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Nitt Picks Believes In Limited Recycling

Fall practice won't start for eleven or twelve more weeks.  Recruiting news is practically non-existent.  Every angle on Big Ten expansion and the Beaver Stadium STEP program has been mercilessly beaten into the ground.  No, this is not the optimal time to be a college football fan or blogger.  However, there are a few issues floating about (and yes, some old issues as well):

 

Go Lion:  First, "gradulations" are due to three recently-graduated Nittany Lion footballers: LB Josh Hull, P Jeremy Boone, and LS Andrew PitzAll three were named to the National Football Foundation's Hampshire Honor Society for the 2009 season. 

 

Retro Recruiting Information:  We recently welcomed Canadian offensive lineman Alex Mateas to the Nittany Lions as the last member of the 2010 recruiting class, only three months after National Signing Day (didn't specify which nation, right?).  The Ottawa Citizen has a Mateas write-up:

 

For most of his athletic life, Mateas benefited, in many ways, from the people and clubs around him, whether playing soccer (12 years with Capital United), judo (six years with Takahashi Dojo), basketball (six years with Guardsmen) or weightlifting (YM-YWCA, Ironwill Gym).

So when he stepped onto the football field, he did so as a young, fit athlete as opposed to a big, awkward teenager meant to fill a hole on the offensive line.

"Rob Smart and I were sitting in the stands and he said, 'You have good feet. Give football a try,'" Mateas said. "That's an aspect you can't teach. When you see that, it's easier to mould a football player. You can't teach co-ordination or body awareness. I was lucky to be better than most because I have been in sports."

...

Mateas worked closely with [Ottawa] Sooners co-head coach Bino Cesario and Ron Dias of All Canada Gridiron to secure the football scholarship. He sent his personal résumé and a football highlights DVD to many schools, including favourites such as the University of Oregon, University of Nebraska, Virginia Tech and Penn State. After a while, he followed up to see if there was any interest.

"I tried to e-mail them and didn't get a response. I tried calling. The only one I could reach was Penn State. I talked to the offensive guards coach and once he saw my film, he gave it to Jay Paterno."




Sky Still Blue, Sun Still Hot:  Joe Paterno is still the university's highest-paid employee.  Who else is getting paid?

According to Penn State's filing, which for pay purposes covered calendar year 2008, Mr. Paterno earned the most in total compensation -- a sum of $1,109,977 in pay and benefits, that included a base salary of $540,942. He also topped the list when Penn State released its first right-to-know request last year.

The next four highest compensated by the university include:

--- Harold Paz, Hershey Medical Center chief executive officer, whose $938,420 in total compensation includes a base salary of $643,002.

--- Robert Harbaugh, chair of the department of neurosurgery, whose $825,196 in total compensation includes $685,834 in base salary.

--- [Graham] Spanier, whose $799,386 in total compensation includes $605,004 in base salary.

--- Alan Brechbill, Hershey Medical Center executive director, whose $719,130 in total compensation includes a base salary of $582,035.

And yes, Pitt basketball coach Jamie Dixon is paid more than Joe Paterno.

 

No.  No, They're Not Ready: Bob Flounders of the Harrisburg Patriot-News ponders the 2010 quarterback situation and sees dead people.

The Nittany Lions won 22 games in 2008 and 2009 and, despite a more challenging schedule, another 10 or 11-win season is anticipated.

It's not going to happen.

PSU doesn't have a quarterback ready to replace Daryll Clark, the starter the last two years. Clark was a good, not great, college quarterback. He could make some plays with his arm or his legs. He also knew that in most games his offensive line could consistently give him time to find the open man.

The Lions' two biggest problem areas coming out of spring are quarterback and offensive line. Those problems all but guarantee losses at defensive-minded Alabama, Iowa and Ohio State and could lead to trouble at Minnesota and possibly at home against Northwestern and Michigan State.

 

I don't know a semi-reasonable person who is anticipating 10 or 11 wins this season.  Maybe 9-3 with a bowl win against Opponent To Be Named Later -- and don't you hate people who offer pre-season predictions that include the bowl game?  This is likely to be the subject of a longer post some other time, but here's my advice for all Penn State fans:  sit back, enjoy what you can, don't complain.  It's going to be a long, hard slog this autumn if you're expecting huge things from the Lions.  No game is unwinnable, and save for the puff pastries and MACrifices, no game is unloseable.  Sit back, enjoy what you can, don't complain.  Hope for massive improvement at QB and OL, and reload your brain for a potential monster 2011 run with an experienced team and a vastly easier schedule.

However, Flounders addresses a rather concerning issue in the first half of that column:  Joe Paterno has been missing from various "An Evening With Joe" functions across the state.  These meet and greets have been a staple of the offseason for a while, but JoePa's been absent, citing intestinal troubles.  The recent Hershey cancellation last Thursday night came after Paterno cancelled on an early May date in Pittsburgh.  Nobody needs to be reminded, but Joe Paterno is 83 years old, and anytime someone that age is out of action for multiple weeks, there's obvious room for worry.

Depending on your source for this sort of information, it's easy to be freaked or nonchalant.  Freaked, see above.  Octogenerian with understandable difficulty coping with ailments.  Nonchalant, well, there's a segment of the fanbase who lump these cancellations in with many other knocks against Paterno.  In other words, he just doesn't do things he perceives as a hassle, such as hitting the road for recruiting purposes.  Not completely implausible.

Another of these "Evening With Joe" events is scheduled for June 16 in Philly.  Keep an eye on it.

The Review Is Under Review:  LBU dives into the Phil Steele preview, complete with translations and speculation.

Okay, Okay, I'll Play Your Stupid Game:  A Seat Transfer and Equity Plan (STEP) debate in the York Daily Record, specifically cited because (1) it's a very fair article and (2) they found three very reasonable fans with different seating situations and are dealing with the new plan in their own ways.  With respect to our other Dead Horse Topic, an interview with Ohio State A.D. Gene Smith.

Future Siren Watch: Also from the YDR, an Angelo Mangiro profile.

In Scores Of Other Games:  Totally badass soundtrack to accompany totally badass Curt Warner touchdown runs.  Upon implied request from the comments to the recent Illinois post, the 2005 PSU v. Illinois highlights, or as it's known in some parts, the Tim Brasic Death Reel. Tried to embed this one, but SBN's hamsters are apparently on strike or something.

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Pie
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Cupcake
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Brownie
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Man that poll was hard

because I really want some cake or a brownie right about now, but I ALWAYS save room for a little bit of Ohio State sucks.

by The JuggerNitt on Jun 1, 2010 3:16 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

The OSU sucks option is a good one,

but, honestly people, it does not trump the deliciousness of pie or a brownie. (I’m not a cake guy.) Don’t give the Buckeyes the satisfaction of believing that their suckitude is a greater force than pie.

by Illegal Formation on Jun 1, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I went with cupcake.

@scrappled

"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee

by Run Up The Score on Jun 1, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think

it was a good thing that Bacon wasn’t included….otherwise I tried the OSU Sucks and it sucked.

by DerryPharmer on Jun 1, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

ATTENTION ALL CUPCAKE LOVERS...

*Ndulge Cupcakes (new store, near Qdoba and Cafe 210) is open in State College and has the best cupcakes I have ever tasted. It is a “gourmet bakery” with about 20 plus different varieties are they are all amazing. They are only available on certain days (the vanilla, chocolate, and peanut butter themed cupcakes are available every day) 2 times a week which makes you want to come back to try a new flavor.

Go to ndulgecupcakes.com and start planning your trips to Happy Valley around this magical place.

Computers rank me number 1, blame the BCS...it's their fault.-Joe Budden

by OMEGAMAN on Jun 1, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

so my day will start at Qdoba

I’ll get the ancho chile pulled pork BBQ burrito with guac, head over to Ndulge and get a cupcake, and finish off with some Long Islands at Cafe 210.

I don’t see an early death planned for me at all.

by The JuggerNitt on Jun 1, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

ROADTRIP!

I’ll swing by MSU to pick you up – sound good?

"I did my walk of shame this morning and everyone was so much nicer," she said. "People were inviting me to parties at 9 a.m."

by IcersGuy on Jun 2, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

in nepa bakery delight rocks

I'm sorry, Bruce. These boys get that syrup in 'em, they get all antsy in their pantsy. Captain O'Hagan

by psu in the w-b on Jun 1, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Magnolia Bakery in NYC

"There are only three certainties in college football: all players will eventually leave, the ACC will be bad, and Joe Paterno ", Clay Travis, CNNsi Fanhouse

by letsgopsu on Jun 1, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cupcakes?

Seriously? Have you people ever had a slice of pie?

by Illegal Formation on Jun 1, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can make an exception

For the strawberry pies sold at the West Shore Farmer’s Market in Lemoyne. Holy Jesus.

@scrappled

"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee

by Run Up The Score on Jun 2, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Trophy Cupcakes in Seattle

Are the best. I though *ndulge was ok.

by speedomike on Jun 2, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone wonder

If Joe is avoiding these things so he doesn’t have to deal with all the STEP questions? I wouldn’t blame him if he feared a large amount of senior citizens on fixed incomes saying they are losing their seats of 30 years.

Speaking of seats. Just got off the phone with a lady from the NLC today. Maybe this will help clear up some questions with people.

My credit card was billed on 5/28 for the price of 2 seats & parking. She said that seats had not been assigned due to re-shuffling (read: STEP) and could take some time. She then said that it would be figured out in late June/early July.

I asked, “Well my card was charged and billed. Does this mean I have seats or are you planning on doing charge backs?” She looked at my account and said all signs pointed to having seats.

FWIW, I have 57 points. I hope this helps anyone this year trying to figure out what’s going on. God bless and just remember folks, it’s only a 4 day work week!

by buk110 on Jun 1, 2010 3:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Looking through LBUs Phil Steele write-up

I noticed that Steele raked Gbaydu the #32 outside linebacker. Pretty interesting considering some of us around here only have him penciled in at starter and expect him to be passed by one of the young guns sometime this year. I guess we can attribute that to our depth?

by jrock4 on Jun 1, 2010 3:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Hershey no-show?

I have a family member on staff there, and they called late last Thursday for me to guess who they saw at the Lodge that evening? Did Paternno make the trip only to bag the meet and greet – or just the STEP Q&A?

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Jun 1, 2010 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

He didn't show at the actual event.

Whether he was physically in Hershey that day or not, I don’t know.

@scrappled

"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee

by Run Up The Score on Jun 1, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe he got sick on the Rotor?

Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.

by jesse. on Jun 1, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Been there.

I think that was the only ride I’ve ever been sick from, actually.

@scrappled

"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee

by Run Up The Score on Jun 1, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Though that Fahrenheit coaster scares the crap out of me...

@scrappled

"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee

by Run Up The Score on Jun 1, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's been quite a while since I've been there

The “new” wooden coaster was still new then. Now it’s just the wooden coaster that’s newer than the Comet.

Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.

by jesse. on Jun 1, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

u should go the park has changed so much. was just there with the fam this weekend, Good times.

I'm sorry, Bruce. These boys get that syrup in 'em, they get all antsy in their pantsy. Captain O'Hagan

by psu in the w-b on Jun 1, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do still like chocolate.

Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.

by jesse. on Jun 2, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I used to love rides like that

but there were always complications, and once you are stuck to the walls, there’s not much else you can do.

Speaking of terrible rides: the Zipper, usually found at carnivals and fairs. They need to have an upper height limit. Last summer (or was it 2 ago?) my girlfriend begged me to go on it, cuz she loved it. Not one to ever fear a ride, I happily obliged.

I should have known things were going to go wrong when the guy couldn’t close the door because my knees were sticking too far up and out, and wouldn’t allow the safety bar to fit over our laps. That didn’t deter the guy for giving it the good old college try, and after his third attempt (despite my protests) he had that door jammed closed, with my knees bent sideways, and up we shot so they could load the next passengers.

I turn to my girlfriend, fear settling in my eyes, as I realized I had no leverage anymore to keep my torso upright, except for two handles to grab onto. The thing then starts moving and spinning, and I think it was after the third or fourth whiplashed head impact with the front and back of the chamber that the tears and the laughter simultaneously took hold, as I I realized I was at the mercy of this contraption (or had I entered hell?).

After what seemed like an eternity the spinning finally stopped, and I was able to collapse out of the pod as they eventually released the latch on the door. I’m nearly positive I sustained a concussion, as I was in a daze the rest of the evening, and was told I even got sick about a half hour later.

So yes, I will brave the rotor, and will try anything once, but I will never set foot on the Zipper again in this lifetime.

by The JuggerNitt on Jun 1, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Flashback, but the Rotor has been gone for years.

I think they got tired of closing it down for the mop and bucket crew to do clean ups. I was always amazed that people got on that ride and never stopped to think about what would happen if they were pinned to the wall of a centrifuge when somebody else got sick.

by CvilleLion on Jun 1, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

"the Rotor has been gone for years."

I lived at Hershey Park for years of my life and I never got on that god-forsaken contraption.

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Jun 1, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was very young.

Like, day trip from junior high young.

@scrappled

"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee

by Run Up The Score on Jun 1, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

"I think that was the only ride I’ve ever been sick from, actually."

did you toss on the ride? Did it fly out and hit people? I’ve only heard the stories.

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Jun 1, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Afterward, sadly.

I would’ve been interested in the puke science, too.

@scrappled

"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee

by Run Up The Score on Jun 2, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I read the YDR link

and it’s requisite sad tale and I’m startring to see some common threads here: 1) There are always extraneous factors cited in the decision not to renew tickets and 2) No reporter ever has the guts to ask and print “Why don’t you just move seat locations in order to keep your costs the same?”

by PSU Mudder on Jun 1, 2010 3:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Well

When your options are 1 pay the same for less, or 2 pay more for the same, people will often invent a third option. 3 F@#k off.

Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.

by jesse. on Jun 1, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I understand option 3

I just wish the news stories would be more upfront about it.

by PSU Mudder on Jun 1, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean some of those people were going to see the cost of their seats triple.

Triple. I doubt that the Penn State football experience is going to be 300% better in 2011.

Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.

by jesse. on Jun 1, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where do we draw the line on this thing, though?

Do those people get to make the minimum donation forever and keep those seats? Where’s the cut-off?

@scrappled

"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee

by Run Up The Score on Jun 1, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I am pretty sure what the problem was....

and it’s the fact that the Nittany Lion Club does a terrible job of knowing who is dead. We sat in the seats of two people who had been dead for five years, and had themselves gotten the seats off a dead guy. You had to make the donation in the dead persons name, so of course you made the minimum donation.

You’re argument cuts the other way though, I mean, what have they done but raised the “minimum” donation for certain seats. When do we get to start complaining that the new people in those seats are only making the “minimum” donation?

Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.

by jesse. on Jun 1, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, that was a big problem.

And a really easy problem to fix if anyone cared to look into it. Not hard to find out if someone’s still alive.

I don’t really think the argument cuts the other way at all. The current issue (well, one of many) is that Row 93 in NGU requires the same minimum donation of Row A in EE, right? The whole stadium is essentially the same.

@scrappled

"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee

by Run Up The Score on Jun 1, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

"We fixed the glitch"..

“So, you fired him.”
“No, we fixed the glitch.
“We find it best to avoid confrontation whenever possible.”

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Jun 1, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I'm gonna need you to move down to storage B.

"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"

by psuphiman80 on Jun 1, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was told I could play my radio at a reasonable volume

"There are only three certainties in college football: all players will eventually leave, the ACC will be bad, and Joe Paterno ", Clay Travis, CNNsi Fanhouse

by letsgopsu on Jun 1, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

They tiered the donation levels

such that the minimum donation for seats between the twenties has increased a great deal, but there is still a minimum donaiton. Which I have to assume people will be making.

Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.

by jesse. on Jun 1, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know...

if you donate more you get your name in that nifty program – AND parking for basketball games.

Difficult choices, week in Jamaica or Men’s Basketball Game Parking.

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Jun 1, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't mind if everyone in the stadium makes the minimum donation for their tier

so long as the people donating more than others get seats in as good, or better, sections.

I wouldn’t mind some form of loyalty seating, where perhaps there was some form of discount for X # of years donating, up to a limit, but as RUTS points out, under the previous system the guy in the last row had to pay as much (or potentially more) for his seats than the guy in the first row on the 50 yard line (who probably never donated more than the minimum, because the guy from the class of ’13 that he got his seats from has been dead since before the current person was even born.

by The JuggerNitt on Jun 1, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

so long as the people donating more than others get seats in as good, or better, sections.

This. The “problem” isn’t people just donating the minimum. The problem is that the minimum for excellent seats (lower level between the 40’s) was the exact same amount as the minimum for crappy seats (north endzone upper deck). PSU has (IMHO finally) fixed that problem by making the costs of seats tiered so that better seats require more money to purchase than lousy ones. I don’t really see how anyone could argue that doing so is unfair.

Sure, it sucks to have to pay a whole lot more to keep the exact same seats when the product you are paying for is unchanged. But that’s what happens when you’ve been getting a massively sweet deal for decades, as many of those who are sitting in those precious 50 yard line seats have been doing.

by Laaaaazzz on Jun 1, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Maybe we can be Newsome?

@scrappled

"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee

by Run Up The Score on Jun 1, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, they'll struggle.

And next March, there will be thousands of people wondering why they have to pay so much to see an 8-4 team. Then they’ll look at the schedule, see home dates with Alabama, Ohio State, Wisconsin, and Iowa, and proceed to cut the checks.

@scrappled

"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee

by Run Up The Score on Jun 1, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whatever the scenario

they will NOT have a problem getting rid of seats.

by DerryPharmer on Jun 1, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good, let people dump their seats after this year.

That opens the door for people like me that don’t have 57 points yet to get in the door, as I won’t mind at all getting the cheap seats and watching an epic home schedule.

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by Jeff Junstrom on Jun 1, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not uncommon for the price of something to triple when you’ve only being paying 1/3 of the market value for that item for years. That’s ultimately the issue – the premium seats have been underpriced and PSU is finally getting to adjust them. It’s totally understand that people in those seats paying those bargain prices would be upset about the change – even to the degree of giving up the seats – but the reality is that all good things must come to an end at some point. They should be thankful that PSU didn’t implement such a plan years or decades ago when other schools did.

by Laaaaazzz on Jun 1, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's why I liked it.

The first guy (Knoch) has seats in EGU — essentially the 25-ish yard line — and decided that he’d rather spend his money elsewhere instead of getting shuffled off to the end zones/upper deck. I’m fine with that, and I’m sure the 2009 schedule of abject patsies sped up his decision. That’s honest and understandable, and without the entitled outrage that is so often featured in these STEP stories.

The second guy (Markey) is in the “stand pat” group. Four tickets in NGU at $100/each, which is what he pays now. He’ll bolt if that increases too much, he acknowledges the current system rewards certain people who make the minimum donation, etc.

The third guy is going to be relocated due to the student section move into SJ, and because of his relocation priority will probably just get moved into the lower north end zone. But all three of these gentlemen discussed it rationally and reasonably, without any of the histrionics seen in 99% of other articles on the subject.

Of course, they didn’t interview someone in EE who is suddenly going to be priced out of their section.

@scrappled

"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee

by Run Up The Score on Jun 1, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

My 4 tix are in EG originally.....

two years ago I had 2 of them moved to SU Hc….actually great seats….my big ? is where do they send me if (and I certainly hope so) I recover.

by DerryPharmer on Jun 1, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

They also didn't interview...

the group that has been donating $600/ticket in hopes of upgrading their seats every year and getting a Dear John letter in its place. I might up my donation next year just so I can say I STEPed from NEU to Old Man Euler’s seats.

Thanks STEP!

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Jun 1, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a VERY valid point

Why donate more than the bare minimum when you knew Ole Man Euler was going to keep his seats (even if dead).

by buk110 on Jun 1, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wish someone would interview a person

who is making a nice sized donation and is stuck in the end zone currently, but intends to move between the 40s this year.

Seem to be missing that demographic. Call your boy Jones, RUTS. Let the truth be heard!

by Tailgate Shogun on Jun 1, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isn't every comment you've made since the STEP announcement enough?

@scrappled

"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee

by Run Up The Score on Jun 1, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope.

Won’t rest until I’m sprawled out in all twelve of Old Man Euler’s seats on the 50!!!

by Tailgate Shogun on Jun 1, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Article

Yes, it was a very fair and rational article. A good look at the situation and a nice cross section of folks who would be affected.

I agree though that it would have been nice to interview someone who is currently in the endzone and plans to be donating more (or maybe already is donating more in order to get parking, etc.) to move up to the higher tier of seats. Just to show that some people are actually benefited by the program.

by Laaaaazzz on Jun 1, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

DerryPharmer - you're my most favorite person in the world

"I did my walk of shame this morning and everyone was so much nicer," she said. "People were inviting me to parties at 9 a.m."

by IcersGuy on Jun 1, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate Ole Man Euler

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Jun 1, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

The ironic thing is

that I think OldManEuler has been dead for 12 years.

by DerryPharmer on Jun 1, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah but his legend lives on

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Jun 1, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hellyeah!

He “inherited” the tix from Hugo Bezdek.

by DerryPharmer on Jun 1, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where the hell do you think I sit?

Why do you think I’m so pissed?

Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.

by jesse. on Jun 2, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just like every other STEP program debate

there are the 3 (or perhaps 4 or more) groups of people.

1) “I’m getting a huge discount on the value of these tickets (to the point that I can sell a single game for more than I pay for the entire season), and I’m mad that they’re taking this away from me, and am unwilling to compromise and go to where my tickets are fairly valued”

2) “This changes nothing for me”

3) “This gives me the opportunity to actually buy tickets now, and not be shut out just because I wasn’t alive and able to donate to the program when most of these ticket holders first acquired their seats, even though I’m currently as big or bigger of a fan”

4) would possibly be people who are legitimately priced out…but it seems that as long as you’re willing to sit in the cheap seats, the amount isn’t really going up at all…for now.

by The JuggerNitt on Jun 1, 2010 8:24 PM EDT reply actions  

There’s sort of a #3a group of folks who already have tickets but will now be able to move up to higher seats that are being vacated.

And #4 doesn’t really exist (or at least any more than they did before STEP) since, as you note, the minimum prices for getting season tickets — for a majority of the stadium mind you — is unchanged. In fact, it’s been little reported, but if you buy an odd number of seats, your minimum donation can actually go down now — a person buying only 1 season ticket can get away with a $100 donation under STEP (would have been $200 before) and a person buying 3 season tickets can do $300 (would have been $400). This doesn’t affect a lot of people, but it might help some.

by Laaaaazzz on Jun 1, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

WE ARE all screwed.....

I knew I should have paid attention in my Stats class.

by DerryPharmer on Jun 1, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

stats without calculators!!

How hard is stats on an abacus?
on a side note, I’m still pretty good with a slide rule.

by BMAN13 on Jun 2, 2010 6:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did you put formulas(ae)

under the slide so you could gain an advantage like me?

by DerryPharmer on Jun 2, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dad taught me that.

Most of my EE classes, the formulas (ae) were available and books and notes were open. My first calculator I owned was one I built in high school using an 8080A chip. Then bought a TI-19 my senior year and it was good for college. you could program formulas into the calculator and the prof’s didn’t care. I only used a slide to show off, that I was a quick as a calculator. Not so much when you learned to program the formulas, though.

by BMAN13 on Jun 2, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Old Man Euler

wrote a letter to the editor of the current issue of the Penn Stater magazine expressing his displeasure and intent to cancel.

Let me play Euler’s advocate for a minute and offer up a perhaps imperfect analogy. Suppose your decent-looking wife that you were loyal to for many years was happy with dates to Outback steakhouse, then she gets a boob job and facelift and decides that now she needs to go to Morton’s because she’s now prettier, and if you don’t want to pay she’ll find someone who will. Would you be happy?

The new article raises a couple of interesting points, namely this:

“I understand that football (and men’s basketball) helps fund the other 27 varsity sports, but they’re running a business there. If I was managing my business in a similar way, I’d say it’s time to drop some of the other (money-losing) sports. But that’s just me.”

It would be fascinating to see someday how exactly the costs have exploded. I personally am weary of large institutions everywhere bellyaching about money.

Another thing I wonder about is oversaturation, e.g. if tix are now more expensive, will they be harder for the season ticket holder to unload when the team is mediocre and there’s too much pastry on an 8-game home schedule?

by Joe 96alum on Jun 1, 2010 11:17 PM EDT reply actions  

+1.

Well played, sir. Well played.

by Tailgate Shogun on Jun 2, 2010 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well I never always

paid full attention to stats, but Always to tits.

by DerryPharmer on Jun 2, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can see that line in the next dos equis comercial

Stay thirsty my friends

I'm sorry, Bruce. These boys get that syrup in 'em, they get all antsy in their pantsy. Captain O'Hagan

by psu in the w-b on Jun 2, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

It may or may not be

appropriate here, but I feel the interest, at least on my behalf, was that I was breast-feed.

by DerryPharmer on Jun 3, 2010 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

He can be a football fan or a Penn State fan.

And hey, I get it. I don’t care about swimming and diving, or field hockey. I have no interest in how our golf team finishes. But Penn State supports all of those programs with football money — that’s the friggin’ deal, whether OME likes it or not. He doesn’t get to say, “you know, women’s basketball is a financial sinkhole, get rid of it.” Penn State sells tickets to Penn State fans, not football fans. This isn’t a la carte athletics.

@scrappled

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by Run Up The Score on Jun 2, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

not only that

but if he doesn’t want to pay, then don’t pay. It isn’t like there’s a waiting list for tickets or anything…

by The JuggerNitt on Jun 2, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

people who had their tix for 40 years

I’ve had it with these entitled people. Sorry, just because you were born in the 40s and I was born in the 70s does not entitle you to have everything cool for eternity. It’s insane! Let someone else enjoy something.

You guys got all the best movies and cars, the hottest 60s and 70s chicks, all the good acid, you wrote all the good songs and left nothing for us, saw all the best rock bands, and totally destroyed the planet after you said you’d fix it. And you got most of the really good PSU teams, the ones that were Respected.

Frankly, get the hell out and don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out. People from the classes of 90s and 00s are just as important, just as big a fans, and their money spends just as good, as we’re willing to shell out more of it. For 40 years while we begged and scrapped to get two seats together once a year, you paid a paltry fee to have great seats 6-8 times a year, CRY ME A RIVER.

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Jun 2, 2010 6:45 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Wow. That was pretty epic.

And aside from the obvious anger towards these people, I’d have to agree with your sentiment.

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by Jeff Junstrom on Jun 2, 2010 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've had them for 25+ years

and I agree also…..it’s time to even the playing field…I don’t want to leave, but it’s time to pay the piper OR get out for the younger FANS too.

by DerryPharmer on Jun 2, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

All logical points...

yours and those above; but I’m sure there are many PSU football fans that are now older and perhaps retired that finally – for one reason or another have a better avenue of either a.) time or b.) $$$… or even c.) a better ‘open’ door to purchase seats for a whole home season – instead of perhaps just getting a few home game tickets each year…

" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009

by BlueWhiteLife on Jun 3, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

No doubt

I bet there are WAY more in this category than you’d first think…

" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009

by BlueWhiteLife on Jun 4, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

right, and I have no problem with them if they are willing to pay

I just find it absurd when people are complaining that they can’t buy something for $500 when other people are willing to pay $2500 for it.

by The JuggerNitt on Jun 4, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not really angry because I live about 1000 miles from Centre County currently

I’m just jealous because I never got to see Led Zeppelin.

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Jun 2, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was more bummed about the acid.

And the hippies. I would have loved to punch one of those in the face with a barbed-wire-wrapped-baseball-bat.

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by Jeff Junstrom on Jun 2, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm confused

Did I read you right or would you use your time machine trip to go back to the sixties in the Haight, drop some of that good timothy leary acid, and beat the crap out of hippies with a “barbed-wire-wrapped-baseball-bat”?

That’s wild man.

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Jun 2, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look

They might have got all the good Acid, but the didn’t get any of the Ecstacy. That and they had to go to Vietnam. I’ll call it a push.

Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.

by jesse. on Jun 2, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some of them had to go to Vietnam, the rest were all either high, reasonably normal aside from ridiculous clothing (like my grandfather and parents), or making movies that would be mocked by Mystery Science Theater 3000 twenty-thirty years later.

"I want your money, but I don't want your two cents." - JVP

by ReadingRambler on Jun 2, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

good point

and the shrubs of the 2000s. Oh my lord, much more expensive, MUCH more potent. That and video games, we have them there!

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Jun 2, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trouble at Minnesota?

I don’t think so. We are going 9-3. Mark it dude.

by speedomike on Jun 2, 2010 10:43 AM EDT reply actions  

I wondered this too

Minnie loses nine starters on defense and their only good wide receiver. I can see some other possible struggles but Minnie is pretty far down the worry list.

by BMAN13 on Jun 2, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Minnesota will be beyond awful this year. I’m talking 20 point loss to Illinois awful.

"I want your money, but I don't want your two cents." - JVP

by ReadingRambler on Jun 2, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

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