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Some time ago our SBNation Michigan counterparts Maize-n-Brew started a series of posts called "Your Hate Makes You Strong: Players Michigan Football Fans Will Learn To Hate In 2010." It's actually a pretty good series where Dave picks one star player from each Michigan opponent and highlights them. I've been watching intently until he got to Penn State. I would have bet money Dave would pick Evan Royster, and I was right. It's not hard to see why Michigan fans would fear Evan Royster.


Evan Royster vs MichiganRushingReceiving
RushYardsAvgTDRecYardsAvgTD
2008 18 174 9.7 1 3 13 4.3 0
2009 20 100 5.0 0 2 24 12.0 0


For the most part, Dave's assessment of Royster is pretty good. MnB gives him ample props, though I think he gives Royster a little too much credit for toughness. Dave suggests Royster powers his way for the extra two yards at the end of the run. I would submit that Royster is actually better at getting sideways and deflecting the contact so he can fall forward for the extra yard or two, but that's neither here nor there.

I think Dave misses the mark a bit when he evaluates the contribution Daryll Clark made to the running game last year. (emphasis added)

What (Royster) is is a very solid Big Ten running back who pass blocks extremely well and doesn't shy away from contact. Watching him over the last few years it's readily apparent that he's benefited from running with Daryll Clark at quarterback in Penn State's version of the spread. Clark accounted for 7 rushing touchdowns last year and the treat of his wheels and elusiveness opened up some gaps that Royster gleefully rushed through. Without a senior QB running the offense and more importantly effectively running the ball, the offense has to run through Royster rather than whatever young quarterback takes the job. That makes this offense much, much less dangerous than it was the year before.

I have to strongly disagree with this. Clark was effective in the running game in short yardage situations. When the ball was on the one yard line or they needed one yard for a first down, Penn State usually opted to let Clark power his 240 lb frame for a quarterback sneak, or they would use a quarterback draw play if they were five yards out. This is why Royster only had 6 rushing touchdowns last year. Clark was stealing them all when Penn State got inside the five yard line. But Clark wasn't really that big of a threat to run the ball outside of short yardage situations.

Personally, I think they went to the quarterback sneak well a bit too much in this regard last year to the point it never surprised anyone when they did it. But other than short yardage situations, Clark was almost never utilized in the running game at all due to concerns about the depth on the bench behind him. He only gained 211 yards on 84 carries for an unimpressive 2.5 ypc. Unless Penn State was on the goal line, defenses were not worried about Daryll Clark running the ball. This allowed them to key on Royster when they expected Penn State to run without worring about what Clark was doing. 

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The other issue I have with the MnB post centers around his discussion of the Penn State quarterback situation. (emphasis added)
While the Lions do return three fine starting receivers, their Spring Game and Spring Practices gave everyone the impression that there are some serious issues under center and no one ready to take the reigns of the offense. Think Threet/Sheridan, except with a MUCH better supporting cast and without the system change.

I know the quarterbacks weren't supposed to be the focus of MnB's post, but I have to comment on this. I don't know what it is about the Michigan blogs, but they are absolutely convinced the Penn State quarterback situation is going to be a complete disaster of Steven Threet and Nick Sheridan proportions this year.

Now, I'm not saying Kevin Newsome is going to win the Heisman, but I think it's a bit early to compare Penn State's situation to Michigan's in 2008. Threet and Sheridan are two guys who had no business playing Division IA football, let alone starting at the University of Michigan. They had dead arms and ran the Rich Rodriguez spread option like their shoes were made out of cement. They were basically both beat out of the job the minute Tate Forcier stepped on campus. That's a disaster.

Penn State, on the other hand, has three guys on their roster who were ranked in the top ten for quarterbacks in their respective high school recruiting classes. Newsome is in his second year with the program. It's a bit premature to write him off already. It's not like they are raiding the IM flag football field looking for bodies. There is plenty of talent to work with with Kevin Newsome, Paul Jones, and Robert Bolden. Someone will rise to the top. And like Dave says, Penn State has talent and experience in all of the other positions. They just need someone to step on the field and keep the car out of the ditch.

Newsome showed in his limited playing time last year that he can be explosive in the running game. At the risk of drawing some other very poor comparisons, I see the Penn State offense looking a lot like the 2007 Illinois offense. A proven NFL-caliber running back (Mendenhall) and a young quarterback that can run like a race horse and also throw like one (Juice Williams). Putting aside comparisons to Bad Juice later in his career, the 2007 Illinois offense led the Big Ten in rushing and finished last in passing, yet they upset Ohio State and went to the Rose Bowl (where they got clobbered by USC, but that's beside the point). Penn State has Royster and Newsome to go with a good group of receivers and offensive linemen. I think that's all the offense they need. Plus one for having more on defense than just J Leman. But then minus fifty for not having J Leman, because who doesn't love America?

I think what we see at play here is a little bitterness from the Michigan fans. Remember, Newsome was their man at one time. He had committed to play for Michigan, but when Newsome saw Rich Rodriguez actively recruiting Tate Forcier after being promised they were only taking one quarterback, Newsome saw through the snake oil and decommitted. Now Wolverine fans claim Newsome wasn't Michigan material and want him to fail. They desperately want him to be the next Anthony Morelli so they can go back to laughing at Penn State again and restore the Force to it's proper balance in the Big Ten. Especially if it's at the expense of a kid who rejected them. Newsome's performance in the Blue-White game made them giddy with anticipation that it's going to happen.

But I don't know how many times I need to say this: Spring games mean nothing. If spring games mattered, Knowledge Timmons would have been an All American and Chris Rogers would have been a first round draft pick. Who? Exactly. They didn't run Newsome once, and if the coaching staff doesn't use him in the running game this year they deserve to be fired. Royster didn't play at all and they were shuffling the offensive line around, so the defense pretty much had the upper hand all day. I'll say it a thousand times: Spring games are not an indicator of future success or failure. The Penn State offense will be just fine this year regardless of who starts at quarterback.

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Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Jul 13, 2010 1:34 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm sick of the QB criticism

I know that we have QB’s with little or no experience at the college level, but c’mon! We have probably the best stable of RBs in the Big 10 right now, along with seasoned, talented WRs. The O Line might take some time to gel, but do you really think that we won’t be able to run the ball? This is Penn State we’re talking about. That’s our bread and butter. Even our detractors can’t figure that out. Clark has all those passing records, but they call him a running QB. He added another dimension to the game, but in no way was he the running threat of Robinson (future NFL RB).

by usn_kologi on Jul 13, 2010 1:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Kevin Newsome is David Cone

I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks

by Adam Jacobi on Jul 13, 2010 1:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Ricky Stanzi is John Navarre.

"My, my, my, my, my, my, my Mitchell. What would your mama say?"

by ReadingRambler on Jul 13, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

With less “big play” potential.

by KevinHD on Jul 13, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I always liked David Cone -

until he signed with the Yankees.

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Jul 13, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Think Threet/Sheridan, except with a MUCH better supporting cast and without the system change

Read as: don’t think Threet/Sheridan because it’s not the same thing.

by speedomike on Jul 13, 2010 1:43 PM EDT reply actions  

This does make me laugh.

If Threet and Sheridan had a better supporting cast and ran Lloyd Carr’s offense, they probably would win a lot of games.

by Cairo on Jul 13, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

They discredity Newsome, b/c he abandoned them

So they have to tow the party line “Newsome sucks, we’re better off w/out him.” We’d all pretty much be doing the same thing if we were them. The only thing that matters is 10/30. That’s the game by which Newsome’s first season will be remembered.

by millzners on Jul 13, 2010 1:51 PM EDT reply actions  

We did the same thing with Pryor

When he chose Ohio State, we all said that we would rather have Clark anyway. It wasn’t until later that Clark’s most important trait became apparent. Leadership.

by usn_kologi on Jul 13, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know anyone who said that.

Just said that he would have trouble beating Clark out. Didn’t like TP’s prima dona attitude but most everyone wanted him on the team. Of course now , everyone wants him to fail.

by BMAN13 on Jul 13, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really? My first post on this blog was something to the effect of “Are we sure Clark will stink without seeing him play?”

People didn’t know what to expect from Daryll.

"My, my, my, my, my, my, my Mitchell. What would your mama say?"

by ReadingRambler on Jul 13, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

You had a first post?

I always assumed Ramber:BSD::God:Universe… like you were here before BSD began and the evidence of your work was here before anyone else came.

by AdamShell on Jul 13, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Long before the Reading Rambler

There was the Horse n Buggy.

Actually, I think speedomike was the very first commenter here on BSD.

by BSD on Jul 13, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remind me to send

speedomike a package of PSU shaped macaroni for that honor.

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Jul 13, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, don't forget to send speedomike that package

Since joining the Big Ten, Penn State has a record of 103-2 in games where they score 30 points or more. Of course, which college football team doesn't have a similar record.

by jtothep on Jul 14, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have often wondered

Can anyone ever recall seeing them both in the room at the same time?

by BSD on Jul 13, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

I don’t know if you’re kidding…

my mind is half blown

by AdamShell on Jul 13, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does that mean we can pin

the STB pictures on Rambler?

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Jul 14, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great idea for a party game

Pin the STB picture on Rambler.

Since joining the Big Ten, Penn State has a record of 103-2 in games where they score 30 points or more. Of course, which college football team doesn't have a similar record.

by jtothep on Jul 14, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Just be sure to bring magnets...

pins and robots dont go well together. Then again, magnets and machinery also are a little testy together.

by bconway6 on Jul 14, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is more than a little mindblowing

I’ve tailgated with Horse N Buggy: had beers and thrown bags with. Even met his mom. Who Rambler never talks about—only his dad, his weather-focused granddad and now his mennonite tomatoes. Could it have been?….

Since joining the Big Ten, Penn State has a record of 103-2 in games where they score 30 points or more. Of course, which college football team doesn't have a similar record.

by jtothep on Jul 14, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stop speculating. I would never claim to be from Lanc uh ster County like that man.

"My, my, my, my, my, my, my Mitchell. What would your mama say?"

by ReadingRambler on Jul 14, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

This disagreement,

needs settled.

"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"

by psuphiman80 on Jul 14, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Nice

+1… my friend ALWAYS calls me on that.

by AdamShell on Jul 15, 2010 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

You Mike's

Have a long history together.

Since joining the Big Ten, Penn State has a record of 103-2 in games where they score 30 points or more. Of course, which college football team doesn't have a similar record.

by jtothep on Jul 14, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m more than a little creeped out by your BSD trivia knowledge.

by BSD on Jul 14, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

You and me both

I wish I knew how to quit you.

Since joining the Big Ten, Penn State has a record of 103-2 in games where they score 30 points or more. Of course, which college football team doesn't have a similar record.

by jtothep on Jul 14, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Three straight wins vs. Michigan

I won’t join Maize and Brew, so I can’t correct them directly on this point: They mention that no Penn State team has defeated Michigan three times in a row. That’s not true. We defeated them in 1994, 1995, and 1996.

by happyvalleytom on Jul 13, 2010 2:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Doesn't matter if we beat them 3 times in a row..

or 10. They’re Michigan and they’ll continue to think they’re the better team. Its in their genetics.

by Artiefufkin10 on Jul 13, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even if it was true

why is that something you’d bring up? Next year we’ll have to hear about how penn state has never out-rushed Michigan in the 3rd quater three times in a row.

by KevinHD on Jul 13, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bring it up because...

reading an article where MnB tries to compliment something about Penn State is pretty painful and seemingly non complimentary.

by Artiefufkin10 on Jul 13, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

(Not sure if it’s clear, but I’m talking about a michigan fan bringing up that “streak,” not you bringing up the mistake.)

by KevinHD on Jul 13, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

ahh..my bad.

i was just talking about general michigan arrogance. nothing to see here…move along.

by Artiefufkin10 on Jul 13, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

When you've been sitting

in a tiger cage in Nam for two years, you’ve got to cling to something to get you through another year.

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Jul 13, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe it was,

No PSU captain has beaten M 3 times in a row? He’s anticipating Royster being team captain, and sounds like he’s saying the 1996 captain wasn’t on the team in 94?

by PSUinBOSSton on Jul 13, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I take it back.

team OR captain. Now both he and I are wrong.

by PSUinBOSSton on Jul 13, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Running QB vs Mobile QB

It never ceases to amaze me that people can’t distinguish the two. Mike Vick is a running QB. Pryor is a running QB. Clark was a mobile QB who could evade the rush, but preferred to pass. And of course, QB14 was neither.

"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."

-Tony Hunt

by Cpiritual27 on Jul 13, 2010 2:17 PM EDT reply actions  

I miss the old Michigan fan bravado. Now they’re just taking thinly veiled pot shots which can be defeated with simple reason and a glance at a depth chart and recruiting rankings?

Lame.

"My, my, my, my, my, my, my Mitchell. What would your mama say?"

by ReadingRambler on Jul 13, 2010 2:33 PM EDT reply actions  

I think that my favorite part of "WE ARE PENN STATE"...

is the road warrior articles written by opposing bloggers. These rival blogger guys writing their piece for a PSU magazine – it must have been painful for a few of them not to include any disparaging remarks.

I’ve got to give credit to the OSU guy for coloring their fanbase in reality.

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Jul 13, 2010 3:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Definately agree...

His honesty made me gain some respect for Ohio State alumni, and it was a good read. I also liked the Bama entry.

by dontcallmescooter on Jul 13, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL thanks

I got a kick out of putting those together. Everyone is giving me these great reviews of where to go and what to eat and how everyone will be so nice to you. Then I get the Ohio State review and it’s basically, “There are drunk people everywhere and most of them aren’t nice to opposing fans, so watch out. And if you want to eat, get in your car because everything is too far away.”

by BSD on Jul 13, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I really

 just liked imagining the tension coursing through the writer as they tried not writing “Penn State Sucks – I hate you guys and hope you all get killed during your visit”.

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Jul 13, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t go to Damon’s in Columbus unless you want to end up in Soylent Scarlet.

"My, my, my, my, my, my, my Mitchell. What would your mama say?"

by ReadingRambler on Jul 13, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

"They desperately want to go back to laughing at Penn State again and restore the Force to it's proper balance in the Big Ten. "

If I have to turn into a Sith to keep PSU beating the wolverines, where do I sign up? Do I get a lightsaber and a bunch of people to go murder for the initiation?

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Jul 13, 2010 7:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Point of Clarification

“Verbal agreements aren’t worth the piece of paper they’re written on.”

The 2nd QB offered a scholarship in Kevin’s class was Shavodrick Beaver who also subsequently de-committed, Tate had publicly stated he intended to enroll at Michigan whether or not he was extended a scholarship.

Your snarky “snake oil” line, circa Joe Tiller, pertains to another Verbal who chose to go in another direction.

by A2Fan on Jul 16, 2010 10:25 AM EDT reply actions  

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