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Penn State Lacrosse: Upgraded

 

Penn State hired a new lacrosse coach to replace long-time caretaker Glenn Thiel.  It's part of an interesting flight of coaches from Ivy League schools. Jeff Tambroni leaves Cornell for State College; other coaches made moves from Harvard to Maryland, Penn to Drexel, and probably most shocking: Princeton to Denver.

 

Those are, with the exception of Harvard, big-time college lacrosse programs losing coaches to middle-of-the-pack ones.  It's Jim Tressel leaving Ohio State for Toledo.

TNIAAM likens the trend to what we saw in football and basketball generations ago, noting that every college football champion was an Ivy from 1869 and 1900, yet none have done it since 1925.

It's probably because we've got the loot and the Ivy's don't:

The schools that afford to overpay quality coaches, build better facilities and attract better athletes simply begin to outpace the ones that can't do all of those things.  Namely, regional Ivy League schools.

Obviously, this is overstating the current situation.  Princeton and Cornell are still both top programs.  The sport is still full of small, regional schools that compete and do well.  But what if Tambroni turns Penn State into a power?  And Tierney continues to build Denver up?  And more high-profile universities hire away good coaches from the little guys.  And conferences expand, cultivate and grow.  And the sports continues moving West away from its Northeastern roots.

Well...I guess we'll see...

If you were a reader around this time last year you may remember a disagreement (okay, BLOGFIGH!1!) between Tim, now at Mgoblog, and myself about the merits of self-sustained Midwestern lacrosse. 

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Beneath all the absolute crap he threw out to defend...well whatever it was he was trying to say, I never did figure that out...was my point: A Midwestern school cannot become constantly relevant without shipping in a 747 worth of east coast lacrosse talent.  I thought it was a pretty obvious statement then.  It kind of still is. 

I never did get to post this, but I dumped the rosters of the top four seeded teams when the 2010 NCAA bracket was announced. 

 

Ten of the 181 roster spots on those four teams are from Big Ten states other than Philly.  Will that number increase in the next 20 years?  Almost certainly, there are only ten and it can't get much smaller, but we're talking marathons worth of ground to make up here.

Being the Big Ten's only fake-Midwesterner pays off.  Penn State is probably in a decent position to benefit anyway, at least from a most improved perspective.  The sheer number of students from lacrosse states will draw a crowd, and it's within shouting distance of where 94% of the best players grow up.

I'll also take Tambroni leaving behind three Final Four appearances in the last four years at Cornell, plus what would have probably turned into an offer from frickin' Maryland, as a sign that Penn State has potential.  I mean look at this record:

Year W-L Pct. Season Notes
2001 7-6 .538
2002 11-4 .733 NCAA Quarterfinals
2003 9-4 .692 Co-Ivy Champions
2004 9-5 .643 Co-Ivy Champions, NCAA Quarterfinals
2005 11-3 .786 Ivy Champions, NCAA Quarterfinals
2006 11-3 .786 Co-Ivy Champions, NCAA First Round
2007 15-1 .938 Ivy Champions, NCAA Semifinalist
2008 11-4 .733 Co-Ivy Champions, NCAA First Round
2009 13-4 .764 Co-Ivy Champions, NCAA Runner-Up
2010 12-6 .667 Co-Ivy Champions, NCAA Semifinalist
TOTAL 109-40 .732

 

It's an exciting hire for anyone who wants to see Penn State as a consistent tournament team, not to mention the raving reviews he's getting from current and former Cornell players even as he's walking out the door.

And it doesn't hurt to be lucky.  This time in the form of coach's wife, Michelle.  She's a Penn State grad and apparently one of the better field hockey players the school has ever had.

So while Tambroni likely sees potential at a sports-culture school, made up of half east-coasters and with excellent facilities—well there is opportunity for his wife at well.

Penn State has been the NCAA runner-up in field hockey twice since 2002 and is in good position to take advantage of what one publication called the Florida and Texas of college football: known to many of you as southeast Pennsylvania.

Now why, as is being rumored, Michelle thinks she will get the job is unclear and not something I will speculate on. Charlene Morett is the current coach; she's in her 23rd season, has had the most all-conference players of any Big Ten school since 2002, and will finish her career—whenever it ends—as one of the five winningest coaches in her sport.

Speaking of being a "winningest." Cornell was quick to replace their very successful one with long-time assistant Ben DeLuca.  Quick and with style:

ITHACA, N.Y. - Ben DeLuca, a fixture on the Big Red men's lacrosse sideline for the past decade, has been named The Richard M. Moran Head Coach of Men's Lacrosse at Cornell, it was announced Friday....

No, don't get confused, Richard M. Moran already was the head coach, it's just that his name stays on the letterhead for eternity.  So the bar has been set:

Coach School Years Winning % Championships
Richard M. Moran Cornell 29 .680 3
Joseph V. Paterno Penn State 44+ .753 2ish

 

No word yet on whether the job title would come with a set of Coke bottles.

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And in case you were wondering: Cornell named the AD’s position after something called a “MeakemSmith.” I’ll put up the Tim Curley poll some other time.

For obscurity's sake, people, Evan Hailes needs you.

by KevinHD on Jun 21, 2010 4:31 PM EDT reply actions  

That’s because two people named “Meakam” and “Smith” donated the money to endow the athletic director position—in the same way you might see a “Meakem Smith Professor of XXX” in an academic department. Similarly, I’d bet that either 1) Richard M. Moran himself endowed the Cornell lacrosse coach position, or 2) a donor endowed it, and named the endowment after the program’s most successful coach instead of after himself. (If you look around the Ivy League, many coaches serve in endowed positions. I know the Yale hockey coach, for instance, is actually the Malcolm G. Chace Head Coach of Yale Men’s Hockey.)

Not that there isn’t some PSU alum who wouldn’t be willing to pony up enough $$$ to endow the football coach position at PSU, I’m sure. It’s just that it’d be about money—like I’m sure it is at Cornell—and not relative success.

by LVS on Jun 21, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Half to three quarters of the scholarships on the football team

Are fully endowed scholarships named after somebody, as well as the Nittany Lion, and even a few chearleaders I think.

It’s not at all uncommon.

Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.

by jesse. on Jun 23, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is a great hire for PSU. Ivy lacrosse = 0 athletic scholarships + only need, not merit, based aid + restrictive entrance requirements. PSU lacrosse = at least some athletic scholies + merit based aid (do not overlook this) + strategically situated (PA address – Maryland and Hopkins can’t take all the talent from MD and NJ) + slightly less restrictive entrance requirements. This is genius if Curley (Curley, right?) has designs on upgrading this program. If those bastards at ND can have a good lacrosse team, PSU certainly can. The sport is growing like mad here in Texas – and while the balance of numbers won’t shift out of the east, there’s players to be had in CA, CO, TX, and soon FL. The ivies will be out of the final 4 within 5 years and may never return with what the sport is seeing now. You all are in the leading edge and could turn into a power very quickly with this guy. Plus, it is really fun to watch (sadface – born in the wrong state, Iowa).

by txhawkeye on Jun 21, 2010 6:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Really? I never heard that!

Dripping with sarcasm…

For the glory

by Paige2PSU on Jun 21, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah!1

he turned down a scholarship from Johns Hopkins and everything. It’s an amazing story, really, that a guy who’s really good at one sport was also good at another. Wild stuff.

For obscurity's sake, people, Evan Hailes needs you.

by KevinHD on Jun 21, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is an interesting parallel between Penn State football and Cornell lacrosse. Having attended both Penn State and Cornell in the 60s and 70s, I saw Penn State as an Eastern power fight for national recognition in football against the national perception that Eastern football could not compete with the traditional powers like Notre Dame, Alabama, and Texas. At the same time, Cornell from upstate New York, fought for national recognition in lacrosse, a sport that the media "decided" was dominated by the Mid-Atlantic schools, until a national playoff was initiated in 1971, which Cornell won by defeating Maryland. Cornell had a very young team this past season and still made the Final Four. It will be a favorite to win the title next year, with or without Tambroni. I am sorry to see him leave the Big Red, but look forward to seeing him turn Penn State’s program around.

by dralditt on Jun 21, 2010 9:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Good to see you on here, Dr. Al!

I don’t know if anyone else from our chapter is on here. I’m addicted, you probably will be soon!

For the glory

by Paige2PSU on Jun 21, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still don’t know what lacrosse is. Do we recruit people from the Iroquois Confederacy?

"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I

by ReadingRambler on Jun 21, 2010 9:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Big matchup this weekend:

Lenne Lenape Lions take on the Powhatan Panthers.

Bacon is almost as great as being a Penn Stater

by NittanyTide on Jun 22, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm glad he seemingly will have no problem with the co-champ thing.

I see now the Big Ten does it to try to look more like the Ivy League. This is great for Penn State Lacrosse. This sport is really on a huge upswing all over. South Central Pa has schools popping up with new programs. Chambersburg went from a club to varsity sport in the last 4 years and has numerous kids playing at very good DIII and DII schools and maybe a couple at DI programs. Great sport, wish it had been more popular when I was in high school, of course, being in the spring I doubt I would have left baseball to play it.

by BMAN13 on Jun 22, 2010 6:59 AM EDT reply actions  

One of the biggest problems with the "growing"

discussion, because the sport is of course growing in places like the midwest and southwest, is the culture around the other sports as well. A sport really takes off when it’s one of the most popular, and the biggest hurdle (if your rooting for HS lacrosse to reach FB levels) isn’t getting teams at schools, it’s getting kids at schools to give up other sports to play yours. Football was mostly a year-round thing where I grew up, and baseball was also big in my area and if of course huge in the southwest.

That being said, I’m sure you’ll see a little more diversity going forward, but people who think midwest lacrosse is going to be able to boast more than one or two hs teams that are east coast caliber in the next 5-10 years are nuts imo. They were saying the same thing 5-10 years ago and there are virtually the same number of midwestern players on the elite eastern college rosters now as there were then. In time, sure, but probably way longer than the optimists seem to think.

For obscurity's sake, people, Evan Hailes needs you.

by KevinHD on Jun 22, 2010 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

The great news is...

now Syracuse has a sport we’d love to dominate you guys in.

Troy Nunes Is An Absolute Magician - The Syracuse blog that cares.

by Sean Keeley on Jun 22, 2010 1:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Penn State Men's Basketball: Upgraded

Wait, nope, that’s just a hope.
Progress is not for all.

by NittanyBadger on Jun 22, 2010 7:03 PM EDT reply actions  

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