Sources Say Nebraska To Join The Big Ten
by BSD on Jun 9, 2010 12:17 PM EDT
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The dominoes are starting to fall. Reports out of Omaha are saying the Nebraska Cornhuskers are expected to announce they will join the Big Ten as early as this Friday.
An executive at a Big 12 school relayed to The World-Herald on Tuesday that he expects Nebraska to become a member of the Big Ten as early as Friday.
That's what I just said, didn't I?
Anyway, Nebraska Athletic Director Tom Osborne appeared on the radio last night and gave indications that the timetable for conference realignment has been accelerated. Like a former U.S. Congressman, he was non-commital on specifics like Nebraska's options, decisions, or timetable. But he may have made a little slip when asked if there was any animosity toward Texas. (emphasis added)
"We certainly don't have anything against anybody in the Big 12," Osborne said. "This decision is not going to be based on animosity or petty jealousy. You're talking about something that could maintain for the next 75 to 100 years.
"This is a big deal in terms of the University of Nebraska. It's a big deal for other institutions. You don't ever make a decision based on personal likes and dislikes."
When Osborne talks about making "this decision" that could "maintain for the next 75 to 100 years", I just don't get the impression he's talking about living in Big XII North bliss with rainbows and lollipops for the next century. He sounds like a man who has made his decision, and like a first time home buyer, he is convincing himself he did the right thing.
What this means for Missouri, the rest of the Big XII, Notre Dame, and the other conferences, we will have to wait and see.
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Not go all Old Man Euhler on this...
…but when is somebody, and I mean anybody, going to go on the record in this story. I don’t recall a single article that contained anythign but 5% “unnamed sources” and 95% hearsay, conjecture and/or outright speculation. If newspapers actually practiced any manner of journalism, I don’t think that this is a story at all.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
it's a combination of
no one wanting to speak on the record and journalists wanting to break the story first.
and if it wasn’t for shoddy journalism, blogs wouldn’t have much clout.
by Mr. Rosewater on Jun 9, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Deep Throat disagrees
most journalism is based on unnamed sources. Unnamed sources remain unnamed because they are so close to this secret information they could lose their job etc. by having their identity revealed.
The journalistic integrity issue stems from the hope that they actually did receive this info from an unnamed source, and not that they are making up a rumor and pretending they got it from an unnamed source to hide its irrelevance/invalidity.
or that their unnamed source is actually someone with information
and not their 5 year old that they convinced to say those words just to get a quote
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 9, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
This isn't Watergate...
And I seem to recall the Editor screaming at Woodward and Bernstein; “When is somebody going to go on the record in this damn story!”
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
Yeah and Ben Bradlee even knew who Deep Throat was.
I have little or no confidence that these “unnamed sources” are as credible as the ones being protected by the Post in that situation.
I mean, notice that Sports Illustrated in not exactly flooding the website with this story, I think that lack of any credible sources is part of the reason.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
And ESPN has been staying away from it as well until this week
which I respect.
I know about your diabolical plan.
I just wanted to say Deep throat
but the point im trying to make is there. If papers had to wait for someone to attach their name to a piece of information, very little would ever be reported. I have to assume if the information im getting is from a reputable journalist ( i dont know how that applies to the Omaha Journal or whatever it is) then hes getting that information for a good source and not just making it up or hearing it from his mailman.
Wouldn't be shocked..
if Osbourne is the source. He’s been to Washington, he knows how the game is played. Could be “testing” the waters to see what the reaction would be before making a final decision.
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by Esteban d' Amur on Jun 9, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the Osbourne comment
is a lot more telling than the unnamed source. Mike is spot on. “This decision” is the decision he’s already made: to join the Big Ten.
Eat more pie.
by Illegal Formation on Jun 9, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
it's a very good addition
still hate them from the ’90’s when they KILLED.
More hate for us to hate.
I love to hate Big Red (not McQuery)
The one and only time I ran onto the field was after the Nebraska game in ’82. I got to within 10 yards of Blackledge while he was being hoisted into the air by a bunch of drunks. I have never seen fear more so than the look Blackledge had that day.
by Frank O'Brien on Jun 9, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
And he never won again...
The fear instilled in Blackledge by winning for a college team must have made him afraid of what NFL fans would do to him for similar success. ;)
Of course he stunk he played for the Chiefs
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by ReadingRambler on Jun 9, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure it's been mentioned
But this makes Nebraska mysteriously dropping off our schedule for 2014 all the stranger given this development. It’s entirely possible they end up back on the schedule again by 2014, coincidence?
Do you want the mustache on, or off?
Too bad.
mind f&*$!!!!!
Seriously though, wow. Hadn’t thought of this.
Goes to show how little we the public may actually know of actualy goings on.
Hey!
and the National Health plan goes into effect in 2014 supposedly…conspiracy indeed.
Nebraska
They were never scheduled in 2014/15. There were certainly talks — probably very advanced ones — but nothing was ever officially finalized and reported. So, they didn’t “drop” from the schedule since they weren’t there in the first place.
You know, this is crazy, and unprecedented.
We are going to take one the largest 3 or 4 sports in North America in terms of $$$ generated and viewership and completely turn it on its head in a matter of weeks. Wow.
But looking back on this, or from an outsiders perspective….why not?
Our national pastime (or at least mine) was broken. The bowl system sucks, teams only play for money and schedule crap out of conference games. This is going to radically change things. I just can’t believe its happening RIGHT NOW.
Agreed
These are exciting times. If this all leads to the creation of superconferences and ultimately the death of the BCS, you have to put this on the level of the AFL merging with the NFL, or the American League merging with the National League in baseball.
Mike
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I still want to see what the long term ramifications are on the BCS
everyone is assuming it will kill it off, but what if it doesn’t? what if all of these super conferences get a guaranteed two spots in the bcs. So basically your two participants are in the BCS? I hope it kills it, but to me the bowl system is modern America’s cultural cockroach.
When in doubt, punt!
- John Heisman
I don’t see any off these conference changes necessarily killing off the BCS. Changing it, sure, but not getting rid of it (or starting a playoff). Especially true if it’s the Big Ten and Pac-10 that become the big powers — both have adamantly opposed playoffs and have emphasized the status quo (and primacy of the Rose Bowl).
and then went and changed everything by adding 11 more teams
which is essentially absorbing a third conference
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 9, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Rec'd forever
HATE
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by ReadingRambler on Jun 9, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
What I'd really like to see, for any photoshop wizards out there
Is that scene from The Ring where the chick is climbing out of the well, except instead it’s Lil Red, and he’s coming through your television set to get you.
Eeew
He looks like Purdue Pete’s creepier cousin…
by dawsonPSU10 on Jun 15, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Could we just take Nebraska and be happy
From a B10 perspective they feel like a good fit, unlike Missouri and Rutgers. Maybe the dam holds after Nebraska’s announcement.
Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils
maybe it holds for us
but then the process starts where the Big XII looks weak, and the Pac-10 swoops in for the kill. Maybe they’d be content with just Colorado and pick Utah from somewhere else, but why not at least try for Texas?
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 9, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe the Big 10 and Pac 10 are in cahoots
by Mr. Rosewater on Jun 9, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that's like saying "maybe the lion and the hyena are in cahoots"
sure, they both want to see the death of their prey, but they’re not going to sit there and share it, either.
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 9, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
They're together in the kill the competitor thing, for sure.
After that, to quote the philosopher Nugent, it’s a free for all.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
I just hope we don't catch
a cat scratch fever when this is all done.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
True story:
I was working for an environmental lobbying firm (I’m not a tree-hugger, but I needed a job) and we were investigating illegal wildlife trade on the internet. I found an elephant-foot stool for sale that Ted Nugent had killed. It was the bottom half of an elephant’s leg, and there was a picture with the Nuge and all. Pretty funny.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
You don't have to be a tree-hugger to be on the side of the environment
Speaking of which, poor elephant….
by dawsonPSU10 on Jun 15, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I've thought of this
They already have a pretty close relationship through their tie with the Rose Bowl they both defended for years. Maybe their plan, with the Rose Bowl, is to create two super conferences. Everyone always says whoever wins the SEC deserves to play for the National Championship. Well, now with Texas, USC, Oklahoma, PSU, Michigan, Ohio State, Nebraska, and other good programs being gobbled up between the PAC-10 and Big Ten, one could argue anyone who can get through that and win the Rose Bowl deserves to be the National Champion.
Mike
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thereby
forcing the SEC to merge with lesser programs, thereby devaluing their television contracts and exposure, and lastly, minimizing their relevancy. could work.
by Mr. Rosewater on Jun 9, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Possibly
If the SEC feels like they have to catch up, I think they go after Florida State, Miami, and Virginia Tech. Possibly one of the Kansas Schools too. It will be interesting to see if they really abandon morals and kick out a school like Vanderbilt in order to make room for someone else.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Jun 9, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
One thing is for sure
The SEC people are really worried about this expansion devaluing their conference and they are set for a pissing match.
Do you want the mustache on, or off?
Too bad.
Really
I’m surprised they haven’t made a pitch to Texas yet. They seem to be a bit too comfortable with their position in all of this. I’m surprised they’re still kicking around the idea of creating an SEC network and haven’t jumped in head first given the success of the BTN.
Like Joe Paterno says, if you’re not getting better, you’re getting worse.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Jun 9, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
They're already in on this. Just because you haven't heard anything, doesn't mean they haven't started.
Think us and the Big Ten.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
What morals?
Like the ones where they allow over-signing of HS players only to kick some of them to the curb when the next hot recruit comes along?
I seem to remember JoePa saying in pressers he has good friends in the PAC10
who have told him on multiple occasions they’re looking to expand (unnamed of course, but unlike most unnamed sources, coming from Paterno, you know it’s 99% sure it’s a credible source)
maybethe Big 10 and Pac 10 are in cahoots
fixed.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
My gut
Right now invitations are out to Nebraska and Notre Dame. It sounds like Nebraska is going to accept. Notre Dame is on the clock. I don’t think Delany has planned his next move beyond that. He’s going to wait and see how it plays out first.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
Keep underestimating Delany like that
and the next thing you know we’ll be talking about his new grotto.
Not underestimating
I think he’s just keeping his options open beyond Nebraska and Notre Dame at this point. If he gets them both he may turn to Pitt. If Notre Dame rejects, he may go after Missouri, Rutgers and Syracuse. He may want to see the Big XII reaction to losing Nebraska. If the Big XII south bolts for the PAC-10, he may be able to get Missouri on the cheap. If the Big XII south decides to stick together and invite TCU, he may decide to leave the Big XII alone and turn east.
I just think he wants to make a small move and see how things play out. I don’t think Rutgers has an invite or else we would have heard about it and they would have already jumped on it. Same with Missouri. I don’t get the impression they have been invited yet. And I just read that their deadline to report to the Big XII has been moved back a week.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Jun 9, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
He owns all the grottos, he just hasn't told us.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Delany doesn't seem to me to be the Joker "dog chasing cars" analogy to me
He’s a guy with a plan. A “schemer” to quote the movie.
He's more like the Emporer from Star Wars
Back when he was just a member of the Senate and started his plan to consolidate power.
I think Delany is quickly building to the status of Chuck Norris
When in doubt, punt!
- John Heisman
What type of demands might the Big 10 place on Nebraska
For PSU, it was the construction of the BJC and I think they might’ve had to work to improve the airport as well.
What would it be for UNL? An AAU application or somthing research related? How is their basketball arena?
I already checked out their Bball program
And it looks like PSU, Neb, and NW will be fighting to not be the worst B10 team.
Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils
by psu on Jun 9, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Nebraska is an AAU member, and per wikipedia, has been since 1909.
The Crimson Quarry, SB Nation's Indiana Hoosiers blog
by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Jun 9, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, it looks like just a month ago, NU committed to opening a new basketball arena by 2013. The “”http://www.huskerextra.com/articles/2010/05/12/mens_basketball/doc4bea3b6415a67595009444.txt#image" >Haymarket Arena."
The Crimson Quarry, SB Nation's Indiana Hoosiers blog
by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Jun 9, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Yet another
Massive coincidence?
Do you want the mustache on, or off?
Too bad.
by millzners on Jun 9, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
As if that matters
That place is a giant blackhole for basketball coaches.
"I'm day-to-day with hurt feelings." - Chris Pronger
by ReadingRambler on Jun 9, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
i think its amazing how crazy the process has been
i mean the Big Ten was talking missouri rutgers and ND and now its Nebraska who may be the first to join, Pac 10 was talking Colorado and now they may not even be one of 6 teams invited. Its crazy how this whole thing took off
The B10 wasn't talking anything
It was all internet rumor milling and anonymous sources about who was being asked to possibly join.
What this means for ND...
As Dr. Sat points out, ND just resigned a series with BC and has series scheduled for many others, in additon to their USC and Navy series. I just don’t see ND giving up their independence, and I’m 100% OK with this.
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I think the bigger the conferences
the more pull they have with bowl sponsors. If anything, ND will be squeezed out of bowl contracts due to non-conference affiliations. they have to join.
by Mr. Rosewater on Jun 9, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree that joining is in their best interest. You know who doesn't agree? Notre Dame.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jun 9, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd love
To watch them turn down a chance and then end up out in the cold when the BCS dissolves. I am absolutely rooting for ND to stay independent.
Do you want the mustache on, or off?
Too bad.
Ditto this, buddy.
I want them to die a slow and painful death. Gimme Nebraska, Texas, TAMU, UVA and VT. Then, we say “f89k ’em” to all other conferences and we lay academic and football pipe for the remainder of our years (all of them).
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Tough to say
From what I hear, the ND BOT is split 50/50 on what to do. I hear they have an invite, but only a few weeks to make a decision.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Jun 9, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Chip Brown just reported a "source" tells him that ND has a timetable.
Duh. But they have all of these game commitments through the next decade…
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jun 9, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
some of those commitments may decommit
because they’re involved with realignment. seriously, ND is f’d if they continue their Holier than Thou stance.
by Mr. Rosewater on Jun 9, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
That's an intersting point
Most of Nebraska’s schdule is tied up in the Big XII, and those pretty much vanish the second they quit the league. Notre Dame has 12 different teams they have 12 seperate comitments to, this year alone, not to mention next year and the next….
It could be a mess. But they would get to keep playing Michigan, and if they could keep USC on the schedule, I think they would survive.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
we were in same boat when we joined the Big 10
they usually have a grace period. If ND joins tomorrow they wont be in the Big Ten this fall. i bet they’d give them 3 years to iron out their commitments. I think (off teh top of my head) PSU joined in 1990 and first started conference play in 93? correct me if im wrong, but i know there is a grace period to handle most of the committed non conference series contracts.
That's correct.
That’s why I say 2012 is more likely. Give the teams a couple of seasons to alter their game commitments.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jun 9, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
and keep in mind
Notre Dame plays alot of Big Ten Schools and has them on the schedule already, so they really only are altering dates for Michigan, MSU, Purdue. They also have other Big Ten “Targets” Pitt and Syracuse on the schedule every year as well, for what its worth (nothing).
I'm not really following all the expansion stuff closely,
but when will all of this take effect? 2011?
Eat more pie.
by Illegal Formation on Jun 9, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
At the earliest.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jun 9, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
2012 is more likely.
Unless the B12 just completely goes up in flames.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jun 9, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Wouldn't be surprised if it was 2011 though...
One of those “you can’t quit, because you’re fired!” scenarios, even if the B12 remains intact.
Do you want the mustache on, or off?
Too bad.
Nebraska's games this year
are going to be awkward. Like running into an ex, but it will happen once a week.
Eat more pie.
by Illegal Formation on Jun 9, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
And I promise you
The Big XII never had higher ratings than it will this year.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
What if
Delany is the unnamed source of these reports and he’s trying to force Texas’ hand? I just want to go on record saying I was the genius who figured it out first: Texas to the B10 by Friday. The Nebraska reports are a red herring.
Do you want the mustache on, or off?
Too bad.
Two subdivisions?
Let’s hope that if there are only 12 schools after this is all done, that they divide the conference into two subdivisions. I don’t want Nebraska, Michigan, and Ohio State on the schedule every year. The former two are down right now, but that won’t last for long. One conference of 12 teams can’t maintain four top 15 programs every year.
If they go to 16 teams
they could go to 4 sub-divisions, with rotated play. I laid out a proposed schedule a while ago (and I’ve seen similar plans elsewhere). You’d basically have 3 teams you play yearly, and every other team you’d play at least once every 3 or 4 years.
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 9, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
YES HUH ASK THE SEC!
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
I meant the four top 15 programs.
I don’t care about the SEC’s plats.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
So if Nebraska joins
can they be PSU’s protected rival, and can the rivalry trophy be the 1994 MNC trophy (currently in Nebraska’s possession)?
We could call it the “Settling the Score for ’94 Trophy”
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 9, 2010 1:20 PM EDT reply actions 17 recs
Dude...
this is fucking awesome. It’s so great, I didn’t edit the profanity. That great.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
by jesse. on Jun 9, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The game should be called simply...
the 1994 National Championship game.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
by jesse. on Jun 9, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
And...
the game is played at 3pm following “the game”.
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by Esteban d' Amur on Jun 9, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Better still
If we win, they send 1994 here…
If they win, we send 1982 there…
You think Ohio State and Michigan have a fierce rivalry? Try that one on.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
by jesse. on Jun 9, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
they would arguably be the best rivalry trophies in all of sports
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 9, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Especially since after the first year...
It would essentially be for two national championships.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
by jesse. on Jun 9, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The best part
It’s something totally unique and not forced, with legitimate resentment by both sides. Instant classic.
Do you want the mustache on, or off?
Too bad.
It would be bad ass.
Neither side would have any trouble whatsoever calling themselves the National Champ of that respective season either.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
It's beautiful
TALKING ABOUT THIS MAKES ME HATE THE LAND GRANT TROPHY EVEN MORE
Do you want the mustache on, or off?
Too bad.
I think if we put 82 up as a bet
they would take it.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
well, wait a minute
if they win our 1982 trophy one year, and the next year we win, does that mean we get BOTH trophies, or just the 1982 trophy back?
by Mr. Rosewater on Jun 9, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Or maybe you have to win two in a row to get both?
I’m torn.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
I like it this way
If you lost last year and win this year, you get back the NC you (officially) won. If you win next year, you get the one you didn’t officially win.
Do you want the mustache on, or off?
Too bad.
that would make the rivalry a bit more heated
and the streaks even that more important
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 9, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Well...
Even after Nebraska loses six in a row, I think they get 1994 back if they break the streak. You shouldn’t have to make up the enitre streak to get your respective title back.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
exactly, if you’ve lost two or more in a row, the next game you win you get your rightful NC back. It would make those games absolutely huge.
Do you want the mustache on, or off?
Too bad.
well true
I was mostly just thinking in 2 game streak terms, and being able to say you’ve had both trophies for X years in a row would still be impressive.
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 9, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Everything about this would be huge.
Let Michigan play for pigs, and buckets. We’ll play for the National Championship trophy. We also immediately renounce all other trophy games.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
ok, now I feel we should be a bit more hush hush about this plan.
We don’t need Michigan and OSU suddenly deciding against inviting Nebraska for fear that their “game” will suddenly pale in comparison.
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 9, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
we need to propose this to the Huskers SBN board
start a petition.
by Mr. Rosewater on Jun 9, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Done.
"I'm day-to-day with hurt feelings." - Chris Pronger
by ReadingRambler on Jun 9, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
add a poll to it
not that I’m as poll happy as Junny, but…well…
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 9, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I have a bad feeling that's just going to be us screaming at each other
on a different board.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
Quick Junny-like Poll
If you had to choose:
A) Keystone Rivalry (or whatever it would be called) with Pitt
B) (Stolen) National Championship Rivalry with Nebraska (Ohio State sucks is implicit in this option, as it would instantly blow away their petty “game”)
I’m not leading these answers at all ;-)
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 9, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I still vote Pitt.
But I’m from Western PA. Its just me and old people that want Pitt.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jun 9, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
both trophies
we could even imitate the land grant trophy and construct an ugly wooden box and just glue them both to the top
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 9, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
And if we get Texas to join the Big Ten as well
they need to also be a protected yearly game. We could call that one the “Tricky Dick Trophy” or something of the like.
I’ve never been so excited for expansion until realizing we could shore up a bunch of our stolen National Championships.
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 9, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're doing God's work, sir...
by thinking way outside the box.
Very creative stuff.
by Artiefufkin10 on Jun 9, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Having once
met Nixon, the Tricky Dick Trophy would be a whole lot uglier than the Land Grant.
of course you met Nixon
“stay thirsty my friends”
by hbeach08 on Jun 9, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
HaHa...
I’m just lucky and sayin’…..I sometimes feel like I’ve been in the Woody Allen film “Zelig”
next time you run into Woody
you should suggest that for the sequel
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 9, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Yo Derry
Just curious, are you from Derry Township?
"I'm day-to-day with hurt feelings." - Chris Pronger
by ReadingRambler on Jun 9, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Resident of
Derry from the Western part of Pa. actually.
Aww, crap, I was gonna ask you for some chocolate.
"I'm day-to-day with hurt feelings." - Chris Pronger
by ReadingRambler on Jun 9, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Ahhhhh,
I do know some chocolate people and I could hook you up if interested.
We used to play Derry Area in sports.
Old Foothills Conference
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
Vince Lombardi
I'm going to be sad the day I find out that DerryPharmer is really just a teenage kid with an (awesome) overactive imagination
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 9, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I know jesse. knows I'm actually thirteen.
"I'm day-to-day with hurt feelings." - Chris Pronger
by ReadingRambler on Jun 9, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I've thought the same thing about you Rambler.
One minute he’s spewing WWII minutiae, then commenting on a Nebraska senator’s recent gallup poll
Interesting man indeed, or high speed search engine.
Either way, I like.
Have not been near that age
for a long time….for your curiosity, I will be 68 this year….like I said before, I’ve been lucky to have been in the right places at the right times…maybe some of us can meet at some of the FB games….by the way, did I ever tell you my Beatles story?
Not then...
Had a chance to meet Dylan via one of my Prep School teachers, believe it or not, but I did not care for him at the time…one of my mistakes. Then I realized later on that both he and Walter Cronkite were paid by the same company—-RCA. Hey, you know it’s all about the $$$$$. Never got into reefer, although at one time in my youth, I smoked just about anything.
I'm not a smoker either, I was more interested in the meeting that changed the Beatles.
Cool stuff Derry. We’ll meet for a cocktail someday.
Please do tell the Beatles story
your legend only continues to grow, good sir.
by dawsonPSU10 on Jun 15, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Holy Crap...
I didn’t realize until right now that I’m thirsty for a Dos Equis. And I’d lke to drink it with DerryPharmer, the most interesting man in the world. Can we go Helicopter Skiing together once you’re all healed up?
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
I'd just like to go regular skiing again
but, what the hell, let’s do it!
This needs to be rec'd
beyond green.
Eat more pie.
by Illegal Formation on Jun 9, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
That is an awesome idea
But if we win it I am breaking into wherever it is stored and stealing it and keeping it forever. WE DESERVE IT.
Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils
by psu on Jun 9, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
We could call it the "We Both Would Have Killed '97 Michigan Trophy".
"I'm day-to-day with hurt feelings." - Chris Pronger
by ReadingRambler on Jun 9, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
If this doesn't work,
you guys can play for the “New Guy” trophy. Whoever wins that year gets to not feel like an outcast for a year.
That is sooooo not funny - Maize N Brew Dave
Outcast as in your head coach, correct?
"I'm day-to-day with hurt feelings." - Chris Pronger
by ReadingRambler on Jun 9, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Or, in the alternative...
We could banish everybody that’s never played in a National Title game to the MWC. Which works just fine for me.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
Seriously,
Once Nebraska joins this league, there will be three teams that have actually won a title on the field (with facemasks no less) that are totally going to be laughing at Michigan from here on out. It’s going to be awesome.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
I guess two wins in a row over a program experiencing it's roughest transition possibly ever...
is enough to erase 9 seasons of being our bitch.
That is sooooo not funny - Maize N Brew Dave
Like McDonald's...
i’m lovin’ it.
Nebraska won’t be a sleeper for too much longer (has too much tradition, like us) and I fully expect them to resurge (like we did). And now you’re looking at 4 traditional powerhouse programs with very good teams like Iowa and Wiscy who can contend any given year.
I could careless about Notre Dame…if we can get 12 teams will be good. Then we can sit on things a bit and see if Texas warms up…grab Texas and Mizzou…or at the very least Mizzou plus Rutgers to lock down NYC.
Not sure if this has been posted yet, but...
Sen. Pat Roberts, a Kansas Republican, had a come-to-Jesus meeting with Sen. Ben Nelson, a Nebraska Democrat, just outside the Senate floor on Tuesday, warning his colleague that his state school doesn’t need to be the one to tip over the first conference domino.
“Don’t be the domino that blows college football up into four major conferences and gets rid of the NCAA,” a World-Herald reporter heard the Kansas senator tell Nelson. “It isn’t going to do anybody any good when those dominoes start falling.”
There is NO WAY Nelson will say anything if Nebraska goes to the Big Ten. He’s on very thin ice in that state.
"I'm day-to-day with hurt feelings." - Chris Pronger
by ReadingRambler on Jun 9, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't disconcur.
"I'm day-to-day with hurt feelings." - Chris Pronger
by ReadingRambler on Jun 9, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
"it isn't going to do anybody any good"
what he really means is “my Kansas schools are pretty much SOL if this happens. Iowa State, too. Otherwise, pretty much everyone benefits from this happening”
Wonder how he previously felt about Orin Hatch and his stance on college football.
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 9, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Roberts probably just wants to get the media attention back home.
He knows good and well that Nelson won’t say anything.
"I'm day-to-day with hurt feelings." - Chris Pronger
by ReadingRambler on Jun 9, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Kansas' problem is Kansas State.
Kansas is pretty much on record saying that they are a package deal. The Big Ten is taking hot, or at least pretty hot, chicks, and we’re not taking your chubby cousin to make you feel better about yourself. Without K-State, I don’t see how Kansas isn’t at least as much in the discussion as Missouri. Or even a reasonable alternative to Notre Dame if they flake out.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
"The Big Ten is taking hot, or at least pretty hot, chicks"
So we’re about to Inspire hope in Missouri before we Separate entirely?
When this all finally
comes to fruition….I’m going to miss all of this.
I was just saying to RUTS and the guys this morning that this is the most fun offseason EVER.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Jun 9, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
seriously, it doesn't even feel like the offseason
I know we’re less than Brandon Ware until football, but I haven’t even been keeping track of it like most years.
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 9, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Can we do a Red Meat week again?
"I'm day-to-day with hurt feelings." - Chris Pronger
by ReadingRambler on Jun 9, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe
We could do up some posts mocking the teams that don’t make the Big Ten cut. I’m looking at you, Pitt.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Jun 9, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
That would be fun Some chicks standinga;one at the prom
I'm sorry, Bruce. These boys get that syrup in 'em, they get all antsy in their pantsy. Captain O'Hagan
by psu in the w-b on Jun 9, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
NOOOO
You mentioned it, now we’re doomed.
"I'm day-to-day with hurt feelings." - Chris Pronger
by ReadingRambler on Jun 9, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't even say it
you’ll awaken the curse of the Cruzan Mango Rum.
Eat more pie.
by Illegal Formation on Jun 9, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I think
without expansion, this could have been the WORST off season ever. It was starting to drag for a while there.
by Mr. Rosewater on Jun 9, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Big Ten Women's Volleyball
Just got even better. word
by ChrisHarrell's_stache05 on Jun 9, 2010 2:33 PM EDT reply actions
Wow. Good call!
@EpicTripod
Black Shoe Diaries
Success With Honor
by Jeff Junstrom on Jun 9, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
And if Texas goes to the Pac-10
The championship is basically going to be the Rose Bowl of Women’s Volleyball – Pac-10 (Texas, Stanford) vs Big Ten (Penn State, Nebraska).
"I did my walk of shame this morning and everyone was so much nicer," she said. "People were inviting me to parties at 9 a.m."
Pac-10 volleyball
Um, Stanford and USC and other (current) Pac-10 schools might take offense to your characterization of the championship.
This Pac-10 is, and will continue to be, the best conference overall for women’s volleyball. Well, maybe the Big Ten can challenge if they get both Nebraska and Texas.
I think his point
was that if Texas and Nebraska both head to the Big Ten and/or Pac-10, then the women’s volleyball championship will basically be like the Rose Bowl: between the Big Ten and Pac-10 champs
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 9, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
This expansion should REALLY HELP the regular season schedule
Adding NU and possibly ND, Mizzu, and Rutgers/Cuse.
We are at 12 now, probably 14 with ND/Mizzu, then add Rutgers/Cuse for 16.
No more 4 games of Easter State Tech to fill Sept
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well, we'd still probably only have 8, maybe 9 regular season games
so we’d still need to fill the other 3-4 slots, and you know there will still be MACrifices, so that’s 2-3 more slots. One big power house, and that last 1 or 2 spots will be filled with, you guessed it, Easter State Tech.
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 9, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
If your schedule has
Nebraska, Michigan and Ohio State on it, exactly how many more “big powerhouses” do you think the schedule needs?
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
And probably one of those twice in the CCG.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Oh, I didn't mean to say the schedule would be bad
definitely better than it is, since even though we won’t play every team every year, the top games will all be lateral moves, and it just means less years we have to play Indiana.
Still, the non-con games in September will still be mostly snoozefests.
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 9, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Going to 9 conference games would be a positive.
Yes there would still be cupcakes, but assuming everyone would still look to play one marquee non-con game, it means one fewer cupcake.
Eat more pie.
by Illegal Formation on Jun 9, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
right, assuming we go to 9 conference games
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 9, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I like this
Four divisions, play everybody in your division every year. On a rotating basis, play all of one other division plus one each from the remaining two.
"Nothing turns me on like doe estrus." - ReadingRambler
It could work, but for the unbalanced schedule
But it’s tricky. Essentially you set up a four by four grid and you play everybody in your horizontal and vertical column every year. Then you play one of the other three vertical columns. The Big Ten CG would be the winner of the the two divisions, which would rotate every two years based on which columns were playing each other.
Now try to set it up. It’s hard as hell. The first thing you have to do is pick the other three teams, I used Notre Dame, Rutgers and Kansas but I doubt it gets any simpler with other schools.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
Yeah, but you didn't set up the protected games
That’s the hardest part. Also the South and East division are not really in balance with the others competitvely.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
I didn't set up the teams specifically (since I had no idea who they would be)
just really threw them together, but once you get the teams into the specific divisions, then it works.
You are right about the protected games, but if we make the decision to just give each team ONE protected game, then you could break them off into pairs, and group the pairs together as best as possible.
Let’s say we bring in Nebraska, ND, Missouri, Pitt/Rutgers, and Syracuse.
North
Ohio State
Michigan
Wisconsin
Minnesota
South
Notre Dame
Michigan State
Purdue
Indiana
East
Penn State
Pitt/Rutgers
Syracuse
Northwestern
West
Nebraska
Iowa
Illinois
Missouri
I see good rivalries and matchups all through there, though Northwestern gets kinda screwed, and the East is probably weaker than it should be (but I don’t see a fix to that if we take 2 eastern schools, who would then be paired with Penn State…and then what other school do you add to that mix?)
I know this isn’t perfect, but I’m not gonna spend a lot of time on a what-if without even knowing all the pieces. For all I know, we could add Nebraska, ND, Texas, Texas A&M, and Pitt/Rutgers/Syracuse, and have something like this:
North
Ohio State
Michigan
Wisconsin
Minnesota
South
Texas
Texas A&M
Indiana
Purdue
East
Penn State
Notre Dame
Michigan State
Pitt/Rutgers/Syracuse
West
Nebraska
Iowa
Illinois
Northwestern
If we go to having 2 protected rivalries, then you run into the scenario where you won’t necessarily see other teams on your schedule for very long periods of time, and I personally think that would be worse than breaking up some of the lesser rivalries.
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 9, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I doubt it will happen
That means unbalanced home and away schedules. The big schools want 7 home games. So in years when they only get four conference home games, they have to schedule three home games in the non-con schedule. They could be crafty and schedule the home and away with another powerhouse to coincide with their conference schedule so they get 7 home games. But that is going to limit their options and be tough to do. Plus they will never get that bonus year where they get eight home games. It will be easier to just put three cupcakes on the schedule.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Jun 9, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
So here's why I do not want ND in the Big Ten
The teaser for Pat Forde’s latest
Where Notre Dame positions itself in college football’s possible new world order will be vital to everyone else in the sport.No, it most certainly will not. But this is what we will have to deal with, day in and day out. The Big Ten’s perception will be inextricably linked to this faded “national” program. It will be much worse than it currently is with OSU/UM setting the tone.
Eat more pie.
by Illegal Formation on Jun 9, 2010 4:02 PM EDT reply actions
crap like this
makes me hope they screw up in all this and get left out only to fade to obscurity.
Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils
by psu on Jun 9, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah that's annoying
With Nebraska on board, the Big Ten will be fine with or without Notre Dame. The Big Ten would like to have Notre Dame, but they don’t need them. Notre Dame needs the Big Ten to survive.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Jun 9, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, and they will probably find it out too late.
I like Nebraska as 12. If the conference adds some more, fine. If not, I’m very good with Nebraska. I like them much more than the eastern choices and Mizzou. The big fish (singular, I don’t consider ND that huge anymore) is still available. Maybe UT is waiting to see what ND does and then present something to their state showing what a good move this is and the other schools can hook on elsewhere, SEC, MWC and PAC 10.
What's to stop the PAC-10
from offering Notre Dame a spot? Is there too much of a Traffic jam there with the entire state of Texas and Oklahoma? Just curious.
I guess I’m just wondering if Notre Dame could get any other conference offers, or is the Big 10 there only shot.
"A setback is just a set up for a comeback." -Drew Brees
The ACC and Big East would let Notre Dame join in a second IMHO (so would the SEC, but the Domers would never consider them) — the thing is though that if Notre Dame is willing to join a conference, then the Big Ten just makes the most sense for them.
I guess the Pac-10 could offer Notre Dame over Colorado, but it seems that they won’t get Texas/A&M and Oklahoma without Tech or Oklahoma St.
I'm excited now
Cornhuskers are Lions’ natural enemies. A real rival, and Nebraska is just getting back to form now playing B-10 caliber D and ditching the Nintendo-12 offensive scheme. Epic!
Protected rivalry game
As nice as it’d be to have Penn State-Nebraska be the end-of-year game, more than likely it’d be Iowa-Nebraska. Right now Minnesota, Wisconsin and Iowa have sort of a rotation on who plays each other the last weekend of the year. Yet another thing to blame Iowa for, as we’ll be stuck with the stupid LG trophy the last weekend of the season.
Let's Go State!
Assuming two annual opponents, Nebraska likely gets Iowa and Wisconsin
The current annual opponents are in three separate “circles” of teams:
- Penn State always plays Ohio State who also always plays Michigan who also always plays MSU who also always plays PSU
- Northwestern always plays Illinois who also always plays Indiana who also always plays Purdue who also always plays NW
- Iowa always plays Minnesota who also always plays Wisconsin who also always plays Iowa
Minnesota always gets the best trophy games; besides the nice looking Governor’s Victory Bell they trade with us, they’ve also gotten their hands on Floyd of Rosedale (vs. Iowa), Paul Bunyan’s Axe and the Slab of Bacon (both v. Wisconsin). Keep those trophies annual, give Nebraska/Iowa the Golden Corn and Nebaska/Wisconsin the Husky Lineman, and call it a day.
We’ll have to rotate the 1994 National Championship on and off the schedule, or get three annual opponents.
That all becomes irrelevant when you add divisions to the mix.
If we stay at 12 teams, each team would have at least 5 rivals that they play every season.
by VVeRPennState on Jun 10, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
It it were up to me .....
I wouldn’t let Nebraska join until they admit we deserved the title in ’94.
Born and raised in the shadow of Mount Nittany
Which they might do...
…right after we admit McClosky was out of bounds in 1982.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
Don't admit a thing
That’ll make the fight for the trophy that much sweeter. If you say “yeah, he was OOB, here’s your trophy”, well…then…thanks. You just took the fun out of it.
Besides, everyone outside of PA knows you didn’t deserve a damn thing in ’94! :-D
ooh look, a nice little fire
let me just water it with this gas can
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 10, 2010 4:04 AM EDT up reply actions
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