Q&A With Lou Prato - Part II
Yesterday was Part I of our discussion with Lou Prato where we learned about Lou's career and why Pitt claims so many national championships. Today is Part II of our discussion with the premier Penn State historian.
BSD: I'm shocked with how much recruiting has changed in just the past 20 years. It's so high-profile now with the internet websites and kids holding elaborate press conferences broadcast on ESPN. It almost seems like head coaches are judged by their recruiting class ranking just as tough as how many games they win on the field. Coaches text high school kids on their cell phone in the middle of math class. Fans stalk recruits on their Facebook page. Has recruiting always been this sleazy and we just didn't know about it? If it wasn't always like this, where do you think things started to go wrong?
Mike, there have been aspects of recruiting that have been sleazy long before you and I were born. Fans today forget all about the "tramp athlete" of the early 1900s. They went from school to school because of the lack of educational requirements and any governing body in collegiate sports. Believe me Penn State had a few. In fact, corruption in collegiate recruiting was one reason Penn State deemphasized all sports back in the 1930s. And maybe you've never heard Joe Paterno talk about his days as an assistant coach in the 1950s and early1960s and all the recruiting high-jinks that went on, like the time Pitt hid Mike Ditka in a hotel so Penn State couldn't find him.
Today is worse because of television, the internet, and all the other latest electronic wizardry like cell phones, I-phones, "blueberries" (as Joe sometimes calls them), twitter, Facebook, etc. What do you expect when television turns local high school kids into national sports celebrities? And now an entire business has evolved. And it sells soap, to use the old marketing saying. There have always been snake oil salesmen. So, am I surprised at the sleaze? No. But I don't pay attention to it like a lot of the folks monitoring Black Shoes Diary. There is too much B. S. in it all.
BSD: There's no doubt that joining the Big Ten has been good for Penn State University, but do you think it has been good for Penn State football? Do you miss the days when Penn State competed with its old east coast rivals as an independent?
I loved the old rivalries as an independent, and I don't just mean just Pitt, but Maryland, Syracuse and even West Virginia-where going to Morgantown to see a game was like invading another country. That was never a pleasant experience. But it is all different now and it is not going to go back to "the old days." In fact, buckle your seat, because I don't think these conference realignments are even close to being over.
As for the Big Ten, I spent nearly 15 years in Big Ten country and enjoyed it, even though it was the Big Two and Little Eight back then, and - I hate to write this now - I was a big Michigan fan. Our radio station in Detroit broadcast the games and I was the spotter for our play-by-play man. I was there to see a lot of the Bo-Woody shenanigans, and I learned to dislike Ohio State. I used to get kidded a lot by my Midwestern peers about "eastern football," and I loved it when Penn State would knock off a Big Ten team, especially Ohio State as the 1978 team did.
Yes, I do think the Big Ten has been good for Penn State football, despite our losing streak in the early 2000s, and certainly financially. Name an eastern school today that has the respect Penn State still has, despite our lack of success in the Big Ten in those "down" years. Sure, it takes longer to get to games in the Midwest, but I guarantee alumni who live out there love it. I know. I have met many of them. What really irritates me is all the fans complaining about not playing more eastern teams in our non-conference games, especially Pitt. Pitt had its chance to help form an all-sports eastern conference when Paterno tried to do it 30 years ago. They and the others can only blame themselves for Penn State going to the Big Ten when it was offered the chance. Yes, it would nice to have a true arch rival in the Big Ten but so what. Maybe we will someday, perhaps Nebraska, or maybe even Iowa if we keep losing those crucial games to the Hawkeyes.
BSD: How do you think the Nittany Lions are going to look this year?
If I really knew the answer, I'd be in Vegas living the life of a king. I'm as concerned as all the other fans about the QB situation, as well as the offensive line (as usual). But being successful depends on a lot of luck and the character of the players, their chemistry and the coaching, both off and on the field. Who knows? But skipping over all that stuff, this team could be at least 9-3 or 5-7. It depends on a lot of factors. That's why I try not to think about it but just go to the game. As Joe has often said, "Take care of the little things and the big things take care of themselves"
BSD: Where can people go to purchase your books?
Glad you asked. I still have about 25 or so copies of The Penn State Football Encyclopedia left. The publisher went out of business a couple of years ago and I bought up all the copies. People have asked me when I am going to bring out an update. I've discussed that with a couple of publishers but they weren't interested, and it would be very costly for me to do it on my own. But who knows.
What It Means to be a Nittany Lion is sold out and the publisher isn't planning a second printing.
The Penn State Football Vault is still going strong. The publisher just informed me they are going to be restocking the stores before the fall. I don't sell it but anyone can by the book from the usual sources-the Penn State Book Store, Amazon, etc.
Since Game Changers: The Greatest Plays in Penn State Football didn't come out until last October, I hope to sell more of those this year, either myself or through the official gopsu.com web site. We are discussing that prospect right now.
So, anyone is interested in a personalized autographed copy of either the Encyclopedia or Game Changers, they can contact me via E-mail at louprato (at) comcast (dot) net, or my telephone number 814-692-5577. But be advised, I don't take credit cards.
And thanks for asking me to participate in your Black Shoes Diaries chat.
WE ARE......PENN STATE!
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Nice interview.
And on I side note, you have to love him calling it an “I-phone” while simultaneously making fun of Paterno for not knowing they are called Blackberries.
I-phone vs. iPhone? am I missing the humor in this
I suppose I’m closer to Lou on the geek hipster scale than the rest of y’all
by Frank O'Brien on Jul 28, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
It just that Apple has been using the lower case “i” with a word (iPad, iPhone, iPod, iMac, etc) for 10+ years. In fact they have been using it for longer than Blackberries have even existed. By spelling it “I-phone” he is showing that he is just as out of touch with technology as Paterno is by saying “Blueberries.”
by VVeRPennState on Jul 28, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Concur.
Best I’ve read here.
Friend of the Pants since 2009.
by ReadingRambler on Jul 28, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah that wasn't in The Vault
Also, that sucks about the Encyclopedia, I was looking everywhere for that.
everyone does
Where I Come From
we tweedle-doo tweedle-dee on our blueberries and I phones
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
Couldn't agree more
But skipping over all that stuff, this team could be at least 9-3 or 5-7. It depends on a lot of factors.
This PSU team has a lot of potential, experience, and good parts. I expect Ohio State to be a great team: a win isn’t impossible, but I’m not holding my breath. The rest of the schedule is a different matter.
I think Alabama and Iowa should be very good teams, but are a far cry from unbeatable, especially early in the season. Temple and MSU should be improved teams that went bowling a year ago, and Indiana was only an atrocious interception call away from being in the same category. The Michigan game might be a must-win for RichRod, so who knows (and yes, Michigan should take great offense to the notion that I’m openly more scared of Temple and Indiana than I am of them).
Nothing from 5-7 to 11-1 would shock me, but I’m still expecting 9-3 +/- 1 win/loss.
Idle talk and hollow promises; cheating Judases; doubting Thomases
8-4 +/- 1
If someone put the over/under on 8.5 wins for PSU it would be the perfect line. You’ll get a lot of people thinking 8 wins and a lot of people thinking 9.
I agree and would bet a small amount of money on the over
Idle talk and hollow promises; cheating Judases; doubting Thomases
I guess it depends on your definition of shock
5-7 would surprise and disappoint me, but I don’t think it’s outside the realm of possibility.
3 road games against last year’s BCS winners
3 games against teams that went bowling last year or Indiana (who should have) with a lot coming back
1 game against a top 10 all time team
5 other games, even if two are against Youngstown State and Kent State
Seven losses would be a modest surprise and disappointment, and 11-1 would be the same thing in a much better direction, but yeah, not a shock to me.
Idle talk and hollow promises; cheating Judases; doubting Thomases
Please stop this madness.
Friend of the Pants since 2009.
by ReadingRambler on Jul 28, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
It's too late.
So much depends on the QB this year. Unless, of course, Penn State goes old school Wisconsin and gives the ball to Royster 40 times a game…
Yeah, I think that plan might work. The QB will almost never throw the ball in that offense.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jul 28, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
fine by me
Ia ora te natura, E mea arofa teie ao nei
Ua pau te maitai no te fenua, Re zai noa ra te ora o te mitie
SAVE THE GULF
I'd be shocked...
if they go 5-7 or 6-6. I think the QB/Offensive line play would have to be pretty poor for that to happen. The games at Bama, OSU and Iowa will be tough, but PSU has become a pretty good road team in the last few years. 1-2 is those games is a good possiblity.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
Ah, beer, my one weakness. My Achille's heel, if you will. - HJS
by Esteban d' Amur on Jul 28, 2010 10:48 AM EDT reply actions
With the defense we have, I find it hard to believe we could go 5-7, 6-6
I know you need an offense to put up some points, but a mediocre offensive game with a most likely top ten defense, I just find a tying or losing season to be as out of the park as seeing 11-1 or better this season, but who knows.
Damn.....
I just start understanding the Morse Code and they bring in these Dingleberry things.
by DerryPharmer on Jul 28, 2010 11:00 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Ditka...
Hmmm…not so sure about that “hiding him in a hotel” story. Maybe it did happen, but I also heard Ditka say, on “In My Own Words” with Stan Savran, when Savran asked him “Why Pitt?”, that he was all set to go to Penn State…that Joe as an assistant had recruited him…but he had decided to study dentistry in college and figured (rightly) that Pitt was the better school for that. Yeah, I know what you’re thinking…Iron Mike, a dentist. He even chuckled at that one himself when he told the story.
They replay this episode occasionally on FSN in Pittsburgh if you’re interesting in hearing it for yourself.
that doesnt necessarily mean
that Pitt didnt hide him in a hotel room, it just means that had they not, he would have picked Pitt anyway.
Ditka's roommate worked for me.....
and he says this is a true story.
by DerryPharmer on Jul 28, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Lou Prato Responds
First, to all of you who have commented, I appreciate your nice comments.
Secondly, yeah, I am almost as out of touch as JoePa. I don’t own a blueberry, I don’t twiddle dee or twiddle dum, I don’t own an I phone or iphone or mephone. I don’t own an I pod either or a fish pond, or a blue ray, and I don’t read books on a kindle or by candle. BUT I do have a real cell phone and a real computer and a laptop—and a couple of old typewriters in case the power goes out for several weeks—and its very nice to “chat” with a great Penn State fan like Mike and to read what all you great Penn State fans have to say.
Oh, I really don’t hate Pitt, I’m just tired of all the whining. Talk about fans who are out of touch!!! Heck, Penn State’s bitterest rival was once Bucknell!!!! and PENN!!! So, I repeat the code word – 48-14.
And Mike Ditka did switch to Pitt even after Paterno got him a job with a well known State alumnus who owned a consulting engineering company. There was a motel bit to the entire recruiting affair. But sometimes my mind is as out of touch as my technical knowledge.
Thanks again Black Shoe Diaries’ fans.
WE ARE… PENN STATE!!!
Lou
by Lou Prato on Jul 28, 2010 1:31 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Agree on Pitt and their fans...
Pitt is a very good school (on par with PSU…own up to it) with good athletics. Basketball is excellent, football is good, but PSU is certainly better overall and on average in football by any measure by any rational person. What I can’t stand is the fans and the Pgh media. For whatever reason they can’t take any type of success or failure without somehow measuring it against PSU. To me it’s indicative of a classic inferiority complex on their part.
It wasn’t always this way with their fans. Something changed around the mid 80s with their fans’ attitude. Maybe it was because that’s when things started to go downhill for them in football…I don’t know. But it turned ugly with them then and the childishness of it (e.g., “Penn State sucks!” chant) is ridiculous. The local media is even worse because they are supposed to have a degree of professionalism, but they really have a hard time hiding their general dislike of PSU and Paterno.
And as for Joe having a grudge about the whole Big East thing and that’s why PSU and Pitt no longer play…well, Pitt joined the Big East around 1982 (and PSU joined the Big 10 in the early 90s). Yet they’ve played several times since then. Some grudge! If Joe had been truly spiteful and holding a grudge they wouldn’t have played at all after any future game scheduled prior to 1982.
Again, I didn’t say the Ditka incident didn’t happen. And I have no inside or in depth knowledge of PSU athletics…I’m just an alumnus and fan. But I do know exactly what I heard from Ditka’s own mouth on Savran’s show. Maybe that’s just “his story and he’s sticking to it”, but that’s what he’s on the record as saying.
Your info and insight is great and I enjoy it. Thansk.
Yeah, big difference.
Sh*t on Pitt is a relic from the past and was mainly reserved for when PSU was playing Pitt; Penn State Sucks is all the time with Pitt, even today. No matter what the sport or the opponent, they chant it. To say either of them when the teams are playing is one thing (and while both are a bit tasteless, it’s part of the game/rivalry for the fans), but to say it all the time is indeed childish.
Let me be clear: Not all Pitt fans are like this. And PSU certainly has its share of idiot fans who frankly embarrass me. But there’s way, WAY more of this puerile behavior from the Pitt fans. And from living in W. Pa all of my life I see and hear it all the time. But you know…I honestly think it comes more from the fans who never even attended Pitt than their alumni. Regardless, it’s annoying and tiresome and causes me to root against Pitt 99% of the time.
Why Why Why...
after reading interview part I, did I immediately jump on Amazon yesterday and buy a used copy of the encyclopedia {pounding head on desk}. I could have purchased a brand new autographed edition right from the source. Lesson learned – ask the question before jumping.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
You don't have to advertise it on here
but just curious, what would you be asking for the encyclopedia?
Btw, the PSU Football Vault proudly adorns my family’s living room table for all to see, it was a great collection of history, and I loved the little inserts of ticket stubs, etc. It brought a lot of life to the history of the program, and was a fantastic read.
Penn State Vault +1
I, too, have the book at my left elbow at the moment. Great read and props to Lou.
Thank you for your wonderful insight.
Friend of the Pants since 2009.
by ReadingRambler on Aug 1, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Nothing from Lou Prato is sad
show some respect
Idle talk and hollow promises; cheating Judases; doubting Thomases

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