Change: It's Coming, and I Like It
Somebody should hand Big XII Commissioner Dan Beebe a copy of Who Moved My Cheese. Because someone is about to turn his cheese into a giant cheese sandwich and walk out the door with it.
Last week the story broke that the Pac-10 was looking at inviting Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Colorado. Now today we hear about Beebe issuing an ultimatum to Nebraska and Missouri to "make a decision" by 5 PM on Friday.
It's kind of curious that the Big XII would give the Huskers and Tigers an ultimatum now. There's no evidence that the two schools even have an invitation at this time. Or do they? It wasn't too long ago that Delany had this to say. (emphasis added)
When a decision does come, roughly in the 12- to 18-month time frame the conference outlined in December 2009, Delany clarified the circumstances under which he would first notify a commissioner of a potentially affected conference.
"It will be before there's an announcement, but it will not be when we're in the process of gathering information," he said, adding, "Prior to the time membership is offered or applied for, I'll give someone a heads-up; they will know it before you will know it."
Do you suppose Delany gave Beebe a call this week? The dominoes are starting to fall. It sounds like the PAC-10 is not going to sit around and wait for leftovers. Delany may feel like he has to play his hand now before things start going down. That's the only reason I see for this ultimatum from Beebe.
Hang on, folks. Things are going to start getting interesting. I would put the chances of the PAC-10 stealing half of the Big XII at 50/50. Ultimately it will boil down to whatever Texas wants to do. I think the other schools will follow them, and if the PAC-10, or PAC-16, or Big XVI or whatever it becomes features two divisions of eight teams where the former Big XII schools mostly play each other in the same division I think it's pretty attractive. And a possible Big XVI Channel to rival the Big Ten channel would look pretty attractive too as it would stretch from Texas to California gobbling up some major markets.
Ultimately, I think we are witnessing the beginning of four super conferences with 16 teams each. I think the PAC-10 and half the Big XII will merge to form a Big XVI. The BIg Ten will take Nebraska and Missouri and then turn toward going after Rutgers, Syracuse, and Notre Dame (or possibly Pitt if the Irish are stubborn).I think the SEC will go after Florida State, Miami, and Virginia Tech. Then they'll take either Kansas or Kansas State from what's left of the SEC. The remnants of the ACC and Big East will merge together to form a mega basketball conference.
Now, once there are four super conferences in place, what do you think will happen next? How long do you think these guys will keep wanting to play nice with the BCS letting them pocket all that money and giving them the scraps? The next step will be a college football playoff system. Each conference champion will be part of a four team playoff. Down the road you may see them expand to six or eight teams to get some wildcard teams in there, but if you think about it, the conference championship games will kind of be a part of the playoff meaning there will really be eight teams in the playoff.
This is why Notre Dame will have to join the Big Ten. The BCS is going to crumble and die, and along with it Notre Dame's million dollar payout for sitting at home and watching every year. The super conferences aren't going to give them a cut of anything, and there will be no way for Notre Dame to muscle their way in. If the Irish want to be a part of the future of college football, they are going to have to ditch their independence and tradition.
The times, they are a' changin'.
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I agree: Texas bolts for the Pac-16. The Orangebloods blogger makes a good point that it allows Texas to maintain some of its rivalries w/ OU and others. The Big Ten money is attractive, but maybe not as much as we thought: with an upcoming TV contract to negotiate, the Pac-16 could make Texas similarly rich as if it were in the Big Ten (though not filthy rich as if they had an independent network within the Big XII…too bad, Longhorns).
The ultimate fly in the ointment for the Big Ten is Texas Tech. WIthout Tech, perhaps Texas could have been poached along with A&M
It’s nice to see expansion finally taking traction…should make the offseason go a little quicker!
The have-nots...
Forgotten in your description is that the vast majority of revenues are football-generated. The super basketball conference of ACC and Big East remnants will remain significantly behind in finances. What’s going to be the fall-out of this? The Big Ten should try to snag MD to hook into the DC market.
It'll be interesting
If Pitt stays in what’s left of the Big East/ACC, they will probably make the playoff every other year.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Jun 6, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
but as I think about it...
Each of these conferences will be so large that I can’t imagine any tv provider who would not have to include all 4 conferences TV networks in their basic plans. This may simply lead to a rebalance, with a play-off system as you mentioned, and much more money to the schools. The 8 team wild card play-off scenario you described sounds like a great idea.
The wildcard
Now that I think about it, the wildcard may not be a good idea. Who are you going to take? The losers of the conference championship games?
Think of it as an eight team playoff where the first round is the conference championship games. I would be thrilled with this. Where it’s going to suck is when you have two teams in the same division tied at 6-1. Or three teams tied at 5-2. Then who gets left out is going to get dicey. Tie breakers are going to be heavily scrutinized, so a lot of thought should go into them and not go with the Big XII’s “highest ranking in the BCS” solution that caused the huge controversy a couple years ago.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Jun 6, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
many choices though ultimately someone will feel left out
Imagine an undefeated team that loses in it’s conference championship game. It would be no different than losing your conference crown in hoops and then winning the NCAA championship. But I see your point. Treating the conference champinships as a national quarterfinal would make it more interesting. Would the bowls be incorporated in this, be abolished or just take the left-overs? Why would the conferences choose to share $$ with bowl commitees? Another point that could be renegotiated is playing the game at the home of the higher seed like in the NFL. FINALLY A CHANCE TO SEE OMG SEC SPEED IN THE NORTH IN LATE DECEMBER OR JANUARY! This alone makes it all worthwhile.
That was the 7th tiebreaker
And really, I think it’s better than any of the other last-ditch tiebreakers in use (the SEC’s in particular is bizarre – eliminate the lowest team and then go head-to-head? that means the team with the biggest win will probably knock the team they beat down to the bottom, then lose the tiebreaker!). But there are better ones that weren’t used: record of other-division opponents, head-to-head scoring margin among the tied teams, and probably others.
The problem is this statement
Ultimately it will boil down to whatever Texas wants to do.
This boils down way too much. The Texas state legislature isn’t going to let Texas go without that conference also taking Texas Tech, Texas A&M, and Baylor. This price is way too high for any conference, and this whole accelerated process is going to come to a screeching halt.
I agree
The legislature just cares that Texas, A&M and Tech stay together. The little two will follow Texas’s lead. The rest of them (OK, OK St, and Colorado) won’t want to get left behind. If those six teams can stick together they can form a good nucleus for an eastern division and keep playing each other. They will lose Nebraska and Missouri, but they can peel off Arizona and Arizona State and make a nice Eastern Division. I’m sure they will all talk about it and reach a mutual decision. Whatever happens they will have to stick together.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Jun 6, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
There's actually a Dr. Saturday article
That says the little two is now a little three with Baylor riding along too. They’re trying to force Baylor in at the expense of Colorado, which certainly would sour the deal for the Pac-10.
That was weird
how we posted that at the same time.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jun 6, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh, oh. The Texas State Legislature
could do it again. I would actually see this as a good thing for the Big Ten, because it could potentially sour the deal for the Pac 10 and give the Big Ten a bit more time.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jun 6, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
okay, I have to ask
why is the Texas State Legislature involved with this?
by Mr. Rosewater on Jun 6, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Three of the four schools involved are Texas state schools
Next?
Politics always seems to come up with major conference realignment. Virginia politics got Virginia Tech into the ACC instead of Syracuse; Texas politics got Texas Tech and Baylor (especially Baylor) into the Big 12 to begin with (the Big 8 really only wanted Texas and Texas A&M).
going to be interesting to see
how California and Texas will coexist in the same conference
by Mr. Rosewater on Jun 6, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
They are all State schools
The legislature doesn’t want one or two of them to suffer. They can threaten to withold funding from Texas if they bolt without the other three.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Jun 6, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought Baylor was private
Being a (nominally) Baptist school and whatnot. But I know I could be wrong.
Let's Go State!
I might be
The point is the Texas legislature does not want them getting ditched and suffering. If Baylor has to rely on their own means to fund their athletic program they’re dead.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Jun 6, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I read years ago
that the only reason Baylor was included in the Big 8 expansion instead of the other former SWC like TCU or Houston was because the governor of Texas at the time (Ann Richards) was a Baylor alumni and strong-armed the other schools into bringing Baylor along with them.
This is correct.
She’s dead now, though. (per ESPN).
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
But, the Gov. of TX
is now a Texas Tech alum.
We are gonna shock them with 5,000 mega watts of raw ROO POWER.
Shit.
Definitely gonna throw a wrench in the gears.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Which means
Texas to the Big Ten is definitely dead. I could see them taking A&M to appease the Texans but not Tech or Baylor.
by HawkeyeInExile on Jun 6, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Especially not Tech
No way a tier 3 school gets in
Perry went to A&M
/semantics’d
"I want your money, but I don't want your two cents." - JVP
by ReadingRambler on Jun 6, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
My fault.
I knew it was a school that wasn’t UT-A though.
We are gonna shock them with 5,000 mega watts of raw ROO POWER.
Or UT-SA
Go Roadrunners…
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jun 7, 2010 4:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Delaney's supposed to be talking now
Rittenberg’s in the room waiting for him to go… ESPN may or may not be showing it
I really wouldn't be surprised to see all of this end with
b10 and p10 getting to 12 teams and a championship game. There are so many moving parts here, I just don’t know how everyone is going to jump right to the mega conferences. If b10 can scare in ND, and p10 can scare in Colorado and get Utah, I think that both conferences would call it a day. Then Texas can have their TV network and still be in the b12, and the b12 needs to find 1 replacement.
But that's boring, and won't give us anything more to talk about once it's done.
Boooooooooo.
\ not impossible though… too much reason for me
\ though, I highly doubt Notre Dame comes without a playoff… and I don’t think 12 team conferences will bring a playoff
Agreed
You will need four super conferences to push the playoff. Five or six won’t do it because someone is going to get left out and kill it.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Jun 6, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
If the move is to 4 superconferences
Does the Big East/ACC merger have enough quality to keep out the surging MWC? I guess it depends on which ACC schools the SEC takes, as well as which BigEast schools the BigTen takes, but I keep thinking that the Boise, BYU, TCU, Utah combo plus a couple BigXII stragglers may threaten the seat that the BigEast/ACC will expect to have.
by The Mexican't on Jun 6, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
This is what I've been shouting from the mountaintops for weeks.
I can’t believe ESPN isn’t covering my blog comments…
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jun 7, 2010 4:31 AM EDT up reply actions
But the threat is always worse than the real thing.
So you tell ND that the p10 is going to 16, that the b10 wants to also, and that it’s the future. If/Once they bite maybe the b10 finds out they’re happy as is.
Problem with the system is, right now there is no NCAA sanctioned champion, so the non BCS schools don’t have an NCAA complaint with being left out. Also, they have the theoretical chance to get into the game
In the OMG superconference system, the NCAA is definitely getting sued by the other 56 some odd schools left out of the national championship. There’s no way they’d sanction it.
Who needs the NCAA?
The coalition of superconferences can pull off a championship by themselves. Tell Sen. Hatch he can have the BCS and let Tulsa and Utah play for that championship on the blue turf in Boise.
by Frank O'Brien on Jun 6, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Right
They couldn’t have an NCAA sanctioned national champion, but then again, they don’t have one now.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Jun 6, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I was under the impression that was part of the "playoff push."
That is, getting a sanctioned champion.
Even if not, I think a completely exclusive playoff could not withstand a legal challenge.
The NIT
was once the de facto National Championship. Then along came the NCAA and supplanted its power. If you have 50 or so of the most powerful/largest universities in the country go it alone, I doubt their lack of NCAA affiliation would cause many to doubt the validity of a championship they award.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jun 7, 2010 4:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I want mayhem like ghostbusters mayhem
Dr. Peter Venkman: Or you can accept the fact that this city is headed for a disaster of biblical proportions.
Mayor: What do you mean, “biblical”?
Dr. Raymond Stantz: What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor, real wrath-of-God type stuff. Fire and brimstone coming down from the sky! Rivers and seas boiling!
Dr. Egon Spengler: Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes…
Winston Zeddmore: The dead rising from the grave!
Dr. Peter Venkman: Human sacrifice. Dogs and cats living together. Mass hysteria!

I'm sorry, Bruce. These boys get that syrup in 'em, they get all antsy in their pantsy. Captain O'Hagan
by psu in the w-b on Jun 6, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Basically nothing, from what I've gathered from the ESPN/Sports Illustrated twitter comments.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Although ESPN ticker just said Neb/Mizzou have offers?
So… not sure what that means…?
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
The next time through, it didn't say the same thing...
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
MegaDelaney accelerating timeline
Per ChiTrib hack Teddy Greenstein’s twitter.
by Frank O'Brien on Jun 6, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
playoff
4 superconferences should lead to a league semi-final and championship game. which would actually be an eight team playoff.
Assuming something goes down this week...
and MO/Nebraska sign up, how soon could we expect to see them in the schedule?
Kansas?
Where does Kansas fit into all of this? That’s one helluva basketball school to kick to the curb. I wonder if they might be in the Big Ten mix if the Big 12 breaks up. Have the Texas and Oklahoma schools unionized? Who the hell would want Texas Tech and Oklahoma State over the Jayhawks?
To get Texas?
I do.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Kansas
I could see the SEC adsorbing Kansas along with Florida State and Miami if they look to expand. Having Kentucky and Kansas in the SEC would give them some instant basketball cred.
They might look to take Virginia Tech or Kansas State too. Maybe the Kansas legislature would insist Kansas and Kansas State be a package deal too.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Jun 6, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Kansas' only hope
is the Big Ten, and that’s the longest of long-shots at this point. The only good news for Kansas is that Memphis, UNLV, Xavier and Gonzaga manage to have/had great basketball teams in lesser leagues. Football? Get used to competing with New Mexico.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jun 7, 2010 4:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Kansas? No. Texas Tech. Yes. (?)
I see y’all have discussed the “unionizing” question. I still don’t see where Kansas fits into all of this. And I don’t follow the logic of inviting Texas Tech and Oklahoma State to get Texas and Oklahoma. But that’s the Pac-10. None my.
I think your future is great
And I would love 4 16 team divisions. I just wonder about the other 56 Division 1 football schools that are left out of the superconferences. Would they get any chance to play for the MNC? And if not what is their goal each season?
Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils
Shhhhhh
We’re not calling it a “national championship”. It’s just a playoff between conferences is all. I suspect the media will still vote on a national champion.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Jun 6, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
They vote on a basketball champion too
Just so happens they always pick the winner of the tournament.
Here's a question
What would Nebraska joining the league to to the non-con schedules coming up.
God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...
by For The Glory 1855 on Jun 6, 2010 8:17 PM EDT reply actions
We drop them from the non-con
and schedule one last series with Pitt before their football program drops off the face of the earth?
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 7, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
You're forgetting the MWC
If the Mountain West can keep themselves together, add Boise St for a 10th team and then pick up some of the scraps (Kansas? Kansas St? Baylor?) you would have a serious 12 or 14 team conference.
especially if you add iowa st., and maybe houston/rice/troy st, etc.
there are a lot of schools in the heartland that can be promoted if the big xii dissolves. this big 4 conferences could potentially be a big 5 conferences. not sure how that aligns with the playoff system, but consider this: rose, orange, fiesta, sugar, ncg. 5 games. 5 conferences.
not sure how this floats the bridge between BCS and Playoff, but the skeleton is there. more research must be conducted. I pin the rose on…TBD
"They stalk their prey to within two or three great leaps and then launch a lightning-fast charge, striking their prey. Victims are most often killed by suffocation with a prolonged bite..."--Hinterland Who's Who
It would likely be the opposite scenario:
the Big XII is looking to penalize any members who leave early. If up to eight current members were to bolt at the same time, it would leave four schools to collect their severance which they could put towards rebuilding their gutted league. I would not be surprised to see Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State and Baylor (and do not be shocked if Mizzou is stood up by the Big Ten) invite BYU, Utah, TCU, Colorado State, New Mexico, UNLV, Air Force and Boise State to fill in the gaps of a newly-minted Big XII.
No collection of this caliber of school could hope to find viability within the 16-team superconference model, but it would easily find acceptance as a new BCS league (they would already be more attractive than the current Big East).
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jun 7, 2010 4:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I think this is a correct statement:
do not be shocked if Mizzou is stood up by the Big Ten
I just have trouble, even after all this time, swallowing it. However, until I hear otherwise, I’ll sorta believe they’re coming.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Eh
Missouri as a football team is not that attractive. But access to the St. Louis and Kansas City markets for the BTN is very attractive.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Jun 7, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm still not sure Illinois doesn't give us a decent foothold there without cutting the bacon in thinner slices.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
You don't get it
St. Louis is in Missouri. Right now if people in Missouri want the BTN they have to order it as part of the sports package because they are outside the Big Ten footprint. If they add the Tigers, St. Louis is now inside the Big Ten footprint and the BTN goes on extended cable forcing people to buy it whether they want it or not.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Jun 7, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
and potentially pissing off the cable companies
if too many people complain about it, forcing a renegotiating of the contract next go around, and less lucrative deal for the Big Ten, making all this expansion not as attractive.
Not saying it would happen, but a possibility
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 7, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
No, I understand that
But I feel that there must be a way to push whatever cable company runs Mizzou into BTN up on basic. I refuse to believe Mizzou really has that much grasp over the whole state that a cable co. would just jump on board.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Is that true?
Everything I’ve read says that BTN is already on basic tier in St. Louis. Additionally, if we are to believe the rhetoric out of the Big Ten offices yesterday, academics are going to play a much bigger role in this process than first thought i.e. Nebraska and Missouri may take a back seat to Pitt, Rutgers and Syracuse (and, duh, Notre Dame).
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jun 7, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Am I Wrong?
I lived in St. Louis, not exactly a sprawling metropolis or a city with a ton of growth potential. How much really does this gain?
A good portion of Kansas City goes for Mizzou, it’s not all a Kansas town.
Here's the thing...
if we go to 4 16 team conferences i’m still trying to figure out the dynamics of the 4th. Currently there are 65 BCS teams and obviously the SEC, ACC, PAC-10 and Big 10 look the strongest and most viable long term. I see the strategies for the PAC-10, SEC and Big 10 but how does the ACC become viable IF the Pac-10 goes in and takes the 6 schools from the Big 12 that were discussed and SEC raids 4 schools from the ACC.
One of the conferences is going to end up with an awkward footprint….
ACC loses some combo of Clemson/Miami/VT (probably not because UVA would never touch the SEC)/FSU
Replace those 4 with any number of teams from BE, like L-Ville, Cinci, WVU, Pitt, etc. You bring back together some old rivalries (VT/WVU) and you get a couple of decent-enough teams to keep you viable in the television market. Assuming we take just one BE team (looking like the probable outcome) and the SEC takes 3 ACC teams (plus maybe Kansas?), the ACC will need 7 to reach 16 teams. The BE, it just so happens, will have 7 teams left… And, heck, lets add their basketball teams for the hoops season.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
And ps:
That footprint, aside from Cinci, is still “coastal” in appearance (sure, LVille and WVU aren’t, but they have that east-coast feel).
Hoops is a different story.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
You should read some ACC blogs
especially Testudo Times. There are grumblings that a Duke/UNC/Maryland/UVA foursome would have serious interest in a Big Ten offer if it were made to all; the ACC they knew and loved died with their (somewhat failed) expansion. It’s an intriguing scenario, especially when coupled with growing populations in southern states (North Carolina is a hotbed), academics and likelihood of capturing the DC market as opposed to the hope of getting NYC with the likes of Rutgers and Syracuse.
At the present, this would be a “meh” move for football. But when considering long-term trends and the ridiculous basketball implications, it could be worth a look.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jun 7, 2010 4:47 AM EDT up reply actions
VT would likely be attached, which is where this fails.
As much as I hate, the goal is still ND. the VA political machine isn’t nearly as dirty as Texas, but they’ll keep the two flagships together.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
The legislative moves that have happened in Texas and Virginia
aren’t as much about keeping schools together as they are about insuring safe havens for all involved. This is why many felt that if, for example, Texas A&M were to end up going to the SEC no one would stop them because Texas would be just fine at supporting itself and propping up the other two Big XII Texas schools. Likewise, as long as Virgina Tech could land in the SEC or a merger of the remaining ACC/Big East, the legislature wouldn’t be as likely to hem and haw over UVA bolting.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jun 7, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, fuck!
I actually wrote “insuring” instead of “ensuring”. Awesome…
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jun 8, 2010 5:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Bad McCann't.
No f-word for you .
"I'm day-to-day with hurt feelings." - Chris Pronger
by ReadingRambler on Jun 8, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I blame the "tabs" function
of my browser; with so many different windows open at once, I sometimes forget which site I’m on.
F-Bomb tolerance by site:
Burnt Orange Nation: Frowned Upon
Black Shoe Diaries: Use Sparingly
Black Heart Gold Pants: Are You F*cking kidding?
Hail To the Orange: If a tree falls in the forest…(just kidding, Joe, you’re great!)
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jun 8, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tech and UVa. lived apart for generations.
It was only when it looked like Tech was going to get screwed that there was a political intervention. If Tech were headed to the SEC, UVa. would be free to follow it’s own best interests.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
They did, but that was before VT became a flagship-level school.
Let’s not forget that, athletically, VT didn’t so much until the late 90s. Academics were just a little further ahead. I think part of it was VT clearly had no leg to stand on in conversations with UVA until the last decade and a half.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Is all of this interesting to discuss? Yes, but realize...
…you’re only fueling the Jim Delaney chaos and speculation machine.
I almost view Delaney like the Joker in Batman: the Dark Knight. Plans? He doesn’t have a plan, but it’s his acknowledgement of that very fact that puts him 2-3 steps ahead of everyone else in all of this.
The Big Ten is in better shape financially than any other league. The Big Ten is consistently a great league in both football and basketball. The B10 has its own TV network and a massive contract with ABC / ESPN. The Big Ten is composed entirely of premier research institutions that get legislated a massive amount of money every year.
Bottom line: The Big Ten is more than fine, and however this whole thing shakes down, the Big Ten will not end up being the loser. The more chaos and panic that’s out there, the more attractive the Big Ten looks to the Notre Dames and Texases of the world, and the more likely they are to gravitate to the Joker.
No alarms and no surprises please.
by ckmneon on Jun 7, 2010 7:11 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
so isn't it good that we're fueling the Delaney CHASM (CHaos And Speculation Machine)?
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 7, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
This is what has been brilliant about Delany's strategy.
He’s merely had to make a mention of expansion, coordinate a few leaks (thanks Barry Alvarez!) and sit back while the rest of the country builds publicity for his league and network while simultaneously weakening their own leagues by exposing every preexisting petty rivalry and grudge previously kept in-house.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jun 7, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I've been saying this all along.
Delany is absolutely brilliant at gauging (gouging) and deflecting any and all stabs at making the teams involved punch their grumpy or get off the pot. The way other conferences are snipping towards the media and other schools is GREAT.

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