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DAMMIT!

I saw the headline about Paterno hurting recruiting, and fully expected a url containing the letters ‘altoonamirror’ to pop up when I moused over it. Do I at least get credit for being in the right quadrant of the state?

"Nothing turns me on like doe estrus." - ReadingRambler

by leeharvey418 on Jul 20, 2010 10:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Mussleman's an expert?

So says boy genius Rittenberg on tWWL. I believe Pennlive had the exact same headline a couple of years ago then out of no where the staff puts together a couple of very good recruiting classes. Now we’re right back on the bottom again. These “journalists” are full of incredible insight.

by Frank O'Brien on Jul 20, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's so easy to piss out an article like that

It’s like the five years of “Joe must go”. Also, Lemming lost all credibility with me with the statement, “he’s an NFL player right now”. That’s just atupid, this isn’t basketball.

by cpm126 on Jul 20, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe he meant an

“NFL ready body”. Wait – why I am I trying to rationalize Tom Lemming?

Did Lemming have credibility with you before that statement? Mike Farrell came out looking amazingly balanced.

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Jul 20, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

And its interesting that Mussleman’s article fails to relate how Paterno is actually hurting recruiting despite the headline. I read this Sunday morning in the print version and without noticing the byline assumed that it was Paul Zeise. While there might be some merit to the concept – the article, at certain points, contradicts its headline. Thus, you have the print version of a teaser which, for anti Joe and Penn State folks, did not deliver.

Also, congrats to Curt Warner – my childhood hero.

by cwarner28 on Jul 20, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Paterno and recruiting

Paterno I believe is hurting recruiting by being sick…which is what the article sort of alluded to. But…let’s face it, even when he’s healthy, he both hurts and helps recruiting. Penn State has had really good classes the last couple of years, but this year we are back to struggling. The reason not being Paterno so much, but rather stubborness to actually go and offer MUCH earlier than we typically do. The article correctly points out 3 kids that were essentially locks for PSU change their minds EARLY because of a total perceived lack of interest from PSU. Once a younger energetic coach takes over, things on the recruiting front will be VERY good.

by PSUFalcon on Jul 20, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope your right...

…but that is not what I read. You never know. Personally, it’s early to panic. There are still a number of kids we have targeted that if we land, people will forget all about supposed recruiting issues.

My concern is that we are not consistent year after year…that to me is the bigger issue.

by PSUFalcon on Jul 20, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

You read it?

Oh, well, if it was on the internet . . .

by PSUinBOSSton on Jul 20, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol...so true.

…but I am not a blind optimist. It is what it is…we have 3 recruits committed so far…only one of which anyone else really wanted. And everyday, more and more blue chippers are going elsewhere. It’s not good…say what you want, spin it how you want…it’s simply not good. Something is different this year than the last two years…I don’t know.

by PSUFalcon on Jul 20, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't really follow recruiting,

but are Penn State targets really committing elsewhere on a regular basis?

No matter how many teams are in it, I will continue to dislike the Big Ten.

by Illegal Formation on Jul 20, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes...but...

They are, but that happens every year to an extent. It’s magnified by the fact that we only have 3…one of which is considered good (if you believe in the STARS). We are ranked 65th in Scout right now…that’s pitiful this late in July for a program like Penn State. Every year OSU and Tex and Bama and other major programs have a dozen recruits at least by now…but for some reason, we are like Temple this year…lol. I mean…we lost 3 guys in NJ to Pitt!! That’s bad…

by PSUFalcon on Jul 20, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

even if we filled every scholarship slot we have

with 3+ star athletes we wouldn’t be ranked very high because this is a small class to begin with.

by The JuggerNitt on Jul 20, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

The dumbest quote in the recruiting article

is:

“If he’s not out there on the road matching up against the Urban Meyers and Lane Kiffins of the world, it is not going to help your program; it is only going to hurt it.

I don’t know about you but I’m real worried about Lane Kiffin… And Urban Meyer might fall over from a heart attack before JoePa retires.

Besides that most rosters have players that are mainly from the home region, so you’re looking mostly to secure your home base anyway.

by Joe 96alum on Jul 20, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

He forgot that Mac Brown never leaves UT to recruit.

he has stated that he wants players that want to go to UT, not that he has to chase.

by BMAN13 on Jul 20, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because he doesn't have to...

Penn State does not score the cream of the crop in PA anymore…and that’s pitiful fact.

by PSUFalcon on Jul 20, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who is worthwhile in Pa this year

And PSU got everyone they wanted last year.

by BMAN13 on Jul 20, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kiffin? Seriously?

That’s bad even for the P-G.

No matter how many teams are in it, I will continue to dislike the Big Ten.

by Illegal Formation on Jul 20, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Correct me if I'm wrong..

But we’ve done the full stadium white out three times, Notre Dame, Illinois and Iowa. Me thinks that the one of the main factors are 1 a late start, 2 early in the season, 3 against a decent (but not necessarily premier) opponent.

Show me the game on that schedule that meets those criteria. There isn’t one.

What do you say when you want a pretzel? MICHIGAN SUCKS!

by jesse. on Jul 20, 2010 11:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Never got why it has to be early...

Sure, it’s harder to rock the white when it gets cold, but no harder than it was the past two years with the rain. If anything, it’d look better if simply because the people not wearing white will be wearing blue or something, not the reds and yellows of the rain ponchos.

Black Shoe Diaries, SB Nation Pittsburgh

Fugitweet

God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...

by Adam Bittner on Jul 20, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's about acheiving maximum compliance

If you call for a white out, and it looks crappy because of the weather, then you look stupid.

It works best when the weather is good. It just does.

What do you say when you want a pretzel? MICHIGAN SUCKS!

by jesse. on Jul 20, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

it might rain in september

it’s almost definitely going to be cold in October or November. As much as I like the white-house, I’m not buying a white jacket to wear once a year, if that often.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Jul 20, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree with the cold thing

Until MSU 08 and last year’s later games, we haven’t had a “cold” game in years. I couldn’t even tell you when I didn’t where shorts to a game before the MSU game, which was feezing. Besides, get a large shirt and wear it over your coat, isn’t that difficult.

by BMAN13 on Jul 20, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

it might not be that difficult for us

but old man euler and his posse aren’t going above and beyond to throw a white long-sleeved shirt over their other cold-weather gear.

Also, it snowed against Minnesota in the middel of October last year.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Jul 20, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

OldManEuler said.....

that the only time that he would wear white after Labor Day was if he were on a slab at the coroner’s office.

by DerryPharmer on Jul 20, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Purdue in 2004...

Wasn’t that like the very first white out?

I don’t see how something a PennLIve writer says is bulletin material. Its not like something a PSU coach or player said.

by Artiefufkin10 on Jul 20, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

well

it’s implicit in the athletic department’s decision that neither scUM or Sparty were big enough. Its not really the specific text of the article, but the implication of the University’s opinion of the Michigan schools’ programs.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Jul 20, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

And as far as BulletinBoard material goes...

you’re all making the big assumption that scUM and Sparty students can read.

by DerryPharmer on Jul 20, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was a student-only white out

Same as Ohio State in 2005, and Michigan in 2006. Notre Dame 2007 was the first full stadium white out, which is what jesse. referenced.

"I did my walk of shame this morning and everyone was so much nicer," she said. "People were inviting me to parties at 9 a.m."

by IcersGuy on Jul 20, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Michigan this year will be a Student Section "white out"

Although at this point, they pretty much all are.

What do you say when you want a pretzel? MICHIGAN SUCKS!

by jesse. on Jul 20, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Michigan 2006

aka the Concussion Bowl

Bacon is almost as great as being a Penn Stater

by NittanyTide on Jul 20, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Michigan?

Why cant michigan be a white out? Yeah, they will probably suck this year, but they are still michigan.

by RitterPSU on Jul 20, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

JayPa loves the beefy quarterbacks

PJ is huge, 6-5 and 235 and Bolden, listed at 6-4, 195, needs to belly up to the training table or they’ll move him to WR.

by Frank O'Brien on Jul 20, 2010 11:16 AM EDT reply actions  

PJ is NOT 6-5

I don’t know where that article got that info. I’ve met him a few times, he’s only slightly taller than I am (a little over 6 feet), so he’s probably 6-2/3.

Actually, I forgot I have my shiny new We Are Penn State mag to look at, which lists them as follows:
PJ- 6-3, 220
Bolden- 6-4, 205

From what I’ve heard, I expect Bolden has actually beefed up a bit. The collegian had an article about him last spring which said that he’s been in contact with the staff who have sent him bits of the offense to learn, and in addition he’s focused on working on getting stronger. We’ll see what their official measurables are in a few weeks, but that article is definitely off on their info.

by dawsonPSU10 on Jul 20, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I'll take it a step further:

NOT ONLY DO YOU SUCK, YOU CHEAT. NOT JUST ON GAME DAY WITH HOMER OFFICIATING, BUT BY VIOLATING NCAA REGULATIONS!!!

45 DAYS 21 HOURS 56 MINUTES 41 SECONDS UNTIL KICKOFF!!!!

by Ab4PSU on Jul 20, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

YEAH

I want my 2 seconds

Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils

by psu on Jul 20, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amen brother

"I love it when a plan comes together!" Colonel John "Hannibal" Smith

by psu in the w-b on Jul 20, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Violating NCAA Regulations"

I’ve always thought that Michigan had to work that hard to suck so bad…

by Aaron PSU on Jul 20, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wish to amend this.

I apologize for adding “Work” to that post. Even in today’s economy, I understand that that is an indefensible cheap shot.

Wait, what? You don’t even know what “Work” is? No, I’m certain playing for the Lions isn’t “Work”. Keep on tryin’ though (Boom, that’s a frigggen Poco reference, I am on a roll)

There is fire at the travel agency.

by ReadingRambler on Jul 20, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I lost track of him too...

thought he was with the Giants.

Note to John – come back to the Mother Ship – State College is calling you.

P.S. Loved reading the comments after that article. Nothing like Canadian laying smack on eachother.

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Jul 20, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love the UM and MSU comments on that Free Press article.

Normally I wouldn’t subject myself to reading them (as they read like a bad Audibles thread), but I had some free time so I checked them out. Allow me to sum up:

“WE USE TO OWN PENN STATE! THEY SUCK!”
“WE STILL KICK ASS IN BASKETBALL!”
“Hey guys, I think the article is more a knock on the state of UM and MSU football than PSU being arrogant for not scheduling a whiteout.”
“STATE PENN IS AWFUL! WE OWN THEM! SHUT UP LOGICAL UM FAN!”

@EpicTripod
SBN - Pittsburgh
Success With Honor

by Jeff Junstrom on Jul 20, 2010 12:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I felt dirty reading 11worriers...

but they exposed what a rediculous article that is about Pryor. Tressle only takes seniors to media day. Pryor is a junior, Pryor doesn’t fit the coach’s criteria to go.

The media will have to get their inappropriate Pryor comments elsewhere.

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Jul 20, 2010 12:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I cannot wait for Pryor to graduate.

He is an overhyped arm punter. I may be bitter about him not coming to PSU, but now I am just tired of hearing about him.

Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils

by psu on Jul 20, 2010 12:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Doubt if he will graduate.

Probably just use up his NCAA eligibility.

by dontcallmescooter on Jul 20, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

he will leave early for the big NFL dollars

Ia ora te natura, E mea arofa teie ao nei
Ua pau te maitai no te fenua, Re zai noa ra te ora o te mitie
SAVE THE GULF

by letsgopsu on Jul 20, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll give you a dollar

if Terrell Pryor ever starts a game at quarterback in the National Football League.

What do you say when you want a pretzel? MICHIGAN SUCKS!

by jesse. on Jul 21, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I would take that.

Only because someone is dumb enough to try. He’s not Pat White in the sense that he is tall enough to have “prototype” size, and is undoubtedly athletic. Granted, he will fail miserably. But there are owners/GMs/coaches dumb enough to try.

by PSUinBOSSton on Jul 21, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

see also:

Broncos, Denver
Raiders, Oakland

All it takes is one team to draft a guy. Russell & Tebow both managed to pull it off.

by Tailgate Shogun on Jul 21, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

so will TP

and from everything we have seen, he knows it and will not stay in college

Ia ora te natura, E mea arofa teie ao nei
Ua pau te maitai no te fenua, Re zai noa ra te ora o te mitie
SAVE THE GULF

by letsgopsu on Jul 21, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

pretend for a moment that you are the inside of TP's head

where do you see yourself in another year? Still in the classroom?

Playing QB in the NFL, I’ll bet. Making major bank. Buying your own corvette for a change.

You have stated a fatc that no one will dispute

I just wonder if he accepts that fact

Ia ora te natura, E mea arofa teie ao nei
Ua pau te maitai no te fenua, Re zai noa ra te ora o te mitie
SAVE THE GULF

by letsgopsu on Jul 25, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's goigg to be a project player at QB.

Why? Well, the NFL is NOT kind to players who complete 5 passes on 14 attempts, get sacked twice, and take a bunch of messy losses that are sacks by another name: tackles for loss, QB carrying the ball.

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jul 25, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't say he would play

but his personality traits indicates a guy who will leave early because he thinks he is awesome

Ia ora te natura, E mea arofa teie ao nei
Ua pau te maitai no te fenua, Re zai noa ra te ora o te mitie
SAVE THE GULF

by letsgopsu on Jul 21, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well so far...

He’s done nothing to indicate that he’s half as good as football Jesus. He can barely throw a spiral, let alone heal lepper. And football Jesus is maybe 50/50 on getting a start in the league, and that’s only because he’s football Jesus.

Everybody steals from you from you, steals from me, whatever… I’m not seeing it.

What do you say when you want a pretzel? MICHIGAN SUCKS!

by jesse. on Jul 21, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

can I get a dollar?

the Rose Bowl MVP is going to have a heck of a year and compete for the Heisman.

We might all want him to suck, but he doesn’t. He’s been somewhat poorly coached/poorly utilized his first two seasons, but he’s not green anymore and they’re going to figure out how to use him.

Whether or not what will ultimately be a successful college career translates into a starting role in the NFL is, of course, a different question. But Michael Vick doesn’t exactly throw a pretty pass either, and he found plenty of opportunities to start.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Jul 21, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't say he sucked.

Super talented is the exception in college. It’s the rule in the NFL. You’ll get your dollar when he starts a game in the NFL.

What do you say when you want a pretzel? MICHIGAN SUCKS!

by jesse. on Jul 21, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, what you said.

I’m taking the wait and see approach to college football this year. Will Iowa be good? Dunno. Will Pryor be good? Dunno. Will Florida die in a sea of fire and karma? Dunno, probably not. But, uh, spak you’ll get ten dollars from me if Pryor goes Vince Young tron like Buckeyes dream he will against a defense like Iowa’s defense, as they aren’t totally overmatched like Oregon’s defense.

There is fire at the travel agency.

by ReadingRambler on Jul 21, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I say keep your dollar.

Watching him try to start an NFL game at QB is going to be worth much more than a dollar. Won’t video of that be the gift that keeps on giving?

by PSUinBOSSton on Jul 21, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Two words: Eric Crouch.

Eric Crouch was great in college too.

There is fire at the travel agency.

by ReadingRambler on Jul 21, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Shoot, Clark was first team all Big Ten. Twice.

And he’s off to Canada without even getting a look in the league.

What do you say when you want a pretzel? MICHIGAN SUCKS!

by jesse. on Jul 21, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

And Gino Torreta won the Heisman

and wasn’t even drafted, or if he was, it was quite late. I think he eventually played in the nfl, but never started a game.

And Tony Romo played division d-1AA and has the third best career passer rating of all time.

But Darryl Clark, Eric Crouch, and Gino Torreta all reached pretty close to the top of their potential in college. Pryor probably won’t ever reach his, but it certainly won’t happen in college.

To make this fair, I’ll give you a dollar if he hasn’t started an nfl game by the end of 2015. At that point, a dollar will buy you one cigarette, if dollars even exists. We’ll likely be using yuan, discussing recruits for penn state soccer, and going to work on hoverboards.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Jul 21, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

We’ll likely be using yuan, discussing recruits for penn state soccer, and going to work on hoverboards Hoverounds.
Some of us will be old and will buy into the best commercial with the catchiest tune on the Big Ten Network.

by BMAN13 on Jul 21, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, but it isn't like Clark beat out any other decent QBs

he just won it by default. Pryor was too busy winning the Heisman to worry about anything else.

by The JuggerNitt on Jul 21, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

But football Jesus still got drafted

and so will TP

Ia ora te natura, E mea arofa teie ao nei
Ua pau te maitai no te fenua, Re zai noa ra te ora o te mitie
SAVE THE GULF

by letsgopsu on Jul 21, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

everyone knows he will be drafted

the question is, will he ever start at QB (still might make a good WR)

by The JuggerNitt on Jul 22, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is so sad to read about Steve Smith having ALS

but it’s amazing that he’s lived so long after diagnosis. My thoughts and prayers are with him and his family.

For the glory

by Paige2PSU on Jul 20, 2010 12:48 PM EDT reply actions  

It is interesting that Lynn is going to medial days with royster and Wiz

I was surprised to see him going instead of another senior.

Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils

by psu on Jul 20, 2010 1:04 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm using it as another excuse

to get ridiculously excited about the defense this year.

No matter how many teams are in it, I will continue to dislike the Big Ten.

by Illegal Formation on Jul 20, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

It certainly means that for better or worse...

D’Anton is going to be one of the leaders on the defense this year. Kind of concerned that it’s not a linebacker.

What do you say when you want a pretzel? MICHIGAN SUCKS!

by jesse. on Jul 20, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shut up.

The linebackers are too busy being awesome to lead.

Rose Bowl or bust. JoePa uber alles.

There is fire at the travel agency.

by ReadingRambler on Jul 20, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

It could just be that if anyone dared question them...

…that would instinctively disembowel the questioner, and feat on their entrails. And seriously, that would be embarrassing for everyone.

Let’s just go with this for the time being.

What do you say when you want a pretzel? MICHIGAN SUCKS!

by jesse. on Jul 20, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

No seniors on the defense

If Joe wanted to take a senior it’s either Ogbu or Gbadyu.

Lynn is a curious choice though considering there were rumors about him transferring last fall.

by BSD on Jul 20, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's what I'm saying

As I understand the rumors, he wants to play safety and the coaches want/need him to play corner. They let him play safety in the string but now when push comes to shove, they’re telling him he’s playing corner. The trip to media day is thanks for taking one for the team.

Of course, I could be completely full of shit.

by Frank O'Brien on Jul 20, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

media, not medial

my profession has slipped into my football. And they taste great together.

Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils

by psu on Jul 20, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

DC to the CFL

Good for him. I hope he does well and gets a shot in the NFL. Good kid, great leader…he deserves a shot. I loved him at PSU, and I’ll cheer for him wherever he goes.

by PSUFalcon on Jul 20, 2010 1:18 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Warner to HOF

My dad, son, and I dropped a loud “WE ARE…” on him when he passed by on his float during the parade in South Bend Saturday. He was signing something for someone, got a big smile on his face, and started looking to see where it came from. Good to see him get the HOF honor – he was one of my first PSU FB heroes.

by IndianaLion on Jul 20, 2010 2:47 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Paterno Hurting Penn State Recruiting

…by not caring about a small class when he has plenty of depth.
…by not cheating and racking up recruiting violations.
…by not being young.
…by having intestinal trouble.

Yeah don’t care. I’m personally hurting Penn State recruiting more than Joe Pa is.

John has a long moustache

by AdamShell on Jul 20, 2010 8:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Yep.

Easy to see how recruiting will be SO MUCH BETTER when the winningest coach of all time retires.

Why would anyone want to play for a guy like that?

by Tailgate Shogun on Jul 20, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, JoePa is totally killing our recruiting

thats why we pulled in a top 12 recruiting class last year even though it was a relatively tiny 20 schollie class (tiny by SEC standards anyway). And had Easley and Coxson not turned out to have character issues (or whatever the hell happened) or jumped ship for “greener pastures” in the SEC as soon as their offer came (Easley), we would have easily had a top 5 class or near that (not that I’m disappointed in last years recruiting at all).

We nabbed like 7 or 8 of the top 10 elite football players in PA last year, and this year when there isn’t a tremendous amount of elite talent to dominate in our own state and we’re not pulling in stud athletes every other week we’re suddenly SOL and headed down the toilet again as a program? And did they notice before they condemned PSU to mediocrity that this year’s class is actually smaller than the year before it?
 
I know recruiting is important to sustained success, but come on, it’s not JoePa’s fault, and for that matter there’s no fault to be taken by anyone on the staff. We have a small class, meaning we have to be very selective in who we offer to make sure we fill our needs as best as possible. We don’t have the luxury, or the soullessness, of the SEC who can pull in 30 players every recruiting class, and just cast aside those kids they don’t want anymore because the next hot recruit just came onto the scene. We don’t just throw out offers at kids all around the country regardless of the need for the position we play, just because they’re highly touted. We’re more methodical (read: traditional) than that. Our coaches are able to see potential in the people they hand offers to (regardless of hype, stars, rankings, media attention, camp awards, etc.), and I would argue they do it better than any other staff in the country. I like seeing sirens as much as anybody, but I’m not going to start blaming coaches, Joe or otherwise, just because we’re ranked as the 63rd best class or whatever just because we only have three commits. /end rant

by dawsonPSU10 on Jul 20, 2010 9:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Good post, but...

Stars matter…not all of the time, but most of the time. They matter. Florida, Bama, USC, OSU, TEX, OKL…always have kids with lots of STARS next to their name…those teams happen to always be pretty darn good. I would rather have kids with lots and lots of stars, then kids not with stars.

Either that, or run a “system” and find kids that fit it (See Boise St, Utah, BYU, etc.).

But still…I want the * or **** Not the * or the * or the ** and definitely not *

by PSUFalcon on Jul 20, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have to disagree with a lot of that (and I'll note I may be completely wrong, it's just my opinion)

Stars are the product of recruiting services. They’re creations of people who travel the country to watch HS boys play football. Those evaluators don’t get to watch every player in the country, and for some, the star ranking is inflated because of the school looking at that player (and sometimes the opposite where a kid is hyped and highly recruited and can’t live up to that, but is highly recruited because of that hype), or where in the country that player is playing football, or what awards and recognition the player has received.

Stars may be a good indicator of athleticism, or possessing a certain skill and excelling at it, or being able to dominate HS football competition, but those stars don’t count for jack at the college level. Sure, you are right that there’s a correlation in teams with a lot of success in the past few years are the ones with players with stars next to their names, but how many of those guys actually pan out and live up to their hype? I’d agree that some of the most prominent CFB players are highly rated guys, but if I were to look back at a school like Florida’s recruiting classes, how many of those 5* names do you think I’d recognize now? How many of them ever saw the starting line-up? How do you think Penn State lives up to that same system? In the past two NFL drafts we’ve sent walk-on players into the NFL. How many schools can say the same? How many of them have even given a walk-on a chance to outshine their OMG 5* players?

I’d also be able to bet that quite often with those 5*’s comes an 5* ego. Given the choice, I would rather have a team full of 3* players that other schools refused to consider because they weren’t highly touted, but our coaches took the time to evaluate and develop into good students, good players and decent human beings than have a team full of the kind of players that are attracted to a place like USC, Florida, or Alabama.

by dawsonPSU10 on Jul 21, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Then were do you fit Penn State into this?

Since Penn State is a top 10 program for the past 5 years (though obviously if you look at the past 10 years, then the first half of the decade drops us down to basically just top 25 standing) and for the past 20+ years as well. So basically except for a 4-5 year stretch early this decade, Penn State is a top 10 program. I know those years still count, and I imagine some of the decline was due to not recruiting quite as hard as we should have been, but I don’t know. I didn’t really follow Penn State recruiting prior to the past few years, but I imagine the system hasn’t changed that much.

Anyway, the point I’m trying to make is that at Penn State, they seem to be doing just fine recruiting the way they like to recruit. And heck, nearly all of the biggest star rated recruits we’ve gotten that I can recall have all been flops for one reason or another.

by The JuggerNitt on Jul 21, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

That attitude will get you nowhere on PennLive.

"Nothing turns me on like doe estrus." - ReadingRambler

by leeharvey418 on Jul 21, 2010 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Reply fail.

That was meant for dawson.

For the glory

by Paige2PSU on Jul 20, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Y'know what would be great for media days?

Have you ever seen a political speech where they get liberals, moderates, and conservatives to hold a dial and move it up and down whenever they like or dislike something? I think that would make for a great exercise in Big Ten media days and get fans from all eleven teams to rate the coaches speeches in real time.

Who would compete with Tressel for lowest number? Would Paterno just coast through with the best score? Would Zook get the most erratic chart from all members?

by Cairo on Jul 21, 2010 10:47 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I wonder more about Ferentz.

Does the dial come with a “Falling asleep” button?

There is fire at the travel agency.

by ReadingRambler on Jul 21, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Big Ten Media Days

Terrelle Pryor will not attend Big Ten Media Days because interviews will be conducted in English……

by CinemaNoir on Jul 23, 2010 1:21 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

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