Nitt Picks Hates Straw Men
by BSD on Jul 13, 2010 9:55 AM EDT
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I have a pretty lengthy post for later in the day, but there are some newsworthy links out there I wanted to point out for you first.
Jay Paterno talked to the Daily Collegian about quarterback recruiting, and from the sounds of it, our days of recruiting guys like Anthony Morelli are over.
"If you can get a guy that can throw the ball and is athletic, you'd like that over a guy that's just stuck in the pocket, if they're similar throwing the ball," Paterno said. "If it's third and ten, and the left tackle gets beat, if you have a guy that can't evade anybody, you're punting the ball."
He noted a shift in the game, which he attributed to an emphasis on defensive line speed.
"There's so much athleticism and speed on defense, and everybody is out there trying to recruit the great pass rushers," Paterno said. "So you better have a guy that can make them at least hesitate a little bit, and make sure those defensive ends have to play contain."
I wholeheartedly endorse this endeavor.
Speaking of quarterbacks, it's hard to believe there are still people out there bitter about Pat Devlin leaving the program, but yet reporters still keep bringing it up.
The Big Ten Network is showing Penn State's unbelievably disappointing loss at Iowa in 2008 right now (Sunday night). The Lions, ranked No. 3 and undefeated in week 10, were up by nine in the fourth quarter and blew it.
The game remains a very bad memory to PSU fans for many reasons, not the least of which is the quarterback decision.
To many Lion fans, the game is still essentially the "Pat Devlin fiasco."
I'm calling B.S., Mr. Giger. I've never heard anyone refer to the "Pat Devlin Fiasco", and I charge that you just made that up to lend credibility to your story. Pat Devlin got beat by Daryll Clark, and he didn't want to wait until 2010 to play football, so he left. End of story. Get over it already.
I keep saying the real story for the 2010 team is going to be the offensive line. The Daily Collegian gives us an update from Stefen Wisniewski and Quinn Barham.
"We've certainly got some work to do still," Wisniewski said. "But we've got a month here until camp, and then we've got all of camp to get better. I think we can be where we need to be by the time the season starts."
I wasn't aware of this, but apparently recent Penn State defensive line verbal Shawn Oakman is a pretty good basketball player. So good, in fact, that the 6'8" 250 lb athlete is going to play basketball for Ed DeChellis too.
The 6-8, 250-pound Oakman verbally committed to the Nittany Lions on July 1. However, it looks like what is good for Joe Paterno is good for Ed DeChellis, too, as Oakman, also a Division I basketball prospect who has helped Penn Wood High School to two consecutive PIAA championship games, plans to play both sports for Penn State.
"They [the Penn State football coaches] encouraged it. They fully support it,'' Oakman said in a phone interview from a team camp at Albright College in Reading. "So, that will be good.''
In Scores Of Other Games
- Andrew Quarless has signed on with the Green Bay Packers. Good for him.
More BSD action later today.
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If Pat Devlin had been playing defense, we would have stopped 'em!
Devlin could have blocked Murray’s kick! But nooooo… What a fiasco!
I hope your sarcasm bell is working this early.
In that reporters defense,
I remember a decent amount of people thinking Devlin should have played against Iowa. After the game it was pretty widely believed that Clark wasn’t yet over his concussion from the previous week. While I agree that Devlin’s transfer probably has little to do with that game, it doesn’t stop either of those from being interesting “what ifs.” I am not bitter about it, but I think we would certainly be a top 10 team this year if Devlin was the QB.
It should be dubbed the
“Daryll Clark had recently suffered a major concussion and maybe should have sat out the game” fiasco if anything at all. Anybody still harping on how Devlin should have played or started is just someone who has issues with Joe and/or Jay and use that point as a vehicle for their problems.
Sorry.
It was the “Jeremy Boone fiasco” with an awful awful punt that put Iowa in range to score the TD in the 4th.
Then it was just PSU’s inability to stop them on 3rd down twice.
Clark wasn’t good, but he really didn’t perfrom badly. There were some incredibly high winds and the ball just sailed on him on the INT. Had Tyler Sash been wrapped up on the 15 yard line it might have been a different result. Even so, the other option would have been a punt.
PSU’s defense—which had been so disciplined—had some untimely penalties and Iowa made some plays to win the game. Devlin/Clark wasn’t the issue, it was gaps in the defense, a bad special teams play, and bad weather which made our offense one-dimensional.
"Jeremy Boone fiasco"
Wasn’t he huddled for heat between some boxes behind a Stacey Dales sideline report?
I remember that. It might have been Kelly.
"My, my, my, my, my, my, my Mitchell. What would your mama say?"
by ReadingRambler on Jul 13, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
It was Boone
Someone can educate me on how to post a picture in the comments. Otherwise, here’s photo evidence of a cold, cold day in the front row for that game. Why do I continue to attend PSU-Iowa contests?
Phil
Try this:
Right click on the original picture
Choose "Properties"
Copy (Cntl-C) the address of the image itself
Use the address of the link with the "Image" button on BSD (the little tree)
Check with the "Preview" button to make sure it works
I swear I feel colder just looking at that picture. Stay thirsty frosty, my friends.
alternatively, you can just put the link address in between two !
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 13, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
In this case, yes.
I just copied and pasted directions I had made for a previous thread, because using the link address doesn’t always work.
And they said Clark was a sad panda.
"My, my, my, my, my, my, my Mitchell. What would your mama say?"
by ReadingRambler on Jul 13, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
My word, I could watch some OAKMAN SMASH on the court.
"My, my, my, my, my, my, my Mitchell. What would your mama say?"
by ReadingRambler on Jul 13, 2010 10:40 AM EDT reply actions
Of course, I once got into an argument with OPS over whether or not Adrian Clayborn would be an awesome basketball player (I say yes).
"My, my, my, my, my, my, my Mitchell. What would your mama say?"
by ReadingRambler on Jul 13, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of...
Barham, who is preparing at left tackle, has a picture of Iowa all-conference defensive end Adrian Clayborn as the background on his phone, just to make sure he’s aware of him at all times.
Is Quinn Barham ReadingRambler?
No matter how many teams are in it, I will continue to dislike the Big Ten.
by Illegal Formation on Jul 13, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nope. Mine is below.
WHITE SPEEDSTER TIMMMY DEEE
"My, my, my, my, my, my, my Mitchell. What would your mama say?"
by ReadingRambler on Jul 13, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
There should be a penalty
For posting this picture. I still have nightmares from sitting in the pouring rain for that mess of a game.
How many times do you hear “Wally Richardson’s pass intended for so and so is incomplete” in your dreams?
"My, my, my, my, my, my, my Mitchell. What would your mama say?"
by ReadingRambler on Jul 13, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Not as many as I should
Repression maybe? One of my first memories, though, is Kerry Collins seemingly throwing every pass out of bounds against Notre Dame.
Oddly enough,
Clayborn actually played basketball in HS and was a four-time letter winner. I’m not sure that would have translated to basketball success at Iowa, though. Then again, “success” is a word not often used when discussing Iowa basketball of late.
by The Mexican't on Jul 13, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I KNEW IT!
The word is post, post for Rambler! Let every loyal Iowan sing! We’re gonna post, post for Rambler! Until the walls and rafters ring (Go Rambler!) We’re gonna post, post for Rambler until the game is won!
"My, my, my, my, my, my, my Mitchell. What would your mama say?"
by ReadingRambler on Jul 13, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Ahhh, Tebow everywhere!
No matter how many teams are in it, I will continue to dislike the Big Ten.
by Illegal Formation on Jul 13, 2010 10:46 AM EDT reply actions
I think a qualifier is in order here
Pat Devlin was beaten out by a HEALTHY Daryl Clark. I always agreed with that decision but Clark was by no means healthy for that 2008 Iowa game. I feel certain that had Paterno started Devlin for that particular game we’d have won it, not because I believe Devlin was the better QB at the time but because he was the healthier QB and perfectly able. Clark’s ability was impaired due to the lingering effects of his concussion and in order to protect his compromised coconut Paterno deliberately limited his playbook and restricted him to a game that was not his strong suit. That decision resulted in by far the worst statistical game in Clark’s PSU career, a bad loss, and will go down as one of the poorer decisions in Paterno’s career
I blame Spider
He should have brought the heaters.
Wait, he brings the heaters right? If not I’ll just default to my Jay hatred
but seriously on the subject
Iowa would have provided heaters for our sideline and they did offer to provide them to us. They have to under NCAA rules that state the home team is not allowed to have a technological advantage. Joe turned down Iowa’s offer to provide space heaters since he felt that the players tend to congregate around the space heaters and don’t keep their heads in the game and can’t be found when it’s time to substitute them into the game. FWIW, during the following offseason Joe took full repsonsibility for that loss due to his poor decsision making. He didn’t state which poor decisions cost us the game; whether it was refusing Iowa’s offer to provide space heaters, or deciding to start Clark over Devlin, or deliberately deciding to give Iowa the wind advantage in the 4th qtr. That was another real stinker of a decision. Joe reasoned that he wanted the wind at his back to open the 2nd half in order to use it to “put the game away in the 3rd qtr.” For a guy who always harps on football fundamentals, the decision to give Iowa the wind at their backs for the pivotal 4th qtr is simply mystifying. All three really bad decisions were contributing factors to the loss and it all goes sqaurely on JoePa’s shoulders. JayaPa gets a pass for this one.
Oh, did I forget to mention...
there were no space heaters on the sidelines!?!!?!?!? That led to one cold punter and you just can’t win a game with a cold punter. BTW, did you notice we had them on the sidelines in the Beav two weeks later for the frost bowl against MSU?
I blame a pink locker room
if you are already nauseated from a concussion that is sure to make it worse
Ia ora te natura, E mea arofa teie ao nei
Ua pau te maitai no te fenua, Re zai noa ra te ora o te mitie
SAVE THE GULF
Prove It
Maybe Devlin sucks just as bad as Clark did against Iowa. You can’t prove the Lions would have beaten Iowa had he played. What exactly had Devlin done to that point? Led two scoring drives against Ohio State where he didn’t complete a pass? Mop up work against Syracuse and Temple?
How was Clark by no means healthy for that game? Do you know a trainer on the staff or Clark personally? All you have to go on was the fact he played poorly, which doesn’t necessarily mean he was injured. Clark played like crap against the same Iowa defense in 2009 when he was completely healthy so maybe Ferentz and the Hawkeyes defensive staff just have players and a gameplan that are well suited towards stopping him? Also, Clark was coming off a mediocre performance against Ohio State so he was playing poorly leading up to that game as it was. Clark was two weeks removed from his concussion, a concussion that was minor enough that it didn’t even initially knock him out of the Ohio State game when it happened. IMO Clark’s injury against Ohio State had nothing to do with his poor performance that day. Iowa had been playing solid football all season and had lost several close games earlier in the year which hurt their overall record and they were a much better team than the rest of the nation had been giving them credit for. The Lions were coming off an emotional high by beating Ohio State and everyone had basically told them for two weeks that they had a cakewalk now to the national championship game.
And while Clark played poorly, lets not forget that when the offense left the field for the final time that evening Penn State was winning. It was the defense getting gashed by Iowa’s running game in the 4th quarter and Anthony Scirotto’s highly questionable pass interference penalty on the final drive that were bigger factors in that loss.
I think playing this “what if” game is a load of crap. Iowa beat PSU on that November evening fair and square. You’ll hear no excuses out of me and no finger pointing at the coaching staff or players. The coaches put the best players on the field to win and the players gave their best effort. It just wasn’t our night. PSU had a bad performance against a good opponent. End of story.
by catesinator on Jul 13, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
We really need to win a national championship and beat Iowa once or twice so we’ll stop talking about this.
"My, my, my, my, my, my, my Mitchell. What would your mama say?"
by ReadingRambler on Jul 13, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
here's my rationale for why Devlin should have been in instead of Clark
(and while reading this, realize that I am, and have always been a supporter of Clark. Even during the QB controversy I didn’t really choose sides, trusting the coaches, and only slightly favoring Devlin because then we’d get a 3 year starter instead of a 2 year starter. Once the decision was made by the coaches though, I was 100% pro-Clark)
supposedly the two were virtually identical in style and ability, but Clark had the slight edge going into the season. Maybe this was just PR by the coaches, but Devlin is doing fairly well for himself and is projected to the NFL. Not saying that makes him better than Clark, but he’s at least capable.
This plays a factor when there is a good chance Clark may not have been at his best. Normally I’d say “keep the starter in” because you don’t want to throw off the rhythm, but in this case (and specifically for a coaching decision I will mention in a second) I think Devlin should have been put in. Clark was clearly not as effective as he could have been, not necessarily because of his injury, but because of the way the coaches played him with that injury in mind. He was essentially not allowed to run, and while Clark wasn’t a run-first QB, taking away that ability will significantly change the way the defenses play us. They can now play the pass and the run by RB as well, without having to worry about what the QB will do if it isn’t a drop back into the pocket. Also, how many times did we see Derrick Williams line up in the backfield and/or take the snap? If we’re going to pass with Clark and run with Williams (yes I know he passed, too), why not just free up one player and use Devlin for both running and passing duties? Jay just said in the story to lead off this post that we’re staying away from the Morelli types (pocket passing QB only). In this Iowa game, Clark was essentially reduced to Morelli (a QB with a foggy mind who can’t run).
Maybe we still would have lost with Devlin in. Maybe Devlin would have thrown 3 interceptions and we would have lost in a blowout. But one thing is for sure: barring an injury to Devlin, this would have kept the defense more honest, giving us the advantage of a QB who can scramble for needed yardage.
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 13, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
i disagree about the best effort part at the end
to me, the entire team played like crap that day and it looked like they were just going through the motions the whole game. Penn State just didn’t bring their best effort in that game while Iowa did, which is why Iowa won.
Ferentz even said before the game that the only way they win is if PSU doesn’t bring their A game. He was right
and this post brings us to piss-poor JoePa decision #4 on the game..
Apart from being ill-natured, your post brings up a salient point. (and with a nod to JuggerNitt just below) If Clark was healthy enough to play and was, as you suggest, not still woozy from what was, in fact, a pretty serious concussion suffered just too weeks beforehand, then why did JoePa take away such a huge part of his game, i.e., the run? The Penn State O-line had trouble with Iowa’s defensive front four all game long. Not as bad as last year, but still enough trouble to disrupt PSU’s passing game. But in the first half, Clark scrambled out of trouble four times for 25 yards in gains for two first downs (including one on a critical 3rd and two situation to keep alive a scoring drive that otherwise would have faltered) and another setting up an easy 1st down conversion on 2nd and two on another scoring drive. The guy was effective in scrambling out of trouble and that alone would keep Iowa’s LBers on their toes and help open up the passing game. Then in the 2nd half Clark didn’t scramble out of trouble even once. Not once. Why not? Because during halftime JoePa called down from the press box to the locker room and ordered Clark to stop running, orders which Clark dutifully followed, and to just throw the ball away if he got into trouble, which Clark did many, many times over in the 2nd half. This is not something I just suspect to be true, this is something I know to be true. The reason JoePa did this is because he didn’t want to risk Clark taking any shots like the one that cracked his coconut in Columbus in the first place. Why would you do that with a healthy player? Why would you take a dual threat guy like Daryll Clark and turn him into Anthony Morelli? Especially if he’s healthy enough to play his own dual threat game as you insist he was? Either way this was a piss poor decision on JoePa’s part. If Clark was healthy then let him do what he does best. If he’s banged up so bad you have to change the playbook to protect him, all while you have a guy on the bench who is 1.) is perfectly healthy, and 2.) pretty damned capable as told by your own QB coach who indicated the backup was kneck and kneck with the starter right up until a week before the opener, then why not play the very capable and very healthy backup? The bad decision wasn’t necessarily to play Clark but it was to play Clark in a limited capacity and that just made no sense at all. Either let him play his own game or sit him down until he’s healthy enough to play his own game. With that I blame the loss on JoePa for this little bout wishi-washiness.
Wow, Jay Paterno can actually reason like a coach...
I thought he just, you know, let the QBs practice by playing some NCAA on PS3.
;-)
Not to be negative, but
that Collegian article makes the O-line sound like kind of a s#$t show. Wiz doesn’t exactly sound optimistic. I’m sure I’m reading too much into one article, but the O-line continues to contribute to my peptic ulcer.
No matter how many teams are in it, I will continue to dislike the Big Ten.
by Illegal Formation on Jul 13, 2010 10:56 AM EDT reply actions
Over the years this is what PSU offers
A stout defense and an Oline/QB combination that makes you wish they were a little better. As long as Joepa is at the helm this is what I expect. But they do say defense wins championships right.
Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils
Agreed...
…and I simply can’t share what appears to be the coaches’ confidence in Barham as our new Left Tackle. Pannell was subpar last year, by and large, but at least he gained D1 experience at the position. How many games has Barham started in his Penn State career?… and now he’s annointed as the starter at LT??? If we’re gonna put an unproven guy in there, why not go with Shrive or Gress and give them the chance to gain experience at the position?
I don’t know… I just hope I’m wrong and we get through the Bama, Iowa, and OSU games without debaucles similar to the ones we had last year.
I don’t want to say anything about Barham – he could be great for all we know. But I agree about Pannell. He got some quality playing time last year, but now he’s been asked to change positions, and he may not even start. Doesn’t make sense.
No matter how many teams are in it, I will continue to dislike the Big Ten.
by Illegal Formation on Jul 13, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I hear you...
…and I really hope he (Barham) steps up and takes charge of that position. Maybe he will, God willing. It just seems weird to me that they have so little confidence in Pannell that he’s probably gonna wind up coming off the bench (at a different position) even though he was previously a starter.
And then there’s the whole Shrive/Gress thing. They were both much higher profile recruits than Pannell and neither of them is even being discussed as a potential starter… at least from what I’ve read.
“They were both much higher profile recruits than Pannell "
This means absolutely nothing when evalulating who should start. No one here knows how well any of them are doing in practice. Once on campus stars mean nothing. They were evaluated with a higher potential. nothing else. Doesn’t even mean they have a higher potential.
Well...
…one thing you said is obviously true. (1) “No one here knows how well any of them are doing in practice.” We’ll get reports during August, however, which will better inform our opinions.
However, as you obviously know, stars aren’t handed out arbitrarily. Scout and Rivals do some amount of research, so to speak. So, when you land a five star guy, like Shrive, who was also ranked number one in the country at his position, it only makes sense to have some amount of faith that he’s gonna be starter material. Obviously, he might not, but you go in believing that he has a better chance than almost anyone else.
Now, I’m not advocating giving Shrive or Gress the nod on stars alone. That was obvious, wasn’t it? I’m just scratching my head at the idea that Barham’s the best guy for the job. Apparently, if we trust the coaches, he is. So, maybe I’m just secodn guessing the coaches on this. We’ll see how things play out. In all, I’ll hardly be surprised if mid season comes around, the deck gets shuffled, and Pannell ends up back where he started (at LT).
your choice to believe in a system
that is more about money than accuracy. I trust the coaches and have never gotten hung up on who was supposed to be good coming out of high school.
Pannell made the switch mid season
He actually played well at LG against MSU and LSU so I’m not surprised to see him there. Additionally, Troutman was looking a little soft in the LFL pictures. He’s definitely got the talent but I don’t know how many more chances he’ll have to get out of the dog house if he’s not in shape.
Like last year these guys will dominate the weeker opponents. I don’t think will know much until we see them in Alabama.
by Frank O'Brien on Jul 13, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
That's right
You’re correct, Frank. I think it followed the Iowa trainwreck, where Binns had his way with Pannell so badly that the coaches saw fit to replace him with Poti (or maybe McCormack?) when they came back after the half. After that, Pannell became a LG for the remainder or the season.
It’s just another stinkin’ season where we have a lot of great pieces in place, but the offensive line is one of the major question marks. I mean, what the hell? As I said above, I really hope Barham (and Pannell and Troutman) do well. Unfortunately, I have absolutely no reason to trust that the coaches are making the best personnel decisions or doing everything possible to prepare our players to compete at the level they need to compete at to be effective in our league. Our history of O-line troubles speaks for itself.
guess you didn't notice the improvement in the bowl game.
I did but hey, you think the coaches stink and don’t choose the best players because they must not want to win as much as you.
Huh.
Good news about Oakman playing basketball. Is he technically considered a walk-on or does his scholarship count for both sports?
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I believe
He can have a scholarship for one and walk on for the other.
That's huge
He may not be very good, but it certainly doesn’t hurt to have literally a free bigger guy on that bench.
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by Adam Bittner on Jul 13, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
he got offers from Big East programs, if I recall.
so, that’s like ESSSSSS EEEEEEE CEEEEEEEE speed on the hardwood, right?
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Agree with STU.
Pretty sure NCAA rules prohibit using one sport’s schollie for other sports. Else, we’d have some big uglies on the tennis team.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jul 13, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Hahahaha.
That would be so terrific. What sport do we do the worst? Sailing? Can we have some 320lb lineman on scholarship for the sailing team?
by PSUinBOSSton on Jul 13, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
gymnastics
300lbs and the pommel horse do not go well together.
Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils
I'd be worried about them breaking the rings.
"I did my walk of shame this morning and everyone was so much nicer," she said. "People were inviting me to parties at 9 a.m."
Kind of like these guys...
Unfortunately I couldn’t find a picture of Weensie’s vault routine.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
I think it counts against both, but it definitely counts against the FB team.
Got more suits than Jacoby and Meyers.
by Run Up The Score on Jul 13, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm fairly certain Jordan Norwood walked on
But he went through the process of it all…the way they seem to be just assuming Oakman will play basketball made me a little confused.
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by Adam Bittner on Jul 13, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Mobile quarterbacks.
Morelli’s problem wasn’t lack of mobility, but decision-making. Decision-making and accurate passing are far more important than mobility, IMHO. Clark will be remembered for his passing.
it isn't black and white like that.
basically, being mobile allows you more time to make decisions, since it prevents the defense from over-pursuing and just gunning straight for the QB.
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 13, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, really.
“Penn State to recruit more black quarterbacks.”
"My, my, my, my, my, my, my Mitchell. What would your mama say?"
by ReadingRambler on Jul 13, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
but, but, but
mobility isnt about just scrambling either, its being able to sidestep and make them miss, see Collins, K.
Ben and Alex... first commits for 2024, but temporarily replaced, since i couldnt resist the sign
I never said anything about scrambling
just preventing the defense from overpursuing and gunning straight for the QB. Scrambling keeps them back a bit, while side-stepping means they can’t just dive straight at you and are instead forced to contain and make a form tackle. Morelli was not mobile in any way that I could see.
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 14, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't like reading this comment
BSD linked to in altoona mirror
“With Savon, I just talked to him,‘’ Carter said. "He still likes Penn State, but they haven’t been showing him much love."
Show him some love, damnit!
Agree 100% with you charge
In fact, when a “journalist” insists on putting something like
To many Lion fans, the game is still essentially the “Pat Devlin fiasco.”
in an article, my first inclination is to ask them “Name three!”.
"the secret to loving your job is having a hobby that you really despise"
What's with all this 'End of Story' horseshite?
Mike and catesinator both throwin that around like it’s got some meaning. Looks to me like we should invite mgosullivan back in here for a revisitation of the irony theme. This may be taking some assumptive liberties, but is Giger’s straw man the throwing out of the ‘Pat Devlin Fiasco?’ What’s the difference between putting that out there for discussion (to be knocked down, if continuing the straw man theme) and you putting up Giger’s quote for bsd to knock down?
Pat Devlin got beat by Daryll Clark
That was in August 2008. Pretty much the Beginning of Story. As late as August 25, JoePa hadn’t yet selected who won and said:
""I think I’ve made it clear that I would prefer to play one quarterback," Paterno said, “but the way the game is played today, where the quarterback is really physically so much more involved in it, I think you’ve got to be careful that you’re ready with two.”Anybody think I’m out of line stating Devlin was the sole holder of that #2 spot? Some other pertinent facts somewhere near the Middle of Story:
- Pat Devlin, second-string QB, ready as JoePa wanted, scored the winning touchdown for our first victory in the Horseshoe in 30 years.
- Derrick Williams, first-string WR, took multiple snaps from center, in the next game two weeks later; second-string QB did not play
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After that, it got pretty effed up, from both sides. Devlin and his parents waited til 12/8 (season ended 3wks earlier), met with JoePa at his house and according to Joe expressed desire to transfer. Joe added that he
saw “it was obvious that [Devlin] was going to leave.” The coach then made an offer. “I said, ’Wouldn’t you like to come out to the Rose Bowl?’” Paterno said. The coach immediately added, “Which I probably should not have said.” Paterno knew it may not be a good scenario for his team to have a player whose heart and mind are elsewhere. Devlin responded by telling JoePa, “It’s up to you, coach.” “When I thought about it,” Paterno said, “I thought it might be a distraction.”
Everybody has a right to characterize events however they like, of course. Especially in blogistan. But here it’s hardly ever End of Story.
Since joining the Big Ten, Penn State has a record of 103-2 in games where they score 30 points or more. Of course, which college football team doesn't have a similar record.
You make a good point
but I think the argument is more like… Devlin couldn’t beat out Clark for the starting spot in 2008, so he ceded it to Clark in 2009 by transferring… basically allowing Clark to “beat” him to it. I don’t remember if Devlin knew for sure that Clark would have an extra year of eligibility at that point, but I still think he saw the writing on the wall.
And Geiger even makes that point… I mean… I guess I just don’t understand the premise of the article. It seems somewhat pointless (and it probably is… it’s mid-July afterall).
He could have had one good run at QB with a heckuva schedule to prove his worth. He’s one guy that I’ll always wonder, “What if?” especially with us going down to Tuscaloosa this year, but really, there’s no point in floating that out there at all because Devlin made the choice and after that choice, regardless of the reasons he made it, he left no direct impact on the 2010 football squad… so Devlin isn’t the problem.
I just talked around in circles…
Circles?
You have a truly dizzying intellect!
(Quick – what’s the movie reference?)
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Jul 14, 2010 7:04 AM EDT up reply actions
omg, just ondemanded that for the first time the other night
I lol’d, lmao’d, r’dotfl, all that sh*t. For some reason that storyline about the bell hop you knew was gonna lose an arm just hit me in the right spot and when he was trapped in the elevator, I was uncontrollable. Hadn’t laughed like that in years. Years, I tell you! I was cackling and so impressed at its cleverness and the possibility it could get me going throughout the rest of the movie. All of which made it a little heartbreaking when he finally did lose it in a (relatively) lame way. Other than that and the lack of hotness of Cusack’s eventual girl, I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Since joining the Big Ten, Penn State has a record of 103-2 in games where they score 30 points or more. Of course, which college football team doesn't have a similar record.
I watched it last week
and I want my 2 hours back
I LOVE me some John Cusack, but I could not get into this movie
Ia ora te natura, E mea arofa teie ao nei
Ua pau te maitai no te fenua, Re zai noa ra te ora o te mitie
SAVE THE GULF
Wifey's a big Cusack fan
But noted after this that he doesn’t look so good. I thought the stereotype is that guys age well.
Since joining the Big Ten, Penn State has a record of 103-2 in games where they score 30 points or more. Of course, which college football team doesn't have a similar record.
I have it, but have
yet to watch.
One thing about Cusak – going back to Say Anything (or before – Better off Dead?) is that his character always seems to wear a black trench coat and combat boots. You can probably list 10 movies without giving much thought.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
Princess Bride?
Are we gonna finally gonna tailgate this fall or what dude? Are you and your pops going to Alabama?
Since joining the Big Ten, Penn State has a record of 103-2 in games where they score 30 points or more. Of course, which college football team doesn't have a similar record.
Yeah
I fell victim to one of the classic blunders— the most famous of which is “never get involved in a land war in Asia.” But only slightly less well known is this: “Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line!” And then, right after that is never talk yourself in circles in Blogistan! dies
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