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Reaction to Penn State Basketball's Non-Conference Slate

Well it's July, and believe it or not, there aren't many people talking about Penn State basketball.

The ones that are, though, are submitting mixed reviews of the Nittany Lions' newly released 2010-2011 non-conference schedule.

First, reaction from Ryan at Linebacker U who isn't crazy about it.

My initial thoughts...YAWN! Just three teams from major conferences. And one of those, Maryland, was guaranteed as part of the Big 10 ACC Challenge. Forgive me if I'm not excited by Virginia Tech or Mississippi, neither of which managed to make the NCAA Tournament last year. And Maryland? Greivis Vasquez, last I checked, was drafted by the Memphis Grizzlies.

...

But this schedule does very little for me. It may be better than the '08-'09 season, but I give it an overall grade of a C+.

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The 2008-2009 season Ryan talks about, of course, was Penn State's NIT championship season, during which the Lions were snubbed out of an NCAA Tournament bid in large part because of their weak non-conference opponents. The worst part of that year's schedule was that, as we talked about yesterday, Penn State hung a lot of its RPI hopes on an ill-fated match up with Villanova in the Philly Hoops Classic.

That upside doesn't exist in the 2011 schedule.  Penn State is playing the teams on the page, so that could be a strike against it.

The CDT took a decidedly more positive outlook on things yesterday morning, calling it "tougher."

Penn State men's basketball coach Ed DeChellis has received far more criticism for the non-conference schedules his team has put together in recent years than he has for any game-time coaching decision.

But the Nittany Lions’ latest non-con slate, released Wednesday by the university, shouldn’t put them at any major RPI disadvantage.

Eight of the 11 opponents, including 2010 NCAA Tournament teams Maryland and Lehigh, had winning records last season, and all but Furman (278) and Central Connecticut State (309) had 2010 RPI of at least 184.

Penn State finished the season with an RPI of 194.

Despite the more positive tone, though, "shouldn't put [Penn State] at a major RPI disadvantage" is hardly a ringing endorsement.

In fact, CDT readers are even less optimistic about the schedule's chances of being a positive for Penn State. As of this posting, more than half of respondents in a reader's poll attached to the article say the non-conference slate is still too weak.

Victory Bell Rings broke down the schedule last week after several opponents were leaked before the schedule was officially announced.
For the most part this is the schedule Penn State needs. Tough games on the road, and teams that should win a good number of games in their own conference. Only time will really tell how this will play out, but for right now things aren’t looking as bad as they could.
Finally, there is a considerably long thread about the schedule going on at PennStateHoops.com. The reactions are all over the board there.

Commenter Finding Forrester...

In my opinion there are no great games, but several decent games (Maryland, VT, Ole Miss, Fairfield, Duquesne, St Joes), a couple toss up games (Lehigh, MSM, Radford) and two most likely really bad games (CCS and Furman).  Just shooting from the hip, I bet you get 7 games against teams in the top 200 RPI (which is pretty good), 2 more in the 200-250 range and then 2 over 250.   I don't like the games against CCS and Furman but I guess I really can't complain otherwise except that there's no wow factor to the schedule.  Also, I had visions of BYU and the 76 Classic so I think I was going to be somewhat unhappy regardless.

I'm guessing we go 7-4 against that schedule.


It would appear that like most things with Penn State basketball, many are lukewarm at best with this schedule. The general consensus seems to be it's not an incredibly challenging schedule, but it's probably right about where Penn State needs it to be to balance their competitive ability and their chances of making the NCAA tournament.

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C
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It's not bad.

Actually, I think it’s a rather responsible schedule for the type of team we have. A few tough road games, a game against Maryland, and a bunch of teams we theoretically should beat but won’t be walkovers.

In terms of interest, it’s a B. In terms of finding the appropriate level of difficulty given the current state and goals of the program, it’s an A.

by Run Up The Score on Jul 16, 2010 3:15 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

It is pretty funny

It’s kind of getting the cart in front of the horse to say let’s schedule really tough competition thinking that will attract better talent to play for us. Or we’ll just get the same players we always get and lose every game by 30 points.

by BSD on Jul 16, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You forgot the "E" grade.

"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."

-J.V.Pa.

by psume06 on Jul 16, 2010 4:37 PM EDT reply actions  

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by Adam Bittner on Jul 16, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

but I guess that's the point

if you read at the 4th grade level, and you are in 6th grade that’s bad, but if you read at the 4th grade level, and are in the 6th grade special ed classes, that’s pretty good.

by The JuggerNitt on Jul 16, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

a solid B

We did exactly enough to let us be successful without trying too too hard.

John has a long moustache

by AdamShell on Jul 16, 2010 5:06 PM EDT reply actions  

I give it a "C"

It’s useless to mount a truly vicious non-con schedule if you can’t win any of the games. That said, I find it truly amusing that a roadie to Virginia Tech is one of the tougher games – there’s the ACC’s version of Penn State right there. I do hope Battle gets to play in the Big Dance, though. All he needs is a little help from his friends (hint, hint, other guys).

by Eric Angevine on Jul 16, 2010 5:33 PM EDT reply actions  

"there's the ACC's version of Penn State"

so a pretty good matchup, yes? Though I suppose it would be nice to have that team on our schedule which could give us the possibility of an upset

by The JuggerNitt on Jul 16, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

We're Penn State! We're not very good (Even I will admit that)

Maryland and Virginia Tech will both look good on our resume and we’re playing in what may be the best conference this year. We don’t need to play Duke or Syracuse and I don’t think we should.

There is fire at the travel agency.

by ReadingRambler on Jul 16, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

My man!

I demand you all go read Eric’s other blogs.

by Run Up The Score on Jul 16, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isn't VT the 3rd most

winningest ACC basketball program since they made the move from the BE?

I know they have tradionally not been that great, but they’ve been doing something right lately.

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Jul 19, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

A

Not too hard, not too soft. Sort of a relative grade. It’s the right schedule for a team of this potential quality.

by gcdyersb on Jul 16, 2010 5:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I gave it a B

Sets this team up for an invite if they perform, gives them a shot at the NIT if they don’t.

by BMAN13 on Jul 16, 2010 5:42 PM EDT reply actions  

A+!

Thanks, Coach DeChellis!

There is fire at the travel agency.

by ReadingRambler on Jul 16, 2010 6:12 PM EDT reply actions  

LOL!

East Stroudsburg and Central Conneticut State? Are these made-up schools?

by Mr. Rosewater on Jul 16, 2010 6:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I give it a B..

There’s a few pretty interesting matchups, and a few games that are meant to be wins… The schedule gives PSU a chance to go into Big Ten play feeling good, but also gives us the opportunity to turn a few heads… I am, however, disappointed that we won’t be playing BYU in New York.. I felt like that could have been a fun game to watch no matter the outcome…

Also, don’t sleep on Lehigh.. I do think we will win that game, but they are a pretty legitimate team.. I kind of felt like they got robbed last year by being a 16 seed.. and even then they gave the best team in the country all the could handle (for a while).

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by BSmith717 on Jul 16, 2010 7:19 PM EDT reply actions  

The only thing I care about WRT the non-conference schedule is how much it helps to get us to the NCAA tournament. This one should be effective to do that, if we are a good enough team to get the necessary wins. I don’t care about the lack of sex appeal games, I care about the lack of RPI killers. Even the bad ones on this OOC schedule like Central Conn aren’t that awful and they are few.

This is more or less the type of schedule we should have. Would I like to see one more top conference team or an elite team over Va Tech or Ole Miss? Sure, but those are quibbles, not real complaints. Actually I wouldn’t have minded seeing one of the cupcake games on the road, since you get extra credit for road wins versus home ones but it’s not a huge deal (though it’s also nice to build confidence if you can get a win on the road even against a lesser opponent).

by Laaaaazzz on Jul 16, 2010 9:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Funny

Wow, just wow. They could expand the NCAA tournament to 100 teams and this team will still be left home for the dance. Note to fans, Va Tech is better than PSU so why would you schedule even harder teams. PSU is not at the level of Kansas, Duke, UNC, etc. and therefore has no business scheduling those teams. It is a limping Big 10 team. The only thing that will help get this mess to any tournament is wins, which will only come against the weakest competition. Now, if Ed were to suddenly recruit some studs and build a contender then he should schedule tougher games. Bu, who knows when that will occur…

by Rednecklion on Jul 20, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

No joke, we can’t make a tournament (except for the NIT: The Not Invited Tournament) no matte how hard Seth screams and yells, and takes off his coat and jumps up and down on it. But at least Seth tried to validate scheduling Penn St. a year ago. He claimed that since you guys had one of you best season’s in your basketball history in winning the NIT, that he thought a home-and-home was a good call. I mean, not to be too critical, but you couldn’t have won ONE more conference game for us!? Haha, jk. But, yeah, Penn State was scheduled hastily, just like Georgia, who if you’ll remember won the SEC Tourney in unlikely fashion, so Seth scheduled them to a home-and-home too. But 194th RPI is BADDDDDDD, and no matter how much Seth tries to dance around it, some of it is at least his fault. I just am against letting the three teams behind Tech that Tech beat into the tournament despite worse records and in GT’s case a LOSING conference record.

by chicagomaroon on Jul 20, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

"This is more or less the type of schedule we should have."

Pretty much. I’d like for them to schedule one suicide game. Nothing to lose. How long ago was it that we won at Kentucky?

by Run Up The Score on Jul 16, 2010 9:47 PM EDT reply actions  

My question about that:

How many top ten teams are willing to schedule us.

Oh, and that game was in 2000 or 2001.

There is fire at the travel agency.

by ReadingRambler on Jul 16, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is a problem.

with last yr’s 194 RPI, no one decent wants to play PSU, too good of a team to take a chance on with a horrible RPI.

by BMAN13 on Jul 17, 2010 4:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

How much to top 10 teams

really care about RPI? I mean it certainly is an issue, but I’ve also found the discussion centers around which top team played in the better conference.

by KevinHD on Jul 17, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah,now that I think about it, I'd imagine the RPI only REALLY matters for likely bubble teams

though I could see fans getting pissed off at dropping in seeding because of a poor game against PSU, or something along those lines.

by The JuggerNitt on Jul 17, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

seriously

where is the laughter emocon. “too good of a team to take a chance on…” funny stuff. Good teams don’t want their RPI watered down by a pathetic 194 RPI. No team with any talent fears a loss to PSU especially if PSU goes on the road.

by Rednecklion on Jul 20, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whatever. PSU generally sucks, but have enough talent to beat a good or even great team on a given night. That’s a double wammy for exactly what BMAN has said — we’re bad enough that we hurt a team’s RPI even if they win and we’re good enough that we might even win.

by Laaaaazzz on Jul 21, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

thanks for the back up, I figured after reading a couple of his posts he wasn’t worth responding to.

by BMAN13 on Jul 21, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

clearly, that's the problem.

everyone remembers us going into Rupp and handing Kentucky a beat down. Therefore, no one will schedule us!

(or something like that).

by Tailgate Shogun on Jul 17, 2010 7:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Off topic:

Can we get a countdown to PSU Football’s first game?

I have seen some of the other sites, Oregon is coming to mind, that has a countdown to kickoff.

Would just be something fun to look forward too.

You may now go back to your regularly scheduled PSU basketball conversation.

Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
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by EREX21 on Jul 17, 2010 9:55 AM EDT reply actions  

the countdown to EA College Football 2011 wasn't enough for you?

There used to be a countdown timer on the right side of the page that counted down until the next game. I don’t see it anymore. In previous years we’ve also had more posts like this but I don’t think anyone is really enthusiastic about doing that this year. 2 years ago I think Mike handled it, but only did it for like 20 and down. Last year Rambler did it from 99 (Brandon Ware) down, though some numbers were quite torturous for him (especially given his added criteria of trying to not use active players).

This year there have been sporadic countdowns. I don’t know if Junny will keep it up or not. I guess we’ll find out today.

by The JuggerNitt on Jul 17, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well as much as I appreciated the EA College Football 2011 countdown…that doesn’t excite me nearly as much as PSU’s actual kickoff. Despite them opening against the Little Sisters of the Poor.

Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
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by EREX21 on Jul 17, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

REALLY...NOT EXCITED ABOUT TECH!?

I am not trying to come in here and create a stir, but I don’t know why you would not be excited by Virginia Tech. They are pre-season Top-25 by about every pundit that has put one out, they return a whopping 98.5% of their scoring, only losing a total of 38 points, they add a transfer who was the #79th overall player in the nation his senior year, they add a scoring PG who was 9 points short of topping Wilt Chamberlain in Philly High school scoring history, they add the #63 overall player from this year’s recruiting class, and they went 25-9 (10-6) from a team that yeah, you are right did not make the NCAA Tournament…somehow…despite having 10 wins in the ACC (first time in history of the tourney that an ACC team with such a record was excluded) and tying for 3rd in the conference, while schools 4,5,6, AND 7 were all admitted to the tourney…oh yeah, and did I mention WE RETURN 98.5% of our scoring! We also start 4 seniors and a junior. We are the prohibitive favorite to finish second to Duke in the ACC next year, and some people are even speculating that we could win the ACC outright with the departures of Scheyer, Thomas, and Zoubeck. So when you say that you’re not excited about Virginia Tech as an opponent for Penn State, I don’t know what you would be thinking.

by chicagomaroon on Jul 18, 2010 2:19 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree. VT is great on the schedule

Don’t know why people don’t look into the teams more before they complain. VT got screwed last year like PSU the year before. PSU game hurt VT last year with PSU’s 194 rpi. I think its a nice opponent that I would like to see every year and may lead to a football series sometime.

by BMAN13 on Jul 18, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks BMAN

Thank you BMAN, AND it was an extremely competitive game last year, taking a well-defended (but with a good amount of contact) Talor Battle missed layup at the buzzer to seal the deal. Conference woes or not, I always like to see teams on the schedule that can produce games/finishes like that.

by chicagomaroon on Jul 18, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really wouldn't take it too much to heart

There are large legions of casual Penn State basketball fans who will trash everything/anything related to the team just because they can. In this case, VTech was just collateral damage.

And yes, I’m very glad to see VTech on the schedule.

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by IcersGuy on Jul 18, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can understand the casual fans reaction.

If you’re not a regular follower of the Tech program, the label in your mind probably includes some combination of an angry Seth Greenberg press conference and a half baked NIT run that ends before MSG.

Is that fair? Probably not, but I can understand how some could be critical, or at least not thrilled about having Tech on the schedule. That, and the Hokies beat Penn State last year…so I can understand it, whether I agree with it or not.

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by Adam Bittner on Jul 18, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

And it’s not so much “Va Tech sucks” as the idea that unless we are playing some elite school (Kansas, Duke, Syracuse, Kentucky, etc.) that the OOC schedule is bad. Playing “good” teams without big names doesn’t satisfy casual fans who barely watch PSU hoops anyway.

Va Tech — especially on the road — is a great opponent for PSU.

by Laaaaazzz on Jul 18, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well said guys, and fair or not fugimaster24, it’s at least some kind of a reality. My roommate always jokes he must be yelling “THAT WAS THE BEST CALL EVER! WATCH ME I’M GOING TO GIVE YOU AN EVIL LOOK AND THEN INVITE YOU TO DINNER!” And I’d say it’s somewhat fair, because snubbed or not, that is exactly where we ended up the last 3 years. Thanks for the support though. I can’t wait to see you nittany lions in the burg. We owe you some extreme gratitude for your post April 16, 2007 support. Also, I’ve just always kind of had an appreciation for and an enjoyment of the football program, even though recently you guys have won 4-5 in state recruits over us, including royster and newsome. :(

by chicagomaroon on Jul 18, 2010 6:38 PM EDT reply actions  

i'm not the only person who....

See’s all these people leaving and us having a skeleton program and on top of that have an easier schedule. i like it!! it’ll give us some wins and maybe some confidence! If we scheduled Duke, and Kansas and the other big schools, i’d chalk that up now as 20 point losses and why would anyone want to watch that? and why would they schedule that game? So yea, i like us scheduling easier teams that give us a good run, but could be a good win as well. maybe we’ll get 20 wins again and get into the NIT or something. Who knows! But if we had a rough schedule and didn’t get 10 wins, and lost all our games by 20 points, i think we’d see a mass exodous from the team, and another loonnngggg summer of ho hum talk of the bball team…. OK!! Football season!!

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by PSULion29 on Jul 19, 2010 8:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Please people
during which the Lions were snubbed out of an NCAA Tournament bid in large part because of their weak non-conference opponents

Can we stop saying this? Yes, a stronger OOC schedule is preferable to a weaker one, assuming the win % stays the same, and PSU’s OOC slate in 08-09 was garbage. This much is obvious, and this much I’ll grant.

The truth is that PSU did not miss out on the tournament that year due to their schedule, no matter what the official word from the selection committee was. PSU missed the tournament because the selection committee thought PSU had the 8th worst resume out of the Big Ten, and the committee was not going to let 8 B10 teams in, period. A stronger OOC SOS would have improved that resume only if PSU had won those OOC games and maintained their health for the B10 slate, which is no given.

Penn State missed the tournament because the people in charge felt obligated to give multiple bids to the PAC-10 and SEC, something neither league deserved even a little, and because the team finished 5-5 with a home loss to a meh Wisconsin team and a road loss to a bad Iowa team.

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