Where I Come From: My All-Time Favorite Penn State Team
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I wish I could say my all-time favorite Penn State teams were either 1982 or 1986, but I was a bit young back then to fully appreciate them. Even though I was 12, my parents let me stay up late to watch the 1986 National Championship game. Until I purchased and watched the DVD a few years ago, I only remembered two plays from the entire game. I remembered D.J. Dozier scoring the go ahead touchdown and taking a knee in prayer. In the mind of a 12-year old I remember wondering if he was allowed to do that. Odd. The other play I remember was Pete Giftopoulos making the final interception at the goal line and scrambling around for a few seconds not knowing what to do. Again, the 12-year old in me wanted him to run it back for a touchdown, and I think he did too before he came to his senses.
I wish I was a bit older to really enjoy those seasons, but we don't get to choose when we're born I guess. So in choosing my favorite team of all-time, I have to pick between 1994 and 2005.
The 1994 team was special because I got to witness it from the student section. Not many students get to witness an undefeated season while they are in school, but I was one of the lucky few. And though that team had a ton of talent and they were fun to watch, I wouldn't consider them my favorite team.
My favorite team has to be the 2005 team. The 1994 team was methodical in the way they surgically dissected an opponent. There was never any doubt in any game that they were going to win. Even when they fell behind by three touchdowns at Illinois, everyone knew they were going to come back and win. Things weren't so easy with the 2005 team. They had to fight for every first down. Struggle for every score. And the defense couldn't take a series or two off like the 1994 team could.
The 2005 team was also special to me because they pulled Penn State football out of the depths of their darkest era. It was particularly satisfying to see them struggle in the first half of the Northwestern game and pull it together. That was the game where something clicked and they started realizing their full potential. I remember talking to my uncle on the phone after the Minnesota game and saying with disbelief, "They might actually be good." It was a sensation I hadn't associated with Penn State football in a long time, and that's why the 2005 team will always be special to me.
What's your all-time favorite Penn State team?
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I concur, if only because I attended this game.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
That was...
one of the best senior days—EVER. The weather was unlike anything ever for November. Combine that with the fact that this game was a late enough kickoff that it ended at night, it ended up probably being one of the greatest atmospheres in Beaver Stadium history. But I’m afraid that far too many fans actually overlook this game when conjuring up their lists of best games.
A Garden State Nittany Lion...
by Mike Pettigano on Jul 6, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
THIS....
was the best PSU game I’ve been to. Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful weather.
Even though I graduated in Spring 2005, I still felt like that game was my “Senior Day” because I felt pretty close with that team watching them struggle in ’03 and ’04.
For those 3-4 hours, Penn State was unstoppable and I really felt like we could have beat anybody.
by Artiefufkin10 on Jul 6, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
no but
Clark was there at the end talking to MRob. Pretty neat — sometimes I forget MRob, AM, and DC17 were all on the same roster in 2005.
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That is neat. I think that’s where the magic happens for many, many players: just being on the roster and in the program with the upper-classmen. It’s such a demanding lifestyle for 18-23yos, doing all the class and football work, that the Family atmosphere we hear so many recruits and vets talk about just seems uber-important. I always loved hearing DC talk about his early years. I mean, dude was practically trying to learn how to learn his first year, and to have MRob at the top of the charts to grow around, had to have been an immeasurable benefit. It’s one of my favorite things about Penn State: hearing who learned from whom.
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I mean, dude was practically trying to learn how to learn his first year, and to have MRob at the top of the charts to grow around, had to have been an immeasurable benefit.
I always pictured 2005 QB workouts as MRob showing Clark the ropes and Jay trying to teach Morelli how to tie his shoes…
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Ha!
Great image!
Yeah, there’s thousands of reasons to love DC17, but my favorite is the effort he put into learning. He was quite an academic project coming out of high school, and schoolwork was hard as hell for him. But he committed to it, put in the countless hours of that hard work, and ended up with an awesome academic achievement.
Inspiring!
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"Swoop, loop, and pull?"
“NO, GOD DAMMIT, LOOP SWOOP PULL. Jesus, no wonder you can’t learn your progressions, you can’t even get your shoes tied after a year on campus. You’re lucky Dad’s Italian too.”
2006 preseason
Joe: “how’s the QB crop looking for next year?”
Jay: “well Clark’s coming along, his mechanics need a lot of work, but he seems to really grasp the offense.”
Joe: “And how about that other kid, the Itallian”
Jay: “ah… yeah.. Well, not too bad — he’s really got a cannon of an arm, and recently we’ve switched to velcro which has saved us a ton of time. Next week we’re hoping to get started on learning the playbook”
Joe: “velcro?”
Jay: “yeah, the whole swoop, loop, and pull wasn’t working out so we went a different direction; did I mention he has a laser, rocket arm?”
Joe: “yeah, you mentioned. So about the starting spot… We’re thinking the Itallian sex cannon then?”
Jay: “oh absolutely! You should see him fire that thing; it goes 10 yards over Williams’ head, but damn is it pretty”
/sorry for the sad comedic attempt, I’m bored today
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I had to go to a conference that weekend and had to give up my ticket for that game
I was so pissed. I had to “watch” the game by getting updates on my cell phone while sitting in a meeting in a windowless hotel ballroom.
Thank God I'm a "Too Country" Girl
I'm going to go 2005
The first year on campus for me, it was my introduction to PSU football. I’ll always love that team. Hunt, Poz, Tamba, Zemaitis, MRob, Shaw, even Lowry’s horrible, awful, gut-wrenching fair catches/fumbles.
2008 is a close second, my senior year, and the senior year for so many players who helped pull PSU up from the depths in 2005.
2001
I know it’s odd, but it’s the only time I needed football—to take my mind off the mental trauma of that fall. That October and November were pretty magical.
I hear you
Fall 2001 was kind of an awkward time to be living in a neighborhood called Pentagon City.
I just remember sitting in SEU row 80 with flurries falling and not at all being concerned when Zack Mills threw a pick-six to put Penn State down by three scores. I felt confident that they were going to come back.
Blogging about D.C. Baseball since April '04. Penn State alum. Also partial to the Washington Capitals, New York Yankees and Yale football.
by WFY on Jul 6, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
2008... reluctantly
The bowl game outcome really ruins it, but 2008 is still it. 2008’s season I loved to most: I loved Clark before the season started, I knew we’d be excellent that year, we cast off the UM curse, we beat OSU on the road for the first time in ages, we had our first decent OOC opponent, and I loved seeing the seniors who were responsible for the revitalization crush MSU during their last home game in the freezing cold. 2008 was the season for me, but that loss to USC was miserable and will always leave a bitter taste in my mouth.
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2008 suffers from high expectations
2008 was a ton of fun, for sure. But expectations were higher at the outset than they were in 2005, and they only grew as the season went on. And for as amazing as those first 9 weeks were, the Iowa game was truly heartbreaking. I have never taken a loss as hard as I took that one. Of course, the counterpoint is Michigan 2005. But, even after the OSU game in 05, there weren’t a ton of expectations for the team yet. That loss was frustrating and maddening, but not heartbreaking. It’s hard to have love a team that breaks your heart like the 2008 team did.
The Rose Bowl made things worse. At the end of the regular season, we were a great team with one tragic loss. After the Rose Bowl, we were a good team that was a cut below the nation’s best.
by newenglandnittanylion on Jul 6, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know...
the ’99 loss to Minnesota was every bit as demoralizing as the ’08 Iowa game, if not more so.
My point exactly
High expectations make for heartbreaking losses, and I don’t see anyone listing ’99 as their favorite team
by newenglandnittanylion on Jul 6, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I would wager I'm one of very few people who were at all 3 of those games
and 99 Minnesota was downright the most heartbreaking for me. I don’t know if I’d say 2005 Michigan or 2008 Iowa is more heartbreaking, but I think the 2005 Michigan game has the edge, just because of how awesome MRob’s drive was prior to that…plus it is Michigan. Blah.
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 6, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
More so for me because I was there
And we were supposed to be national champs that year. As I’ve said before, this is the one game where I sat down and cried in the stadium out of disappointment.
For the glory
by Paige2PSU on Jul 6, 2010 10:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The 2008 Team
They didn’t make my top two because I felt like they let me down. They should have gone undefeated after beating Ohio State, but they lost to Iowa. Friggin’ Iowa. That never should have happened.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Jul 6, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
For me, it wasn’t just that they lost to Iowa, it was the way they lost to Iowa. “So, we can’t even call a timeout now that they’re at our 40? Cool.”
Must forget. Must forget. Must forget.
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by ReadingRambler on Jul 6, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Completely agree
For me I feel the exact opposite of newenglandtittanylion, 2008 Iowa was maddening, frustrating, infuriating. Norwood let a first down bounce right off his chest that would have sealed it. Then Quarless does the same thing. Then Williams goes up with alligator arms and let’s the ball get intercepted. Then they’re driving, and we’re puckering the whole drive. Then somehow it’s 3rd and long and… Scirotto decides now is the time to show up and play the ball. Interference. They’re letting the WR’s have 10 yards of cushion while the run right to the sticks. We refuse to call a TO to maybe give our D-line a rest or come up with a better coverage. Nope. It was like watching a boxer get knocked out in super slow motion: you knew it was coming and they didn’t.
2005 Michigan was heartbreaking. It was unfair, tragic, and heartbreaking. It was much harder to get over.
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2005.
Was the fall of my (first) senior year. Lots of tailgating. Lots of fun. Sadly, I had 8th row seats for a Rolling Stones concert in Hershey the night of Minnesota, but I found several other Penn State fans and we got pretty raucous at a Red Robin.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Could I possibly
cheat a little bit and say the 1968 and 1969 “combined teams”, obviously because of the records and the screwing by Tricky Dick Nixon, but for the collection of absolutely awesome athletes, just a few to mention: Ted Kwalick, Dave Bradley, Bobby Campbell, Mike Reid, Steve Smear, Dennis Onkotz, Jack Ham, Franco, Charlie Pittman, John Ebersole, and I’ve run out ot room……then I would go 2005, because who’d a thunk it and 2008, same reason….Great Topic.
Backtoback Undefeateds?
This reader will allow it. That’s the way my mom (PSU ‘69) always characterized those teams too, being one of the folks Mike’s referring to here:
Not many students get to witness an undefeated season while they are in school, but I was one of the lucky few.
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Combine away...
this was the pinnacle of Penn State football thus far in my lifetime.
"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway
I was a senior for the 68 team. The 69 team may have been better!
You certainly pointed out some great players. There were some other interesting, very successful, non-NFL type footballers on those teams…Fran Ganter, Bob Holuba, Frank Spaziani, Dr. Dave Joiner, Warren (Coastal Carolina) Koegel. Bob Parson’s may have had the longest NFL careers of that group (Franco may have been slightly longer). Both Spaziani and Parsons were recruited as QB’s but ended up playing other positions.
On of the more underrated guys on those teams was a linebacker named Jim Kates. And, as I’ve stated before, one of my favorite, all-name team players…Lincoln Lippincott III (we outrecruited Yale, Harvard and Brown for him) was a starter on the ’68 team.
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
Vince Lombardi
1987
michael irvin still doesn’t know what hit him.
2005 is a close second. that season was just magic.
Eat what the monkey eats, then eat the monkey. -U.S. Navy survival guidance
Irvin, that jagov!
He still denies that WE won….all those years of drugs have fried his brain, if he had one.
All of those Miami guys
from that game still can’t fathom how we were able to beat them. Did you see that ESPN 30 for 30 documentary about “the U”? When they get to the part about that game, their attitude is basically “how did those chumps beat us?”
No, it was that famous desert humidity, made the balls slippery remember?
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
I'd say a tie between 86 and 05
05 Was my freshmen year, and all the jazz that people mentioned above.
86 because, while I was only born mid-season and was a mere 2 months old during the MNC game, I watched the VHS of that game thousands of times (literally) as a kid. Nearly every day at some points. I could recite that game chapter and verse from a very young age.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
2005 for me
That was my junior year and my fears of never seeing a great season of football while at PSU were assuaged that year. Of course, I was 2 in 1986 and was oblivious to PSU or even college football in 1994, so that limits the field a bit. The character of that team was astounding, but that PSU-OSU game just kinds of seals it for me. The excitement before that game was palpable and you could tell something special was going to happen.
2005 was magic
Every year feels good compared to 04, and 05 was immediately following.
I honestly think the 08 team was better, but the 05 team will always be in my heart.
Idle talk and hollow promises; cheating Judases; doubting Thomases
I want to fight you for saying 2008 team was better. That’s udderly and utterly ridiculous.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jul 6, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Has anyone
Done a simulation in NCAAF for playstation to see? I’m guessing you can get the ratings for the 2005 team from NCAAF 2005 game and then load the data into NCAAF 2008 and pit 2008 against 2005.
I don’t own a video game system* but this seems like one of the few things that would be really really worth the time to do. Anyone every tried this? Can you just d/l custom rosters or something?
No but really, I’m convinced the 2008 team would beat 2005 team at least 40/100 times. 2008’s weakness was a pro-set passing game which 2005 did not have, 2005’s weakness was… well probably a pro-set passing game which 2008 did have.
Do you want the mustache on, or off?
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2005 has Tony Hunt, Michael Robinson, Tamba Hali, and Paul Posluszny.
2008 does not.
Sorry.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jul 6, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
The stats and record books say
that Royster and DC17 were better, so….what are you getting at?
Idle talk and hollow promises; cheating Judases; doubting Thomases
Easy: Tony Hunt and Michael Robinson are better in a close game.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jul 6, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm on board with that
I’ll take the 2008 team in the first 3 quarters, and the 2005 team in the 4th if the game is still close
Idle talk and hollow promises; cheating Judases; doubting Thomases
You’re seriously underestimating the 2005 defense.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jul 6, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
No, I'm not
You’re seriously underestimating the 2008 defense and overestimating the 2008 defense and how much better the 2008 o line was
Idle talk and hollow promises; cheating Judases; doubting Thomases
Yeah, right. Good luck blocking Hali, Landolt. He actually has a couple of moves unlike Edge Rush Maybin.
And good luck with a stacheless Hull against Robinson and Tony. Seriously, good luck with that.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jul 6, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
While I don't totally disagree with you
Hull would have been a pretty good match for Hunt’s power, Hull was a good tackler when the runner went right at him like Hunt would have, and he rarely got run over. Not to mention Odrick and Ogbu would have made anything up the middle ineffective. And Bowman was fantastic with athletic mobile QB’s, he would have spied MRob.
Really, in 2008 we shut down just about every single running back we faced which now includes like 4 guys who will be starting in the 2-deep in the NFL this season. Greene had a good day, but that was the valley for that team, and he barely got 100 yards.
I don’t know. I think it would be closer then you’re willing to admit. Only Playstation can settle this.
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If Bowman couldn’t handle Pryor, am I to believe he could handle Michael Robinson?
I’m not saying it wouldn’t be close, I’m just saying there’s no question 2005 was better.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jul 6, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
2008 Bowman vs. 2009 Bowman
Different player IMO. I don’t know what happened to the Rose Bowl Bowman, but he was MIA in 2009.
So we agree then either way — 2005 better, but close.
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In a lot of ways
they’re the same team. I just think DC17 was a more consistent QB (Iowa games aside). People forgive this (and they should), but some games (Northwestern and Wisconsin come to mind) were far, far closer than they should’ve been because of MRob’s mistakes. DC17 would’ve had Wisconsin down 35 at the half. Though I don’t know that anyone would’ve called Wisconsin “close,” they were within 2 TD with 4 min left.
In terms of wins and losses and SOS, yes, the edge goes to the 2005 team. Before the bowl games, PSU had played the 3rd toughest schedule in the country, magnified by the fact that all of our winning hurt our SOS.
The 2008 team had a far superior offensive line and a more consistent QB. It lacked Hali and Puz, but still had an OMG awesome front 7.
Idle talk and hollow promises; cheating Judases; doubting Thomases
Really? The Northwestern game where the defense took almost the entire game to stop NW? And I recall several of Robinson’s interceptions being tipped passes. I also recall Robinson having a better running ability than Clark and I recall him improving as a passer as the year went by.
I find it insulting to compare the two defenses. It’s not even close. 2008 had one decent linebacker (Bowman), one average linebacker (Sales), and one linebacker who varied from average to awful (Hull). The 2005 linebacking corps was outstanding. If you’ll watch that video, on one of Wisconsin’s 4th down runs you’ll notice Poslusnzy showing the best closing speed I’ve ever seen from a PSU linebacker.
2008 had Odrick and Maybin, 2005 had a better all around defensive line. Where was Maybin against Iowa and USC? Hali was a far better lineman. Jay Alford was also great.
The 2005 secondary was a classic Penn State secondary. Not great, but solid. The 2008 secondary was weak and was even worse when injured.
In summary, the 2005 defense was far better, and if both teams are coached by Joe Paterno it will be a defensive game.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jul 6, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Um, and yes I know I just bashed the defense for the NW game and then praised them. Whatever. It’s Bradley’s fault or something. Maybe Sandusky coached that game.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jul 6, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I blame Tom Bradley
for more losses than Anthony Morelli. More wins, too, but more losses
Idle talk and hollow promises; cheating Judases; doubting Thomases
Perhaps because Tom Bradley has coached for ten seasons, whereas Morelli only played for two.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jul 6, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Not that I’m disagreeing. Morelli really only blew the Michigan game, and even that is debateable.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jul 6, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I blame special teams and the defense. Do you remember that one touchdown where Benn went all Major Harris and broke around seventy tackles?
Not a good day.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jul 6, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Comparison
Definitely Morelli’s fault: Illinois 07
Possibly Morelli’s fault: Michigan 07, MSU 07, Wisconsin 06
Definitely Bradley’s fault: Notre Dame 06 (though Morelli wasn’t exactly great and several bad calls screwed us), Ohio State 06 (though Richie False Start deserves as much blame), Ohio State 07
Possibly Bradley’s fault: MSU 07
Michigan 06 was a superior team, and we had the ball, down one score, with 2 min left. Morelli was injured early, and it’s hard to blame the coaches for that kind of game.
Idle talk and hollow promises; cheating Judases; doubting Thomases
MSU under possibly? Morelli didn’t give up a gigantic lead.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jul 6, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
He didn't play well for the last quarter and a half of that game
although this is far, far more of a playcalling issue than a Morelli issue, the fact remains.
When the BBDS defense does suck, and yet Bradley or Paterno or whoever is still determined not to blitz, I start tearing up, because the day is coming when Bradley will be the head coach, and he’s clearly not capable of making proper adjustments. I blame Bradley; it might be more Paterno.
Idle talk and hollow promises; cheating Judases; doubting Thomases
Nine times out of ten (if not more), our defense works. Most of our losses in the past decade were a result of the offense choking on apple sauce. And honestly, blitzing requires man coverage, right? I really don’t think our defensive backs would have done better in man coverage.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jul 6, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
If you score 30 points you should win.
You can debate that all you want, but Joe Paterno and Tom Bradley agree with me.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
This post is taking too long to write.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jul 6, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Games in which Penn State scored at least 30 points, Big Ten era (close games (games decided by one score) denoted by bold):
1993:
Wins: Minnesota, Iowa, Rutgers, Maryland (70-7!) Indiana, Northwestern, Michigan State, Auburn.
Losses: None.
1994:
Wins: Penn State scored 30 points or more in every game. Only “close” games were against Michigan, Illinois, and Indiana.
Losses: None.
1995:
Wins: Temple, Rutgers (Poor Rutgers…), Iowa, Indiana, Auburn.
Losses: None.
1996:
Wins: Northern Illinois, Temple (Poor Temple…), Purdue, Indiana (Poor Indiana…), Northwestern, Michigan State, Texas
Losses: None.
1997:
Wins: Pitt, Temple, Louisville, Illinois, Ohio State, Northwestern, Purdue, Wisconsin.
Losses: None.
1998:
Wins: Southern Miss, Bowling Green, Purdue, Northwestern, Michigan State.
Losses: None.
1999:
Wins: Arizona, Akron (70 points, Poor Akron…), Indiana, Iowa, Purdue.
Losses: None.
2000:
Wins: LaTech, Illinois, Michigan State.
Losses: None.
2001:
Wins: Northwestern, Southern Miss, Michigan State.
Losses: None.
2002:
Wins: Nebraska, LaTech, Wisconsin, NW, Virginia, IU, MSU.
Loss: Iowa
2003:
Wins: Kent State, Indiana.
Losses: None. Not that that’s saying much. Ugh.
2004:
Wins: Akron, UCF, MSU.
Losses: None.
2005:
Wins: Cinci, Central Michigan, NW, Minny, Illinois, Purdue, Wisco, MSU.
Losses: None.
2006:
Wins: Akron, YSU, NW, Temple.
Losses: None.
2007:
Wins: FIU, Notre flipping Dame, Buffalo, Wisco, IU (Blame Justin Hardy or whatever his name is), Temple.
Loss: MSU.
2008:
Wins: Chaucer Coastal University or whatever, Oregon State, Cuse, Temple, Illinois, Wisco, Michigan, IU, MSU.
Losses: None.
2009:
Wins: Akron, Temple, Illinois, HATE Eastern Illinois, Michigan, NW, IU, MSU.
Losses: None.
Two losses! Two!
Conclusion: If we could only start Jeff Hartings and Shipley every year.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jul 6, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I almost want to make this my sig: Since joining the Big Ten, Penn State has a record of 103-2 in games where they score 30 points or more.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jul 6, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Nebraska had 3 such losses in 2007 alone.
USC 49, Nebraska 31
Kansas 76, Nebraska 39
Colorado 65, Nebraska 51
65-51? What the?
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jul 6, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
That score sounds like your usual Wisconsin-Penn State basketball game.
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by ReadingRambler on Jul 6, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
And the Iowa loss was an overtime loss, FWIW.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
We are awesome. I want to make out with us.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jul 6, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Michigan State 2007 was the most "stolen" game ever.
I thought that game was d o n e, completely over after the Kelly fake field goal. That Basketcase U could show up out of nowhere midway through the 3rd quarter and leave PSU’s defensive backs so burnt that they left singe marks on the field… I was stunned.
Iowa 2002 was the most stolen game ever. How do you lose after a comeback like that? That’s not fair.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jul 6, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
you have the refs we had
and no instant replay
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 6, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
In retrospect
The fake field goal was definitive proof that defense didn’t have anything left in the tank.
From the game day open thread…
Five Star Boy goes 16-35 45.7% completion percentage for 1TD against the 77th ranked pass defense in the country and we are going to blame the defense. Please.
Please…cover somebody?
Please… tackle the third sting linebacker running back the pooch kick?
Please…put some pressure on the quarterback?
If I told you this morning that Penn State would have no turnovers, run for 200 yards and score 31 points, would you have guessed [a] Penn State won or [b] Penn State lost?
The Defense had no depth, and was sodomized by Spartans the whole second half because three guys were disrespected while “party walking”.
Whatever the fuck that is.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
Oh, the heady days of 2007.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jul 6, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
If you paid no attention to the W-L record
the 2007 season was pretty much a disaster. The offensive line and WR’s were very, very good, but they were hampered by a lack of talent at QB/RB. Royster wasn’t quite there yet and we all know the deal with QB14.
Losses to Illinois, one of the worst Lloyd Carr-coached Michigan teams, smoked by OSU and raped by MSU to prevent a 10 win season. Even the bowl win was just extremely ugly.
by Artiefufkin10 on Jul 6, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
also...
the defense was one of the least spectacular of the last 4-5 years.
All that coupled with high fan expectations made for a long season.
by Artiefufkin10 on Jul 6, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, my mistake.
They were ranked 6th by the by.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jul 7, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
With the MSU game and that game,
I KNEW we were going to be awesome in 1994! My boss at the time was a Tennessee grad, so that was a sweet win for me!!
For the glory
Nah, I'm talking specifically about 06 and 07
Idle talk and hollow promises; cheating Judases; doubting Thomases
Oh, and just speaking about Bowman, I think I’m going to write a post about this year’s defense based off of his capability. I don’t like bashing our players, but I’m not heartbroken at losing him.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jul 6, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
To think....
the 2010 defense could still have Maybin and Bowman had they decided to stay on.
Damn you NFL draft and your millions of dollars available to great players.
by Artiefufkin10 on Jul 6, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
My perspective...
2005 team lost one game due to defense
-BBDS defense allowed that heart-wrenching TD (despite the officiating controversy blah blah, it still happened and defense could have stopped that).
2008 team lost two games
-Iowa due to lack of offensive execution in the red zone and turnovers
-USC due to a total defensive breakdown.
Based on this, I would say the 2005 team was better. While not loaded on offense like 2008, they were better in the clutch and made fewer mistakes. The 2005 defense was rock solid for all but one play of one controversial game. The 2008 defense was often able to play with a lead.
by Artiefufkin10 on Jul 6, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Remember: our special, oh so special teams put Michigan close to the endzone in that game.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jul 6, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree...
the 2005 Defense/ST unit was not perfect. But I firmly believe that the 2005 offense was the most clutch since 1994 (going by what I’ve seen in highlights/read from others).
I firmly believe that, if needed, the 2005 team could have scored on anyone. They were that clutch with MRob at the helm.
by Artiefufkin10 on Jul 6, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
2008 USC was MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH better than 2005 FSU
FSU definitely had some talent, but were undermotivated or undercoached, or something. 2008 PSU wouldn’t have needed triple overtime to beat 2005 FSU, and 2005 PSU probably would have lost by even more to 2008 USC.
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 6, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
No way...
Maybe they don’t win, but 2005’s LB’s and DB’s >>>>>>> 2008.
I think the 2005 team would have beat 2008 USC in a grindout OSU 2005 style game.
by Artiefufkin10 on Jul 6, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
2005
Had a way of playing to the level of the opponent. They were showmen, dammit!
by ChrisHarrell's_stache05 on Jul 6, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
that they did
but that 2008 team, with all the pieces in place (ie Clark not concussed at Iowa, and Royster healthy for Rose Bowl) was just so dominant. I felt that the 2008 team could beat any team that year, whereas I felt the 2005 team wasn’t as good as Texas or the team that cheated and still couldn’t win the MNC USC.
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 6, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I have to go with 2005 as well.
That was my first season after graduating from Penn State. So yeah, the years I was on campus were pretty rough. I was still a die-hard fan, attending just about every game as a student. I was there for 6-4 (ugh). I was there for the home loss to Northwestern. I was there for the missed last-second FG against Ohio state. But, my last home game as a student was the 2004 win against Michigan State—a game which filled me with as much hope and joy as I can remember. Going home for Christmas, I remember my Uncle (a big college football fan, with a paid subscription to rivals.com) giving me the news that Derrick Williams had picked Penn State.
I was a first-year law student in Philly when the season finally started. Like every 1L out there, I studied my ass off 6 days a week. But Saturday was football day. I’d roll out of bed at 9:30 or so, throw on my game day gear, run out to grab some breakfast, and be on the couch in time for College Gameday. There I would stay until after midnight some days. Friends would stop over with food and beer, so I never even had to pick up the phone to order takeout. Good times.
I only have vague memories of those early non-conference games. I just remember being in awe of how strong the team looked. Robinson could throw! Williams and this new guy Butler could catch! King could burn defenses even if they knew the reverse was coming! “It was like watching us play against a high school team,” I remember one friend saying after attending the Central Michigan game. After watching five years of struggles, these were new, foreign feelings.
With the conference season starting, Penn State football now occupied my mind whenever it wasn’t occupied with law. I read the Collegian’s coverage of the team every day. I waited anxiously for Joe’s press conferences to come out every Tuesday. I gobbled up every article on ESPN.com. There were no Penn State blogs—and really, no worthwhile college football blogs—out there yet, and that’s a good thing; I might not be a lawyer today if I’d had even MORE PSU coverage to read.
The Northwestern game nearly gave me a heart attack, but that Derrick Williams catch will remained seared in my brain forever. But things really got rolling for me after the Minnesota game. We’d just CRUSHED a ranked Minnesota team. Kids were camping outside the stadium. ESPN was on campus! At this point, I couldn’t take it any more. Screw the books for one weekend. I was going to the Ohio State game.
Tickets were hard to come by (obviously). I had a few friends on campus for the game, but we didn’t even bother trying to sit together. I paid over $100 for a ticket in the Freshman/Sophomore section. Despite arriving over an hour before kickoff, I still ended up towards the back of the section. Rather than disappointed, I was impressed at the dedication. This crowd had an energy I’d only experienced twice before—the 324 game in 2001, and the Nebraska game in 2002. The energy here surpassed even that. Everyone around me was going crazy, but no one was going crazier than I.
To describe the euphoria surrounding that game would be pointless—you’re all Penn State fans, you were all watching the game, you know how it felt. But yeah, it was good.
I was disappointed after the Michigan game, but not heartbroken like I was after Iowa 2008. I was still used to losing back then, I guess. But, even more than that, I remember bouncing back against Illinois. That’s the sort of game that never would have happened while I was a student. I just remember thinking “No one will F**k with us for the rest of the season.”
I made it back to the student section for senior day. Got a spot right next to the tunnel. Cheered my heart out for the seniors who I’d spent most of my college career watching. Enjoyed the dominance over a very respectable Wisconsin. Went back to Philly with a smile on my face.
It’s a good thing the season ended when it did, because I needed to STUDY.
With the semester finally over, I could thankfully watch the Orange Bowl in peace. I had converted everyone I knew into a Penn State fan over the course of the semester, so I had a big crowd at my place for the game—and of course, everyone stayed until the very late end.
Given all the anguish I had suffered as a student-fan from 2000-2004, and all the stress I was under as a first year law student, the experience of watching that 2005 team was one I don’t think will ever be matched. So yeah, they’re my all-time favorite team.
by newenglandnittanylion on Jul 6, 2010 9:47 AM EDT reply actions
2005
I will never forget the TD pass to D-Will and the ensuing manpile in the dorm hallway. And I ended up in the poster for the next year. It’s kinda sad that it was only my soph year though.
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by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Jul 6, 2010 10:12 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
2005
Everyone has already pretty much said all there is to say about that team. The Northwestern game. Minnesota (are we actually good?). And then Ohio State, which will always remain the best game I’ve ever attended. I could watch Penn State win an epic 7OT game for the MNC and it wouldn’t come close. But one thing that I haven’t seen mentioned yet was the atmosphere around campus during the 2005 season. That was my junior year, so I’d been around for the epically bad 2003 and 2004 seasons, and the change in attitude around the campus was palpable. There was just an energy to the campus that started around the Northwestern game and didn’t really go away. That, to me, was the best part of the entire season.
Good point. There was a palpable buzz on campus that year. It was amazing.
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by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Jul 6, 2010 10:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
There seem to be a ton of us 2007 grads here. I don’t want to belittle anyone else’s feelings or love of the game, but do you think we as a class have a special appreciation for 2005?
by ChrisHarrell's_stache05 on Jul 6, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
The Northwestern Game
I didn’t know how much anger I was capable of until watching that game (well ok not until I had the priviledge the following 2 seasons of watching Galen Hall call plays for a non-mobile quarterback that couldn’t make something out of nothing). The conversion on 4th and 15 to smolko and the subsequent heroics from D-will defined the season, but damnit all if we didn’t try our hardest to lose that game.
That being said I agree with 2005. I was a sophmore, but I remember the absolute blind faith that I had going into that season (although to be fair I believe we will win a NC at the beginning of every year). I watched my friends become converts. One of my favorite moments was walking out of the Minnesota game (which was right up there in my mind with Ohio State- we held heisman hopeful Maroney to just 44 yards). As I walked out of the stadium and towards beaver canyon, I saw a group of guys- tent in hand, going to camp out for the Ohio State game a week away. Paternoville was born approximately 15 minutes after the end of the Minnesota stomping, and continued to grow until Woody Paige interviewed some guy and some half-naked chick in their tent the morning of Cold Pizza.
As an aside, Woody Paige was a champ. He was chugging Natty Lights and drinking warm Vladimir during commercial breaks.
by psuphysicist on Jul 8, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, I wish this was a fanpost just for the Woody Paige thing.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jul 9, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Any room on the bandwagon?
I have to go with 2005. In fact, it’s a little bittersweet because I already know I will never care as much about another team as much as I cared about that team.
I grew up a Penn State fan, living in the friendly confines of South Jersey. Then we moved to Upstate New York when I was 12 and into Syracuse country (which only exists when the team is doing better than (a) Notre Dame, or (b) Penn State). Needless to say, the dark years particularly stung. Being a Penn State fan was something that defined me in hostile territory, and the times were not kind.
I was a freshman in 2003 and by the 2004 season it was getting ridiculous. My godfather (an alumnus who, while joining me and my father for an official campus tour during my college search, said I could come here, to the center of the universe [State College] or I could go, “somewhere else”) told me that the one thing different about 2002 and 2003-2004 was that I was now attending PSU. He was joking, of course, but it made me question a lot. My source of identity had been a loser for years and it made each fall a little worse. I’ll never forget sitting in a dorm room after any number of games during the 2004 season and listening to the depressing music from “Friday Night Lights.”
Then 2005 came. We got Williams. I predicted to my friend that we would go undefeated in 2005, easily. “Who do you see beating us?” The confidence was already starting to build. Needless to say the Fall 2005 semester was one of my best. Weeks moved by at a rapid pace, and no one could wait until Friday night to preemptively celebrate the next win. The season was like a movie script. I traveled to East Lansing and then to Miami. It was magic. We knew we were winners again.
By the time 2006 came around, my senior year, I was already feeling sorry for the new team. It could never equal the previous year. If you watch the stadium video “Together” from that year, you can see how in love we all were with 2005. That next season almost didn’t matter, as long as we could cheer for the 2005 highlights on the video board and relive those memories.
The Penn State Football Story season-ending video highlights “Hamlet” piece summed up my feelings on 2005 perfectly. “The faithful remained, and their bond became permanent.”
by ChrisHarrell's_stache05 on Jul 6, 2010 10:44 AM EDT reply actions
I guess I agree with Mike...
I probably enjoyed 2005 slightly more than 2008 and perhaps it would be different had 2008 ended on a higher note.
But also, the 2005 season had sort of melancholy feeling for me because it was the first season after I graduated. Admittedly, I had not been a great fan in 2003 (skipped most of the games to focus on my core EE courses) and had practically given up on the team after the 2004 debacle.
That said, I vowed to watch every game in ‘05 start to finish although there was no promise that we’d be better. My dad thought I was crazy to think we’d be good (a non-alum who I brought to the 6-4 game…ugh) after we squeaked by NW. Weeks later, we watched the 2005 OSU game together and afterwords he said to me “Penn State can play with anybody”.
2005 solidified me as a diehard fan. I did not grow up in a tradition-rich, PSU household and I had not witnessed much success from ‘01-’04. However, seeing a great team and an embattled coach rise from the ashes to finish top 3 in the country was like reading the ending out of a Hollywood script. For me though, it was just the beginning.
I have a little diffent year.
I loved 05 and the two championship seasons but I loved the 1978 season. The loss to Alabama in the Sugar bowl was disappointing but the season was great. Watched all the home games from the row right above the tunnel and loved every second. I Mike Guman, Lance Mehl, Rich Milot, Chuck Fusina, Millen, Clark, Kuben, Tom Bradley was on that team. Fun regular season with an outstanding defense. The loss to Alabama was hearwrenching but still a fun year.
Okay, I'm going to go completely
off the beaten path here with this one. 1982, ‘86, ’94, 2005, and maybe ’08 are all obvious choices. One of my favorites over the years was the 1990 team, even though they had 3 losses and didn’t win a championship or even their bowl game. I think part of my affection for this team stems from 1990 being the first season in which I was able to attend games at Beaver Stadium (Temple, Pitt). I think it’s also partly because this was my senior year of HS, and PSU’s season kind of paralleled my HS team’s season, in the way it started slow, got hot in the middle and ended with a close playoff (bowl) loss.
They were really a team of missed opportunity. Two close losses to start the year (19-14 at USC, a game in which Keith Gouganis dropped a sure-fire pick six late in the game, and a close home loss to Texas, who ended up going 10-2), followed by 9 straight wins, including an upset of #1 ranked ND in South Bend, and a 9-0 shutout win at Alabama. They then lost by a TD to 9-2 Florida State in the inaugural Blockbuster Bowl, a game in which both teams had exactly the same amount of total offense (I think it was 417 yards for each team). I always thought the ’90 team could have played with anyone in the country that year, and had they pulled out wins in those 2 early season games, they probably would have played Colorado (the co-national champ, along w/Ga. Tech) in the Orange Bowl for the MNC.
For what it’s worth, my all time favorite PSU team is 1994, and you obviously can’t put 1990 in the same league as ‘94 or any of the others we’ve been talking about here. But I’ll always remember it fondly for what might have been.
I think the 1991 team is the one that was truly the heart breaker.
The loss at USC was simply inexplicable. I thought we got kinda jobbed in the Miami game.
But at the end of the season, that was the best team in the country, IMO.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
Matt Rodgers was a better quarterback and 1991 Iowa was superior.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jul 6, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Two things
I remember about the ’91 Miami game:
1. Kevin Williams running through our punt coverage for a TD (yet another ST fail)
2. Tony Sacca’s behind the back flip/screen pass to Troy Drayton for a long gain
Gotta be 86
Watchin the Fiesta Bowl with my Dad. I’ve never seen on the edge of his seat like that. His head dropping into his hands when Blades went for big yardage on 4th and 6. Yelling “NO SHIT!!” when the announcer says that there’s no two minute warning in college football. Sitting with clenched fists as Testeverde kept driving down the field, and yelling at the TV as the announcers kept singing his praises. Yelling “Give another one of those!!” When Johnson sacks Vinnie. Then Watching him go nuts when Giftopoulos made the pick. He just kept yelling “YOU YOU YOU!!!” when they showed the Miami players. Greatest football memory ever.
Upon moving to AL, I let my wife decide who she would root for. After one day at a new job full of Bama fans, she met me at the door with a hearty cry of "WAR EAGLE"
by SandMountainTiger on Jul 6, 2010 1:22 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
So rec’d.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jul 6, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
rec'd...
but because you also have Gunther profile pic….. “so this is what its like, when doves cry”
by Artiefufkin10 on Jul 6, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
As much as i loved the 82 team
nothing beat that win against THE U in 86.
Black shoes, basic blues, no names, all game.
I was arguing (predictably) with a Michigan fan once.
I told him point blank, I wouldn’t trade January 2, 1987 straight up for Michigan’s entire football tradition.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
by jesse. on Jul 6, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Greatest victory by any team in any sport at any time in history ever. By far. Bar none.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
by far?
‘81 PSU – Pitt is a game from which Pitt Football still hasn’t recovered. Giving your arch rival a loss that psychologically devastates them for three decades? That’s special.
Idle talk and hollow promises; cheating Judases; doubting Thomases
Pitt was just Pitt, ok?
The 1987 Fiesta Bowl was the most important game Penn State ever played and perhaps the biggest game in the last 25 years of college football. It can’t be topped.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jul 6, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
My recollection is that Pitt started 1982 ranked #1
And had a pretty decent season. I think they lost (like 6-3) to SMU in the Cotton Bowl that year.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
I'm not going to do it
but I’d like to see some sort of comparison of Pitt’s record against teams with some arbitrary measure of decency (10 wins, winning teams, top 25, whatever) before and after that game.
Idle talk and hollow promises; cheating Judases; doubting Thomases
1982 was their last team
that ever had “National Champion Contender” attached to it at any point in the season. It merrits repeating that that when we talk about the 95 year tradition (or whatever it is) of the Pitt rivalry, they only time both schools were truly nationally competitive, at the same time, while wearing facemasks of their helmets, was from 1976-1982.
Seven years, that’s a pretty finite period.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
Concur and rec’d.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jul 6, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
2008 is my favorite
Though admittedly, I’ve only been seriously following the team since I applied to the school in 2005 (I don’t think I even watched a full game that year), so I don’t have a lot to choose from.
Poor sPitt....
If for no o ther reason than I like to say it and I pity da Fools.
gimme 2005, leadership really shown threw that year from seniors that cared about football. That team really showed what Joe can do in 4 years of full football.
2008 close second only because the friggin’ Iowa game. We coulda shocked the world in the MNC game. But poor coaching by us screwed us.
"Want a donut go to dunkin donuts, want a linebacker go to Penn State." - Chris Carter
I must be one of the oldest people here...
I can’t believe how many people are choosing 2005 and 2008 as their favorites. I must be one of the only ones on this forum who is old enough to remember when a double-digit season was merely adequate. 2005 was a great year, I’ll give you that because it brought us out of the garbage years…MRob and Poz became legendary fixtures in PSU lore for all time. But 2008? C’mon. 2008 was a decent year, but it was along the lines of so many other double-digit win seasons. I’ll take it over the dark years, but I personally preferred 2009…at least we won a decent bowl and were able to stuff a sock in the SEC’s ever-running mouth for 5 minutes. Personally, I don’t even see how 2008 can compare to ’78, ’81, ’85, etc.
‘94 was the most exciting as a fan…It was almost like we were so much better than everyone else, that every game was just a party. Honestly, did anyone ever doubt that we would win any of those games that year? I don’t think I ever had one moment of anxiety that year (except for when the pollsters/coaches took one poll from us after a complete beat-down of OSU). The talent on that offense was more talent than some programs see in the history of their school. We had back-ups getting drafted and starting in the NFL the next year!
Although ‘94 was the most fun from a fan’s perspective, ‘86 was my favorite and I think the ’86 PSU team is one of the most important for the history of the program and for college football. There have been PSU teams with better talent than the ’86 team, but never a team that played better as a unit…every player on that team was simply a gamer…no prima donna’s…no stupid JayPa stat padders…in the end, only one stat counts and that is W’s and L’s. A lot of the younger generation thinks DC17 was the best QB to come through PSU, mostly because of his gaudy stats. To those people, I say, think about this stat: DC17 had 4 or 5 losses in 2 years as a starter — John Shaffer had 1…and that loss was a close loss in the ‘85 MNC game. I’ll take an overachieving gamer before a talented prima donna who pre-plans his touchdown arm-flexing celebrations any day of the week.
Sorry if this sounds like I’m really bashing DC17 and 2008. I really do respect that kid and he was a hard worker, but he gets waayyyyy too much credit for leading 2-loss teams and coming up short in several big games.
by rodney20 on Jul 6, 2010 4:55 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed re: 2008
2-loss seasons aren’t anything special, especially when one of them is a bad loss like the Rose Bowl.
Then again, this is about “favorite” teams, not “great” teams, and the first 9 weeks of that season were a whole lot of fun. Part of that fun was the fact that the online fan community had really grown into full form by the 2008 season, making those first 9 weeks even easier to enjoy. So, I can see how people could count 2008 as their favorite season, although I don’t agree with it.
I am too young to really appreciate ’86, ’94, etc., though I imagine those seasons were pretty amazing. Watching old footage of the ’87 Fiesta bowl still gets me going, even though I know the outcome.
by newenglandnittanylion on Jul 6, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Point taken
I suppose part of the reason why a season is likely someone’s “favorite” season could be due to the other events going on at that point in someone’s life too. If you are in college and living, eating, and breathing your school, then chances are really good one of those seasons could be your favorite.
‘86 was surreal. I wasn’t all that old, but I remember just about everything from that year. I still remember the Liberty Mutual tv commercials from the ‘87 Fiesta Bowl…and how I can’t stomach the sight of Bob Greise to this day because of his hard-core biased analysis against PSU during the game…and how Bob Costas somehow still looks the exact same today. The anticipation of that game was better than the anticipation of Christmas morning when I was a kid. I remember Brian Bozworth predicting that Miami would pass for over 300-400 yards against PSU…Turns out the Boz’s judgment was as poor as his NFL career.
Griese was bad in that game,
but Jimmy Cefalo was even worse. I suppose he was overcompensating since he was a former Penn State player, but still. I remember one play where either Ray Isom or Duffy Cobbs destroyed a Miami receiver who was running an out pattern just as the ball arrived and caused an incompletion. Cefalo went on and on about how strong Testeverde’s arm was to able to get the ball there on a rope, and made no mention of the great hit that jarred the ball loose. This was typical of his entire broadcast that night.
I choose not to choose
You’ve all laid out great choices and I can’t see picking just one. I was in Happy Valley for the 81 thru 84 seasons and those first two years were unbelievable. We thought 83 and 84 were the dark years at the time, losing to Cinci and going 8-4-1 in 83 then 6-5 in 84 but we still lived for those games. I’ve enjoyed the ups like ‘86 and ’94, the tough losses like ’99, and my wife learned to tolerate the yelling and screaming during the 2000-2004 years. I have a couple of kids now and I spend most fall Saturday afternoons avoiding any news on the games until I can get home to my DVR but each year there’s always something good so I’m not picking a favorite.
I’m going to keep enjoying the ride.
I have to go with the predictable 1994 here.
It was my junior year. We were unbeatable. Even though I didn’t get to watch all of the games, it was a magical year. The spirit around campus, the joy of winning was just tremendous. For me, 2005 is a close second, but just had too much nail biting. That Orange Bowl liked to have killed me!
For the glory
I think the Orange Bowl WAS trying to kill me
of course that could have just been the mono I apparently had.
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 7, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I've decided to try and change Mike's mind.
Many people have commented on the 1986 team, and how it would be their favorite, but they weren’t old enough and didn’t feel it was their’s. I will write in response to that.
I pick 1986 because I was 12, not in spite of it. For a long time I’ve let the argument that I hadn’t earned it, or didn’t appreciate it steal some of that team from me. But I’ve decided that’s bullshit.
I was 12. Those weren’t college kids playing a game, they were gods. Larger than life. You’ll never feel that way about a college football team when your 30. Eventually, you have to stop looking up to them. But not when your 12, they can be your heros and going to Penn State can be a dream.
Sure, I was young, but nobody who supervised me though the 1986 season would claim I wasn’t invested. I was at 5 of 6 home games that year. I was punished for the Pitt game because I was so poorly behaved on the last drive of the Maryland game two weeks prior (the one with the two point conversion at the end).
I was at the first scheduled 8:00 start, Temple, there were fireworks that night. I saw the blocked punt against Cincinnati from the end zone it happend in. My grandmother took me to the World Trade Center and Statue of Liberty while my parents went to the Alabama game in Tuscaloosa. I won’t bother to repeat the story about meeting John Shaffer at the Tavern a few days before the team left. I had an autograph of every single player who scored or got an interception that day, save Giftopolus (who I got a week or two later), prior to kickoff on 1/2/87.
I was a kid, it mattered. Nobody could have appreciated it more. Well, maybe nobody should appreciate it more. I’ve seen two Steeler Super Bowls, fully of “appreciating it” age, and they left me cold. It was somebody else’s accomplishment.
Good versus bad wasn’t a tag line to me at the time, that’s what was happening. The world seems smaller when you’re a kid, but when the biggest game in the world intersects your little corner of the world it gets your attention. It was too much tension, I tried to stop watching in the third quarter, I literally couldn’t take it.
But I came back, and saw Conlin’s interception and DJ’s touchdown (I made sure my boy’s initals were DJ), and was hysterical. The last drive was a blur. An emotional rollercoaster that scared me for life. I thought they flagged Giftopolous for Pass Interference on the last play and started to cry (or bawl hysterically depending on who you ask).
Somebody older might have apprecitated it more. But there is no way in hell they would have loved it more.
So I roll with 1986.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
by jesse. on Jul 7, 2010 9:29 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
I understand your argument, and salute it,
but seeing how the national championship game was the first Penn State game that I ever watched (because of DJ Dozier since I lived in VA Beach at time), I can’t own that team. I was casual fan at the time. But I will rec your post, because I know the feeling. I will still say that Bo Jackson is the MOST impressive sports personality I have ever met, and it’s in main part because I was an Auburn fan when he was playing. I wish I could say that I’ve met DJ Dozier.
For the glory
Paige,
I’m honestly not sure what this means, but I just looked at it again. My John Shaffer autograph is 23 years and 6 months old. It’s on a Tavern napkin. And you can still see the ring from his drink, as clear as if it happened yesterday.
If somebody has a better peice of Penn State ephemera, I’d love to see it. I just wish he’d dated it, because it was totally like December 12th 1986.
Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.
I think my point was that it's so cool that you got to meet that team and get autographs,
But it was $2 domestic pint night at Buffalo Wild Wings and I may have had one too many. I don’t have any good Penn State memorabilia. My Bo Jackson autograph is on a softball glove with a whole lot of the 1987 KC Royals, but Bo’s autograph got rained on a little.
For the glory
My Favorite PSU team?
Of course, the ’82 & ’86 National championship teams are big in my heart. Watching Pete Giftopoulos intercept that last Testaverde pass and KNOWING we had beaten those smug, Miami blow-hards was too delicious for words. I think the Nittany Lion came up off his pedestal at the shrine and roared on his hind legs at that one.
The Greg Garrity 41 yd. TD reception in the "82 Sugar Bowl is another moment etched in stone in my happy memories. The 2005 team was a major moment of redemption for JoePa and PSU, although the Michigan game broke my heart. But beating Florida State in the Orange Bowl made up for it.
JoePa lived down the street from our house in Park Forest Village in 1966, and my Dad worked at PSU in the Dept. of General Services. So we were a blue and white family in the blood. My Dad took me and my two brothers to see the ’64 Navy game when Roger Staubach took us apart. We sat right in front of the Midshipman in the east stands at Beaver Stadium, and my Dad told us later the Midshipmen wanted to kill all of us we cheered so loud for “Dear, Old State.”
In 1990, I went to see PSU play Texas in Austin and was seated in the amazingly high “nose-bleed” section behind the corner of the south end-zone at Darryl K. Royal Memorial Stadium. Andrea Collins block a Bobby Lilljedahl punt into the Texas end zone and one of our guys fell on it, giving PSU a 16-12 victory. I was amazed as I stood yelling my head-off for the score, and then looking in amazement at the THOUSANDS of people dressed in blue and white in a stadium far away from Happy Valley. And then going under the stadium afterward to cheer our boys as they came out of the locker room after the game. An amazingly good moment.
I especially enjoyed being at the Alamo Bowl in 2007 when Evan Royster burst through the Texas A&M defense in the 3rd qtr. and scored the go-ahead 38 yd. TD that gave us the victory. Once again, on 4th and goal to go, the PSU defense stopped the Aggies cold and prevented them from getting the win. When PSU was losing 14-0 in the 1st qtr., I was sitting behind the Penn State bench and could hear JoePa chewing out Mike McQueery on the sidelines. Then Mc Queery came running to the back row of benches near where we were sitting and gave the offense a good ass-chewing. We totally dominated the 2nd qtr. and led at halftime, 17-14.
My proudest moments where when PSU stopped Heisman trophy winners like Vinny Testaverde, or Herschel Walker, or Marcus Allen, and made them ineffective. Perhaps my best memory was my whole family watching PSU’s first Orange Bowl in ’68 against Kansas in the basement rec-room in our house in Park Forest Village. PSU drove down the field and scored to make the score 14-13 with just seconds left in the game. We could kick the extra point and tie or go for two for the win. We tried the 2 point conversion and failed.
My whole family sat in stunned silence as the Kansas fans rushed out onto the field. But all of a sudden, a ref came out of the back of the end-zone holding up a penalty flag. Kansas had 12 men on the field, and PSU got a second chance for the win. When the Penn State player blasted into the end-zone, all 7 of us launched ourselves off the couch and hit the ceiling! We were all screaming as we watched Penn State win their first Orange Bowl and begin JoePa’s winningest bowl game legacy. And we could hear our neighbors all yelling, too. We got in the family station wagon and drove down to College Ave., where a spontaneous celebration was going on. Since it was holiday break, there weren’t many students in town. But the jubilation was as if we’d just won our first national championship. I found out years later that for the last 3 or 4 plays in that winning scoring drive, Kansas had 12 men on the field! And PSU STILL drove the field and won. Fight On, State, indeed!
Of course, the 1994 team that dominated Oregon in our 1st Rose Bowl since 1923 made me very proud. I’ll never forget Ki-Jana Carter blasting through Oregon’s defense on Penn State’s 1st offensive play of the game and going 69 yards for the TD. Speaking of the 1923 Rose Bowl, I’m also very proud that Penn State played against USC in the inaugural game of the brand new Rose Bowl stadium.
I also remember the celebration after PSU beat UCLA at the LA Coliseum in ’68. I think that game propelled the team toward the first of the 2 back-to-back undefeated seasons in ’68 and ’69 and back-to-back Orange Bowl wins. Just two years after becoming head coach in ’66, JoePa and PSU had muscled their way into the national championship picture.

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