How they advance
United States
• Win vs. Algeria
• Tie with Algeria, and Slovenia-England tie IF England does not outscore U.S. by 2-or-more goals
• Tie and England lossEngland
• Win vs. Slovenia
• Tie AND U.S.-Algeria tie AND outscore U.S. by 3 goalsSlovenia
• Win/tie vs. England
• Loss AND U.S. tie vs. Algeria
• Loss AND Algeria win as long as Algeria doesn't make up tiebreakersAlgeria
• Win vs. U.S. AND Slovenia win/tie vs. England
• Win vs. USA AND Slovenia loss vs England AND make up tiebreakers on SloveniaNotes
• Only way both U.S. and England advance is if both win
• If the U.S. draws with Algeria and England draws with Slovenia, and England scores exactly two more goals than the U.S., the U.S. and England would be even on all tiebreakers for second place. The tie would be broken by drawing lots.
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US Soccer on the front page of a Penn State blog?
We’re not pinkos. We’re from ’MERICA first and foremost.
So what should you root for? This…
If the U.S. draws with Algeria and England draws with Slovenia, and England scores exactly two more goals than the U.S., the U.S. and England would be even on all tiebreakers for second place. The tie would be broken by drawing lots
…followed by America winning whatever “drawing lots” is, which I’m assuming is similar to Cornhole.
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It's some sort of random selection
Dunno if they throw names into a hat and draw, or flip a coin, or what.
Preferred method is rock paper scissor
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by psu in the w-b on Jun 20, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Just for the sake of completeness ...
… the tiebreaker situation for Algeria and Slovenia is:
- If Algeria and England each win by 1: Both Algeria and Slovenia will be at 0 goal difference. However, Slovenia has 3 goals scored to Algeria’s 0 (and head-to-head should that end up tied), so Algeria would have to score four more goals in their one-goal win than Slovenia does in their one-goal loss in order to advance. Somehow I don’t think this is likely.
- If either game is decided by 2 or more goals: Algeria advances on goal difference.
Hopefully this is all moot because we smack Algeria around.
In low scoring sports, they're frustrating
but I would welcome their return to football and basketball. If teams play that long of a game in which either 1) Nearly all of the scoring is coprime (like football) or 2) The game is fluid and high scoring (basketball), and have THE EXACT SAME number of points at the end, it’s a tie. Nobody won, nobody lost. It was a draw, and to call it anything else cheapens the game.
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by ckmneon on Jun 18, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Overtime adds drama to the game
Show up and decide something, no matter how long it takes. I can’t believe they don’t even have overtime!
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by psuphiman80 on Jun 18, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Length of game
If it helps, imagine that everything from 75 minutes on is overtime. It’s just perception.
In American sports players are not really playing very hard. It’s not their fault: they are not allowed. There are commercial breaks all the time, general clock stoppages, and coaches sub them out. If they played the full 60 minutes of game time without a break in an actual 60 minutes, things would be a wee bit different.
Wait, can't you tie in the NFL? Better ask this guy...
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by Cpiritual27 on Jun 19, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I mostly favor allowing regular-season ties in football
… because the risk of injury is high, and neither then NFL nor the college overtime format are satisfactory (in the NFL, you can win the game without the other team getting a chance; in college, you aren’t playing normal football when you start on the 25, and it can continue indefinitely). But in college football getting rid of overtime is even more important, because poll votes by people who likely did not watch the game and computer rankings determine championship participants and major bowl eligibility. As such it’s important that ties get recorded as ties.
pro-football recently modified their overtime rules. It is just a baby step, but now they allow the other team to get possession if the team that wins the coin toss scores a FG on the first possession. Better than what it was before.
As for the college game, wouldn’t a better approach be to get rid of the subjective component to determining who goes to the championship games? I always see various reasons to change other aspects of the college football game as well, and they almost always boil down to “because otherwise the voters do this”. To me it seems easier and better to get rid of one big problem than hundreds of little problems caused by that big problem.
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 19, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Pro overtime
was superior to college overtime even before they improved it, and there’s still the whole tie possibility, which adds some legitimacy to it. College OT is a joke.
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I agree with having ties, especially in college football. Quite frankly, no reason not to have them in the regular season of the NFL either. I’ve never really understood the (mostly American, I guess) obsession with breaking ties — sometimes the two teams are evenly matched and neither deserves to win or lose.
That said, I prefer the college OT rules to the NFL, though they really need to move the starting point back to the 35 or so. Don’t make a FG fairly achievable without gaining a yard.
Ties
I was just thinking about this. I love when they are at the soccer game and the crowd turns because the teams are just passing the ball around.
I thought about that scene during the US-England game
there was one stretch of almost a minute where England was just passing back and forth between 3 of their players right around midfield.
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 19, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I though about a scene during a random football game
there was one stretch of almost 10 minutes real time where team A was just running the ball between the tackles handing the ball off to the same right around midfield.
See what I just did there? Same idea as football, you keep possession for some tactical reason. Usually the idea in soccer is to move it around the back line until the defense opens up a gap for your player to receive a pass. Kind of like football in that respect. If your opponent is playing the deep pass, you dink it around underneath. Kicking the ball up field in soccer is the equivalent of f—- it, I’m going deep. Only works against Akron, basically.
I understand the ball control
but the scene looked exactly like this
And in football, if every play for a 10 minute stretch was the exact same off tackle run for 2 yards, I would get bored of that as well.
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 21, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Almost as much as I want the U.S. to advance
I want England to not advance. The excuses the English press would come up with would make “Pryor barely fumbled” look like sound, objective journalism.
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It would either be hilarious excuses
or they are going to rip that entire team a new one. Seeing that media meltdown might be interesting to watch too.
"I did my walk of shame this morning and everyone was so much nicer," she said. "People were inviting me to parties at 9 a.m."
I'm willing to bet
that it would be a lot of both, and it would be thoroughly entertaining.
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Oh no. Over here we know our excuse. The Players just didn’t perform. We aren’t blaming anyone but the players and manager so don’t worry – if we go out – the full force of the media will not come down on excuses…
I'm expecting
That someway, somehow, England and the United States will advance.
Neither English-speaking team has performed as well as its fans could have reasonably hoped, but they are still the two best teams in the group, and are playing games in which they are both favored.
Slovenia is like a cute little 3 point shooting, 2-3 zone playing, white boy filled mid major entering the NCAA tournament. This is how I feel about all of the overly defensive-minded countries. They’re dangerous, and if they catch you on an off day, can win, but nobody is really expecting them to be a legit contender, and they’re in a group with two teams who are, at the very least, quarterfinal contending teams.
Algeria is the happy to be there 15 or 16 seed. Sure, they’ve a couple very talented guys, but obviously lack the skills and depth to do any real damage.
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Drawing lots
Why not a good, old fashioned Aaron Burr vs. Alexander Hamilton duel?
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jun 19, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Yawn
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by For The Glory 1855 on Jun 19, 2010 12:08 AM EDT reply actions
That's nice.
So, what should the Big12Ten divisions be?
At least there's a playoff with World Cup Soccer
as opposed to say…. college football.
by Mr. Rosewater on Jun 19, 2010 6:44 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
On the other hand, the World Cup features soccer while American college football features football.
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by ReadingRambler on Jun 19, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
But you can also say the WC is based on performance on the pitch, whereas college football is based on the opinions of Pat Forde.
by Mr. Rosewater on Jun 19, 2010 9:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You can say that, but you can also say that World War 2 was based on Hitler’s desire for revenge after Churchill and FDR got drunk and urinated on Hitler’s rosebushes.
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by ReadingRambler on Jun 19, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I can say that
but I like to say they urinated on Eva Braun, whose code may have been “rosebush”. And Hitler was jealous cuz he enjoys a good golden shower now and then. It gets his little fuherer erect.
by Mr. Rosewater on Jun 19, 2010 11:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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