Nebraska Not Penn State's Rival Yet
by For The Glory 1855 on Jun 17, 2010 8:00 AM EDT
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PrintOn Saturday, my family and I took a spin up to Ann Arbor on our way to the Pirates-Tigers game that night in Detroit. I'd never been there before, so I wanted to check out the town and the Big House while I was in the area.
When we pulled up to the gate, below the scoreboard was a tour bus of Tigers fans on their way to the game that had stopped to take pictures at the stadium, too. Clad in our Pirate gear (nothing Penn State), my brother and I waited patiently for our turn.
The first Tiger fan to notice immediately remarked "Look, Pirates fans! Hey, when Penn State grows up, this is what it will look like."
Raise your hand if you'd expect to hear something along those lines from a Michigan fan. Now, ask the same question about Nebraska fans.
Call it a hunch, but I don't suspect that scene would have played much in Lincoln as Ann Arbor. You could say that's because Michigan fans tend to be elitist, but the more likely reason is that they flat don't like Penn State. Sure, they'll deny that the "rivalry" is anywhere close to Ohio State on the hate scale, but find a Michigan fan that doesn't return at least some of Penn State's animosity toward them and they're probably faking it.
In my opinion, you need three things for a rivalry:
- Hate-able figures
- Regional tension
- Significant on-field history
Penn State-Michigan has some degree of all of those things. The "hate-able figures" could begin and end at Rich Rodriguez, although there are plenty more. Regionally, State College and Ann Arbor aren't far away, causing the schools to routinely compete for recruits and the fans to mix out in the real world. Finally, on the field, both teams have regularly played tough, competitive games even during Michigan's streak of dominance over Penn State in the win column. There's a sustained history between the two schools.
Not so much between Penn State and Nebraska. Beyond Tom Osborne, it's doubtful many Penn State fans could even name let alone hate many Nebraska figures. Geographically, Nebraska and Penn State couldn't be further apart within the conference, making it difficult to find each other in heated recruiting battles or interact with each other on a regular basis. Also, save for a few competitive games sprinkled through the eons, there isn't a whole lot of on-field history there, either.
The only real points of contention between the two schools are the 1982 and 1994 national championships. Those are big events, sure, but when you ask Penn State fans to place blame for why the Nitts didn't win in '94, it more often rests at the feet of bitter Big Ten voters and Miami's performance in the 1995 Orange Bowl than any shortcoming of that Nebraska team. The Huskers can't even take all of the heat for the incident.
Nebraska is a great traditional program, and yes, there is some history with Penn State to speak of, more than most of its former Big XII brethren. However, to suggest that it will immediately rise to the level of Penn State-Ohio State, a game that has determined the winner of the last five Big Ten titles, Penn State-Michigan (as described above), or even Penn State-Iowa, a rivalry still in it's formative stages even after Iowa's recent key wins over Penn State, just seems like Penn State fans throwing themselves at the next eligible woman to walk into the room.
Remember, by the time 2011 rolls around, most Penn State freshman will have been between two and three years old in 1994. When they think of robbed national championships they think of the heart breaking defeats in Ann Arbor in 2005 and Iowa City in 2008.
Not 1994.
A rival has to be a school the entire fan base collectively hates, and while probably a majority of Penn State fans at this point remember the pain of that fateful autumn, the defeats to Michigan in 2005 and Iowa in 2008 are more fresh in the minds of more fans, not to mention the regular games the schools have played in the last 20 years.
Down the road, Penn State fans may look back at this period and wonder how they got along without hating Nebraska. The potential of a rivalry with the Huskers is certainly titillating, and offers a chance of possibly having a true Big Ten rival for the first time since the Lions entered the conference, but right now, potential is all it has.
Penn State-Nebraska isn't a rivalry yet.
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Ugh.
Definitely not the pictures I want to see first thing in the morning.
hate is cheap
UM fans are pricks to everyone, find me a fan of a B10 school outside of Ann Arbor that says “yeah, those UM people are swell — classy people” without smirking.
The truth of the matter is UM is a lot like ND, they are universally disliked b/c they are elitists with a massive ego. Those programs spend all their time acting like they’re above everyone else, so naturally everyone is going to hate on them. But IMO that doesn’t make for much of a rivalry, because they’ll never admit they even think about us.
Do you want the mustache on, or off?
Too bad.
by millzners on Jun 17, 2010 8:21 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Also both currently suck at football.
No matter how many teams are in it, I will continue to dislike the Big Ten.
by Illegal Formation on Jun 17, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Great Commentary.....
I think that WE just don’t have the HATE factor yet for Nebraska that we have for tO$U and the Whore….it’ll come in time, but the tingling is still there when WE play them.
I'm not one for charts, but I'd be willing to bet a paycheck that the HATE for Nebraska is indirectly related to a fan's age.
Hate for UM and OSU is universal across PSU age groups, while the older you get, the more HATE you have for NEB. I still remember 94, so my HATE is strong, but like fooge says, the kids in school now have no recollection of 94. Some don’t even know about 2002.
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That was my first reaction, too.
As I was reading the post, I kept thinking that anyone 35 and older has some true HATE for Nebraska buried inside, just waiting to be rediscovered. I also think there’s a big difference between having hate with respect (Nebraska, Iowa) and hate without respect (Ohio State). Personally, I prefer the former.
Let me ask both of you
Why do you hate Nebraska? Honest question because I wasn’t aware then (at age 4).
It seems like everything I read is more on the media’s case, or Miami’s. What separates Nebraska in this case from say, Texas the year Nixon declared them a national champion when we were undefeated? I mean obviously UNL was the team standing there to take the MNC from us, but beyond that, what gets the blood going? Was Tom Osborne a douche? Were there douchy players on that team?
If anything, the whole sequences sounds like more of a reason to hate OSU and UM because their writers screwed us than anything to do with Nebraska, but that’s just just the impression I get…that could be completely wrong for all I know.
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by For The Glory 1855 on Jun 17, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I kind of hate them for 1994 (even though it wasn't really their fault)
and I was only 10 at the time and didnt care about PSU at all. If you look back at the history of PSU football and embrace it, you can definitely build hate off it. I mean, after reading about the 1987 Fiesta Bowl, how can you not harbor a little bit of hate for Miami?
It certainly isn’t the same level of hate that you would find with OSU or Michigan (my #1 hated team in all sports), but it does provide a building block to develop a rivalry from. Plus I respect Nebraska a hell of a lot more than OSU or Mich.
We played Miami in a football game
Plus all that stuff leading up to the game.
All Nebraska did was win all of its football games. I don’t know, maybe I’m ignorant (I’m probably ignorant), but that seems to be all Nebraska did, and I don’t really harbor any hate for that. More like jealousy. I just don’t see where they directly wronged Penn State. They won all their games, and more people voted for them than us. What were they supposed to do? Give it back? Say “we didn’t deserve it?”
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by For The Glory 1855 on Jun 17, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
They didn't do anything wrong
But when does hate have to make sense?
by skarocksoi on Jun 17, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sympathy for Osborne
The 1994 title is seen by many (not just PSU fans) as a result of a syumpathy vote for Tom Osborne who, up to that point, had not won a national title (despite coming close). Nebraska fans that I have talked to about it (and there are many…I live in Lincoln) heatedly deny this and claim Nebraska would have beaten PSU anyway. So no, Nebraska didn’t do anything wrong, but the anger is directed at them because the media felt sorry for their coach.
They are still mad about 1982, so I think we can still be mad about 1994.
Two things
contributed greatly to our being screwed in ’94, and the Osbourne sympathy factor was one of them. Remember that Nebraska was within a missed FG of upsetting Florida State in the Orange Bowl after the ’93 season. Had they made that FG, Osbourne would have had his championship and the sympathy factor might not have been there.
The other factor was the miracle Hail Mary pass that Colorado used to beat Michigan in ‘94. Because Michigan lost that game, it took a little bit of the luster out of our win over them (a one-loss team instead of an undefeated team), and it made Nebraska’s win over Colorado later that season look more impressive, as Colorado was undefeated going into that game.
I also thoght when PSU
put 3rd string in against Indiana in the fourth qtr and they score twice quickly closing our margin of victory had dropped us in the polls. I could be wrong.
Settle it on the field!
Dropped us in one poll.
Fell in the other poll during a bye week, if I remember correctly.
I think you're correct
I just know Nebraska jumped us when they beat 8-0 Colorado who had defeated Michigan on a Hail Mary pass earlier in the year.
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Bowl opponents probably made a difference too
3 loss Oregon vs. 1 loss Miami in Miami.
Also, are you sure you are not confusing the Indiana vs. the Illinois? I think that game PSU was down 21 to them and came back to win in the 4th quarter 35 to 31.
If I remember straight, and I could be wrong, but I think that Illinois was averaging around 10 pts per game on offense, yet scored 31 on PSU. I think that game is where the notion that PSU had an allstar offense, but a suspect defense started to come out. Not saying good or bad, but just saying.
Also, alot of the mid season Neb games was w/o Fraizer, again rightly or wrongly, but that probably played into it.
Everyone's memory is hazy:
Penn State did not drop from #1 to #2 after the Indiana game or the Illinois game.
PSU dropped to #2 after beating Ohio State 63-14.
An OSU team
with Orlando Pace, Joey Galloway, Eddie George, Terry Glenn and Rickey Dudley. Not like that OSU team was the sux.
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by Esteban d' Amur on Jun 17, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
That was the AP poll, Indiana dropped us in the coaches' poll
A dramatic 31-24 win at Michigan on October 15, 1994 lifted Penn State to 6-0 and No. 1 in the AP and Coaches’ polls. Following a 63-14 rout of Ohio State, the Nittany Lions dropped to No. 2 in the AP poll. The following week, Indiana scored 15 points in the final 1:49 to turn a comfortable PSU win into a closer than expected result nationally, Penn State fell to No. 2 in the Coaches’ poll and was denied the No. 1 ranking the remainder of the season.
The week we beat Ohio State (then AP #21), Nebraska (then AP #3) beat Colorado (then AP #2).
Illinois had the No. 1 defense in the country at the time.
and were averaging 26
235-102 they had outscored their opponents. Purdue had scored the most points against them up to that point, 22. They were 6-3. Guess your memory is a bit off.
They had two Butkus Winners, plus Simeon Rice.
On offense, they had Ty Douthard, who was too small for the NFL but was pretty good, a big, strong offensive line and Ken Dilger. Not much, but some. Penn State’s biggest problem was stopping the run that day, although they eventually stood up.
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by ReadingRambler on Jun 17, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes Nebraska did do something for hate
There was a definite feeling that Nebraska was playing towards the voters that season by running up the score in some of those games keeping the starters in late and still attacking, while PSU would pull it’s starters and allow scores of games to look closer than they actually were by calling off the dogs.
May or may not be true, but at the time that was the impression I was being fed by the media (I was 14).
by catesinator on Jun 17, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess
But I remember walking behind someone at the stadium one day with a ‘94 shirt on with all the scores on the back and thinking “Holy crap.” The 2008 team crushed people, and even they didn’t come close to ‘94. I find it hard to believe an objective voter could have said "They didn’t dominate enough" which is why I think it’s fair to say there weren’t a whole lot of objective voters.
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by For The Glory 1855 on Jun 17, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
still the voters fault
all they did was look at scores. If anything I hate Indiana for coming back with two nonsense scores at the end of the game that year to make that game look close allowing nebraska to jump us that week. But its clear evidence that most voters (and they are still guilty today) open the sunday paper and look at the scores and vote based on that, they dont look any deeper into the game than that.
What aggravated me about 1994
was that Nebraska had a a couple of games that were very similar to our Indiana game, but the pollsters didn’t penalize them the way they did us. For example, they beat Wyoming 42-31 and Oklahoma 13-3. And in 1994 Oklahoma wasn’t that good. To quote Kijana Carter (after he watched BYU blow out Oklahoma in a bowl game that year) “Man, Oklahoma sucks!”
Don't complain about PSU dropping in the polls in94
Nebraska started the 94 season number 1 in the polls and two games into the season Nebraska falls to #2 after a 26 point win on the road against TT in Lubbuck! Penn State has nothing to cry about in that regard as it happened first to Nebraska.
Furthermore, if not for key injuries, (Frazier missing 8 games) Nebraska likely scores 45-50 points a game and goes wire to wire number 1.
Nebraska fell again to #3 in the country after an 11 point win on the road over a #17 KSU in Manhattan, a game that saw 3rd string QB Matt Turman play the entire game.
by Andy P skers94 on Jul 3, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
"Matt Turman" and "running it up"
Not two phrases I ever thought I’d associate. Nebraska was down to a walk-on 3rd string QB for part of that season, as Tommie Frazier had blood clots and the late Brook Berringer missed games with a collapsed lung.
Nebraska got leapfrogged in the polls after beating #13 UCLA 49-21, then slid in the polls to #3 after beating #16 Kansas State only 17-6 with a 3rd string QB on the road. They leapt back over Penn State after beating #2 Colorado with their backup, as Tommie Frazier was still out. Then they beat #3 Miami in Miami.
You can find all the box scores and stats for Nebraska’s 1994 season at http://huskerpedia.com/1990s.html
by Albino Tornado on Jun 17, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Nebraska didn't screw Penn State in 94
But the reverse is not true regarding 1982, where there were two awful calls. There’s a reason you got the Iowa State treatment in the Meadowlands in the following Kickoff Classic.
And yes, we’re still pissed about it, which is why you guys got zero sympathy from us in 1994. Before we were close conference chums, the position of many Nebraskan fans was “well, if they hadn’t gone off and hid in the Big Ten where they couldn’t play us in the Orange Bowl as God intended, they’d have gotten a shot. Too bad for them.” We had the same attitude about Michigan in ’97. But, hey, now, Rose Bowl #1 woo hoo awesome!
by Albino Tornado on Jun 17, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha!
I like him/her.
Cranks up teh Hate!
Welcome, AT!
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by Pete the Streak on Jun 18, 2010 6:05 AM EDT up reply actions
That is funny
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by psu in the w-b on Jun 18, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
I whole-heartedly blame the B10 for 1994, not Nebraska and not Miami. We picked a conference full of elitist scum who when the time came to give us our due in the polls instead threw us an anchor because they couldn’t stand to see us succeed. At the time the conference brass was so threatened by Penn State, and so full of themselves, they wouldn’t piss on us if we were on fire.
Had we not had the privileged and honor of playing in such a prestigious and lofty game as the Rose Bowl (gag) we’d have played a real opponent like Nebraska instead of some 3-loss Pac-10 team. We’d have had the chance to decide the national champion without voting, but instead we were locked into a bowl game whose tradition and significance only matters to the same elitist scum that wouldn’t vote for us anyway.
That being said, the B10 conference has evolved, and fortunately for Nebraska the conference admittedly learned from its mistakes from the last time around. Welcome, I hold few programs with as high regard as I do Nebraska — and I think our programs can forge a new rivalry based on mutual respect instead of the creepy self-love like you’ll find with the UM and OSU game.
Do you want the mustache on, or off?
Too bad.
I blame them all. I blame Osborne for playing his star thug runningback when he was down to his second and third string quarterbacks. I blame Miami for jumping and trashtalking before deciding to roll over and die (probably to spite us). I blame the Big Ten for being jerks.
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by ReadingRambler on Jun 18, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Lawrence Phillips didn't go Lawrence Phillips until 1995
Because it was the Sunday after he ran roughshod over Michigan State (22 carries, 206 yards, 4 TD) he discovered Scott Frost (who was sitting out his transfer year from Stanfurd) was making time with his lady. That was when he proceeded to go Spiderman up the trellis of his girlfriend’s apartment and go Ike Turner while Frost hid in the closet.
However, Osborne should have known this would happen and not played Phillips in 1994. Its obviously his fault for having insufficient psychic powers to know that someone who’d not transferred in would precipitate LP’s psychotic break.
by Albino Tornado on Jun 18, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
YOU’RE NOT WANTED HERE.
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by ReadingRambler on Jun 18, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Play nice
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by For The Glory 1855 on Jun 18, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
he is kinda funny
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by psu in the w-b on Jun 18, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Rambler gets edgy when new kids come to class.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jun 18, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
they never wash their hands
and get the keyboard all sticky
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 19, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't open your mouth with misinformation
then dummy! Other than a locker room fight ( how often does that happen in football) Lawrence was a model citizen at Nebraska for two years 93-94 until he came back from East Lansing and heard Frosty was with his lady.
So, no you dumb SOB Tom Osborne didn’t play a thug running back in 94!
That running back and Tommie Frazier would have made that PISS POOR, SOFT AS A PILLOW AGAINST THE RUN, BELOW AVERAGE 70th ranked defense look like a bunch of punks! All damn day!
380 yards a game to big 10 offenses, 500 + yards and 27 points to freaking Rutgers!!
by Andy P skers94 on Jul 4, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
get your facts straight
Lawrence Phillips didn’t cause any problems in 1994, except that is for opposing defenses. After all the injuries to the Nebraska qb’s in 94, LP still runs for nearly 1800 yards even with opposing defenses knowing that he was going to be getting the ball and coming at them.
If Tommie Frazier doesn’t miss 8 games in 94, that Nebraska offense of 94 is likelyy challenging 94 PSU for most productive offense in the country in 1994. Would have been a precursor to the 95 unit that averaged 52 points a game.
No one will ever be able to say for sure just how dominant the 94-95 versions of Nebraska may have been because Frazier/Phillips never played a full year together because of 94) Frazier blood clot issues and missing 8 games and 2) LP’s issues of 95.
Frazier/Phillips may have been one of the most dangerous or dominant qb/rb dou’s to ever play the college game, especially a dou operating in a ground based “power i” with some option mixed in.
Frazier and Phillips were a defensive coordinators worst nightmare when they did run option with these two on the field at same time. Defensive coordinators have to make a choice. how do they want their medicine? And neither option is good. Take Tommie away, make him pitch to Lawrence and Phillips bites off huge chunk runs around the corner. Take Phillips away and make Tommie beat you and he will.
And that comes after Nebraska runs their power game i.e, iso’s, counters, counter treys, traps, straight hand offs, pitch plays, stretch plays, draws sweeps behind what was the Nebraska “Pipeline” offensive line at its zenith.
Get your facts straight.
by Andy P skers94 on Jul 3, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Lawerence Phillips.
I’m a Husker fan and I don’t like to bring it up, but that name usually gets people pointing at UNL as the cause of Penn States’ no-title in 1994. Other names we don’t like that PSU fans may remember are Richie Incognito. We actually did kick him off the team eventually, but that doesn’t make up for his actions during the game between the two schools.
I think you could easily heat the rivalry up to full boil by putting the 1994 National Championship trophy on the line every year in a rivalry game between the two schools.
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m299/WOUNDED34/1992SearsTrophy1.jpg
Gotta love all that red around that trophy. ;)
Bring it PSU. We’ll play ya every year.
by Aaron Musfeldt on Jun 17, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
That is a better idea than my trophy
A two-sided I-80 sign with Pennsylvania on one side, Nebraska on the other.
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Drop the I-80
and go retro with the old Lincoln Highway sign. Or better yet, create something using the old concrete markers as the starting point.
"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway
Too far away
The Lincoln Highway is about 75 miles away from Happy Valley though.
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Super trophy
Make a super trophy out of parts of the ’82 and ’94 trophy!
So I tried the Barbasol and Rotel dip and I was very dissapointed!
Wasn't their fault, but it doesn't mean they didn't go home with the trophy.
Hate manifests itself in many ways, and going undefeated and winning the Rose Bowl and then NOT getting a national championship is even worse than kissing your sister. HATE in 94 is reserved for all parties, not just Nebraska (media, voters, etc.)
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jun 17, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Right
There was just so much hate after that, especially since we had juuust joined the Big Ten. There was so much hate that it needed to be heaped upon as many parties as possible, and still does.
No matter how many teams are in it, I will continue to dislike the Big Ten.
by Illegal Formation on Jun 17, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed Hate by its nature is irrational . It is not logically,
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by psu in the w-b on Jun 17, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
You know how the media loves the SEC?
Equal that love and more for the Big 8 and SWC teams 70’s
All of the announcers spoke with southwest drawls and loved the wishbone and veer offenses.
Why hate Nebraska?
Nebraska didn’t necessarily do anything wrong, but I can remember 1994 clearly and all the Nebraska fans in NY, NJ and PA saying, “it’s a good thing you had to go to the Rose Bowl because you never would have beaten Nebraska.” Of course, I knew they were wrong and I hated the fact that we couldn’t settle it on the field.
I guess what I’m saying is that Nebraska really DOES have a national fanbase and I would absolutely LOVE the opportunity to “HATE” them, even though I respect them, their school and their team. 1994 gave me a taste of the rivalry and I liked it!
Direct Variation
Wouldn’t that be directly related to a fan’s age?
by Llama Sports on Jun 17, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Can someone remind me what happened?
No matter how many teams are in it, I will continue to dislike the Big Ten.
by Illegal Formation on Jun 17, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
got ejected when we drubbed them in 2002
by Artiefufkin10 on Jun 17, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
We did finally kick him off the team
for beating up a possession receiver. He was such a bad kid Oregon wouldn’t let him on the team. And his dad never found a microphone he didn’t like, and never understood why everyone was picking on his darling boy.
I think Nebraska fans are more fond of Thunder Collins, and he’s doing life for first degree murder. He at least had one good play in his career.
by Albino Tornado on Jun 17, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
The name Thunder Collins is beyond outstanding.
The man, maybe not so much.
by Tailgate Shogun on Jun 17, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
My HATE-O-meter holds plenty of grudges...
I graduated in 95 – so my time on campus had two pre-conference years and two in-conference years… and after all that time, my HATE-O-meter still remains pegged -
10 – Ultimate Hate – Nebraska – (&)$(&@#$ stole MY national title
9 – Seething Hate – Ohio State – their use of the bounce pass amazes and astounds
8 – Old School Hate – Pitt – I know its like kicking a guy after a fight who’s laying on the ground all busted up, but sometimes that guy still deserved a good kick to remember why he got beat up in the first place
7 – New School Hate – Michigan – Cheaters
6 – Burning Hate – Iowa – Nothing good comes from Iowa
5 – Exasperated Hate – Minnesota – Last second field goal still haunts my dreams
4 – Just for Fun Hate – Maryland – I just really liked beating the Twerps
3 – Elitist Hate – Notre Dame – this has mellowed, I remember when these guys were much higher on my list, now they’re kind of like an old dog who used to be mean and snap at you when you lost your ball in his yard, but now he’s just kind of sad and lays around alot
2 – Never out of Style Hate – Miami – Just because some things are fun to hate
1 – Thrill is Gone Hate – Florida State – who knew that Joe Winning and Bobby leaving would instantly take 82% of the hate out of this for me??
Still searching for posters from 1986
by brubby on Jun 17, 2010 8:43 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Re: No. 5
Pork comes from Iowa. Please rescind or revise your statement.
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by leeharvey418 on Jun 17, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Crap. I meant 6.
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by leeharvey418 on Jun 17, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
And meth!
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jun 17, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
So you're saying there are two reasons to love Iowa?
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
I'm pretty sure I can get both pork and meth just about anywhere...
and they’re not even famous for it – I’ve never heard of famous Iowa style BBQ and everybody knows Utah is king of the meth world
Still searching for posters from 1986
I thought the famous meth was from the South
Aren’t they famous for their ESSEEESEE SPEED?
by Aaron PSU on Jun 17, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I always thought it was Iowa, but you're right, meth is e'rywhere.
They closed down my local area a month or so ago after finding a meth lab. So there’s that.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jun 17, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Where is your local area?
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by ReadingRambler on Jun 17, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
South of Pittsburgh. Nice area, my point was that these folks are everywhere.
Urban, suburban, and rural.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jun 17, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I know, just curious.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 17, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Not BBQ,
Pork chops (Iowa chops) and tenderloins and such.
There is nothing worse than a sports fan with zero sense of humor.
by stanzipants on Jun 17, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Specifically, the tenderloin at Midtown in Iowa City
That thing’s bigger than your friggin’ head.
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by leeharvey418 on Jun 17, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
d'oh
Okay, so that didn’t turn out so well. I was a proud wearer of the t-shirt:
FRONT – Ohio St. Sucks
BACK – Michigan Swallows
It wasn’t an original thought, but it always worked out well for me during my tailgating at the end of my undergrad years (1999, 2000, 2001). Okay, so I went to school longer than four years, but so does a lot of people.
What I can say about the Big 2 is this: the O$U fans we would meet during tailgates weren’t at an extremely high level of douchery. They were…okay, execept for the Buckeye paraphenila (sp?) draped all over them. On the other hand, UM fans were the epitome of douche. Just the worst of the worst.
Back in UG, our fraternity would have a decent sized tailgate and we’d often have visitors from the O$U/UM chapters. I would stress the same points as above when it came to talking the guys from each school. O$U – almost normal. UM – DOUCHES.
Take that for what its worth. I think the recent successes of O$U has increased my hate level of them. But I think that is natural…
I remember the T-shirt from ’94 that simply stated “Any Time Anywhere” in blue letters on a white shirt…only to then see the same in red letters. Damn marketing people.
"a Pride of Lions that is Penn State football. All of us - players, coaches, students, alumni & fans - are in the Pride. And once in, you never get out." - Jay Paterno
Maybe I was in the wrong part of Ann Arbor
But when we went up to the game last year the fans were nothing but respectful of us, even thought my friend was walking around with a t-shirt that said “Ann Arbor is a whore”. No one said anything to him about it. When our grill couldn’t get started they offered help, I was actually quite impressed, I was expecting far worse.
That being said,
F&*K Michigan.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
I still don't think geography is needed for a good rivalry.
There are countless examples whether it is Lakers and Celtics, Cowboys and Eagles/Redskins/the whole NFL, or USC and Notre Dame. Just because two teams are over a thousand miles away from each other doesn’t disqualify them from being rivals.
Agreed.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jun 17, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
You can have a good rivalry without proximity
But you have to compensate for the other two. Dallas, Notre Dame, Southern Cal, they all have truly hate-able figures that can drive the rivalry. The ’pokes/Eagles/Redskins and ND and USC all play regularly, too, and have tons of history.
You can make it as a rivalry without one of those things, but for me at least, without ANY of them, it becomes hard to hate as much as a school who has some of those. I mean, we’re not that close to Iowa either. It’s the games on the field driving that. Maybe we’ll get there with Nebraska. I hope so. I just don’t see it right now.
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by For The Glory 1855 on Jun 17, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Playing regularly
I think you have to play every year. Pitt is no longer a real rival, even though they meet the other specs. We had some great games against Iowa in the early 2000s, then they dropped off the schedule. Now we’re getting it going again, and then, they’ll drop off again. Hate has to be nurtured, you can’t just ignore it for two years.
No matter how many teams are in it, I will continue to dislike the Big Ten.
by Illegal Formation on Jun 17, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't think so
The original post lays out the criteria perfectly. You either need hatable figures, play significant games against one another, or have a short geographic proximity with one another. Pitt may not be on the schedule in the foreseeable future and we haven’t played them in almost 10 years, but there is a rivalry between the fans, between the coaches in fighting for the same recruits and if the game got put on the schedule tomorrow I promise you there would be a rivalry tone to the game.
I would compare it to the Steelers and Cowboys rivalry in the NFL. They played each other in high stakes games in the 70s and once in 1995. But they play each other once every four years now but everytime they do play that sense of hatred arises out of both teams and both fan bases. The game they last played against each other in 2008 was filled with that sense of “we want to kick their asses!”
by catesinator on Jun 17, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t call it a true rivalry.
No matter how many teams are in it, I will continue to dislike the Big Ten.
by Illegal Formation on Jun 17, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Call it whatever you want.....
…..but if Pitt were put on PSU’s schedule for next season I promise you there would be extraordinary amounts of animosity from both fan bases in the lead up to that game and the players would get caught up in it. Hell, the two schools don’t even play each other anymore and there is still a large amount of animosity between both fan bases every season.
In my book when two fan bases show extreme dislike towards one another, that’s a rivalry.
hmmmm hate...
well, my hate of nebraska mainly comes from the fact that my brother went to Colorado. Also, i’m still pretty angry about the fact that eric crouch won the hesiman. Also, i just seem to have some unknown inherent dislike of the state. it just really rubs me the wrong way…
by Why did I Graduate? on Jun 17, 2010 9:07 AM EDT reply actions
LJ should have won the Heisman
That still pi$$es me off to this day. LJ had some success in the NFL, where Crouch was an absolute joke (I believe he never made anything more than a practice squad, but that is pure speculation and I refuse to google to complete a fact check).
Got your facts screwed up......
Eric Crouch won the Heisman trophy in 2001. Carson Palmer won the Heisman in 2002, the year Larry Johnson ran for over 2000 yards.
So it appears your reason for being pissed off is completely wrong because Carson Palmer has been every bit as successful in the NFL as LJ.
by catesinator on Jun 17, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
dammit
I could have sworn that LJ lost the Heisman to Crouch. I hate being inaccurate, then looking like a buffoon, horse’s arse, or a Buckeye fan…
2002 was a strange year
Considering that voters tend to vote geographically, and that there were like 6 legit candidates, 5 of which were east of Texas, and one right in the L.A. market, it sorta made sense that the other 5 (LJ, Banks, Leftwich, MaGahee, and Dorsey) would divide the other votes, Palmer would dominate the west, and get the trophy
To know I can trust this fix of injustice time after time
Fact.
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by ReadingRambler on Jun 18, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Nope
Rex Grossman and Joey Harrington were there, might have been a fourth.
by Albino Tornado on Jun 17, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he just refused to play WR or something, and he sure as shit wasn't playing QB...or something
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Tell you what.
You get Eddie George to give Tommie Frazier the ’95 Heisman, and we can talk.
by Albino Tornado on Jun 17, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Your last sentence reminds me
of the South Park episode where the boys take a trip to Nebraska to visit Cartman’s grandmother. The road sign at the 0:42 mark pretty much sums it up.
Remember, the South Park guys are Colorado alums
… so they’ve got Preacher Bill McCartney’s hate to lean on. Colorado’s nothing but Wyoming with an attitude.
by Albino Tornado on Jun 17, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Hate-able figures
by your logic, we must have hate-able figures for other teams to have a rivalry with us. So who are they?
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
A lot of people hate Joe.
I think that’s where it starts and ends.
Did people hate LaVar? I don’t remember. We haven’t had much in the way of potentially polarizing figures since then. Any hate for DC?
No matter how many teams are in it, I will continue to dislike the Big Ten.
by Illegal Formation on Jun 17, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
Maybe that’s why people DON’T hate us? We don’t have the figures for it.
Pitt hates Joe because he ended the series, but if you talk to UM and OSU fans, they’ve got nothing but good things to say, save for the old man/poop jokes.
I think at least by Eastern schools, though, Penn State is hateable collectively for just being so much better than everyone else.
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by For The Glory 1855 on Jun 17, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Well
to bring it full circle, this is why I used to hate Nebraska. There were residual 94 feelings, but mostly it was because they were so good year after year in the 90s. It wasn’t because of any individual.
No matter how many teams are in it, I will continue to dislike the Big Ten.
by Illegal Formation on Jun 17, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
You mean this?
School Total Years won
Penn State 28 1947, 1961, 1962, 1964, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1977, 1978, 1981, 1982, 1985, 1986, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1994, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2005, 2008, 2009
Army 7 1944, 1945, 1946, 1948, 1949, 1953, 1958
Pittsburgh 6 1936, 1937, 1955, 1976, 1979, 1980
Syracuse 6 1952, 1956, 1959, 1966, 1987, 1992
Boston College 5 1940, 1942, 1983, 1984, 2004
Navy 4½ 1943, 1954, 1957, 1960 (½), 1963
Miami 4 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003
West Virginia 4 1975, 1988, 1993, 2007
Dartmouth 2 1965, 1970
Princeton 2 1950, 1951
Virginia Tech 2 1995, 1999
Carnegie Tech 1 1938
Cornell 1 1939
Fordham 1 1941
Louisville 1 2006
Yale ½ 1960 (½)
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-J.V.Pa.
I think almost every player is hateable if you already don't like the team.
For example, I could easily see people hating Darryl Clark.
by VVeRPennState on Jun 17, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know...
I kept looking for a reason to hate Pitt basketball this past season, but without DBs like Levance Fields and Dujuan Blair, I found it difficult. In fact, I actually find myself rooting for Pitt in some instances because the team was so thoroughly doucheless.
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by For The Glory 1855 on Jun 17, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
excellent point
im a syracuse grad, so my hate for Pitt is still strong, but i was quite disappointed there are no chevy troutmans or carl krausers left. Luckilly, Villanova has filled that void of douchiness for me.
I also rooted for Pitt football against notre dame, i wonder if i would have done that in the 80s?
You know who was a dick?
Donatas Zavaskas.
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by For The Glory 1855 on Jun 17, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes..
so many fine gentlemen going through that Syracuse basketball program.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
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by Esteban d' Amur on Jun 17, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
your point is well said
though i believe 95% of that reputation is based solely on eric devendorf (who i also hate).
Yes..
95% based on him. Never saw a shot he didn’t like or a bad pass he didn’t like. One of the few players that could shoot you into a game and then shoot you out of the same game. Plus an all around scumbag.
My sister went to ‘Cuse at the same time as Melo. He wasn’t to fond of the classroom either nor was Gerry M.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
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by Esteban d' Amur on Jun 17, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
PSU players to hate....
- Anwar Phillips – accused rapist
- Austin Scott – accused rapist
- Anthony Scirotto – apartment fight
- Jay Paterno – nepotism
- Kerry Collins – racist remarks
- Rashard Casey – incident with NJ police
by catesinator on Jun 17, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Really?
I mean if you’re going to pull that shit, at least give a “good” example like LaVon Chisley. Or even LJ, since he’s turned out to be an asshole. (apologies if you’re not being serious with that list)
Or
Matt Rice & M-Rob = Fight at the Greenberg Ice Rink
Bobby Engram = Stole a car radio
Matt Millen = All Around jagoff
Chris Bell = Sir Shanks-a-lot
Navorro Bowman = Multiple fights and known Pot user
Abe Koroma and Maurice Evans = Love the greenery
Jared Odrick = Incident with police in the Burgh, Fighter
Quarless = Fond of the sauce, unfulfilled potential
Chris Baker = Punchy Punchy Stompy
I mean really
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Rip Engle – dead, what a quitter.
No matter how many teams are in it, I will continue to dislike the Big Ten.
by Illegal Formation on Jun 17, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Incident with police = drunken idiots tried to pick fight with defensive lineman, ran away, called police?
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by ReadingRambler on Jun 17, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
So basically, Odrick is Gregory Peck in “The Gunfighter”, the drunks are the “squirts” that always say “He don’t look so tough” and try to take him on.
How do you like that, Junny?
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by ReadingRambler on Jun 17, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I say stick to what you know.
I could name drop some war stuff, but I’ll stick to names like Clarissa (who may or may not to be able to explain it all) and Jefferson Darcy.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jun 17, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s D’Arcy.
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by ReadingRambler on Jun 17, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Fine, add those two
Someone asked for examples for PSU people to hate so I gave them. All those incidents happened, deal with it.
The next OSU, UM, Iowa, or Toledo fan...
…who brings up Rashard Casey will be the first.
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by For The Glory 1855 on Jun 17, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
"all those incidents happened"
just because someone was accused or arrested for something doesn’t necessarily mean they did anything wrong.
Only pointing this out because there were more than one incidents on your list that could fall into this category.
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 18, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
It goes both ways.
just because someone was accused or arrested acquitted or not charged for something doesn’t necessarily mean they did didn’t do anything wrong.
Only pointing this out because there were more than one incidents on your list that could fall into this category.
by VVeRPennState on Jun 18, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmmmm....
just because someone was accused or arrested for something doesn’t necessarily mean they did anything wrong.
A bit off topic – but tell that to people that are demonizing Ben Roethlisberger.
And yes the “incident” of those players being accused of something did happen. Never said what they actually were accused of did happen. When fans of other teams are looking for players to hate, they don’t need a rational reason.
Jesus, how many of those guys were acquitted?
Got more suits than Jacoby and Meyers.
by Run Up The Score on Jun 17, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
All of them.
Except JayPa. He sucks.
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by ReadingRambler on Jun 17, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
the only way i'm able to stomach being a penn state basketball fan
is because the pirates have taught me to hope against all logic
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
+1
I’ll always contend that true, die-hard Pirate fans are by far the best fans in sports for putting up with the s*** we’ve had to put up with.
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by For The Glory 1855 on Jun 17, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Have faith.
I have put up with far worse things as a sports fan than 17 straight losing seasons…. I like the Vikings, Knicks, Phillies, Flyers and of course, PSU. The thing is, I was able to have both awful teams and teams that just couldn’t quite make it. I sat through Gary Anderson’s missed FG in 98, Joe Carter’s HR, The Knicks making the finals every time Jordan retired, just to lose, Reggie Miller’s performance, the 94 fiasco, UM ‘05, Iowa’08, the Flyers getting stomped in the finals a couple times, The Vikes last year, the Phils missing the Playoffs on the last weekend of the season, PSU’s dark ages, etc, etc…
Liking teams that are consistently good but come up short in usually heartbreaking fashion is awful. Joe Carter killed me more as a boy than the nest 10 years of suck by the Phillies. There is something charming about cheering for losers, you get to be seen as a die hard and its not as rough on your health when the team is out of it on day 2 of the season, you get to relax. Having teams make the playoffs or title game and lose is far far more hurtful.
Not entirely sure what my point is, but the Pirates will be good again eventually, and its not like the Burgh doesn’t have other teams to help ease the pain.
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by Roland86 on Jun 17, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
Any Cubs fan that makes fun of the Pirates, I just tell to kiss our ring from 1909.
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by For The Glory 1855 on Jun 17, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Once again…
1. a person who is competing for the same object or goal as another, or who tries to equal or outdo another; competitor.
2. a person or thing that is in a position to dispute another’s preeminence or superiority
Thus, it is impossible for me to see a fellow “elite” program playing in the same conference as my team as a “rival”.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
I don't get it.
Why is elite in quotes? I am missing something. Did the dictionary tell you not to hate Michigan? Is it the same dictionary that makes you love Iowa? You should burn it.
No matter how many teams are in it, I will continue to dislike the Big Ten.
by Illegal Formation on Jun 17, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I can’t burn dictionary.com.
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by ReadingRambler on Jun 17, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Can’t your robot mind crash the site or something?
No matter how many teams are in it, I will continue to dislike the Big Ten.
by Illegal Formation on Jun 17, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure, but you’ll have to give me a reason to do so.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 17, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
How about pure, irrational hate?
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by leeharvey418 on Jun 17, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Rec'd for titillating.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Real rivalries require respect, not hate
some hate may evolve within the fanbase, but at bottom, for there to be a rivalry, you must respect your opponent and consider them capable of beating you.
[I’m not talking about hilarious Cairo-style satirical HATE, mind you]
We’re not rivalries with Michigan b/c they don’t respect us after the 9-year streak. We’re not rivals with Sparty b/c we don’t respect them.
We are building a rivalry with Iowa (though I would not say that we’re rivals yet) b/c both teams and fanbases respect one another. There is no one on the Iowa team or that represents the university of Iowa that I hate. Hell, the conventional wisdom on this blog going into the postseason last year was that Iowa should get a BCS bid before us, though we had similar (or the same?) records. that was no hate (and sadly little HATE either).
Another requirement—in addittion to respect—that you left out is resemblence. Real rivals tend to resemble one another. they have players that could have gone to either school. They’re both cocky (USC/ND); they’re both rich (Yankees/Sox); they’re both rustbelt (Steelers/Browns).
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
Very True
There weren’t a whole lot of blow outs in that 9 year span, though, which is the one quibble I’d have with the “Michigan doesn’t respect us” thing.
They very well could have lost half of those games and whether they’ll admit it or not, I think they know that.
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by For The Glory 1855 on Jun 17, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
maybe Michigan SHOULD respect us
but they don’t. as your experience bears out.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
Maybe
But I sense there’s some degree of insecurity in the desire to go after two Pirate fans with Penn State jabs.
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by For The Glory 1855 on Jun 17, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't buy it
If that were the case then Notre Dame wouldn’t have a rivalry with anyone.
As a Steeler fan I can say that we absolutely have a rivalry with the Cleveland Browns even though we beat them twice almost every year.
The rivalry with Michigan existed even through the 9 game losing streak because the games played between us were close and high stakes.
by catesinator on Jun 17, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
ND has played close games with schools the past two years, even while losing
they were the only team (except Texas) to really put a scare into the Leinart/Bush USC team.
Its not a rivalry if only one team considers it as such. The Whore cares less about us than OSU, MSU, and ND and probably about the same as Wisconsin. Ask their fans what they think.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
So Michigan has no rivals
And same with Notre Dame?
In the case of both schools their fan bases look down upon everyone and don’t respect anybody.
Who one the last game?
"Wherever you go, Penn State will go with you. You are now a part of her. Her image will be cast in your image. Your reputation will become her reputation."
by noodlebucket on Jun 17, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Hence why I said "almost every year"
Still zero wins against Pittsburgh when it really mattered. Last time Cleveland won an important game in the series when both teams were good was week 1 of the 1989 season.
This
is why Nebraska and Colorado were never rivals. Or Nebraska and any of the other former Big 8 schools excepting Oklahoma.
by Albino Tornado on Jun 17, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know why we're trying to force it.
Rivalries are so watered down, that I don’t know if you can call them rivalries anymore. There was a time when the actual players hated each other to the point they would blatantly try to hurt each other. Now, every fan base wants to have 5 rivalry games per year. The networks, of course, love the idea and pump them up to improve ratings.
I think a true rivalry exists when you tell yourself you wouldn’t mind losing other games as long as you can beat program X. I don’t think we have any of those right now. And, personally, I don’t feel the need to force them. My emotional health from week to week every fall is so heavily tied to the outcome of Penn State football that nothing else could really elevate that. If a rivalry develops down the road, fine. If not, I will still live and die with my team every week regardless of the opponent.
by PSUinBOSSton on Jun 17, 2010 10:13 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I just looked at the pictures......
and my heart filled with hate…. Mario Manningham can rot in hell…. as could that Murray F*ck…. i hate them all and if i saw them in public i’d probably spit on him…..ggrrrrr hate…. i need to go take some agression out…. i should put those pictures up….. maybe those pictures should be up in the penn state weight room and maybe they would inspire our players….. ggrrrrrrrrrrr
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i dont get the guy's comment
what does that mean that thats how penn state will look when it grows up? Isnt our stadium bigger? and if its not, isnt it only a few seats off?
Yeah I don't know
I think he was a little inebriated. I just found it hilarious that the first person I even looked at when I got there immediately was making wise cracks about Penn State without even knowing if I was a Penn State fan.
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by For The Glory 1855 on Jun 17, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
whats sad and upsetting
is that its a pretty decent line. You should have had a good comeback like “the jerk store called and they’re running out of you”
you really think its a decent line?
what was he trying to prove? that they have more tradition than us because their stadium is older?
Never been to the big house but from everything I’ve heard its a giant hole in the ground. Everything is outdated and crappy right down to the bench, which apparently have been busted by some PSU’ers standing on them in the past.
by Artiefufkin10 on Jun 17, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
no i dont in the context of penn state
my original post was that his comment made no sense in the context of PSU. But its a good line for us to use against Pitt, or something in that vein. the line by itself is a good line, his usage of it and his target, not so much.
That about covers it
You pretty much described Michigan’s stadium right on the money based on my experience from the game I went to.
by catesinator on Jun 17, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I had a great line for the Tigers fans who got on us
On the way back to the car after the Sunday game, a dude yelled out of his car (I was standing right next to it, too) “PIRATES SUCK!!” I turned, looked him in the eye and asked “How was our Super Bowl?” and kept walking.
Stunned.
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by For The Glory 1855 on Jun 17, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I hate that argument so much.
If I was going to give a Pirates fan shit, I don’t give a shit about whether or not the Steelers have 100 super bowl rings, I’m not talking about that sport, I’m talking about baseball. Its such an insecure argument to use another sport. I love when I am talking some smack with some people about baseball and then they’ll be like “Well yeah, but how many rings do the eagles have?” I’m not an Eagles fan and the Steelers don’t play baseball is usually my response.
Maybe its just because I don’t have a regional allegiance to a specific city, it just gets so obnoxious up here at PSU with those stupid arguments between the western and eastern PAers.
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I'd agree with you
Except it’s not like the Tigers have a whole lot on the Pirates. Yeah, they won a pennant a few years ago, but whoopdeedoo. I’m not jealous of the freakin’ Tigers. They sucked for a long time not too far in the past, too.
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by For The Glory 1855 on Jun 17, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
A better comeback would be “Sorry I can’t talk, I’m on my way back home to get to my job. You remember what a job is right?”
I would have responded with something like:
“Yes, it’s impressive! Much nicer than I would expect for a last place team!”
“Yes, this is much older than Penn State. I can almost hear the ghosts of Michigan past turning over in their graves. Quite an aura.”
Unless the guy was huge.
by Cairo on Jun 17, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm indifferent to rivalries now.
I cosign with psuinbos, who give a $(%#. We play a good schedule against high-profile teams, and if we win one or two and lose one or two, they’re all entertaining. And we certainly don’t have that “win this one and lose the others,” and I doubt we ever will. And I’m okay with that. We’re in a good league, I want to play the best teams in it every year regardless of the existential realities of what a rival is.
I want our rival to be the team with the best record through 11 games, then I want to beat them at the end of the year as the 12th. That’s preferable to me than any game against Pitt/Nebraska/OSU/Temple.
For obscurity's sake, people, Evan Hailes needs you.
by KevinHD on Jun 17, 2010 10:32 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Exactly.
Not to be confused with HATE, which I have enough to go around. But it changes every year based on the strength of the programs standing in our way.
by PSUinBOSSton on Jun 17, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
THIS
+31, smiley face, etc. The rivalry thing is overblown. Do you think Ohio State fans would say Michigan was their biggest game this year? No it was the Iowa game or our game or the USC game. I don’t particularly care if we have one of those “throw the records out the window” games. I want to see good games against good teams, no matter who it is.
by speedomike on Jun 17, 2010 12:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I lived in Wyoming for 10 years
And lived through the 94 debacle.
In Wyoming there is a saying: Do you know why it is so windy in Wyoming? Because Nebraska sucks and Colorado Blows. I feel the hate.
Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils
One thing I think For The Glory is getting at is.....
Don’t let the excitement of adding Nebraska and our history with them allow us to let teams Michigan and Iowa fall in our rear view mirrors…so to speak…..
We lost a ton of consecutive games to Michigan…… gut wrenching, heart-breaking games and worse yet, several were during and emerging from our worst years as a program. We can never undo that nor should we try to forget it. Just because they’re down now doesn’t mean we leave’em alone…we should continue to look forward towards kicking them some more! I feel like we still have to return the favor to them..many more times consecutively for things to sit right in my mind.
Iowa is basically Michigan without the obnoxious fans. Actually Iowa has very likeable fans, generally speaking, and BHGP is a gold mine of great reading. But, they’ve had our number for a while on the field and its time to start turning the tables.
If we forget about these things and lose to them, that feeling is going to linger. Its stunk for way too long and there is still disinfecting to be done.
/grizzled to the end.
Sure it is.
Sure it is.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 17, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I have a girlfriend.
Her name is Jessica Alba.
(We haven’t been together in 23 years but, the passion is still there)
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by OMEGAMAN on Jun 17, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
I have beach front property in Wyoming to sell you
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by psuphiman80 on Jun 17, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Lots of Wyoming mentions in this thread
by speedomike on Jun 17, 2010 12:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No hate from UM....
We kid ourselves as fans if we believe Michigan has genuine hate for PSU! We hate Michigan for a variety of reasons (Dick Rod stealing our recruits, the streak, the getting f*d over during the streak on multiple occasions) but it is still a one way street. I have gone to Ann Arbor on several occasions always hating Michigan…… but on every occasion came away leaving thinking that their fans were some of the nicest in the Big 10. They are generally cordial and very generous with food, bevies, etc. For the hate to come from Michigan……we need to keep that streak going for a few more years. As of now though….all their anger focuses on OSU.
I thought only safeties played 15 yards off the ball?
I don't think they hate us
I don’t think they like us either, though. Kind of reminds me of the rivalry between the Busch twins in NASCAR. Kyle wants to beat his brother so bad that he ends up driving his car into the wall 9 times out of 10. Kurt wants to win, but doesn’t return the intensity from Kyle.
God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...
by For The Glory 1855 on Jun 17, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
or the time
Hank “the Spear” Spearman beat Ralph Fornado in the park checkers league championship 5 years straight
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 18, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I hate Michigan...
because even though they’ve won 1 national championship since about 1949, they act like they have Nebraska’s resume (you know, a program that has competed for MNC’s for multiple decades). They were a regional power in 60s and 70s, who got spanked by USC in the Rose Bowl if they were lucky enough to beat OSU, irrelevant in the 80s and had a good run under Carr. Wow, that’s so impressive.
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by Esteban d' Amur on Jun 17, 2010 1:32 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
IT’S 3:16 PM AND MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS!
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 17, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
and they always will!
even more so then normal with DickRod at the helm!
I thought only safeties played 15 yards off the ball?
Ha!
Should have replied that it will take Pennsylvania at least a decade more of state government corruption and ineptitude, to be as much in the hole as Michigan is.
A Husker's thoughts...
Good, healthy discussion fellas. I have to tell you, I’ve always respected PSU. You’re a class act with a lot of history. I can’t wait to play you guys regularly.
Fans and journalists can’t make a rivalry. It happens (or doesn’t) all on its own. I think the three criteria are all important, but they don’t have equal weights.
"Regional tension" is the no-brainer, easy factor to get a rivalry going. Huskers and Hawkeyes don’t like each other much to start with. We interact daily. There are gobs of Husker fans in Iowa (me, for one), especially in the western half of the state. Both are tired of talk and are eager to settle it on the field. We don’t have the same luxury with PSU. That’ll make an NU/PSU rivalry harder to build.
With that said, "Significant on-field history" is the biggest factor, though I would add "for significant stakes". True rivals are built over long periods. They need to play annually or darned close to it. They need to have played with high stakes on the line. NU/OU was a great rivalry for both schools. We’re not regional. But the stakes (Big 8 title, Orange Bowl, possible Nat title) were almost always very high. I think if PSU and NU can find themselves fighting over the conference title/Rose Bowl/Nat title consistently, a great rivalry could build in time.
As for "Hate-able figures"… Play frequently with high stakes, and I’ll guarantee we’ll all find people to hate on the other side.
I didn't know there were people in western Iowa
let alone the internet.
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by The JuggerNitt on Jun 18, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I envisioned just one big pile of meth and abandoned tractor trailers.
I guess you learn something new everyday!
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jun 18, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
94 Nebraska vs 94 PSU
If PSU had played Nebraska in 94 and they get a full games dose of Frazier/Phillips running behind that Nebraska offensive line, that PSU defense would get monkey stomped and trucked the entire freaking game.
The Hurricanes with the #1 scoring and # 1 total defense with Sapp and Lewis gave up 230 yards rushing to 94 Nebraska and they saw Frazier/Phillips for less than a half! If the Canes number 1 defense got Frazier/Phillips for an entire game, they give up 350 yards rushing or more and 35 plus points. We know thte those rushing yards lead to points because they did even with Frazier playing as little as he did. Those points and rushing yards would have started to come lots sooner against the Canes D if they saw Frazier/Phillips for an entire game!
And Nebraska possessed the ball for 32 mins over the Canes d. A number that likely goes up if Frazier/Phillips play entire game together. Now, if Frazier/Phillips play an entire game against that pillow soft, below average, 70th ranked defense, OMG!!!!
I see Nebraska possesing the ball for somewhere in the neighborhod of 40 or more minutes! Don’t give me that crap about the PSU defense was bad because they were on the field to much because of the explosive PSU offense. BULL! They were on the filed too much because they just weren’t good, they weren’t able to get off the field because they weren’t able to stop anyone.
This is noted by giving up 380 yards a game to the pathetic Big 10 offenses! oh and over 500 yards of offense to Rutgers! you say, “Quick strike PSU offense” Not against Nebraska they aren’t.
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