coach quarterbacks.

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