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Last week we looked at Penn State's non-conference basketball schedule and came to the conclusion it's an improvement over the terrible schedule from the 2008-2009 season. Today David Jones weighs in and he too likes it.

Right away, you can say this about it: By about a power of five, it's a smarter schedule than the trash bin of opponents head coach Ed DeChellis and then-basketball operations director Eldon Price collected in 2008-09. That was when he had Talor Battle, Jamelle Cornley and Stanley Pringle all at once and had a legit shot at an NCAA bid and tossed it to the wind because he had no idea how the selection committee judged at-large candidates.

 

The only knock Jones has is that the schedule lacks an opportunity for a home run like the 2001 team had when they upset Kentucky on their home court. Without doing the research, State may have been counting on the 76 Classic to provide that before they pulled out. I'm not sure about the dynamics there, but Jones has a good point. A win over somebody like Pitt or Kentucky could allow State to punch their ticket to the dance in early December.

Dolla Dolla Bills Y'All

Since the NCAA cracked down on USC in the Reggie Bush case, they have not been sitting back and admiring their work. Several teams have been notified in just the past week that they are under NCAA investigation for improper contact between agents and their players. The list of schools include North Carolina, South Carolina, and Florida. And then yesterday there's news that a big opponent on Penn State's 2010 schedule may lose one of their best defensive players.

TUSCALOOSA, Ala. -- University of Alabama officials are investigating whether junior defensive lineman Marcel Dareus broke NCAA rules by attending an agent's party in Miami's South Beach earlier this summer, multiple sources told ESPN.com.

Dareus, ranked as the No. 7 prospect for the 2011 NFL draft by ESPN analyst Mel Kiper, is the latest prominent college football player to be entangled in an evolving NCAA investigation into illegal contact and conduct by sports agents.

 

Star-divide

The NCAA has a pretty serious problem on its hands. NFL agents have become pretty brazen in courting NCAA athletes and offering them illegal benefits. They are putting kids at risk of losing their eligibility, and other people like Reggie Bush are having their reputations ruined and all of their accomplishments wiped from the record books. Don't get me wrong, Reggie Bush did a bad thing, but at some point the NCAA has to take a tougher stance on sheltering athletes from the temptations these agents present them with.

Can We Talk Some Football Now?

Sure, why not. There's a pretty good article in the Pittsburgh Tribune about how Penn State expects to reload at linebacker this year.

It's time to reload at linebacker for Penn State. Last year's standout starting trio of Sean Lee, Navorro Bowman and Josh Hull have all departed Happy Valley after being selected in the NFL Draft.

Enter Mauti, Bani Gbadyu, Nathan Stuparand a host of other young players or career backups expected to play bigger roles in 2010. What coach Joe Paterno loses in experience at linebacker, he makes up for with promising depth.

I keep saying I am not at all worried about linebacker. We know Mauti and Stupar can play when they're healthy. Gbadyu was named the most improved player in the spring. Heck, I mentioned after the Blue White game that the backups of Yancich, Hodges, and Van Fleet looked good enough for me. Then you got the freshmen Mike Hull, Glenn Carson, and Khairi Fortt who all look promising. Penn State will be just fine at linebacker. Bank it.

Aaaaah....What Else You Got?

How about some alumni updates?

Eh....okay...

Hey, it's July. What do you want from me?

The Dallas Cowboys sound like they are absolutely in love with Sean Lee. They like his speed and athleticism, and especially his ability to absorb information. But here is my favorite part about the linked article.

It didn't take long for the Cowboys to conclude that Lee would be able to contribute as a rookie. After he impressed during their three-day rookie minicamp, the Cowboys traded incumbent nickel linebacker and former first-round pick Bobby Carpenter to the St. Louis Rams for offensive tackle Alex Barron.

That's the same Bobby Carpenter that played for Ohio State. So suck it, Buckeyes.

I was not aware of this until I read about Daryll Clark joining the CFL, but apparently former Penn State quarterback John Hufnagel is coaching the Calgary Stampeders in the CFL, and he sounds like a regular Joe Paterno.

It was, suggested Calgary Stampeders head coach John Hufnagel, nothing but a pep talk.

 

Mind you, that generous description came an hour after a couple of angry outbursts directed toward his first-team offence during Tuesday’s practice at McMahon Stadium.

 

At the time, it looked more like an angry diatribe at a series of missed assignments than a pep talk.

 

But either way, the message was clear: mistakes in practice will translate into mistakes in games, and the Stampeders can’t afford any when they host the unbeaten Saskatchewan Roughriders on Saturday (7:30 p.m., TSN subject to blackout, QR77 Radio).

 

"There was a three- or four-play series there where there were some assignment busts, and I wasn’t pleased," conceded Hufnagel. "But it was a good practice today; I’m not disappointed with the practice. It was a good start. The effort was good, it was a fast-paced practice. But they need to improve on their assignment knowledge and have better execution tomorrow."

Greg Schiano and Al Golden are two names commonly mentioned as potential candidates to replace Joe Paterno when he retires. I think we can officially ad Hufnagel to that list. He has coached for five different NFL teams, and he led the Stampeders to a CFL championship in 2008. And you gotta love that he's a former All American player for Penn State.

Also, Tamba Hali is highly admired by the Kansas City Chiefs.

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Stay away from Pete today…

Ohio State has the worst fans in the Big Ten. Bar none. And it’s not even close. Humorless in defeat. Condescending in victory. Generally insecure all the time. I’ve partied and had fun with fans of every team in this league, save Ohio State.

by jtothep on Jul 21, 2010 11:43 AM EDT reply actions  

It's ok.

It’s all part of The Process.

There is fire at the travel agency.

by ReadingRambler on Jul 21, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Unless, in his words, you like fornicating with a badger

Seems like their general attitude is, “Hey, this is the price you pay for winning national championships.”

We should all want to be so fortunate I guess.

by BSD on Jul 21, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

That thread is loaded with gems
Trust that Saban and our world-class compliance office will see us through this storm

Has any team in the history of college football been on probation more than Alabama. I mean, the guy argues that if North Carolina is getting in trouble, then obviously a talented team like Alabama is going to get caught. I think that’s a fallacy, Alabama is going to get caught pretty much because they are always cheating. I like Alabama and all, but lets call a spade a spade here.

While I recognize that Alabama is known for it’s excellent educational system…

That’s definately what Alabama is known for.

What do you say when you want a pretzel? MICHIGAN SUCKS!

by jesse. on Jul 21, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really.

How often has Ohio State been hit with this? How often did the NCAA go after Carr’s Michigan teams? What about Penn State when we were the beast of the east?

There is fire at the travel agency.

by ReadingRambler on Jul 21, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

How many times has this pattern occurred:

Mid to lower level team in big conference wants to take the next step, so they hire a former “the U” or similar mentality coach (Butch Davis, Denns Erickson, etc) and they improve on the field while rapidly degrading off the field. These teams know exactly what they’re getting and they don’t care. I’m sure Arizona State will be investigated in the next year if they are not already.

by cpm126 on Jul 21, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Pete Carroll's college football legacy...

Is inventing a new way to cheat. Throw the doors to your program wide open. Have fun. Ignore everything that doesn’t happen on the football field. It took the NCAA a while to catch up with it, but as you can see, they are catching on.

What do you say when you want a pretzel? MICHIGAN SUCKS!

by jesse. on Jul 21, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was a little bummed you sent me to a Dennis Dodd column

But made like the flasher who was considering retirement and stuck it out. Was rewarded with his insider quote of another AD dawging out Garrett and this gem, from Terrell Pryor:

“Look at a guy like Matt Barkley,” Ohio State quarterback Terrelle Pryor said of his counterpart at USC, “all he’s playing for … I don’t even know the word to tell you. It’s a speechless experience.”

Ohio State has the worst fans in the Big Ten. Bar none. And it’s not even close. Humorless in defeat. Condescending in victory. Generally insecure all the time. I’ve partied and had fun with fans of every team in this league, save Ohio State.

by jtothep on Jul 21, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Pryor's wrong again.

People don’t go to USC to play your pathetic bowl games, or be ranked in your insignificant polls. They go to USC because it’s the best thing ever.

What do you say when you want a pretzel? MICHIGAN SUCKS!

by jesse. on Jul 21, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

And because

Of Graham Zug’s ex-girlfriends

Ohio State has the worst fans in the Big Ten. Bar none. And it’s not even close. Humorless in defeat. Condescending in victory. Generally insecure all the time. I’ve partied and had fun with fans of every team in this league, save Ohio State.

by jtothep on Jul 21, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Oh my.

Those are some pretty girls.

What do you say when you want a pretzel? MICHIGAN SUCKS!

by jesse. on Jul 21, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can't say enough about the new GIS

33 pages of additional reasons to go to USC, in a single scroll

Ohio State has the worst fans in the Big Ten. Bar none. And it’s not even close. Humorless in defeat. Condescending in victory. Generally insecure all the time. I’ve partied and had fun with fans of every team in this league, save Ohio State.

by jtothep on Jul 21, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why are they happy?

They had Zug, and he got away… I’m surprised they aren’t devastated.

John has a long moustache

by AdamShell on Jul 21, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because they are all

carrying His seed in their bellies.

Ohio State has the worst fans in the Big Ten. Bar none. And it’s not even close. Humorless in defeat. Condescending in victory. Generally insecure all the time. I’ve partied and had fun with fans of every team in this league, save Ohio State.

by jtothep on Jul 21, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd be terrified if I were them

I remember when I was little, and I ate an apple seed, and was scared an apple tree was gonna burst out of my stomach. I think the same thing would happen with Zug, but with much more force.

by The JuggerNitt on Jul 21, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zug (like Chuck Norris)

Doesn’t consider it sex if the woman survives.

by PaOhWi on Jul 21, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, that is a gem.

There is fire at the travel agency.

by ReadingRambler on Jul 21, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure what the NCAA can effectively do

about this agent thing. Unlike recruiting violations which are a front end thing, what these agents and their minions are up to is a back end thing. If anything their actions serve to undermine a program as opposed to help a program. As such, any expectation of “institutional control” becomes very problematic.

"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway

by SubLime on Jul 21, 2010 11:46 AM EDT reply actions  

The schools have to do it.

Everybody criticizes Joe Paterno for running the football program like the CIA, but it keeps these BS hangers-on from getting access to these kids. Everybody loved how loose and open Pete Carroll’s program was at USC, but it was obviously, and I mean obviously, trouble in the making.

The only thing the NCAA can do is throw the book at the players who violate the rules. Keep in mind this isn’t some obscure footnote to subpart iii of regulation 6421.34. It’s taking money from a friggin’ agent. Then is most of these morons cases, posting twitter updates about it.

What do you say when you want a pretzel? MICHIGAN SUCKS!

by jesse. on Jul 21, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mossad, not CIA.

There are far less leaks from the Mossad.

There is fire at the travel agency.

by ReadingRambler on Jul 21, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

the saddest part is these kids are THAT STUPID! They have been “stars” since grade school and by the time they get to college they are used to being revered and praised that think they are above it somehow.

Ia ora te natura, E mea arofa teie ao nei
Ua pau te maitai no te fenua, Re zai noa ra te ora o te mitie
SAVE THE GULF

by letsgopsu on Jul 21, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

guarentee that someone in the program knows when a kid is on the take. Electronic stuff, new cars, clothes, etc. It’s usually obvious except to those administrators and coaches that don’t want to see it. Hey Curtis, where did you get the new suit? Some coaches look for it while others (Pete Carroll) don’t seem to notice, because you know he is working so hard on game plans for Stanford and Oreg St.

by BMAN13 on Jul 21, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

My Brother-in-law can

retire from the State Police in two years and has been investigating what his next career will be. I’ve kidded him about being a private investigator.

A good investigator niche might be being an “Agent Tracker”. Sign up schools for a fee. Build a data base of all the sports agents. Track their movements. Report to schools what these snakes are up to. School can choose course of action based on the information. For an additional fee, agent’s contact with your rivals players can be had.

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Jul 21, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

great idea.

Just get into the compliance business. Schools might start looking this direction for compliance officers instead of using some business manager as a dept head. Go for someone that knows what they are doing.

by BMAN13 on Jul 21, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

but when you comply, it makes it much harder to buy a national championship

The attitude coming out of USC (and even apparently Alabama right now) is that “it was worth it to win the championship”.

by The JuggerNitt on Jul 21, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

And as Garrett said, any attempt to punish them for their violations is just someone being jealous of USC. If anything happens to Alabama, expect the same remarks from them.

Pirates, Vikings, Hokies. I'm used to heartbreak. At least I have the Penguins....

"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-The Great One

by blackjackfishtaco on Jul 21, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

mmmm fish tacos next week at Fish Tales in Ocean City, md. one of my favorite dishes. MMMM Fish Tacos TWSS kinky

by BMAN13 on Jul 21, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cool

I’ll be in the OC myself next week.

by BSD on Jul 21, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

wife wants to parasail for her 50th birthday. Guess I’m going parasailing, it will be a thrill ride for me since i don’t care for heights. Mackey’s for crabcakes and crab dip.

by BMAN13 on Jul 21, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did it once and it was awesome, go for it

Ia ora te natura, E mea arofa teie ao nei
Ua pau te maitai no te fenua, Re zai noa ra te ora o te mitie
SAVE THE GULF

by letsgopsu on Jul 21, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just don't eat before going

My kid’s babysitter did it and threw up half way through. She said she liked it otherwise.

Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils

by psu on Jul 21, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like a bout

of heavy drinking on game day.

"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway

by SubLime on Jul 21, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

she is, I am waaaaay more lucky than an a$$ like me should be.

I just hope there isn’t some weight difference thing for two people being on the parasail at the same time, being she weighs about 100 and I weigh 220.

by BMAN13 on Jul 22, 2010 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

You know

I never really liked Ocean City. I don’t really like packed beaches, plus I’m not a fan of many of the restaurants. There are some nice, quiet beaches around that area though. Delaware Seashore Park and Fenwick are good. Once, when I visited the former there was no one there.

There is fire at the travel agency.

by ReadingRambler on Jul 21, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually

I agree. We stay at Bethany Beach.

by BSD on Jul 21, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indian River Inlet is nice...

good place to fish too.

Never mistake effort for achievement.

Ah, beer, my one weakness. My Achille's heel, if you will. - HJS

by Esteban d' Amur on Jul 21, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I grew up going to

OC/Dewey/Rehobeth. It pains me that I just can’t tolerate the Delaware/Maryland beaches any more. Since moving to Virginia ten years ago, OBX has become our beach vacation, but we stil made a yearly weekend trip North to hit all the favorite memories.

Highway One is a giant traffic jam clusterf@#k and the beaches aren’t any better. A few years ago we started staying in Lewes and don’t really miss the boardwalk nonsense anymore. Park and walk everywhere. Great restaurants. Great boat ramp.

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Jul 21, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

When I was at the boardwalk as a kid once, I wasn’t wearing shoes and I got a splinter, so I hated the boardwalk and, eventually, Ocean City from the very onset.

There is fire at the travel agency.

by ReadingRambler on Jul 21, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Love OBX

Ia ora te natura, E mea arofa teie ao nei
Ua pau te maitai no te fenua, Re zai noa ra te ora o te mitie
SAVE THE GULF

by letsgopsu on Jul 21, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then the NCAA has to kick it up a notch.

If the “champion” is caught cheating, then strip them of the championship and award the title to the #2 team and change the record to reflect the #2 team as the champion. If the #2 team is eventually caught, strip them and award the title to the #3 team, etc. until you arrive at a clean program. Also, the NCAA then has to order any school stripped of the title to no longer reference the title in any media guides or official university or NCAA publications. It “won’t be worth it to win the championship” if it’s taken from you in disgrace.

44 DAYS 21 HOURS 23 MINUTES 37 SECONDS UNTIL KICKOFF!!!

by Ab4PSU on Jul 21, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're absolutely right. The NCAA has never awarded anybody a

football championship. They’re voted on, but the NCAA basically accepts these polls because they’re tied in to sanctioned bowls. Therefore, strip the wins, no championship. And again, ENFORCE the institution’s reflection of this in their media guides, etc.

44 DAYS 21 HOURS 15 MINUTES 53 SECONDS UNTIL KICKOFF!!!

by Ab4PSU on Jul 21, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tell that to USC

They don’t seem to understand the word disgrace.

What do you say when you want a pretzel? MICHIGAN SUCKS!

by jesse. on Jul 21, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don't think they have a firm grasp on what that word means?

Never thought I’d see the day jesse. went mgo.

Ohio State has the worst fans in the Big Ten. Bar none. And it’s not even close. Humorless in defeat. Condescending in victory. Generally insecure all the time. I’ve partied and had fun with fans of every team in this league, save Ohio State.

by jtothep on Jul 21, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

A lot of these schools don't understand that word.

The only thing that matters is the end result. I work for a southern (or should I say “suthen”) corporation, and their idea of ethics is enough to make anybody vomit. So there’s a mentality among southerners that if it’s good for you, it’s good. If it’s bad for you, it’s bad. Ethics and morals are on a sliding scale that depends on how you stand to benefit.

44 DAYS 21 HOURS 5 MINUTES 38 SECONDS UNTIL KICKOFF!!!

by Ab4PSU on Jul 21, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think that's an accurate picture of the south at all.

That’s a really bad, sweeping generalization. You mean northern or western or mid-western companies don’t make morally suspect decisions based on their own best interests? I think that southerners in generall operate with much more of a deontological philosophy than a utilitarian philosophy of ethics. I’m a southerner and was taught that you do what is right NO MATTER WHAT. That’s part of the reason that I’m so proud to be a Penn Stater.

For the glory

by Paige2PSU on Jul 22, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

My thoughts

They limit how much contact college coaches can have with high school kids. They even ban them from making any contact at certain times. Why can’t they have a rule where any contact with an agent of any kind is illegal? Right now it’s just they can’t accept gifts.

If you want kids to have time to do research in preparation for when they graduate, allow them to contact agents at certain times, but make the contact on campus only in the presence of a school compliance officer.

by BSD on Jul 21, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still on the fence on this one

I wonder if some players with millionaire NFL potential would be getting a disservice by that practice?

Ohio State has the worst fans in the Big Ten. Bar none. And it’s not even close. Humorless in defeat. Condescending in victory. Generally insecure all the time. I’ve partied and had fun with fans of every team in this league, save Ohio State.

by jtothep on Jul 21, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

what disservice would that be?

if they have the potential, the agents will come. This just prevents anything shady from going on.

by The JuggerNitt on Jul 21, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

These kids are now young adults

They also have to be held responsible just like all the other student for their good and bad choices. Plenty of people make bad decisions in college and don’t make the cut, athletes just get all the attention. I don’t think it is reasonable to police them like you would a high schooler.

Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils

by psu on Jul 21, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

But the school has interests and a reputation at stake in this too. Because of Reggie Bush, USC will not play in a bowl game over the next two years. Schools need to be able to control the situation. Notice I didn’t say allow a coach to sit in on the meeting. The coach has an interest in seeing his player stick around. The compliance officer is really in no position to give a kid advice on his future. But they can make sure nothing illegal is discussed.

by BSD on Jul 21, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because of USC, USC will not play in a bowl game over the next two years.

There is fire at the travel agency.

by ReadingRambler on Jul 21, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

and let's not forget

current players aside (who I’m sure hate it), USC seemed pretty content with what they had done, and showed no regret for “buying” a national championship. Everyone else is just jealous that we too don’t flagrantly ignore and abuse the rules. Even if USC could have controlled the system better, is there any evidence to suggest that they would have?

by The JuggerNitt on Jul 21, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

whoa

A could AND a would? We’ve just been bhgp’d.

Ohio State has the worst fans in the Big Ten. Bar none. And it’s not even close. Humorless in defeat. Condescending in victory. Generally insecure all the time. I’ve partied and had fun with fans of every team in this league, save Ohio State.

by jtothep on Jul 21, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

one thing is for sure, they should have

and if they would have, Penn State could have been in the National Championship game. And something about a woodchuck, too.

by The JuggerNitt on Jul 21, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

huh?

Ohio State has the worst fans in the Big Ten. Bar none. And it’s not even close. Humorless in defeat. Condescending in victory. Generally insecure all the time. I’ve partied and had fun with fans of every team in this league, save Ohio State.

by jtothep on Jul 21, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is no evidence to suggest that they would have done anything different

Which is why the penalty was so harsh.

What do you say when you want a pretzel? MICHIGAN SUCKS!

by jesse. on Jul 21, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

After the penalty and the AD

decided to show his a$$, the NCAA should have treated USC like a naughty child backtalking after receiving a 1 week punishment. You want two smartypants, you got it – two weeks. Say another word USC and another 3 scholarships go, plus the office interns get to have their way with Kiffikin’s Wife.

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Jul 21, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

You'll have to get in line behind this kid and grandma

Ohio State has the worst fans in the Big Ten. Bar none. And it’s not even close. Humorless in defeat. Condescending in victory. Generally insecure all the time. I’ve partied and had fun with fans of every team in this league, save Ohio State.

by jtothep on Jul 21, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think she's holding back

that hem could be a few inches higher – and those heels are quite whorish enough.

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Jul 21, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

The suregons in So. Cal. will fix her up great.

What do you say when you want a pretzel? MICHIGAN SUCKS!

by jesse. on Jul 21, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah ok

I’m not a USC apologist, but you know there are situations where a star player takes benefits and the school has no idea. The NCAA needs to do something to protect the schools instead of this current model where players and agents are allowed to have contact with one another without the school knowing it.

by BSD on Jul 21, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

indeed

it is kinda silly that the NCAA essentially relies on the schools to self report, when it appears that most of the time the schools will probably get away with anything anyway, and being reported (self or not) is just going to hurt the program anyway. Sure, there are the programs with morals, but as the great philosopher once said, “Everyone does — kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me.”

by The JuggerNitt on Jul 21, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Where'd you get the suit Curtis" vs. "How should I know where Reggie's parents live"

Is it the interest in the young man or the wins and accolades that come with it. tWWL and others in the MSM have been telling us all the the student/athlete is extinct. They’re ok with it because it seems to be adding to their bottom line.

Coach Paterno has not always been alone in his Grand Experiment Crusade in trying to shepherd these young men. I’ve always looked at the punch line about Dean Smith as the only guy who could hold Jordan under 15 pts per game as a credit to Coach Smith to help these guys be the best they can be beyond their college playing days not just racking up wins. Unfortunately it’s difficult to find coaches and ADs today that are willing to look beyond their BCS championships and megamillion contracts.

Hey sports fans, do you want to be filled up or do you want it to taste good?

by Frank O'Brien on Jul 21, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

They just need legislation

I mean, all that money and they can’t afford a good lobbyist? Everyone’s got a lobbyist. Go get a bill drafted, approved, and sent to the house floor for a vote:

Lobby for federal legislation that makes it punishable by an enormous fine to pay a college football player. If you’re an agent, 2 strikes and you’re out — disbarred or banished or whatever. Then give them the power of subpoena. Put those cockroaches under oath and see how nonchalant they act when they’re facing the possibility of perjury and obstruction of justice charges to go along with the huge fines.

I just don’t understand why this enormous wealthy organization isn’t lobbying for legislation.

by millzners on Jul 21, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Legislation seems like the only effective remedy...

But I wonder how well it would fly in the courts. I’m no lawyer, but this sounds like restraint of trade to me.

"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway

by SubLime on Jul 21, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

what enormous wealthy organization are you talking about

that actually has a stake in caring that college players don’t get paid

by The JuggerNitt on Jul 21, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you get the impression that the Cowboys (or Cowboys fans)

didn’t realize how smart Sean Lee is? One thing that stuck out at me what how they kept mentioning how smart and sharp he was with excellent retention and an ability to absorb things quickly, etc, etc.

I’m proud of both Sean Lee and Tamba Hali getting such high praise for their work ethic. They deserve it!

For the glory

by Paige2PSU on Jul 21, 2010 11:52 AM EDT reply actions  

I have to assume that they also talked to that LB from Alabama

And just presumed that all Backers have an IQ of 45.

"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."

-J.V.Pa.

by psume06 on Jul 21, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Give Jerra some credit

or someone else in the organization that spotted this and grabbed Lee ahead of all the projections. As for Cowboy fans in general, yeah, their next clue will be their first.

by Frank O'Brien on Jul 21, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can someone explain to me what's wrong with accepting money from an agent?

I know that it’s against NCAA rules, and the offending parties should be punished.

But is this a smart regulation? What does this rule accomplish? I’m probably just missing something, but as I see it, I don’t see why I kid shouldn’t be able to have an agent when they’re in college. I know a guy—a writer—who had a book agent when he was in college; why shouldn’t an athlete be able to have one?

If the agent is willing to pay them, good for the athlete. As long as the money isn’t contingent on performance or something, I don’t really see what the problem is. They wouldn’t be receiveing money for playing sports, they’d be receiving money for their future ability to play sports…

I must be missing something…

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Jul 21, 2010 12:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Here's the problem

You would have schools entering into agreements with agents. You represent our guys and take care of them. Now I can go out and recruit and tell everyone I have the best agent with the deepest pockets and get all the best players.

by BSD on Jul 21, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

that makes sense

but I’d think you could get around this and the NCAA could just regulate agents, sort of the way the feds try to with lobbyists. You’d have to register and the NCAA could say that no agent could represent more than two or three or x players on a team, and that no team could have more than x players with agents.

I realize this isn’t going to happen, but it seems like one of these things were the NCAA puts the kids who play by the rules at a disadvantage. I suppose you can still take out insurance on yourself, but otherwise, you have no way of getting paid if you get hurt playing NCAA football for free, when you could have an NFL career.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Jul 21, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure

we want a system modeled after the way lobbyists are “regulated” by the feds.

by KevinHD on Jul 21, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

well the system i propose isn't really "modeled" after the lobbyist disclosure rules

it’s just similar in that agents would have to register as agents.

As a registered lobbyist, I think that the federal system is pretty stupid, but it does give the feds avenues through which to enforce regulations if and when they want to.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Jul 21, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

same as mine, really.

by KevinHD on Jul 21, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, though the NFL hook is really important

because this helps keep people who aren’t really agents out of the system.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Jul 21, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do like your attitude, though.

which is “ncaa, get your head out of the sand.” To your second point, and I’m no lawyer, but I still don’t understand how the NFL’s ban on under-agers held up in court. Seems cartel-like.

by KevinHD on Jul 21, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still

You’re creating an arms race. Now who is to say kids don’t sign with agents in high school? And now the agent handles his recruiting. Is the agent really going to look out for the best interest of his client? Or is he going to look out for himself?

by BSD on Jul 21, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

And then we have

AAU basketball.

Ohio State has the worst fans in the Big Ten. Bar none. And it’s not even close. Humorless in defeat. Condescending in victory. Generally insecure all the time. I’ve partied and had fun with fans of every team in this league, save Ohio State.

by jtothep on Jul 21, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Boeheim?

really? id say Jim Calhoun first, maybe calipari. Not aware of Boeheim’s recruiting violations.

by swiggy04 on Jul 21, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isn't that kind of what happened with OJ Mayo...

What do you say when you want a pretzel? MICHIGAN SUCKS!

by jesse. on Jul 21, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

this seems likely to be a much bigger deal in hoops

where you can tell in 7th grade who has potential, as opposed to football where you don’t really know for a long time. Not to mention that the NBA contracts are way bigger than NFL contracts.

But the NCAA would be in the position of having to regulate both hoops and football, so who knows. I think you might be able to work something out where agents have to register with both the pro leagues and the NCAA, so that they’d risk their profession if they were found messing with a high schooler.

I also think NCAA players should get paid—nothing crazy or even six digits, just something for the effort—so I’m going to come down on a different side of this than others.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Jul 21, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair

I represented a Dad in a custody relocation case once. The primary reason the kid wanted to move was so that he could play for a better high school football team. One of my exhibits was a recruiting letter from Pitt, the kid was in seventh grade at the time. He’s a sophmore now. Hell of a football player, he has a real good chance of playing D1 ball.

What do you say when you want a pretzel? MICHIGAN SUCKS!

by jesse. on Jul 21, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope you told him Pitt sucks.

by BSD on Jul 21, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trust me, I mentioned it.

What do you say when you want a pretzel? MICHIGAN SUCKS!

by jesse. on Jul 21, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure you did.

There is fire at the travel agency.

by ReadingRambler on Jul 21, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just checked his rivals page

He’s looking at Ohio State, North Carolina, Pitt and WVU.

What do you say when you want a pretzel? MICHIGAN SUCKS!

by jesse. on Jul 21, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Again, trust me, I did.

I’d put this kid at pretty close to a Pitt lock given his old man’s preference, and while boys will be boys he ain’t going to Penn State.

What do you say when you want a pretzel? MICHIGAN SUCKS!

by jesse. on Jul 21, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you a NLC donator?

IF so isn’t there a rule against talking to potential recruits/student-athletes? I’m not sure if that’s 100% kosher.

by buk110 on Jul 21, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I only talked to his dad.

And I never offered him anything. He paid his bill and everything. I actually keep that in mind when this issue comes up. My understanding is that this remains America, and the fact the Penn State could always use another offensive lineman is hardly a secret.

I’m pretty sure that we’re okay on potential recruiting violations.

What do you say when you want a pretzel? MICHIGAN SUCKS!

by jesse. on Jul 21, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

paying athletes

Not possible. If you pay the football and basketball players, it’s just a matter of time before the swim team sues for their fair share. If your school has 300 student athletes and you pay them $1000 per month for six months out of the year, that’s almost $2 million. School budgets are already in the red.

by BSD on Jul 21, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

it might not be possible

but i still thinks its not right that the guys who play revenue-generating sports don’t see any of the cheddar.

I hate you Title IX.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Jul 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder how many women get to go to college for free

that otherwise would have wound up pregnant cheerleaders if it wasn’t for Title IX?

What do you say when you want a pretzel? MICHIGAN SUCKS!

by jesse. on Jul 21, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously

Damn, spake, do you hate Progress, too?

Ohio State has the worst fans in the Big Ten. Bar none. And it’s not even close. Humorless in defeat. Condescending in victory. Generally insecure all the time. I’ve partied and had fun with fans of every team in this league, save Ohio State.

by jtothep on Jul 21, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils

by psu on Jul 21, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your mom was a cheerleader?

Ohio State has the worst fans in the Big Ten. Bar none. And it’s not even close. Humorless in defeat. Condescending in victory. Generally insecure all the time. I’ve partied and had fun with fans of every team in this league, save Ohio State.

by jtothep on Jul 21, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

my mother attended an all-girl's catholic high school

and spent a couple years in the convent considering becoming a nun, so….no.

my wife—and baby mama—was one, however. Though you’d never think that if you met her.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Jul 21, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

your mom sounds hot

Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils

by psu on Jul 21, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know it would never fly

but they could potentially tie the stipend to the revenue the team you play for brings in…

by The JuggerNitt on Jul 21, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

my point is that they should police the agents

instead of the players or the schools.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Jul 21, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

They do police the agents

by not allowing them to sign or give gifts to the players. Given that it’s already a rule that the player can’t play if they don’t comply, what relationship does the NCAA have with the agents exactly.

The NCAA is a cooperative, not a governing body. They can’t regulate the agents because they have no say over what the agents do or don’t do. In order to regulate them, they would need to allow the agents to have a relationship with the NCAA member organizations’ players. That’s exactly what they don’t want, so they don’t do it.

by PSUinBOSSton on Jul 21, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

my proposal would be for the NCAA and NFL to work in concert

to regulate agents. It would allow them access to players.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Jul 21, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

What interest does the NFL have?

Honestly. Why should they get involved? How are they negatively affected in any of this?

by BSD on Jul 21, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

The NFLPA has an interest

in making sure that its players are represented by professional and ethical people.

The NFL has no interest.

by PSUinBOSSton on Jul 21, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Think about it

The NFL will never crack down on agents. Say Tom Brady’s agent gets caught paying for Terrelle Pryor to use a hooker. You know, everyone does and all that.

So the NFL says the agent is on a two year suspension, just as Tom Brady is about to enter contract negotiations. How is that fair to Tom Brady?

by BSD on Jul 21, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

beantown is right

the NFLPA would have more of a direct interest here.

To respond to your Brady hypothetical: Tom Brady would, presumably, not be stupid enough to hire an agent stupid enough to cheat on regulations. This would make the system self-policing in a way.

And if what you describe did happen, Brady could simply hire one of any of the hundreds of other agents who would love to represent him and get their 10%.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Jul 21, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not practical though

How is Tom Brady supposed to know what his agent does with other clients? And after building a relationship with his agent over years, it’s not fair to him to tell him he has to find a new one.

by BSD on Jul 21, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okok

I’ll do it. I’m kind of busy, but I’ll be Tom Brady’s new agent.

by PSUinBOSSton on Jul 21, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would be the same...

as if your attorney got disbarred or your doctor lost his license.

Never mistake effort for achievement.

Ah, beer, my one weakness. My Achille's heel, if you will. - HJS

by Esteban d' Amur on Jul 21, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

what about if

your attorney spent all his time reading BSD instead of actually practicing law?

by The JuggerNitt on Jul 21, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

BSD isn't a CLE?

Never mistake effort for achievement.

Ah, beer, my one weakness. My Achille's heel, if you will. - HJS

by Esteban d' Amur on Jul 21, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the NCAA went to Goodell's office

and said, “We have a real problem with agents and we’d like you to help us fix it,” do you think Goodell would tell them to get lost?

I think he’d probably listen to their ideas. Maybe even offer assistance.

Its not good for the NFL or their owners to entered into contracts with players who three years later look like minor criminals b/c it’s discovered that they blatantly ignored several NCAA regulations.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Jul 21, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

The NFL benefits greatly from college football...

…and has no motivation to screw it up. But while I’m sure the answer isn’t “get lost” from the NFL, I think it’s a lot closer to “there’s not much we can do”.

The one thing I’d add is that it’s not reputable agents that are doing this. Hell, it’s not even the famous ass hole agents that are doing it. It’s wanna be rock-star agents that are doing it.

What do you say when you want a pretzel? MICHIGAN SUCKS!

by jesse. on Jul 21, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

according to espn (insider)

an nfl scout has said that this is saban’s reaction to what’s happening with Dareus:

The crux of this is Saban’s trying to get the cooperation of NFL commissioner Roger Goodell to get more proactive on (rogue) agents, the scout said.

“He’s trying to send a message to the commissioner: ’You’d better deal with these agents quickly or I’ll shut you down,’” the scout said. “He knows we [the NFL] are the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, so [Saban] might just say, ‘No one’s allowed in here period,’ and is forcing the league to take immediate action. And that’s the way we make our money.”

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Jul 21, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry if that's not too clear

Saban is threatening to cut off access to NFL scouts if the NFL doesn’t get a handle on the agents.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Jul 21, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's cutting off your nose..

to spite your face. So now Meyer tells recruits that if you go to ‘Bama NFL scouts won’t see you etc…

Never mistake effort for achievement.

Ah, beer, my one weakness. My Achille's heel, if you will. - HJS

by Esteban d' Amur on Jul 21, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bingo

It’s only effective if everyone does it. And you will alway have guys like Lane Kiffin and Urban Meyer happy to use your morality and ethics against you to get the guy they want.

by BSD on Jul 21, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

nevertheless

it demonstrates just one way in which the NCAA has some leverage over the NFL. If the NCAA was determined that they needed and wanted the NFL to help them fix the agent problem, they could get the NFL to comply.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Jul 21, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Urban Meyer and Lane Kiffin are pigs.

44 DAYS 19 HOURS 31 MINUTES 32 SECONDS UNTIL KICKOFF!!!

by Ab4PSU on Jul 21, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love that aspersions

are so often cast. Other negative nouns are only ever thrown or tossed. But aspersions, the require casting.

Ohio State has the worst fans in the Big Ten. Bar none. And it’s not even close. Humorless in defeat. Condescending in victory. Generally insecure all the time. I’ve partied and had fun with fans of every team in this league, save Ohio State.

by jtothep on Jul 21, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

the NCAA isn't a governing body?

didn’t they just impose sanctions on USC?

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Jul 21, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Couldn't have been more poorly written.

They are a cooperative of member universities (and so they are a governing body of themselves). They are not a governing body for professionals in any way (including players once they leave a member university and agents).

by PSUinBOSSton on Jul 21, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, yes, of course

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Jul 21, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Accepting money

lose your amateur status. No longer an amateur, can’t play. Simple as that.

John has a long moustache

by AdamShell on Jul 21, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

remember when people played because they loved the game?

Ia ora te natura, E mea arofa teie ao nei
Ua pau te maitai no te fenua, Re zai noa ra te ora o te mitie
SAVE THE GULF

by letsgopsu on Jul 21, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know, that's what people used to say about Brett Favre

said he was the last “true” football player… for the love of the game, just having a good time…

Notice how people aren’t saying that anymore

John has a long moustache

by AdamShell on Jul 22, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't imagine he's playing for the $

I suppose the argument could be made that he’s playing for his legacy now, though, and not so much for pure love of the game

by The JuggerNitt on Jul 23, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's basically the point I was trying to make

is that maybe he’s playing for legacy/ego and not so much actual love of the game. On the other hand, he hardly has anything left he needs to prove, so maybe he really does just enjoy playing.

by The JuggerNitt on Jul 25, 2010 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t have all the details on how this would work, but I think you need NFL involvement. Right now you have agents who with incentives to break rules at the expense of…the kid they are trying to bribe. Remember, it was basically an agent that got Reggie Bush busted, one who broke all the rules but didn’t get the results, so told the world about the wrongdoings.

Make agents register with the NFL, the NFL tells the NCAA they will ban any agents who are caught tampering with NCAA eligibility. Now agents mess with college athletes at the risk of their entire career.

by KevinHD on Jul 21, 2010 12:36 PM EDT reply actions  

we're going to come up with a better system for regulating agents in 15 minutes

than the one that the NCAA already has.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Jul 21, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

as I understand it

Agents must register with the NFLPA and risk disbarment (is that what you’d call it?) if they get caught mucking around with NCAA eligible-players. I believe I heard a clip from DeMaurice Smith (head of the PA) spitting some fire and brimstone on this topic… “Frankly, God help those agents if they’re found to be in violation,” etc.

Usually, it’s very rare when a guy is dumb or blatant enough to get caught while still in school… it usually years later, and the institution ends up holding the bag (rightly so, but still.) So the players have almost no incentive to do the right thing. (Have you ever met a 19-year-old who would turn down $100,000 in cash?)

 It has to come from the top down.

by lendamico on Jul 21, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Correct.

And agents have lost “certification” for breaking the NCAA rules in the past. But what you’re talking about is one group (NFLPA) using it’s money to police the rules of another group (NCAA). Not only that, but the “certifying” group (NFLPA) contains the other half of the guilty parties.

The NFLPA believes, I’m sure, that there are more pressing matters to spend it’s money on than policing NCAA regulations. Player health and safety, retirement, salaries, playing conditions etc are all more worthy causes to them. The two groups need to cooperate in the form of the NCAA providing a pool of money for the NFLPA to police the agents it certifies. That or the 2 groups need to form a non-profit joint-venture, funded by both, that pays more attention to the agents.

by PSUinBOSSton on Jul 21, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I caught a quote from Nick Saban on Sportscenter last night

And he (of course) was calling for the NFL to do something to punish these agents for ruining the eligibility of college players, or something along those lines (all I really took from it was that he sure wasn’t going to blame himself or Bama for not teaching these kids that contact with agents is very bad).

Like you said above, I’m not a lawyer and don’t know the legalities of this, but right now only the schools are really taking any sort of punishment. Why not do more than that? In addition to punishing the school (since they must not have done enough to teach their players the price of talking to an agent in college), and your suggestion of the NFL punishing agents (or probably better yet, sports agencies since it would be tough to not have another agent take the place of the one that contacted a college player), how about having the NFL ban the kid from the draft for a year after he leaves or is kicked off his college team. Let’s see how strong their work ethic is when they have to rely on their college education for a year before they can make the big bucks. Knocking their ego’s down a few notches by dropping a few rounds and a few million dollars seems an adequate punishment to me.

I’m tired of seeing people like Reggie Bush get off scott free, just to end up making millions in the draft as they wave their college goodbye. There are three parties involved in any NCAA violation, I say punish all three, not just one.

by dawsonPSU10 on Jul 21, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

how would this affect really anyone?

since usually it comes out after they’ve been drafted. Also, if the kid knows he’s gonna be making bank, he won’t find another job waiting tables, that’s for sure. It is going to be near impossible to punish the kids outside of kicking them off of the college team.

by The JuggerNitt on Jul 21, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

IIRC, PA passed a law against agents tampering with student/athletes after the Enis' new clothes situation

Maybe our crack BSD legal staff can give us some insight. It was also brought up in the Pouncey case that Florida has laws against this as well.

by Frank O'Brien on Jul 21, 2010 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Apropos of Nothing

I now have an Aunt-in-Law who was the pediatrician for the Pouncey twins when they were babies. She says she couldn’t tell at 6mos that they would grow up to be NFL-caliber.

Ohio State has the worst fans in the Big Ten. Bar none. And it’s not even close. Humorless in defeat. Condescending in victory. Generally insecure all the time. I’ve partied and had fun with fans of every team in this league, save Ohio State.

by jtothep on Jul 21, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I recall,

around 36 states have these laws, including the state of Florida. Again, try to tell the state police or whomever that this is the best use of public safety resources.

by PSUinBOSSton on Jul 21, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Ohio State has the worst fans in the Big Ten. Bar none. And it’s not even close. Humorless in defeat. Condescending in victory. Generally insecure all the time. I’ve partied and had fun with fans of every team in this league, save Ohio State.

by jtothep on Jul 21, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

or NAMBLA

Black Shoe Diaries, SB Nation Pittsburgh

Fugitweet

God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...

by Adam Bittner on Jul 21, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rambler,

bring back the “You Found Us” posts, NOW!!!!!!!!!!!

by bconway6 on Jul 21, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hard to know what to make of the Dareus situation at Alabama. But it sounds like the lightest punishment he’s looking at is a 2-3 game suspension, which means he very likely won’t be on the field against PSU. Alabama’s defense was already looking vulnerable; without Dareus on the line, I think PSU will have solid success running the ball.

by newenglandnittanylion on Jul 21, 2010 1:48 PM EDT reply actions  

2-3 games IF he pays back what he recieved in gifts/gratuities for the trip. No payback, no play.

by BMAN13 on Jul 21, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno

This is pretty blatant if he accepted air fare, hotel and meals. This isn’t like a booster gave him a ride to the train station or a bar let him in without paying the cover charge.

by BSD on Jul 21, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought...

that once you had contact with an agent you’ve essentially foreited your eligibility. For like, ever.

What do you say when you want a pretzel? MICHIGAN SUCKS!

by jesse. on Jul 21, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's the rule as posted over on RBR

http://www.rollbamaroll.com/2010/7/20/1579658/quick-everyone-freak-out-about

It makes it sound like contact isn’t an issue – signing or verbally agreeing to a contract or receiving benefits is an issue.

the Philosophy Statement in 1.1 lays out the NCAA’s baseline for athletes who wish to compete at the collegiate level.

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Jul 21, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I need to learn how to write with a southern accent

any guy whose a half-decent writer at RBR reads like he’s g-d Atticus Fitch.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Jul 21, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mistuh Spake, Ah do beleeve that you ahh out ov liiine to suhhgest that uh Daaaamn Yankee such as yoself could speek with a half decent accent.

Oh, I don’t think Peck spoke with much of an accent in the movie, but I haven’t watched it an a while.

There is fire at the travel agency.

by ReadingRambler on Jul 21, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

Ohio State has the worst fans in the Big Ten. Bar none. And it’s not even close. Humorless in defeat. Condescending in victory. Generally insecure all the time. I’ve partied and had fun with fans of every team in this league, save Ohio State.

by jtothep on Jul 21, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mebbe if yooou wuh to go heeeruh, yooou could improooove yo accent.

http://www.finebaum.com/audio.html

Now Paaaaul, Paaaaaul, Auburn’s gonna kick yo Bama ass dis yeeah!

There is fire at the travel agency.

by ReadingRambler on Jul 21, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

The Gift of Bowl Game Ineligibility.

by Cairo on Jul 21, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

People say a lot of bad things about Spurrier

But Florida could have mopped the floor with us that day. FWIW, it’s the only time I can recall seeing Steve Spurrier content to let a tailback run for 200 yards and win the game with a respectable score.

Just sayin’.

What do you say when you want a pretzel? MICHIGAN SUCKS!

by jesse. on Jul 21, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not arguing.

Just blaming Enis and Juryvicious for being dumb.

There is fire at the travel agency.

by ReadingRambler on Jul 21, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't agree....

If Spurrier could have won by 200 to 0, he would have. Over the years, the sentiment that he took it easy on us is just BS.

by DerryPharmer on Jul 21, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look, ESPN's stats don't go back that far.

But I’m pretty sure Spurrier didn’t try to do .

There is fire at the travel agency.

by ReadingRambler on Jul 21, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have you some insight to share on this DP?

I don’t remember that game well, I was starting a new job and in the middle of moving that day so I don’t think I watched much of it.

One thing that has always struck me about the enigma that is Joe Paterno is that he always speaks so highly of guys like Spurrier who seem to fly in the face of his Grand Experiment. Make’s me think Spurrier isn’t the douchebag we all take him for. I admire that ability and try to practice it my own life but I’m not very tolerant of them and tend to treat them like Joe treats sports writers.

The stats below are from Nittany Anthology

1997 FLORIDA CITRUS BOWL
Penn State 0 3 3 0 – 6
Florida 14 0 0 7 – 21

                PSU Fla
First Downs 9 23
Net Yards 139 397
Rushing 47 254
Passing 92 143
Passes 10×32 9×19
Punts/Avg 7-42 5-36
Fumbles/Lost 0-0 2-1

by Frank O'Brien on Jul 22, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well look at the stats.

He let Fred Taylor eat us alive, but that never been the visors m/o. He absolutely didn’t try and run up the score, although if you wanted to make the argument that he couldn’t have gone pass wacky and beat us 30 points I suppose you could.

I think we had no offense that day, and he figured he just don’t turn the ball over, let his defense do the heavy lifiting, and get out of there without “lit up Joe Paterno in a game where he didn’t have his two best players” on his permanent record.

Maybe that’s different than “took it easy on Penn State”. But they could have leveled us that day, and I stand by it.

What do you say when you want a pretzel? MICHIGAN SUCKS!

by jesse. on Jul 22, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I mean, if I'm reading the above stats correctly

Florida threw 9 times. Nine? Florida?

What do you say when you want a pretzel? MICHIGAN SUCKS!

by jesse. on Jul 22, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

19

I think Spurrier was waaay more afraid of the PSU defense scoring than the offense. Had he opened it up he may have crushed us but I still remember it as being about as completely dominated as any game I ever watched. PSU was never in that game, even worse than the one Nebraska game and much worse than the 09 Rose Bowl. I think Joe even thanked Spurrier at the post game pressor for not destroying us.

by BMAN13 on Jul 22, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

So he was 9 for 19 passing

Fred Taylor killed us in that game. Killed us. Maybe the best performance by an opposing running back against Penn State that I ever saw. Maybe not, but it’s close.

What do you say when you want a pretzel? MICHIGAN SUCKS!

by jesse. on Jul 22, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd give it to Mike Hart in 2007.

Is there any way Michigan wins that game without him?

There is fire at the travel agency.

by ReadingRambler on Jul 22, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

None.

What do you say when you want a pretzel? MICHIGAN SUCKS!

by jesse. on Jul 22, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

grrrrrrrrr

Ia ora te natura, E mea arofa teie ao nei
Ua pau te maitai no te fenua, Re zai noa ra te ora o te mitie
SAVE THE GULF

by letsgopsu on Jul 21, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

For the first time in my lifeI

I think I’m finding myself agreeing more and more with Saban on this one. He has not said that his player shouldn’t be held accountable, he just said we’ll look into it.

But he is right, these scummy agents, not the good ones who do their jobs, should be punished too. If they are immune from penalty, what would stop them from trying to sign a kid illegally. Do they really care if he loses eligibility? No, they only care if they get his money.

by STU Boy on Jul 21, 2010 2:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I see your point

but when you’ve spent your coaching career bouncing from team to team, failing to honor your commitments, and generally acting like a jagoff, it comes off as disingenuous at best.

No matter how many teams are in it, I will continue to dislike the Big Ten.

by Illegal Formation on Jul 21, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

For all of you guys who can't wait for a new coach post-Paterno

to come in from the outside…. be careful what you wish for.

Days like today make me appreciate Joe more and more.

Not to say that this can’t or hasn’t happened at PSU – check the 98 Citrus Bowl to see how Curtis Enis did. Oh wait, that’s right. Joe kicked him off the team for taking money from an agent prior to the bowl game.

by Tailgate Shogun on Jul 21, 2010 5:27 PM EDT reply actions  

And JoeJury

kicked off for not going to class.

by DerryPharmer on Jul 22, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Where is Enis now?

Never mistake effort for achievement.

Ah, beer, my one weakness. My Achille's heel, if you will. - HJS

by Esteban d' Amur on Jul 22, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I might have the crazy details mixed up

but I believe he married a stripper and is now a preacher somewhere. Something like that.

by dawsonPSU10 on Jul 22, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow.

Never mistake effort for achievement.

Ah, beer, my one weakness. My Achille's heel, if you will. - HJS

by Esteban d' Amur on Jul 22, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

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