Penn State Recruiting: At Some Point, The Sky Begins To Fall
We're all a bit squeamish when it comes to recruiting around here. Our friends at Black Heart Gold Pants like to caption their recruiting updates, "Caring is creepy." It must also be said that when it comes to recruiting, "creepy is caring." While it's ridiculously nearsighted to throw a fit after every single recruiting update on Scout or Rivals, it's important stuff even if it's a bit icky. All of this said, you may have noticed that Penn State hasn't exactly been doing...well, anything with respect to recruiting. It's the end of June, and Penn State's lone commit is a two-star tight end from Delaware. Look at the teams you'd consider Penn State's main competition, and compare. Ohio State. Pittsburgh. Michigan. Notre Dame. Rutgers. Yes, it's only mid-summer, but this isn't encouraging.
It's an unbelievably down year for high school football talent in Pennsylvania. Very down. Scout's only five-star Pennsylvania player, Oil City tight end Ben Koyack, was considered a toss-up recruit between Ohio State, Notre Dame, and Penn State -- he wound up at Notre Dame. Of the remaining PA recruits, only Kyshoen Jarrett, Terrell Chestnut, Michael Caputo, and Shawn Oakman appear to have mutual interest with PSU (and a hundred other schools). Oakman was reportedly ready to pull the trigger for PSU a few weeks ago, but it never happened and he's visiting Pitt this weekend ($).
Penn State's coaches are no strangers to recruiting in Maryland, Virginia, New Jersey, and many other mid-Atlantic states, but signs of recruiting life are difficult to discern on those horizons, as well. The PSU coaching staff told five-star RB Recruit Savon Huggins that he was their only and only true love, and wouldn't even recruit another running back. He's still playing the field. Marquis Wright, a defensive tackle considered to be one of Penn State's top targets for this class, just committed to Pitt. Virginia, North Carolina, Rutgers, and Pitt are all nudging Penn State out for recruits. Yes, it's not even July. I know. Still, cries of "it's just one player" and "stars are irrelevant" are ringing more hollow by the day.
Honestly, what's the deal here? Last year, Mike Hull and Paul Jones were early, five-star headliners for what snowballed into a very successful recruiting class. Coming off a 11-2 season capped by a victory over an SEC team in a New Year's Day bowl, and holding a very limited amount of scholarships, shouldn't this be a relatively easy recruiting job for Penn State? The late Brad Bars offer and committment in late January was a little weird. In May, the mystery Canadian offensive tackle totally came out of nowhere. And since then? Another relatively unknown player, after Penn State fanned on Ben Koyack.
Joe Paterno has been ill for a while. We all know this. His unavailability has resulted in many consequences -- cancelling the "Evening With Joe" events across the state, renewed speculation about his health and ability to lead the program, and so on. One drastically underreported problem is the effect his health could be having on recruiting. Not because he doesn't leave Happy Valley to visit recruits (nothing new there), but because he's having difficulty meeting the local demands of the job. Months ago, recruits were complaining that they were told written offers were forthcoming, but Penn State was lazy in actually following through on their promises. Now, with "Evening With Joe" events being cancelled and newspapers asking Graham Spanier for quotes on Joe's health, those recruiters who have been trying in vain for decades to use Paterno's age and health against him finally have some factual support for their assertions. We all know that he's been pining for a championship run in 2011 like the rest of us (though we'll see how the soon-to-be scrambled Big Ten schedule shakes out), but it's time to face the distinct possibility that this really could be Joe Paterno's last season (yes, just like every season).
There may or may not be actual weakness at the top of the chain -- who could know, outside of the Lasch Building? -- but there must certainly be a perceived weakness noted throughout the college football community. Opposing coaches sense it on the recruiting trail. Recruits and their parents can't help noticing their potential head coach struggling to meet simple, glad-handing social engagements. For years, Penn State has overachieved by essentially recruiting with five or six coaches. Paterno and Galen Hall admit to not wanting to leave Happy Valley unless absolutely necessary, others on the staff participate very lightly in recruiting. Meanwhile, the remainder of the coaching staff is busting their butts against all odds. Think about it -- how can a major football program successfully recruit without its head coach and offensive coordinator doing anything? Yet Penn State fought on, landing what most considered to be the best recruiting class in the conference last year. Imagine what a coaching staff operating at full capacity would be able to accomplish, given the program's history, reputation, academic success, and facilities.
Any rational analysis of this season's schedule leads one to believe that the chance of a "lightning in a bottle" season to prop up the recruiting effort will be remote, at best. The way Penn State's targets are drying up, a surprise ten or eleven win season might be too late, anyway. It's not even July and, admittedly, players decommit from other schools every year (see Shawney Kersey, Gerald Hodges, Michael Shaw, Pat Devlin, etc.). Still, it's officially time to be concerned about not only recruiting, but also the future of the program. Confront it with whatever emotion and cocktail you deem appropriate.
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Without any recruits
at least we don’t have to worry about anyone decommitting.
No matter how many teams are in it, I will continue to dislike the Big Ten.
by Illegal Formation on Jun 29, 2010 12:12 PM EDT reply actions
Well, we all knew it was going to happen eventually.
And what’s a kingdom that doesn’t face grave challenges?
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 29, 2010 12:18 PM EDT reply actions
Burger Kingdom?
Got more suits than Jacoby and Meyers.
by Run Up The Score on Jun 29, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I would expect tainted meat and food inspectors to be grave challenges.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 29, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
A Horse, a Horse,
my Kingdom for some horsemeat (with apologies).
by DerryPharmer on Jun 29, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Angelo Mangiro
I just clicked on the “recruits were complaining…” link. If someone named Angelo Mangiro does not commit, then I will officially start freaking out, man.
No matter how many teams are in it, I will continue to dislike the Big Ten.
by Illegal Formation on Jun 29, 2010 12:19 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
There was another story out there...
Maybe it was Mangiro, I don’t know, but LJ Sr told a recruit that his written offer was sent already, while Joe Paterno had not even signed it yet. There’s definitely a disconnect up there right now — an already inefficient system is being further compromised.
Got more suits than Jacoby and Meyers.
by Run Up The Score on Jun 29, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that was Jarrett.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
LOL
I was thinking we need to shorten that up. I’ll add a page break in there. I hate doing it with a post with a poll though because they leave the poll on the front page and it’s hard to see the jump link underneath it.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
Yeah, I was going to put a break in there and just gave up on it.
Got more suits than Jacoby and Meyers.
by Run Up The Score on Jun 29, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that part of the slow start
is due to Penn State being very deliberate with who they are sending offers to (ie taking their time and doing all the research and getting the kids on campus before making the offer), but now I wonder if the health issues are taking their toll as well. I’m betting that lots of other schools are using Joe’s health as a recruiting tactic against us and making these kids think twice. However, I’m betting after 1 big recruit decides for us, several others will take the plunge.
That’s what seems to be missing. Momentum seems to be a bigger and bigger deal each year, with recruits wanting to make an impact right away and wanting to be part of success early on.
What I’m really looking forward to is the tell-all from spanier when he finally retires or whatever. It’s amazing, really, how absolutely in the dark they are able to keep everybody about everything.
For obscurity's sake, people, Evan Hailes needs you.
I was hopeful Savon Huggins would sign with PSU, but Rutgers Al is throwing the kitchen sink.
Saaaaaavon, Saaaaaaaavon….
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 29, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Kid looks good, but I saw somewhere his top priority is starting early.
We’ll be honest with him and tell him we’ve got Green, Redd, and the Bus That Isn’t a Color, plus maybe Beachum, so he’ll have to earn it. Other schools will say “yeah, come start” regardless of the assured redshirt he’ll receive.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
"I want to start early"
is a by-product of the “trophy for everyone” generation
but that is just my opinion
Thank God I'm a "Too Country" Girl
Agree and hate it.
I just facebooked a rant about the Canadian “if you win by 5 or more goals you don’t win” rule in soccer.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
is it, though?
I doubt most of these “I want to start early” kids were the ones receiving the pity trophies. I think it has more to do with the celebrity status of these kids during the recruiting phase where they think they’re ready to go in and win the Heisman, and don’t even stop to consider that they’ll be low man on the totem pole at the next level.
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 30, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
good points
but by “Trophy for Me” is a mindset of the entitled Gen Y’er or Millenials
My company has been doing a ton of research on the younguns for recruiting purposes. They just want everything and they want it now, regardless of skill level or the amount of hard work they have done or are willing to put into something.
I also work with some of these youngsters, and although I love them, they have no qualms about saying “you know what, I don’t think I want to do that” when asked to do something that’s not really sexy or new. When I was starting out in my career, I would never have thought to just say “no” when asked to do something by my boss or other superior.
/get off my lawn?
Thank God I'm a "Too Country" Girl
do these "kids" (they're all adults now) get any sort of punishment for saying no?
I mean…if they get to say no without any negative consequences, and then not have to do any of the dirty work, why wouldn’t they say no. Of course, there’s always the hidden consequence of alienating yourself from everyone else, and essentially being shut out of future opportunities for not being a team player, but since that’s not an immediate response they probably don’t even realize it.
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 30, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Crux of the problem
the Baby Boomer managers are in shock and don’t know what to do (No? Did he say no? No one every said no before. What do I do?). The kids are also offering up technical spins/solutions on everything and I think this is valuable enough (since no one else understands all of it) that it is a trade off. At least in the enviornment I am in now, which is what I am basing my opinion on.
Thank God I'm a "Too Country" Girl
which is why they can get away with it.
reminds me of a friend of mine who cheats on her boyfriend constantly, and he knows about it, but he thinks shes the hottest, smartest, best person in the world so he lets her get away with it, and thinks even with her flaws that he won the lottery. They even got engaged a few months ago. This, of course, does nothing to slow down her negative traits.
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 1, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
There is something to what you're saying
Kids these days grow up never experiencing rejection. They get a trophy just for showing up. They get promoted through school even though they don’t know how to read. They are told they can be whatever they want to be. They are told their opinion is just as valid as anyone else’s, and anyone who doesn’t value your opinion is an intolerant bigot.
So then little Jonny Five-star one day starts looking at colleges. One coach tells him he’s going to have to work his tail off and if he’s lucky he’ll get to see the field his junior year. The kid doesn’t know how to handle that because he’s always been the star and got his way with everything.
Then another coach comes along and tells him he will be the star of the team on day one and promises him everything he wants. This is music to Jonny’s ears.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
and then Jonny shows up to camp
and sees that he’s actually only the 38th most appreciated person on the team
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 30, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
It might be
But I admire the way Penn State has changed their message in recent years. They used to sell Paterno. Now they sell the school. They tell kids don’t come play for Joe Paterno. Come to play for Penn State and everything you see around you.
I think it’s a message that rings with kids. Who can guarantee that Greg Schiano or Dave Wannstedt will be around three years from now? It’s no different anywhere you go.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
I agree about not selling the coach
and if the kid was smart, he would realize that. But these are still kids, and you have guys like Meyer, Kiffin, and RichRod out there selling their snake oil and probably telling kids that Joe is going to kick the bucket in practice the next time he’s showing the kid how to get in a 3 point stance in drills. And since he’s still a kid, I bet he believes it. You’d hope kids would really think these things out, but watching some of the stuff that happens in recruiting, I doubt it.
Oh I agree
You can try to sell the tradition and stable environment, but if the kid is looking for hot girls and an express ticket to the NFL, Penn State isn’t going to sell him that. And I think Penn State is okay with that. They look for a certain type of kid, and they know that their values will not be understood by a lot of people.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
We could probably guarantee Schiano
will be here in 3 years, and it would be more valuable than RU doing the same.
by PSUinBOSSton on Jun 29, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
We saw that a lot with Bowden towards the end, even with a designated HCIW
The day Bobby retired, we were 43th in recruiting. Finished 6th. 37 place improvement in 3 weeks.
Ponder lacks arm strength? Think again.
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That was fascinating, by the way.
It really was amazing to watch all those recruits sign on after Bobby’s fate was sealed.
Got more suits than Jacoby and Meyers.
by Run Up The Score on Jun 29, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps more than anything it showed just how much we were being negatively recruited
Recruits were convinced Fisher was not the HCIW
Ponder lacks arm strength? Think again.
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And who was telling them all that stuff?
There was a time when I used to think coaches were crazy for leaving a power college program for the turmoil of the pros. Now, even with the short attention spans, they have to appreciate getting to leave all the creepy necessities and politicking of being stuck in the college ranks.
JayPa was quoted somewhere talking about how his son is starting to sit in on film studies and whatnot, and he admitted to thinking that it might not be something he wants to encourage. That’s pretty sad, if you think about it.
For obscurity's sake, people, Evan Hailes needs you.
Anyone with an interest. Kiffin (Tenn), Meyer, Chizik, Miles. Clemson was quite bad there last year and we caught recruits saying they were told stuff at Clemson.
The hours these guys pull are insane. But at least Fisher finally got to put in all his stuff that Bowden wouldn’t allow.
The Power structure went like this (it’s insane):
1. Bowden- HC
2. Amato- Linebackers and executive HC
3. Andrews- DC & administrative HC.
4. Fisher- OC & HCIW
So the HCIW did not get to implement the changes he wanted because the #2 (tits Amato) would not allow it, and the #1 deferred to the #2.
Now, we put in the changes, and the team explodes:
Ponder lacks arm strength? Think again.
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by Bud Elliott on Jun 30, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
We’re in for a bad recruiting year. I have come to accept it. But nobody should start nailing the coffin shut on Penn State football just yet. There is loads of young talent already on the team such that the depth chart isn’t very attractive to high school kids right now unless they don’t mind waiting three or four years to play. Combine that with a limited number of scholarships and a down year for talent in the back yard and it’s not going to be pretty.
The team should be really good in 2011 and 2012 if they don’t blow it. Get a Big Ten championship in there with a team with a lot of seniors and PSU will have no problem attracting good talent to fill those vacating roster spots.
Championship caliber teams at Penn State are always a four year project. Year one you get the recruits. Years two and three you develop them. Year four you win. We’re currently in year two.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
What happens to the other scholarships if the coaches only sign a handful of recruits. Do they give them away to existing walk-ons?
No matter how many teams are in it, I will continue to dislike the Big Ten.
by Illegal Formation on Jun 29, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the solution is to encourage our coaches to have more children.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 29, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Quick
Somebody pay for a meal and hotel room so we can send the Suhey’s out on a date!
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
And players. They could start putting a few seniors out to stud at the end of each season.
No matter how many teams are in it, I will continue to dislike the Big Ten.
by Illegal Formation on Jun 29, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
That is the best idea I have ever read.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 29, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
We’re fielding a football team, not taking over the world, man.
Sometimes I write here- www.thegallyblog.com
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Jun 29, 2010 9:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Thank Gawd
ScottPa’s used up his eligibilty, although he is having children.
by DerryPharmer on Jun 29, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
They can
Or they can carry them over to next year. Maybe that’s their strategy. There isn’t much talent worth going after right now, so why not hold some of those scholarships to next year and give a walk on a free ride this year.
But I think you will see them fill up the class. It won’t be very good talent though. Mostly two and three star kids.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
I like the idea of waiting,
but it seems very un-Paterno to let a bunch of scholarships go to waste. Would they then take away scholarships from two-star kids in 2011 to give away to recruits? That seems un-Paterno as well, but hey, it’s a free year of college for a kid.
No matter how many teams are in it, I will continue to dislike the Big Ten.
by Illegal Formation on Jun 29, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
No
Like I said above, it’s a four year process with Joe Paterno. Year one you get the talent with a huge recruiting class. That was last year. Year two and three you build them up. Year four you win.
The past two recruiting classes were phase one: getting the talent. We’ve got loads of talent right now, but it’s raw talent. We’re in phase II right now, building them up. During this phase you see small recruiting classes. In the next phase, which will probably start midway through the 2011 season, they win. Then in 2012 as you are hopefully winning big, the kids you are recruiting are seeing all that senior talent walking out the door opening up the depth chart for them. And the process starts all over again.
This is how Paterno has done it for decades.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
I think its a 3 star year with limited scholarships
All you have to do is look at the depth chart. PSU is very young and talented and that does not bode well for upper level prima donnas that want to start now. The absolute best talent will not be deterred by talent but there are a lot of guys that will shy away and listen to false promises if they think they will have to wait 3 or 4 years to get on the field.
Are we in for a bad year
or just not a stellar year like last year? I mean, we had 4 and 5 star kids throwing themselves at us last year, seemingly committing just about every other week over the summer. The year before we had so many scholarships that we could offer everybody and then had some late guys decommit and join us. Holding this class up to those two years, it will probably look bad, but will it be a bad class in general? It’s a long ways until Feb, so I’m not going to call it dead just yet, though right now it seems like we are in a deep coma. All I know is that this would have probably been a good year to let my subscription to Fight On State lapse and not have to look at that train wreck.
Look at our depth chart
We’re loaded with freshmen and sophomores. The 4 and 5 star kids want to play right away. Penn State never offers that, but kids can see the depth chart and figure their odds.
Personally, I think this is going to be a horrible recruiting year. Everything is pointing toward it. But I’m not worried because it’s a small class and there is enough talent on the roster to win over the next few years. If they perform well, there will be banner recruiting classes in the future.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
Saw that a
certain maple street press mag is due to ship out in July so I put in my pre-order. Did I miss the official announcement or did I just scoop you?
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
I like to keep my area clean, no
dishonor in that.
I was in OBX during the official announcement and obviously missed it. A quick look at recent posts and didn’t see anything. When I saw Linebacker-U self gradulation about their authorships I wondered what was going on around here.
I thank my fellow BSDers for not failing me. I just figured out my scroll bar does indeed go the whole way down.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
Have you heard there’s an oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico? They say it shouldn’t be a big deal.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
He's probably still untangling
His ghanaian kente cloth from his ethnic bbq this weekend.
Crack is wac
I'm more of a
tribesman and don’t put much faith in the modern borders.
Go Maasai!! I see the thieves at Sketchers are trying to steal our supercool shoe technology too.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
I got mine already, it looks good.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
When does this ship out and when will it be in stores?
I plan on getting one for myself and getting another as a gift for a friend. Spreading the PSU love.
Too bad HOCKEYBEAR can’t swim.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 29, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
^^This is how I see it
PSU puts together one or two small, weak-by-the-numbers classes every 5 years. I really don’t view that as a problem. PSU will have a championship-caliber team in 2011-2012, thanks to the amount of young talent already on the roster. A light recruiting year will not undo that.
Also, Penn State didn’t have spring camps for high schoolers this year. That means players are going to be getting on board here later than at other schools. So, a weak class at this stage of the game is to be expected. Whether or not we reap the rewards of individualized attention later in the game remains to be seen. This seems like a questionable strategy with the recruiting game moving earlier and earlier, but I’ll trust the coaches. I imagine it will certainly work to their advantage if the pre-July 1st restriction on scholarship offers is made official.
As for Joe’s health: it doesn’t concern me at all that he chose not to push it in order to go to the “evening with Joe” events. I think the events were handled poorly, resulting in more bad press than was necessary. And honestly, if he’s going to get sick like he did, you couldn’t pick a better time than May and June. Still, the fact that Joe remained sick for months rather than days or weeks is a troubling reminder of his age. If he can stay healthy from August until January, I wouldn’t care if he had to be cryo-frozen for May, June and July. But, if a bug like this hits in the middle of the season, we could have a problem.
by newenglandnittanylion on Jun 29, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Recruiting is a used-car salesmen’s dream. You get to lie, patronize, and bullsh. your way to success. Pete Carroll’s tweets from last season were cringe worthy OMG YOUNG JEEZY JUST BLEW MY MIND LOL. Urban Meyer gives kids sermons about how God talks to him and God said come to Florida. But if you want that 5-star prima dona you’re going to need your head coach to do those very things.
So while I responded “i’m freaking out man” I really don’t care if this class is full of 2-star leftovers. Give me a class full of Clarks, Roysters, and Butlers to push that 2009 class to earn their lofty star rating.
Do you want the mustache on, or off?
Too bad.
Check out this class
Paul Posluszny – 4 stars
Tony Hunt, Rodney Kinlaw, John Shaw, Terrell Golden – 3 stars
The rest of the class included Austin Scott, Joel Holler, Jonathan Jackson, Dan Mazan, Brent Wise and Amani Purcell for a total of eleven according to Fight on State
That’s the only five solid contributors from 2003 recruiting class sandwiched between two very solid recruiting years. These guys were in the middle of pulling the program out of the dark years and I don’t think one small/poor class does not necessarily mean your beginning a downward spiral.
The current roster is loaded with more talent than at any other time during the decade and I’m guessing that potential playing time may be impacting this class. I’ll wait until next year to panic.
Exactly
If PSU pulls in two or three poor recruiting classes in a row, start worrying.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
Was that the cause..
for the dark years?
Never mistake effort for achievement.
Ah, beer, my one weakness. My Achille's heel, if you will. - HJS
by Esteban d' Amur on Jun 29, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
We had a fantastic run of above-average to good teams in the late 90’s, lots of 10 win seasons. The coaches got lazy recruiting, the offensive system got stale, and we had trouble bringing in the talent we needed. I think leaving the east to be in the B10 made recruiting our own backyard more challenging. Then once we crossed that threshold, it’s hard to get better without recruiting good talent, but it’s hard to recruit good talent when you’re no good.
Also, I’m of the belief that Sandusky leaving had a huge impact on the program.
Do you want the mustache on, or off?
Too bad.
When did Big Red take over?
Wasn’t Jay in charge at some point?
No matter how many teams are in it, I will continue to dislike the Big Ten.
by Illegal Formation on Jun 29, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Jay was on the staff during the dark years, he took over QB’s in 1999 based on wiki… I believe he was an assistant before that too. Big Red was 2003, so the tail end of things, and Galen Hall really engineered 2005’s offensive system.
Maybe it was all coaching turnover. We brought in 6 out of 11 coaches between 1999 and 2003. 7 if you include Galen in there in 2004. That’s a lot of turnover for a program basically run by the coordinators.
Do you want the mustache on, or off?
Too bad.
I meant specifically for recruiting. I thought Jay had McQueary’s role at some point.
No matter how many teams are in it, I will continue to dislike the Big Ten.
by Illegal Formation on Jun 29, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Should have kept z-ing.
No matter how many teams are in it, I will continue to dislike the Big Ten.
by Illegal Formation on Jun 29, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure of the dates, but Jay was THE recruting coordinator.
Not sure if it started with the Derrick Williams-Justin King class or the year before, but that’s when Big Red took over recruiting.
6 DA6YS 20 HOURS 29 MINUTES 32 SECONDS UNTIL KICKOFF!!!!!
Let me just drop this here, you will all thank me later
Do you want the mustache on, or off?
Too bad.
you're welcome
Ab4PSU left a bold tag open in his post and all the text below that post was all bolded. it was ugly man, ugly.
Do you want the mustache on, or off?
Too bad.
I appreciate the effort.
But I don’t know if you stopped the bleading?
by PSUinBOSSton on Jun 29, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think size matters - TWSS
I went back as far as the 2000 class on FOS and I believe it was more a quality problem not quantity. I think we also suffered through some serious growing pains with Jay on offense and to a lesser extent, Sanduskey’s retirement on defense.
I have a long ass post I’ve been sitting on looking at recruit ratings vs. actual performance. I’ve been putting it off because it’s a bitch to format. I’ll try to get it up soon.
by Frank O'Brien on Jun 29, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
This is just too good.....
“I don’t think size matters – TWSS”
“I’ll try to get it up soon”
Ever see a battleship Johnny?
by F G Dreadnought on Jun 29, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Big part of it
There was a certain coach’s son in charge as recruiting coordinator in the late 90’s. The team wasn’t very good over a five year span to start the decade. You can do the math there.
But there was also more to it. The offense was stale which made it hard to recruit decent talent. Bringing in Galen Hall to teach the spread was huge there. The other big addition was adding Guido to liven up the game day experience and accentuate the positive things Penn State had to offer.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
One of those classes, maybe 2000...
…was the highest rated class in the nation by people who did that sort of rankings back then. And most of the guys were flops.
Got more suits than Jacoby and Meyers.
by Run Up The Score on Jun 29, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Like Kinta Palmer?
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by ReadingRambler on Jun 29, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope
Guido’s fixes might be annoying to the fans and alumni, but I think it has really helped recruiting.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
He's doing his job.
Sometimes he swings and misses, but that’s bound to happen.
Got more suits than Jacoby and Meyers.
by Run Up The Score on Jun 29, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET Joe Paterno!
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by ReadingRambler on Jun 29, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
That's the question bugging me.
Jay’s been the voice and face of the spread HD. Has he improved as a coach or has he simply learned to go along with Hall instead of fighting with Fran Ganter?
by Frank O'Brien on Jun 29, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem is
we shouldn’t be pulling in any bad classes coming off the two seasons we just had.
"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"
We don't recruit in a vacuum
There are other forces pushing and pulling on these kids. All of the stars want to play right away. Penn State’s depth chart doesn’t lend to that with two big classes the past two years. The talent level is down in PA this year, and to the staff’s credit they don’t want to settle for a class full of two star kids. Ohio State and Pitt are recruiting very well this year which is creating excitement among high school kids. Penn State may have more to offer than Pitt, but when your friends you have been playing with and talking to for years say they’re going to Pitt, it makes it a tough choice.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
But the staff is settling for 2-star kids.
Our only commit and several recent offers corroborate this.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
I'm sure if they were settling there would be more than just one 2-star kid already on board.
by Frank O'Brien on Jun 29, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
No, but again...
The recent trend corroborates. The last 3 kids I can think of I heard to get offers were the TE we got, a 3-star LB in Ohio (he runs a sub-5.0 40. really – can’t we get 4/5*s?) and a 2-star safety. I don’t have exact dates, but several lower-end 3-stars immediately preceded that bout.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Well yes
I’ll go ahead and say it. We’re moving on to the Plan B kids. But plan B is better than Plan C, which is basically holding tryouts on campus for walk ons.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
What's it feel like
to put concentration into clarifying and watch your carefully constructed words fall victim to misapplied or generally ignored reaction?
/is familiar with the phenomenon
It would have been better if you had added something about subjunctives.
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by ReadingRambler on Jun 29, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Curious LSU fan--and overall college football fan
Run up the Score mentioned recruiting was down this year in Pennsylvania and I have seen Jim Delany’s comments about population shift going south and part of an article from Ivan Maisel, “The best teams are found where the best players are raised. The 2010 ESPNU ranking of the top 150 high school players included 28 from Florida, 24 from Texas and 18 each from California and Georgia. Michigan had five, Pennsylvania four. Ohio, home of The Ohio State University and home of famed high schools such as Massillon and Moeller, had two.” Population is certainly on the rise in parts of the south—Fl up to 17 mill, Tx up to 24, and
Georgia up to 10 mill, but the populations of Ohio and Pennsylvania are still around 12 mill respectively. It is Friday night lights from Texas to South Carolina and then down through Florida; my perception has always been that it is the same in Pennsylvania and Ohio. When I looked up ESPN 150 numbers by state the last three years, Louisiana—4.5 mill and on the decline recently and South Carolina—about 4.5 mill had 38 total 150 players and Pennsylvania and Ohio had 23. I was surprised by the numbers, because of my perception—it is still firmly entrechned despite the numbers; I still think of a glut of great linebackers and running backs coming out of high schools in Pittsburgh—but has there been a change in the culture?
2011 ESPNU has 40 from Florida.
Florida–40
Georgia–18
Louisiana–7
South Carolina–4
Alabama–5
California–11
Texas–20
Note: Ohio was given four selections this time.
That’s 58 players from Florida and Georgia vs. 31 from California and Texas. Four Southern states–Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Louisiana and South Carolina–comprise half the 150 total despite having a combined population of 43 million. Furthermore, Louisiana and South Carolina (combined population: 9 million), have the same number of selectees as California (population: 37 million).
HP
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Take the ratings for what they're worth
I ran some quick numbers from the starters for the Citrus Bowl from Scout since ESPN ratings don’t cover everyone
LSU Offense starters average 4.00 stars
Defense: 3.64 stars
PSU Offense: 3.27 stars
Defense: 3.45
As you can clearly see LSU’s talent level was substantially superior.
by Frank O'Brien on Jun 29, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Les Miles 0 stars
Joe Pa in the Box 2 stars
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Bud Elliot, from Florida St., why are you bringing this up?
I did not bring up Joe Pa. He is a legend who has won 2 national titles and 394 games over a 44 year head coaching career. The poeple on this blog know this well anyway; they know how to treat a legand also. Les Miles has 1 national championships: this should give him 1 star at the very least.
If you paid attention to what Les is doing at LSU, you'd agree. He won it with Saban's guys and coaches.
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by Bud Elliott on Jun 30, 2010 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
It still counts
The pressure is on him I know, but (8-5) followed by (9-3) is not exactly hitting rock bottom. I’ve seen what rock bottom looks like over here—Archer, Dinardo, Hallman. He recruits very well on his own; You might have a point with Crowton though. We will just to have to wait and see how things turn out. But, your guy has not coached one game yet. Maybe you should wait and see how things turn out for Fischer before you start rating other people coaches. If 8 or 9 wins is getting on a hot seat, Fisher better come out smoking—tough schedule also(nc:Olk, BYU, Fla). The recruiting is coming on strong for sure.
BYU is the 7th best team FSU plays this year
and people in Tallahassee realize it is a process.
In the SEC, with the kind of money LSU has, and the talent base in a state all to himself, losing 7 games in 2 years is not going to cut it. Particularly this year when they are picked to finish 4th in the west by many.
LSU reminds me a lot of FSU in the middle part of the decade. LSU has a lot of talent that they are squandering, like we did. They are weak along the lines, like we were (their top OL was recently given a grade of "undraftable!"). They are not recruiting well along the lines the last 2 years compared to how they did under Saban. They have no offensive identity. They can’t run the ball even pounding it at people much anymore. They have incredible athletes who can pull out a win any time you don’t expect it (like we could).
I could go on, but I think you get the point (or will).
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LSU will play the games and I will be fine with the results
For you, we should not even play the season at all. I am an LSU fan rain or shine and have seen darker days than 7 losses in two years. But, how long will it take for the process to be realized in Tallahassee? I mean your talking like you all have it figured out—things were not so great last year. Your coach has never coached a game yet. Expectations are just as high in Tallahassee as they are in Baton Rouge—I personally think the expectations have gotten to a ridiculous level. But, in three years—maybe two if you do not do so well— 8 or 9 wins will not cut it for Florida St. either. A national championship may be required, so will your program be on that level? How many will you win this year? BYU is win already?
Yes BYU is a win already
FSU dropped 50+ on them last year in their house.
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How many wins for FSU this year?
Will Jimbo be winning 11+ games by year three and at least 10 games a year after that? Will he have his team in a national title game by year 3? These are the standards—because of Meyer and Saban—most people seem to be placing on their coaches these days—again unfairly. But, since you seem to know the future, please give answers. You may be dead on—but we need the answers to know.
I think FSU fans realize we don’t have anywhere near the resources of those schools. FSU needs to win 8-9 this year (not counting bowl game).
We also have to fix our schedule. UF & 3 cupcakes. Like Temple.
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you don't have anywhere near the resources of those schools?
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 1, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Not even close
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In that game they didn't mean that much
You were the better team and deserved to win; I was just curious about high school football in Pennsylvania. Again I was surprised by the low numbers the last couple of years.
Yeah, I think you're seeing some population shift issues.
But Pittsburgh I know has leveled off (I think we lost 470 people last year, it was in the paper) and we (Penn State at least) recruit well in Maryland, New Jersey and New England. It’s not Florida, but I think you’ve seen the worst of the population trends pass, we’re nowhere near where we were in the 1970’s, but for the most part, it’s not still getting worse.
We’re hoping that peak oil makes air conditioners too expensive to run, and a massive shift north to more temperate climates. Then where will you be?
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
um
I have a feeling, if anything peak oil would push the population south (many heaters running off of it, and all)
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 30, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
We have more natural gas than they do. I mean, unless you want to go offshore and apparently if you go too far offshore you’ll end up like so:
Hey! You spilled corrupt corporate greed on my bureaucratically obsessed governmental incompetence!
Nuh uh! You spilled bureaucratically obsessed governmental incompetence on my corrupt corporate greed!
Also, we have lots of sludge piles in PGH area for burning.
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by ReadingRambler on Jun 30, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Well you can burn wood.
It’s no secret that the southward population shift is based largely around air conditioning making it less oppressive to live in the heat. All things being equal, Southern Pennsylvania and Maryland have pretty temperate climates. Never too, too hot, nor too, too cold.
Although I admit that peak oil leads us closer to Thunderdome, than I’ll move back to Pittsburgh.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
Define too hot. Are you from Las Vegas?
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by ReadingRambler on Jun 30, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
-1
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jul 1, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
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"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jul 1, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jul 1, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
The 2003 recruiting class
was the smallest of the decade for any NCAA program—eleven players. The 2008 class had fourteen players.
I don’t know what’s going on, but I’ll try to remain optimistic. Maybe I’ll speculate: JoePa is planning to retire in 2010, so he’s leaving the cupboard open for the new coach in 2011.
Doubtful
Since he just negotiated for a 3 year contract last year. Also, the people running recruiting are the ones who will be coaching when Joe steps down/keels over, so I can’t imagine they’d leave the cupboard bare for themselves.
by newenglandnittanylion on Jun 29, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Hakuna Matata
I’m not worried at all. Is this a perfect class? No, but it’ll be fine when its all said and done. PA is crap for talent this year. Koyack never had a chance to come to PSU. Also, from what I hear, we have cooled on both Caputo and Chestnut, and aren’t recruiting them hard. It does suck that we lost Wright, but it happens. Plenty of talented kids still out there.
Maybe, when we beat Alabama, and Pitt starts the season by losing 2 out of 4 games, and Wright and others see their half empty stadium, some decommits will be heading our way. Even if that doesn’t happen, we’ll still be fine.
And yes, JoePa’s health is hurting our recruiting. We are being negatively recruited against hard; Joe is old and he is sick, and that scares the crap out of 17 year olds. I love Joe, but a part of me hopes he retires after he gets 400 wins.
It's coaching, stupid.
Call me crazy, but I have faith that the coaches will, as often happens, turn three-star recruits into five-star caliber players.
In other news, Rick Reilly finally made me chuckle. From his search for the world’s dumbest sports, one of his readers wrote and he replied:
“Growing up in Iowa, we played this game of driver vs. passenger where we would drive down the road and yell “Hey Cow” out the window at any animal on your side of the road. If it was a cow, one point for each head that turned towards the sound. Horses are a bit smarter so you get five points. Ten points for a farmer. Minus one for each sheep. They’re dumb. If one turns its head, they all do. Lots of fun to play when I brought home city kids on break during college. We definitely look like fools when playing.
— Jason Gardner (Indianapolis, Ind.)
How many points for a Hawkeyes fan?"
How many points for a groundhog (Lots of groundhogs in PA, I think I saw one near a shopping mall)? I’d say at least a seven.
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by ReadingRambler on Jun 29, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Time to start worrying
With Joe in bad shape, read the Post Gazzette article today where a player on the team (Think a Tight End) says he hasn’t seen Joe since May, it’s time to really worry.
Listen, the guy is old. I love Joe, I love Penn State, but I’m trying to accept the fact that when people get old certain injuries/bugs/illnesses can stack up. First it’s the flu and the immune system weakens and then you catch something else and you’re battling all that and it just gets worse and then you eventually are that old guy in the la-z-boy watching Matlock with an afghan on you.
I hope and pray that it’s not that time yet, I want to see Joe win one more NC. I want to actually remember a NC (selfish I know). But statistically things aren’t looking good. He’s missing fundraisers, players haven’t seen him, confusion with signed offers (read above), all of this means things are bad.
And what if the following happens? Joe is really ill and in his deathbed has one final wish, PSU Nation of course must grant the request no matter how odd. Joe then demands the team be turned over to Jay Paterno….could you imagine how bad it would go?
Look at the grade A Mongolian cluster he did with recruiting in the late 90s. Heck you can blame Jay for Chad Henne not going to PSU and PSU being stuck with Morelli.
Time to look up at the sky falling, I’ll be wearing my chicken little hat
Yes! I should have formed a betting league or something for this, because I would have won!
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by ReadingRambler on Jun 29, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, but you'd have to bet $100 to win $1 back.
Got more suits than Jacoby and Meyers.
by Run Up The Score on Jun 29, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I am not 100% sure,
but I’m 99 44/100% (remember the old soap commercial?) that Jay will NOT be the next head coach.
66 DAYS 20 HOURS 17 MINUTES 24 SECONDS UNTIL KICKOFF!!!!!
I agree with Mike.
I think we were due to have an off year due to the roster being stacked right now. Kids want to play right away. With 16-17-18 year old kids being interviewed on ESPN, kids signing their letters of intent at lavish press conferences, these me-first little bastards of today don’t want to wait 2 or 3 years to play, which is what would happen with us this year because we should be loaded if these recruits pan out.
Maybe Joe is bad sick. Then again, Joe is getting old and crotchety enough to maybe just be saying “You know, I don’t feel like going to King of Prussia, PA or Hershey,PA or Pittsburgh to speak to a bunch of people I don’t know. I’m not going. You deal with it.” And the university is saying it’s a “stomach bug” something irrelevant and generic that’s not life threatening. It’s a little more politically correct to say he doesn’t feel well, as opposed to saying “He ain’t in the mood for you today.” Just a thought. Because if he was really possibly bad sick, don’t you think ESPN would be up there camped out trying to get a story?
A lot to unpack there.
Like it or not, 75% of the recruits are going to be “me-first little bastards”. It’s almost impossible for them not to be — the entire process consists of millionaire coaches who are on national TV every weekend, begging the recruits to join their little fraternity. The very best recruits get harassed by Scout and Rivals reps, local newspaper reporters, coaches, assistant coaches, etc. Even the most level-headed kid could fall prey to that sort of nonstop attention. Sadly, there’s no real alternative that also consists of (1) winning (2) in a major football conference. You gotta play the game, and the game includes the head coach taking on a significant portion of the duties and showering attention upon recruits. If Joe Paterno won’t do it, someone else will.
As for the “Evening With Joe” stuff, it’s a bit of a Choose Your Own Adventure deal…but I think he’s sick. If he’s not, and just doesn’t feel like doing the events, he needs to be on TV somewhere telling the world that he’s healthy and ready to roll. Otherwise, they’ve left the door open for all this speculation by you, me, recruits, media, etc.
Got more suits than Jacoby and Meyers.
by Run Up The Score on Jun 29, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Were you
a Me First Little Bastard when you were all-conference punter?
Or, did SweepTheLeg put an end to that but quick?
Crack is wac
At that point STL was busy smoking doobies in a van down by the river.
I did used to get fun, bright orange envelopes from Princeton’s football program. They were awesome and made me feel like I was actually good at something.
I wasn’t a terrible TE or LB, but when we combined high schools there were too many talented players on the team. The guys ahead of me went to a variety of 1-AA schools, so I didn’t feel too bad.
(Actually, I was a terrible linebacker. I couldn’t tackle a sack of potatoes. Never been able to do it. But I could block fairly well and catch a snowflake in a wind tunnel. And I was freakin’ Orlando Pace in PSU and law school IM games.)
Got more suits than Jacoby and Meyers.
by Run Up The Score on Jun 29, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, one of my HS coaches like to say, "a slow tight end is a quick tackle."
Got more suits than Jacoby and Meyers.
by Run Up The Score on Jun 29, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
You learn something new about RUTS every day...
I thought Junny was our most senior lawyer.
Any bar advice? I’m 29 days from it…
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
turning 21?
Just squeeze the lime or lemon into the drink. Those bartenders usually aren’t the most hygene consious people before they slice up the fruit. Get it the heck out of the vodka.
I know, it was just a good opportunity for the pic which I find hilarious.
Do you want the mustache on, or off?
Too bad.
I'm glad you said it.
Because it was embarrassing how much I laughed.
by PSUinBOSSton on Jun 30, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
this dog is AWESOME.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Relax...
Especially the day before. I read the last Harry Potter book the day before I sat for the bar exam. Relaxed me and helped clear my mind.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
Ah, beer, my one weakness. My Achille's heel, if you will. - HJS
by Esteban d' Amur on Jun 30, 2010 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Study. Furiously.
Months later, you’ll wonder how you did it.
(Years later, you’ll wonder why you did it.)
Got more suits than Jacoby and Meyers.
by Run Up The Score on Jun 30, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought I was our most senior lawyer
Although I’m pretty certain it’s close between RUTS and I.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
We're the same age, I think.
27, right?
(What? No? 34-35ish? Meh.)
Got more suits than Jacoby and Meyers.
by Run Up The Score on Jun 30, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Well we can settle this pretty easy
I’m 91317.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
Ahem
I think I am in the conversation here. I graduated law school in ’02.
by Nittany Lawyer on Jul 1, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Quick
Somebody photoshop the BSD lawfirm letterhead.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
I have a slogan all ready for you guys:
“If we don’t win…well, it’s probably because we were breaking down the second string O-linemen on BSD”
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 1, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Would we be able to use "tricky security" at the Courthouse
as an excuse for being late to Court? Or better, “Sorry your Honor, I needed to pound a few more more cocktails before I got in here, I mean, we wouldn’t want my buzz to wear off would we…”
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
“If we don’t win…well, it’s probably because we hijacked a thread about the quarterbacks and posted funny pictures and laughed a troll for an hour.”
Fixed.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jul 1, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
"laughed at a troll for a day"
we don’t wanna perjure ourselves, now would we?
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 2, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
And honestly, think about my reaction to those stupid orange envelopes.
Someone out there cared enough to send it. That meant a lot to be at 17 years old, before I grew up and hated nearly every piece of mail that showed up in the mailbox. And I was just some scrub who could occasionally punt a football a long way. When I was looking at law schools, some uninterested student gave me the tour at Pitt, while the dean showed me around at Duquesne. Pitt is the better school (jesse. is smiling somewhere). I got into both, but went to Duquesne.
Good choice? I mean, probably not. But the point is, personal attention matters, and that’s what football recruiting is all about.
Got more suits than Jacoby and Meyers.
by Run Up The Score on Jun 29, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
^this..
Never mistake effort for achievement.
Ah, beer, my one weakness. My Achille's heel, if you will. - HJS
by Esteban d' Amur on Jun 29, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
that's partly why I'm at MSU
some schools were too cold and business like. On the other hand, there were some that came off as a little too desperate, as well.
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 30, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Please give us the scoop, Derry.
We’re counting on your inside information. Do I take it to mean that Joe is all better now and just doesn’t want to travel?
For the glory
I do know that.....
he is really not “down” with the travelling to dinners and such; however, it does concern me about some of the cases, in that he just doesn’t want to do it anymore….he’s given that “same talk” and has jousted with the Press for 60 years. I really sense that he is tired of that part of the equation. Will report more if and when available and if relevant.
by DerryPharmer on Jun 30, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I can live with “tired”. Save your energy for the season Joe! But if he is really sick, I am scared. I love him and want him to live forever. I already lost my Dad (too soon) and Grandpa :(
Thank God I'm a "Too Country" Girl
Regarding JoePa, I really don’t know how I’ll react when he I don’t even want to write the word.
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by ReadingRambler on Jun 30, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions

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