BSD Podcast Episode 3: Where's The Hate?!

Why such loving arms for Nebraska? Where's the hate from Northwestern they gave Penn State in 1990? How is conference expansion now in the hands of Texas A&M? What does RUTS's dog sound like when it's bowl runs dry?
All of this and more in BSD Podcast Episode 3. Listen here.
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On the First hand....
the voters all felt sorry for Tommy Boy and gave him #1 ranking because he was going to retire….well guess what? He didn’t and he got a few more #1s anyways…HATE HATE HATE The Big Red Corn.
This year VT played NU
After a few hours of tailgating, I decided to scalp a ticket. The guy accepted $55 (every other ticket was going for $110) as long as I agreed to not sit in the actual seat or sell it to an NU fan. I assured him this would not be the case because NU stole the 1994 National Championship from PSU and being a PSU fan, I would never grant any NU fan satisfaction ever again. After the miraculous ending (look it up, one of the better endings from college football last year), I could not help but get extra joy that VT had beat NU in such a crushing manner. Now I can’t wait to see PSU do that every year.
Pirates, Vikings, Hokies. I'm used to heartbreak. At least I have the Penguins....
"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-The Great One
by blackjackfishtaco on Jun 14, 2010 8:38 AM EDT reply actions
gotta love "agreements" for getting seats
I was at an MSU game a few years ago, and was talking with someone (who was gonna give away their tickets) about giving me their tickets (50 yard line, front 10 rows) and I’d give them mine (upper deck somewhere), which they could then give away. Then someone walks buy looking for tickets, and the guy just gave him his tickets, saying something about wanting an MSU fan to be sitting there.
What does this new guy do? Without walking even 5 feet he holds up the tickets “for sale” and winds up selling them to 2 PSU fans looking for tix.
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 14, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
At a college football game? Never…
Pirates, Vikings, Hokies. I'm used to heartbreak. At least I have the Penguins....
"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-The Great One
by blackjackfishtaco on Jun 15, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I still hate Nebraska...
They stole my NC in 94 because poor Dr Tom had never won anything…
I’m just glad its them rather than Missouri… I like a good team to hate – much better playing them than another Indiana
Still searching for posters from 1986
Bring me the head of...
If I can’t have Alfredo Garcia, then I want Tom Osborne’s.
by Jonathan Werner on Jun 14, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions
This seems like wishful thinking:
Mountain West Officially Reaches Out To Kansas And Missouri, Possibly To Replace Utah
I know about your diabolical plan.
And there is this:
A&M’s board of regents likely will meet late this week — perhaps as soon as Thursday — to decide the Aggies’ sporting future, a person with knowledge of the situation said. And that future appears to be the SEC, as the powerful league to the east is prepared to lure A&M away from the clinging-to-hope Big 12, a proposed Pacific-10 affiliation and its storied league rivalry with Texas.
Here.
I know about your diabolical plan.
I didn't realize this
But I heard on Rivals Radio this morning that apparently A&M had a pretty big rivalry with Arkansas back in the days of the Southwest Conference. So if they join the SEC, not only will all their players shed 0.2 off their forty yard dash time, they will also have an instant rival.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
ba-dum-psh!
Got more suits than Jacoby and Meyers.
by Run Up The Score on Jun 14, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
A&M gets to...
Prove they aren’t Texas’ little sister.
Join a conference that’s making twice as much loot.
Keep local rights the same way UF, UGA and Bama do, which is a major cash cow for them.
Stay with a league that culturally similar rather than one that is the exact opposite.
Play an old rival.
Not have to travel to Washington state.
Pretty obvious choice if there really is an invite.
I know about your diabolical plan.
I wish it weren't true
I want A&M in the B10 (I’d be content to add A&M and Notre Dame and call it done), but it makes sense for both TAMU and the SEC
No alarms and no surprises please.
I actually hope it IS true
A&M to the SEC makes the Pac-10 even less attractive for Texas. The league will be even MORE watered down, plus they lose their rivalry there (or they have to play it non-con, which they could do in the Big Ten). Oklahoma also is a potential SEC lean, so it isn’t like they’d be left out in the cold if the Big XII South to the Pac-10 deal doesn’t work out.
I see this leading to Texas saying to the Texas legislature, "hey, A&M split for greener pastures, why are you saddling us with the “tech” problem?" and bolting for the Big Ten $$$.
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 14, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm
It’s possible and would lead to money, but I’m leaving more toward “eff Texas” all the time. They take over and destroy every affiliation they’ve ever had.
The only advantage the Big Ten has is that Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State won’t put up with it.
To know I can trust this fix of injustice time after time
PENN STATE ? NEBRASKA CONNECTIONS AND HISTORY
Solid look from a nebraska blog:
http://huskersgameday.com/news/penn-state-%E2%80%90-nebraska-connections-and-history/
I know about your diabolical plan.
Thanks for the nice listen for my workout this morning...
nothing makes me push myself harder in a workout than listening to HATE HATE HATE!
When in doubt, punt!
- John Heisman
Ah, nice Old 97's choice in there, Kevin.
Got more suits than Jacoby and Meyers.
by Run Up The Score on Jun 14, 2010 9:58 AM EDT reply actions
Thanks. Last band is Slimpickins, from New Orleans, if you’re into that sorta thing. Saw them in Seattle, very cool live.
I know about your diabolical plan.
I'm digging the musical interludes in all the podcasts.
It’s like NPR or something.
No matter how many teams are in it, I will continue to dislike the Big Ten.
by Illegal Formation on Jun 14, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
That pictures makes me want to punch a dog.
And Miami still reeks.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 14, 2010 10:00 AM EDT reply actions
That game was so depressing
Miami laid an egg that night. They fell down early and gave up in the second quarter. They couldn’t even make it close to give PSU a chance at a split title.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
Chip Brown (yeah, yeah) now claiming that Texas is committing to a ten-member Big 12.
http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1094038
Got more suits than Jacoby and Meyers.
by Run Up The Score on Jun 14, 2010 10:12 AM EDT reply actions
Just in time to blame someone else for the death of the Big XII. Does anyone think A&M should stick around for this? I don’t. Plus how long before Texas isn’t committed to a 10 team Big XII? Three years, maybe?
I know about your diabolical plan.
Mama tried, Mama tried....
We did everything we could to hold this thing together, but those damned Aggies just wouldn’t listen!
Got more suits than Jacoby and Meyers.
by Run Up The Score on Jun 14, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Woo +1 for Haggard
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 14, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Dear old SMU, rest his soul, left Texas a heavy load?
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 14, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Fresh from Chip Brown
The first thing I remember knowing,
Was a lonesome death knell sounding,
And a young un’s dream of growing up to ride;
On a freight train leaving town,
Only knowing where I’m bound,
No-one could change my mind but Texas tried.
One and only rebel child,
From a family, meek and mild:
Ol’ Texas seemed to know what lay in store.
Despite all my Sunday learning,
Towards the bad, I kept on turning.
‘Til Texas couldn’t hold me anymore.
And I was beaten by Floribama every season evermore
No-one could steer me right but Texas tried, Texas tried.
Texas tried to raise me better, but her pleading, I denied.
That leaves only me to blame ’cause Texas tried.
CU an’ Huskers, rest their souls,
Left Texas a heavy load;
She tried so very hard to fill their shoes.
Working hours without rest,
Wanted me to have the best.
She tried to raise me right but I refused.
And I was beaten by Floribama every season evermore
No-one could steer me right but Texas tried, Texas tried.
Texas tried to raise me better, but her pleading, I denied.
That leaves only me to blame ’cause Texas tried.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 14, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Do you have anything for Baylor?
Sing Me Back Home perhaps?
"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway
Baylor is more like:
Let Us Cross Over the River and Rest in the Shade of the Trees.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 14, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, allright
Dan Beebe led Mack Brown down the hallway away from us
And I stood up to say goodbye like all the rest
And I heard him tell Dan Beebe just before he reached my cell
‘Let my big-time lawyer friend do my request.’
(Let him…)
Give us more money and we’ll think about stayin’
Make our bank tellers come alive
We’ll walk away and turn back A and M
Give us more money before we leave
I recall last Sunday mornin’ a band from off the street
Came in to sing a few old money songs
And I heard Mack tell the singers ’There’s a song my mama sang.
Could I hear it once before you move along?’
(Won’t you…)
Give us more money and we’ll think about stayin’
Make our bank tellers come alive
We’ll walk away and turn back A and M
Give us more money before you die
Give us more money before you die
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 15, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
That is one shitty conference
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
by psuphiman80 on Jun 14, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Can we give their BCS bid to the MWC?
Got more suits than Jacoby and Meyers.
by Run Up The Score on Jun 14, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes
Four national championships in the last two decades just walked out the door.
by gumbercules on Jun 14, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
If aTm bails like they should
They won’t even be viable.
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
by psuphiman80 on Jun 14, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
As a plus
The Big Ten just picked up three of them. And now two Big Ten teams own the 1997 championship.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
Big Ten Teams
Have won or shared 6 of the last 28 National Championships, only 1 of which was won by a Big Ten member
No alarms and no surprises please.
This is exactly what I was saying in the podcast
Texas A&M’s flirtation with the SEC is making the people in Austin nervous. They see little brother heading off into the world on his own. If Texas joins the Pac-10 they will be playing Washington, Arizona, UCLA, and Texas Tech while 40 miles up the road in College Station the Aggies will be playing LSU, Alabama, Florida, Auburn, and Georgia.
Which games do you think ESPN would rather broadcast in Dallas and Houston? Big Brother can’t let that happen, so now he has to commit to making the Big XII work with just 10 teams.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
does texas really think...
That it can isolate itself so much geographicly and still thrive? If I’m aTm and I’ve got a chance to go to the SEC, I take it and never look back. What are Texas’ options at that point, pacTBD, bigTBD or SWC2.0? They might wind up stuck in SWC 2.0, and then who is in the better league?
How the hell does aTm wind up a winner in all this?
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
by jesse. on Jun 14, 2010 11:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Or
Texas begs the SEC to take them too as the second part of the package with aTm. Oh what irony.
Screw Texas Tech and the Oklahoma schools.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
This, despite my fears, dramatically ups the chances of Texas in the Big Ten, I think. They get some local right with the SEC that they wouldn’t with the Big Ten, but based on what I’m reading they give up local rights with the Pac-10 as well.
I know about your diabolical plan.
Texas to the Big Ten
I’m just not buying it. The only place I’m reading this is from bloggers who speculate it would be a great move. I just don’t get the impression Texas is really interested in the Big Ten. The fans hate Big Ten football, and I think the Texas athletic administration doesn’t want to join a league where they watch their dollars float out the window to land in Northwestern, Indiana, and Purdue.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
Well it depends on what kind of numbers you believe. I’m under the impression that they would net way more money in the Big Ten than anywhere else, even if part of their contributions are helping to keep NW afloat. That being said, there is the cultural side of things—not to mention what to do with baseball—and I’ll defer to you on that one.
I know about your diabolical plan.
In a way Texas I think is a lot like Notre Dame. They don’t care about the money so much. They make plenty of it. More than anyone else. For Texas it’s all about being on the biggest stage under the brightest lights. They want every other program in the country to look up to them and say, “Man, I wish I was Texas.”
It’s that state of Texas mentality where bigger is always better. Money is no object. It’s about being percieved as the biggest, baddest bully on the block. They want a home in a conference where they are respected nationally. If they have to tip the scales in their favor, say by hording all the money and hosting the championship game in their back yard, they are prepared to do that. As long as Texas is playing for the national championship at the end of the year nothing else matters.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
yup
You won’t find a more conservative state in the union than Texas (Austin aside). Texans love their guns, oil, and money.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
I think the funniest part about all this
is how anti-communism and government interference they are, but then they are so willing to let the Texas government “suggest” Texas bring along their little Texas brothers to whatever league they go to.
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 14, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL BUT SOME ANIMALS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS.
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
But congressmen bogging down the whole process to posture and get their names in the paper?
Texas House Higher Education Committee chairman Dan Branch is confident the governing boards of Texas, Texas Tech and Texas A&M will wait until after a legislative hearing on conference realignment Wednesday to decide whether to stay with the Big 12, the Austin American-Statesman reports.
“I’m feeling confident that these institutions will not take any final action before the Wednesday hearing,” Rep Branch, R-Dallas, told the newspaper late Sunday. “They respect the Legislature and understand that we’re going to have a hearing.”
I know about your diabolical plan.
I do too.
But not if you’re talking about college sports. That’s different in my eyes, because you know, it’s for the children.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 14, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
In terms of money, football, and basketball
The Big 10 is far superior to the Pac-10 or Big 12 in every way. The problems with the B10 are that 1)Texas fans don’t like it, and 2)No more dictatorship.
No alarms and no surprises please.
How to win when everyone else is both a jerk and an idiot:
Be less of a jerk and an idiot.
No alarms and no surprises please.
If it's true,
It’s the new Southwest Conference: Texas and its merry band of punching bags.
I still think Chip is a guy with solid sources, but in the end, nothing but a UT-A PR outlet.
No alarms and no surprises please.
I think you're right
I mean, the guy writes for the Texas Rivals site. You know all his connections are in Austin. Texas Tech and Oklahoma aren’t feeding him all this information.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
I think there have been two phases of Chip Brown
First, the initial rush that included a LOT of really solid information about what was going on. However, the more it’s become about UT over the past few days, the less dependable I believe the information is.
Got more suits than Jacoby and Meyers.
by Run Up The Score on Jun 14, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Phase Three: Baghdad Bob in a cowboy hat.
Got more suits than Jacoby and Meyers.
by Run Up The Score on Jun 14, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Phase Three
Will involve a tweet something along the lines of:
“Texas joins Pac-10, but AD currently mourning the loss of the B12 he tried so hard to save. It’s all tears in Austin”
Except that by “all tears,” he means cocktails, laughter, and burning plush mock ups of a Jayhawk, Willie Wildcat, and a Baylor Bear while urinating on them.
No alarms and no surprises please.
In other words
Just another Monday in Austin
No alarms and no surprises please.
by ckmneon on Jun 14, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree.
Except Phase Two involved an extremely increased OrangeBloods subscription push. I followed him on Twitter when he broke some early stuff, and it was mostly his reporting. Now, its a small snippet combined with “BUY NOW EARLY PRICES AND SAVE!”
@EpicTripod
Black Shoe Diaries
Success With Honor
by Jeff Junstrom on Jun 14, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Who wants to bet Chip Brown jumps to ESPN, Fox Sports, or SI as soon as he possibly can.
by VVeRPennState on Jun 14, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Man
Sounds like he’s learned a lot from Texas.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
by psume06 on Jun 14, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It appears Joe Schad's sources disagree with Chip
They say the move of UT, TT, OSU, and OU is imminent.
by VVeRPennState on Jun 14, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Texas’ interests in being aligned with the research opportunities and academic missions of Pac-10 schools is driving the decision,
Hu. Ha. Ha ha. BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA.
along with money.
Yeah, afterthought.
I know about your diabolical plan.
which doesn't make sense to me
aren’t the research opportunities, academic missions, and $$ of the Big Ten generally better than the Pac-10?
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 14, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
If by generally you mean infinitely
then yes
To know I can trust this fix of injustice time after time
New Big 12
South:
Texas
aTm
Texas Tech
TCU
Craig James University, previously known as “SMU” – natural rival for Tech
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
North:
Kansas
Kansas State
Missouri – Their entire campus will be literally chained to the New Big 12
Iowa State
Drake – natural rival for Iowa State
This gives us a balance of seven southern teams and five northern teams, allowing the southern teams an even greater ability to dominate the conference.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 14, 2010 11:15 AM EDT reply actions
There is also this proposal which was designed by UT.
Also called the New Big 12:
South:
University of Texas at Austin
University of Texas at San Antonio
Univeristy of Texas at El Paso
University of Texas-Pan American
University of Texas at Brownsville and Texas Southmost College
Texas A&M
North:
University of Texas at Arlington
University of Texas at Dallas
University of Texas at Tyler
University of Texas of the Permian Basin
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 14, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Is there anyway we can knock it off with the aTm? Am I asking too much? If we keep it, then I propose we mandate “Big1T1en” until next July, at which time we’ll require “Big T(welv)en”
I know about your diabolical plan.
I like aTm
if only because I don’t accidentally read it as just “Texas” when skimming through. It is also shorter to type than Texas A&M (though I suppose we could just use A&M). I like these nicknames, though (such as jaO$U, etc).
I’m not opposed to Big1T1en, except that B10 is easier to type.
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 14, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Feel free to use TAMU as well
That’s actually how I refer to them in conversation as well – it’s fun to say.
"I did my walk of shame this morning and everyone was so much nicer," she said. "People were inviting me to parties at 9 a.m."
I've been trying since 11 last night
to find the map that was so easy to locate before expansion polluted my google searches. I wanted it for this post’s picture.
I know about your diabolical plan.
http://www.personal.psu.edu/staff/j/e/jed124/1994_AP_Vote_Maps.html
I searched BSD for “map vote” and this was what came up. Amusingly, I was the one that posted the link that I found (though originally posted by gbd106)
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 14, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, and thanks pac-10
and pretty amazing how many votes the Pitt/Cleveland area gets. You have two in all of florida, but seven from detroit to morgantown.
I know about your diabolical plan.
Zug you too, Syracuse.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 14, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone know who was voting in Pittsburgh back then?
No matter how many teams are in it, I will continue to dislike the Big Ten.
by Illegal Formation on Jun 14, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
They list Beano Cook on the link as voting from Pittsburgh
It says because he worked for a national network, he was mapped back to his home town.
You know what sucks more? Guess who joined that list the year later (on the last two maps from the link): Blackledge, whose hometown is Canton, OH.
while it wasn't just Big Ten writers
typically conferences vote for their fellow members. Were the situation reversed, with Penn State covering the entire map, I’d bet that all the Big XII states still would have Nebraska as their #1
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 14, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
The 95 Rose Bowl is my first PSU football memory
and I wouldn’t have understood my own anger at the time, but this really infuriates me a lot to see. Sure we might not have won still, but to see that the B10 newspaper voters voted a strong majority against us makes me hate all of them even more than I already do. It’s absolute bulls#!t. I can’t imagine how angry people who vividly remember that year must have felt. I would have blown a gasket.
You're right -- I just made several Google searches
It’s been buried. Used to pop up in the first page or two.
Yeah, I just spent 20 minutes looking for it.
Nothin’.
Got more suits than Jacoby and Meyers.
by Run Up The Score on Jun 14, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
This helps a little.
http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/1994/11/11-07-94tdc/11-07-94dops-letter-2.asp
Got more suits than Jacoby and Meyers.
by Run Up The Score on Jun 14, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
The writers in Ohio were probably giving us payback for 63 – 14. And the PA writers were inexplicable, except for their Pitt ties. Anyway, they can all bite me.
This is interesting
http://www.appollarchive.com/football/ap/seasons.cfm?SeasonID=1982
I know about your diabolical plan.
Chip Brown (economics) now sez decision will be made today
And the Penn State4 ’94 team was considered one of the best in NCAA history on so many lists that I wonder if many reporters/voters reconsidered their vote since then.
What really ticks me off about..
94 is the split national championships in 90 and/or 91 and 97. Every other year the title was split except that year.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
Ah, beer, my one weakness. My Achille's heel, if you will. - HJS
by Esteban d' Amur on Jun 14, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't count 90
Colorado had a worse record than GT, they needed a phantom clipping call to beat ND, and of course, the infamous fifth down against Missouri.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 14, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Michigan should kiss our ass
After ’94 everyone said we can never let a travesty like this happen again. So there was sympathy to split the vote in ’97 and give them each a trophy. The soccerfication of America had begun.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
damn soccerization of america
I got back from my workout and turned on espn, damn soccer was on!
When in doubt, punt!
- John Heisman
by carolinaeasy on Jun 14, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
That's why you shouldn't turn on ESPN unless PSU is playing.
Come on, this isn’t rocket science.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 14, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I maintain that Nebraska didn't deserve a share in 94 or 97
PSU and Michigan played much, much tougher schedules.
Had the kicked ball against Missouri been called properly, it’s game over, Missouri wins, and Michigan wins the MNC.
No alarms and no surprises please.
I don't care that much about 1997
But I would have almost enjoyed seeing Nebraska kick the crap out of Michigan.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 14, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
They wouldn't have
That Michigan defense was nasty, and that Michigan offense, while by no means awesome, had a lot of weapons and a great o line.
Michigan would’ve had (by a head, shoulders, and better part of a torso) the best defense and most talented offense Nebraska had seen all year.
No alarms and no surprises please.
I don't believe you because I hate Michigan.
You are too blinded by reality.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 14, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
My memory of ‘97: the kicked ball (what was the proper call there? I was too indifferent to care) and a nebraska player saying something to the effect, while holding the mic at the post-game, of "anyone who watched that game (Michigan’s Rose Bowl) and watched this game has to vote for us." I remember being kind of disgusted by the unapologetic nature of the whole thing.
I know about your diabolical plan.
It was Scott Frost, total doucheabag who said that
Either way, Michigan played a far superior bowl opponent anyway (say what you want about Ryan Leaf or Washington State these days, that was a far superior team to the Tennessee team Nebraska played)
No alarms and no surprises please.
And the proper call
would’ve been a dead ball, incomplete pass, play over, game over, Missouri wins.
No alarms and no surprises please.
Not the soccerificaiton of America...
The “everyone gets a trophy” thing is the product of the Baby Boomers. Soccer everywhere else in the world is pretty professional and very cut throat at the youth level.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
Ah, beer, my one weakness. My Achille's heel, if you will. - HJS
by Esteban d' Amur on Jun 14, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
My wife's little cousin
He just “graduated” daycare. Cap and gown, the whole nine yards. My wife showed me on her phone a photo that her aunt sent during the ceremony.
Her: “Look at him! How cute!”
Me: “What…the…f*ck”
Her: “What?!”
Me: facepalm
Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.
When I graduated daycare, all my father said to me was “get a job.”
I know about your diabolical plan.
When I graduated daycare, I missed the ceremony because I was busy healing the blisters I got from the wood in our hay scythe.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 14, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
“When I graduated daycare, I got as my graduation gift a German 88 shell near my foxhole.”
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 14, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
“When I graduated daycare, I helped hunt down Peter Lorre who was terrorizing the countryside.”
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 14, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
When I graduated daycare
Chuck Norris gave me a high-five.
Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.
“When I graduated daycare, I built the Union Pacific railroad.”
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 14, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
They built the Central Pacific.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 14, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
“When I graduated daycare, I assisted the teacher and won the Dick Butkus Award.”
- James Laurinaitis
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 14, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
That's pretty bad.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
Ah, beer, my one weakness. My Achille's heel, if you will. - HJS
by Esteban d' Amur on Jun 14, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
My kid just had a kindergarden graduation with cap and gown and the whole bit. Does this mean I can tell him to go get a job?
By the time he actually graduates from high school it’ll probably be his fourth graduation by that point.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
It's ridiculous
When I have a kid, I’m afraid I’ll almost have to become a verbally abusive dad just to counterbalance all the absurd praise the kid will get.
“Hooray! You successfully navigated a year of absolutely no expectations or requirements, and you only pooped yourself twice! Here’s your diploma.”
Actually, that sounds somewhat similar to certain degrees at college.
Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.
any year I can go without pooping myself more than twice is an achievement
wait…what?
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 14, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Be careful now, you're just setting someone up for a JoePa joke.
by VVeRPennState on Jun 14, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
hey, he succeeded
I only recall him pooping his pants once :-p
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 14, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually look forward to this part:
When I have a kid, I’m afraid I’ll almost have to become a verbally abusive dad just to counterbalance all the absurd praise the kid will get.
Especially if he sucks at football.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Nice
A new word to add to my vocabulary.
SOCCERIFICATION!
What is funny about it is that everyone knows its meaning. I really wish society would get rid of this mentality.
Settle it on the field!
by PSUncle1981 on Jun 14, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Full Disclosure
The soccer team I’m coaching this year wrapped up their season. We had a little party at the end, and yes, I had to give every kid a trophy.
But there is hope. One family couldn’t make it to the party. When I contacted the dad about meeting up so his kid could get his trophy, the dad said, “Just keep it. He didn’t do anything to earn it so he won’t miss it.”
Amen, brother.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Jun 14, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
+1 (but really for that kid's dad)
though I really hope he’s not one of those dads who yells at his kid for being a failure and not working hard enough (what we’ll call the hockey parent for the fun parallels already drawn in this thread, plus hockey parents are nuts)
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 14, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually
I think it has more to do with dad being too busy and attached to his Crackberry and his kid having a raging case of A.D.D.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
Well in that case, the kid already has his prize
It’s called Adderall.
FYI, I just looked up the drug, because I don’t know much about it other than I’ve heard good things from people who have taken it (and I’m a science nerd). It’s literally amphetamine. I never knew that all this time the hyper kids in my elementary school classes got to get tweaked out on speed and come to school.
Funny, I wondered if the dog barking would be recorded.
They bark at any animal on TV, whether it’s real, animated, exotic, etc. They’ll bark at a cartoon giraffe. I have to listen again for my wife screaming “SATCHEL!” in her most annoyed voice to shut him up.
He’d be the waving dog on the right.

Got more suits than Jacoby and Meyers.
by Run Up The Score on Jun 14, 2010 2:13 PM EDT reply actions
even cartoon animals? Wow.
My 2 dogs now are generally disinterested in the TV, even when I’ve tried to get them excited about an animal or ball on TV. About the only thing that gets a reaction is a barking or whining dog, and even then it is mostly just a perked ear (which is surprising mainly cuz my one dog is a pretty good “guard dog” and will alert us to virtually any noise from outside.
I used to have a dog that LOVED TV. Started by chasing the baseball on screen (including running around to the back/side and being confused about where it went). It eventually evolved to where we would go up to my dad’s lake house where my dog absolutely LOVED swimming all day, and instead of running immediately down to the lake, he’d run immediately into the living room and sit patiently in front of the TV until we turned it on for him. He didn’t even care what was on (didn’t even have to be a ball or other animal anymore). He’d watch ANYTHING.
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 14, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Every time I downloaded and played the Nittany Lion roar on the computer
our German Shepard would run around the house barking, growling and looking for the intruder. Wonderful dog, but not too bright.
Speaking of which
My issue with that roar is that jNW uses it too. That’s just wrong.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 14, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
do they go nuts when a doorbell rings on TV? Mine does
"There are only three certainties in college football: all players will eventually leave, the ACC will be bad, and Joe Paterno ", Clay Travis, CNNsi Fanhouse
Oh, shit yes.
They do not take kindly to doorbells on TV.
Got more suits than Jacoby and Meyers.
by Run Up The Score on Jun 14, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I like you mandel
slmandel: So to recap, if Big 12 crumbles, it has been/will be Neb/Mizzou/A&M’s fault. NOT the school at center of Pac-16 plan. (Eye roll)
I know about your diabolical plan.
Nothing could ever be Texas' fault.
Totally impossible, indeed.
It’s been enjoyable to see this pot of boiling soup dropped in Texas’ lap. I hope A&M goes through with the SEC thing.
Got more suits than Jacoby and Meyers.
by Run Up The Score on Jun 14, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously
My opinion of Texas has really taken a dive in the crapper after this whole thing. It’s ok to be all about the money and control, but come out and say it. Don’t tear the conference apart over money and greed and then create scape goats so deflect the blame on.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
And now, says Joe Schad, Beebe's plan to keep B12 intact is "gaining traction".
Got more suits than Jacoby and Meyers.
by Run Up The Score on Jun 14, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
It's never too late to back pedal.
No matter how many teams are in it, I will continue to dislike the Big Ten.
by Illegal Formation on Jun 14, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I forget who wrote the comment about the Big12 people packing up their offices already
but I find the image hilarious of all these people having to move back into their offices again.
Completely agree.
Especially when you contrast it with the relative classy way Nebraska handled themselves.
by VVeRPennState on Jun 14, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
why does anyone outside of Iowa State and Baylor really care who's fault it is?
Assuming the Big XII South to the Pac-10 thing really happens, do you think Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State are all gonna be like “oh noes, you made us all a ton more $$$!!! You jerks!!!”
And really I love how Mizzou/Nebraska apparently are the cause of the downfall of the Big XII, even though Colorado was the first school to actually switch, and even after Texas and the rest of the Big XII South were all primed to go to the Pac-10 (supposedly with offers). But no, it was the speculation of Nebraska and Mizzou going to the Big XII that was the downfall.
And definitely not Texas’ petty insistence of uneven revenue sharing, or completely hogging the Big XII spotlight and politics. Never coulda been that.
Seriously, the Big XII was flawed. I suppose it was the fault of the people in the first lifeboats off the Titanic that cause it to sink, as well.
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 14, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
This is funny.
Headline: Texas A&M regent Stallings wants Big 12 to survive
First graph: AUSTIN, Texas — Texas A&M regent Gene Stallings says he wants the Big 12 to survive — and would vote to keep the Aggies in the league if they don’t get a much better offer from another conference.
That doesn’t count as “wanting the Big 12 to survive.”
I know about your diabolical plan.
LOL!!!
I totally want my marriage to work out (unless that sexy millionaire comes and hits on me)
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 14, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
And now...
From Texas Tech insider Chris Level: “The odds of Texas Tech joining the Pac 10 conference are now much less than 50%.”
Got more suits than Jacoby and Meyers.
by Run Up The Score on Jun 14, 2010 2:37 PM EDT reply actions
So where is the Big10 in all of this?
Are they done expanding with Nebraska coming on board? Still trying to figure out a way to bring in ND? Trying to convince Texas to pull a u-turn and head east?
"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"
I think the list is probably Texas, ND, and then we’ll see based on the first two. If Texas stays, gets their own network, then the B12 is the B10, and then it’s up to ND. If ND joins, then we’ll probably take Rutgers or Syracuse. If not, we’ll stay at 12. Seems like given those options I’d rather sit at 12 unless both Texas and ND want to join.
Do you want the mustache on, or off?
Too bad.
So hypothetically speaking,
If we keep the name Big 10 and the Big 12 does actually stick together with 10 teams, what do they call themselves? I don’t think the Big 12 name has built up enough brand identity to outweigh the constant reminders that 2 teams decided it was worth $10 million to leave the league.
I was just thinking this
after almost 20 years of having 11 teams in the Big Ten (despite the logo with the 11 in between the numbers) and not really caring that it made sense to still indicate there were 10 teams, does Delaney change the name or stick with tradition?
So will Joe Schad (and everyone else)
own up to being wrong and predicting things way too early? No. Will ESPN continue to employ ass clowns? Yes.
No matter how many teams are in it, I will continue to dislike the Big Ten.
by Illegal Formation on Jun 14, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
the math really makes so much sense lol

Watch the Pac-10 makes even more money in the long run.
Where does this $20M just magically come from?
Guess fans really can’t wait to watch Baylor play ISU.
by Tailgate Shogun on Jun 14, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounds to me like the primary problems just got bigger.
The conference will be more Texas-centric than ever and the money disparity will shift further toward UT. The Big 12 stepped back from the edge for now, I guess.
Was going to write a post but I'm exhausted
all this does is further alienate everyone in the league, which was the problem that started this whole mess.
Also: the numbers being thrown around are total bullsh*t. They are going to give Texas an insanely bigger piece of the pie, but then all still double their revenue even though they lost one of their top three programs and top three media markets? Oh, and don’t have a CCG to sell?
Okay.
I know about your diabolical plan.
heard something about filing petiion for championship game with 10 teams
some type of NCAA waiver.
if the ncaa gives in then that is total crap They probably will
"I love it when a plan comes together!" Colonel John "Hannibal" Smith
by psu in the w-b on Jun 14, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1 for “total crap.”
I know about your diabolical plan.
by KevinHD on Jun 14, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
What all of the conference realignment amounted to was the programs who didn’t have to be Texas’ grovelling little underlings leaving, and the programs for which being Texas’ b*tch*s was, well, the best option, staying.
Oklahoma and TAMU probably could’ve been attractive enough to another league, but they’re getting their money anyway.
To know I can trust this fix of injustice time after time
I don't get why major schools like Kansas, Mizzou Kansas State
Dont rebel. They should start searching. Hell its better to get the same money out of the MWC than bend over for UT. Pac 10 needs one more and will get it somewhere from these schools or Utah.
I almost feel bad for Mizzou now
and almost feel like we should give them a pity invite
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 15, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I just want to reiterate one last time
The question of the day tomorrow: how in the world is is the Big XII doubling their revenue despite the fact that they lost their #3 franchise and #3 TV market and more than likely their CCG. The brand is less valuable, their inventory is lighter, and their product is worth twice was it was a week ago?
Other than a long term fixed contract that overpays on the front end and underpays on the back in (just like the SEC’s ESPN deal), this appears to be against the laws of physics.
I know about your diabolical plan.
by KevinHD on Jun 14, 2010 10:38 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The simple answer is
the numbers are utter horseshit, and in a year or two when everyone figures this out, it’ll be the same old story, same old song and dance, my friend.
"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"
by DrewRusse on Jun 15, 2010 3:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Back of the envelope time
Last year the Big 12 television package brought in $139 million (or $78 million, according to the table on the VERY SAME PAGE). The mythical Big 12 contract seems to be $170 million. How did they get there by losing a two teams AND the conference championship game?
Time: The new ACC contract is for $155 million a year, a 130% increase over the current $67 million. Depending on how old the current Big 12 contracts are, they may be getting the bounce they would get with new deals regardless in a few years.
Inventory: Expectations are that the 10-team Big 12 will go to a round-robin schedule, creating a 45-game inventory. The original Big 12 only played eight games, resulting in a 48-game inventory. The regular season could be about as profitable, depending on how Nebraska and Colorado compare to the rest of the Big 12 for TV ratings.
Lion Vision for everybody: These numbers include assumed revenues from the individual networks members will be able to create.
Analysis? I’d bet they’re double counting the value of Texas (and any other team wanting to start their own network) by assuming that they’ll have enough inventory for ESPN, FOX and the individual networks. A Texas-only network could be valuable, but only at the detriment of the general Big 12 package.
the problem with the inventory, though
is that they’re not really getting more games, just more conference games, but will the value of more Texas vs ISU (and other big 12 north survivors) really be more than Texas’ OOC slate which would be diminished.
Also, don’t the OOC home games make a lot of $ for the individual teams. Unless I guess they could give Texas even more of a sweetheart deal than previously.
Then the big question: why would the rest of the Big XII put up with that? I guess the easy answer is that the alternative would be no Big XII and some of them having to go to the mid-majors.
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 15, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
The Big 12 is playing damage control
..and completely making things up. When the real checks end up being far less than what the numbers are now (3 or 4 years from now), nobody will remember anyway.
To know I can trust this fix of injustice time after time
except Texas
who can say, “hey, we tried to make it work, but the share from the Big XII just wasn’t enough. I guess we’ll need to join the Big Ten/Pac-10/wherever, but since we already have our own network, and are contractually obligated to generate content for our partners for the next bazillion years, we’ll just have to keep on using it, while also sharing the proceeds from the conference network. Also, we can’t bring Tech along with us, because they’re poor”
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 17, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions

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