Quarterbacking Case...Kevin Newsome
by QBsneak12 on Aug 16, 2010 9:50 AM EDT
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PrintPart one of a three part series reviewing the four potential candidates for the quarterback position.
Making the Case For….
Kevin Newsome
#12
Sophomore
6’2" 220lbs
Since Joe Paterno has been running the show, selecting the starting QB has typically been the same…longest tenured QB gets the reins. Just look at recent QB battles:
- Daryll Clark (Redshirt Junior) won the job against Pat Devlin (Redshirt Sophomore) in 2008.
- Anthony Morelli (Junior) "won" (and I use that term VERY loosely) against Daryll Clark (Redshirt Freshman) in 2006.
- Michael Robinson (Redshirt Senior) got the nod over then uber recruit Morelli (True Freshman) in 2005.
- Zack Mills, during the Dark Years of 2001-2004, at one point was stuck behind teenage hearthrob Matt Seneca (that was 2001 before Seneca quit the team the following year to focus on academics).
Experience
In 2010, 11 pass attempts and 121 rushing yards (5th most on the team last year) is all the experience we are going to get. What he lacks in game experience, Newsome more than makes up for it with physical tools. Last season we got to see glimpses of what Newsome brings to the table: game changing athletic skills and speed. We haven’t had a QB with the size/speed combo since Michael Robinson (side note: media and fans were always labeling Daryll Clark a dual threat QB. While DC had SOME speed, he was more of a pocket passer - think a more muscular Paul Jones. Michael Robinson was the last true DUAL THREAT.) Kevin Newsome will be more MikeRob and less DC. If I told you Newsome would complete 53% of his passes have 17 TDs to 10 INTS, rush for 800 yards and have 11 more TDs (MikeRob’s numbers from 2005), would you take it?
If Newsome wins the job
Expect the run/pass ratio to tilt to the left. The good thing about 2010 is that Penn State has a stable of outstanding RBs led by 1st team All Big Ten rusher, Evan Royster. Newsome can learn how to play QB, develop as a passer, and use his unique set of skills to move the chains. If Newsome plays like John Shaffer, "manages the game", and doesn’t turn the ball over, he will be just fine (and the National Championship would be nice).
With Newsome at QB, we could easily have two 1,000 yard rushers. The Spread HD will become the Spread HD-R, until Newsome develops the necessary passing skills to balance out the attack. Back in 1999, when Michael Vick was making headlines for his on the field play as a Redshirt Freshman at Virginia Tech the offense was simple…one downfield read, if he is covered…run. Until he gets comfortable in the pocket, I see Kevin Newsome following this same formula (people tend to forget that Vick led the NCAA in Passing Efficiency as a freshman that year with 180.4).
Domino Effect
Penn State is very fortunate that the cupboard is stacked with Blue Chip QB prospects…and Matt McGloin. During the 2008 Clark/Devlin QB battle, the point was made many times: if Pat Devlin doesn’t win the job he is going to transfer. Devlin, the record setting Pennsylvania prep QB and 4 star recruit was a big get for JoePa and company. After a Redshirt season, he patiently waited behind another former Blue Chip recruit, QB14. 2008 was going to be the year that fan favorite Pat Devlin won the starting job and becoming a three year starter for Penn State. A funny thing happened on the way to him winning the starting job: Daryll Clark won the job.
From all accounts, DC and Devlin were neck and neck during the Spring and Summer, DC got the job due to experience. Devlin said all the right things; he even relieved the injured Clark during the Ohio State game to lead us to victory. During Rose Bowl preparations, Devlin decided to transfer to Delaware (some feel it was because he wasn’t given the opportunity to replace a struggling Clark during the Iowa game…even Derrick Williams got to throw a pass in that game). Devlin’s departure cleared the way for Newsome to decommit from Michigan and join Penn State in the winter of 2009. It also left Penn State painfully thin at QB, which led to the commitments of Paul Jones and Robert Bolden in 2010.
No one wants to hear the dreaded "T" word, but if Newsome does win, someone is going to look for greener pastures (or a position change), we just don’t know the pecking order yet.
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Why are QBs so quick to transfer?
There is no position on the field that doesn’t have backups who would rather be starting, and QB is one of the positions more likely to have an injury thus resulting in real playing time for the patient back up. Maybe we are just jaded by the recent pain of Devlin transferring and all of our current QBs will hang in there and play their roles.
Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils
My thought is "There can be only one"...
as in usally there is only one starting QB at a time vs. a multiple rb rotation, multiple WR on the field, mutliple Corners, LBers, etc.
QB is, arguably, the most important positon on the field – thus if you don’t get a few years to start in college, chances of NFL dreams fade quickly
It might also be an ego issue. Since QB is the pre-Madonna postion, many would prefer to start at the top elsewhere, rather than wait for an injury or graduation to eventually become the man where they are.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
The pre-Madonna position?
So QBs star in dirty movies before starting their music careers?
by BurrowesBldg on Aug 16, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Hehe
I love how the internet has created completely different phonetic spellings. Moot point becomes moo point. Prima donna become pre-Madonna. And that’s in addition to all the other stuff like thx and 4 as abbreviations.
I've never seen "moo point"
That’s hilarious.
by BurrowesBldg on Aug 16, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
you must not be country enough.
I have always found it udderly hilarious.
by BMAN13 on Aug 16, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I hear ya'. Drive's me crazy, too.
What really amazes me from reading internet message boards is how many people have trouble spelling “lose” and “ridiculous”. It’s simply “rediculous” how many people “loose” out when trying to spell those two words correctly. I don’t get it…it’s not like they’re particularly tricky like “chamois” or something like that.
What gets me is THEN vs. THAN.
It’s less THAN not less then when you’re making a comparison.
For the glory
That's rediculous. Not fat fingers....
…but lose fingers.
There fingers need to be seperated.
Or separated. Witchever works four you.
How many errors can you spot?
KTxBai
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Aug 18, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
The misspelling of ridiculous is tied for first on my list of biggest pet peeves
along with misusing literally.
And now I sit back and await a response misusing literally…
by PSUisMyHeart on Aug 16, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
They're ya' go!
I literally hate that one, two.
“Could care less” is also big on my list.
And you don’t really see it on message boards, but I can’t stand when I here hear “free gift”. I mean…what other kind of gift is “their”? I was never given a gift I had to pay for.
PIN number “greats” on me as well…the same way ATM machine does.
And you don’t really see it on message boards, but I can’t stand when I here hear "free gift". I mean…what other kind of gift is "their"? I was never given a gift I had to pay for.
you are not married, are you.
Ha!
I am. I see what “your” saying, though. She does cost me a lot seeing as I work two jobs and she only works two days a week.
Actually, I’m very happily married. Kids, pets, house…the whole bit (as Joe would say). I guess I’m lucky. Almost 20 years and no regrets at all. Heck, I even really like my in-laws!
I once wrote "The Grammar Lady"...
…a question about “ignorant”. (It was a column in the newspaper…obviously this was in the pre-internet days.)
I would often hear people say something like “He’s ignorant”. It was always my contention that you can’t be just plain, old “ignorant”, but instead needed to be ignorant of something (He’s ignorant of the situation). Anyway, my question got published (probably not any great accomplishment…I doubt she got very many questions) and it stumped “The Grammar Lady”. She couldn’t decide if I was correct or not.
People in Pittsburgh misuse ignorant for rude, I've noticed.
It used to drive me nuts. Now I’m back in the South, where we just say rude.
For the glory
Why don't girls enjoy being backup girlfriends?
I think the psychology is roughly the same.
by gumbercules on Aug 16, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't even imagine the look on McGloins face
when Joe shows up to the big dance with Newsome instead.
What about backup tapes
Think they feel dissed by primary hard drives?
Ohio State has the worst fans in the Big Ten. Bar none. And it’s not even close. Humorless in defeat. Condescending in victory. Generally insecure all the time. I’ve partied and had fun with fans of every team in this league, save Ohio State.
Tertiary storage has been holding clipboards for years.
by gumbercules on Aug 16, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I met some tertiary storage at a hotel bar one night
She was a psychological mess and almost too many drinks into her evening. Oh, yeah, I mounted that drive.
Ohio State has the worst fans in the Big Ten. Bar none. And it’s not even close. Humorless in defeat. Condescending in victory. Generally insecure all the time. I’ve partied and had fun with fans of every team in this league, save Ohio State.
by jtothep on Aug 16, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
If Bolden and Jones BOTH redshirt...
…they will have two full seasons—2013-14—without Newsome and McGloin on the roster. I know, I know, it won’t happen. But you have to think at least one of them will be redshirted in 2010, right?
If Newsome is named the starter, it would seem absurd to not redshirt both Jones and Bolden for 2010. That redshirt could always be pulled, should Newsome and McGloin not handle the job.
A Garden State Nittany Lion...
by Mike Pettigano on Aug 16, 2010 10:22 AM EDT reply actions
Could be the only way we keep both Jones and Bolden
Tell one of them to take a redshirt and they will be the guy in 2014. But when you’re 18 years old, 2014 seems like a lifetime away.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
Don't discount the possibility of a 2 QB offense.
The best argument against redshirting both is that one guy can help the offense this season, even if Newsome is the titular starter.
"Until somebody knocks you on your rear end, and pardon me ladies, but unless somebody knocks you on your rear end, you're never going to learn." - Joe Paterno
by Illegal Formation on Aug 16, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Can't have
your cake and eat it too. I’m not sure which of Bolden or Jones is the cake/icing, but I’d vote for funfetti and chocolate in 2012.
by P the S out of U on Aug 16, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Funfetti and chocolate? This is good?
"Until somebody knocks you on your rear end, and pardon me ladies, but unless somebody knocks you on your rear end, you're never going to learn." - Joe Paterno
by Illegal Formation on Aug 16, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I call shenanigans.
I’ve always assumed the QBsneak12 is Kevin Newsome.
Bacon is almost as great as being a Penn Stater
I just hope they at least start to narrow the field by the end of the week
if they keep splitting the practice reps four ways, we will end up with an inexperienced starter who has barely practiced with the first team offense (kind of like what will happen with the offensive line).
As said above, following past practice, the oldest player will start game 1. If one of the younger guys are better, they should crack the lineup by game 6 (see Mills vs Seneca and J. Sacca vs. Collins).
I dunno
Do you remember how bad Seneca was? I mean he was REALLY bad. The difference in talent was visible to anyone with a pulse , yet Joe kept giving Seneca every shot in the world to keep the job. 3 and out 3 or 4 times and then put in Mills. Next week repeat the same thing.
If Clark couldn’t overtake Morelli I don’t know if Bolden/Jones can overtake McGloin/Newsome.
No doubt about it...
“…following past practice, the oldest player will start game 1.”
I just hope they don’t have three or four loses by the time a switch is made, if necessary.
by LowcountryLion on Aug 16, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Really?
following past practice, the oldest player will start game 1
Then that means Cianciolo would have started in 2008. And that McGloin will start this year.
I agree.
From the way they let him throw it around early in the season, it was clear the coaches had full confidence in DC.
"Until somebody knocks you on your rear end, and pardon me ladies, but unless somebody knocks you on your rear end, you're never going to learn." - Joe Paterno
by Illegal Formation on Aug 16, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
i agree
there’s no evidence that it was experience.
I think as fans we tend to focus too much on the recruiting rankings and pre-college evaluations.
As someone wrote elsewhere on the site recently, once these guys step on to campus, they’re all nittany lions and what they did or didn’t do in high school or how highly rival’s had them rated simply doesn’t matter. Some of the best football coaches in the country watch what they’re able to do now against top-level defenses playing at top speeds.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
Evidence in judgment calls is pretty ethereal all around
Let’s just be careful how we characterize the sentiments. I obviously agree with you about the strength of the stars-are-a-distraction argument (and even that many of us may tend to hold too tightly to those pre-arrival designations by the recruiter site staff, given it’s often our only access to info as to a player’s quality). But it’s good to remember that the whole thing is a judgment call—by two main parties. Just as JoePa and staff are free (it’s their job!) to evaluate players and make a judgment call, we fans are equally as free to make a judgment call on those coaches’ decisions. We’re equally as free to deduce anything from ‘Joe hates the Irish’ to ‘Devlin was too softspoken while DC was the stereotypical vocal leader.’
Just because it is their job, doesn’t make our judgment of their work any less valuable here in Blogistan.
Ohio State has the worst fans in the Big Ten. Bar none. And it’s not even close. Humorless in defeat. Condescending in victory. Generally insecure all the time. I’ve partied and had fun with fans of every team in this league, save Ohio State.
if JoePa had said
“I thought Clark and Devlin were even, but we went with Clark because he had more experience,” then I think we’d have “evidence” that experience was the reason DC got the job.
You’re right, however, to call my attention to the fact that we’re all making judgement calls. Personally, I tend to trust the coaches on this stuff and probably a little too much. But I have absolutely no data—I watch no practices, have never talked to these guys, etc—so I personally find it very hard to argue for changing qb’s when we never see the back-ups play.
With linebackers, running backs, D-lineman, etc, you usually get to watch the back-ups play meaningful snaps so a couple three games into the season, you have some strength in your argument if you want to see a switch. But unless the coaches are playing two qb’s, I just don’t have enough info to judge the situation on its own.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
The issue of data is legitimate
Coaches have way more than we do, of course. And great point about our access to data being different for different positions vis a vis non-QB backups seeing more snaps (thereby giving us that missing access) than QB backups.
But in the internet age, fan access to data is far above zero. My favorite is player quotes. Granted, we only get a few each week and kids are getting coached better and better these days on how to talk to the media, but we occasionally get something totally insightful, and at the very least, gathered together, they provide additional (sometimes decent) context. I’m still looking at all Johnnie Troutman doghouse news with a wary eye based on Wiz’ early season post-game outburst last year.
I’m sure you know I get it: the coaches are professionals, while most of us are not. But while the coaches are making a judgment call on only one data set, we get to make them on two.
Ohio State has the worst fans in the Big Ten. Bar none. And it’s not even close. Humorless in defeat. Condescending in victory. Generally insecure all the time. I’ve partied and had fun with fans of every team in this league, save Ohio State.
Remind me
What was Wiz’s outburst?
by speedomike on Aug 16, 2010 11:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I've tried unsuccessfully to find a link
So pardon the paraphrasing. I also can’t remember exactly which game it was after, one of the 1st three, pre-Iowa, I think. Anyway, it sounded like he was disappointed in Stank’s play (without naming him by name) and was bitchin about non-cohesion and alluding to (warning: heavy paraphrasing approaching…) petty grudges by JoePa wrt to Troutman and his weight. Said something about the need to set aside that stuff so the real starters can get to building together.
also, asterisk on my use of ‘outburst.’ It was Wiz after all, so not terribly outburstey by normal standards.
Hopefully that’s enough qualifiers…
Ohio State has the worst fans in the Big Ten. Bar none. And it’s not even close. Humorless in defeat. Condescending in victory. Generally insecure all the time. I’ve partied and had fun with fans of every team in this league, save Ohio State.
I remember that too.
He said something to the effect that the shuffling wasn’t helping. You could have interpreted it to mean that the players needed to play better so the coaches wouldn’t have to shuffle, or that the coaches needed to pick a lineup and stick with it. I chose to interpret it as the latter.
"Until somebody knocks you on your rear end, and pardon me ladies, but unless somebody knocks you on your rear end, you're never going to learn." - Joe Paterno
by Illegal Formation on Aug 16, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I imagine Paterno ranks coaching advice from Wiz
only slightly above our advice here at BSD. Troutman’s m.o. seems to be dig himself out of the doghouse, get some PT, break down due to lack of conditioning, spend rest of season on trainer’s table.
by Frank O'Brien on Aug 16, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Look, we all love JoePa
But in any he-said, she-said situation (even a non-cheerocracy like the Coach-Player relationship), there is an ocean of grey area. We’ve all heard Joe characterized at some point in his career as stubborn, right? Would it surprise anyone to learn that somewhere along the way Troutman pissed him off, and that he was subsequently being unnecessarily punitive to him (and by extension, the team)?
And nobody’s disputing his autocracy, which makes any spelunking in the Speculation Cave moo, but to my earlier point, hearing that from Wiz gives me the fan an additional data point and sufficient context to ask a fair question.
Ohio State has the worst fans in the Big Ten. Bar none. And it’s not even close. Humorless in defeat. Condescending in victory. Generally insecure all the time. I’ve partied and had fun with fans of every team in this league, save Ohio State.
I recognize that Paterno is stubborn for better or worse
However, had big Johnnie arrived in camp 20 lbs lighter, I’ll speculate, he had a better chance of starting all 13 games last year.
by Frank O'Brien on Aug 16, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok
Yeah that sounds familiar. Troutman is a player I have some inside info about and he’s a frustrating guy to deal with.
by speedomike on Aug 16, 2010 12:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What? You cannot be serious!
Of course we, the fans, know what’s best. Those dopes think they get to make all the decisions just because they’re with the team all the time and actually get to see them perform on a daily basis. And that proven track record of success means nothing. I say we take a poll and pick the starter.
by Frank O'Brien on Aug 16, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Not so much game experience
A couple of run plays during the Alamo Bowl don’t cut it. Experience in terms of being around the offense/system.
Blue and White
What? No 'End of Story?'
Ohio State has the worst fans in the Big Ten. Bar none. And it’s not even close. Humorless in defeat. Condescending in victory. Generally insecure all the time. I’ve partied and had fun with fans of every team in this league, save Ohio State.
I hope you don't wake up that Semanticron dude
Next thing you know, he’ll be in here with ‘depends what you mean by ’better’…’
Ohio State has the worst fans in the Big Ten. Bar none. And it’s not even close. Humorless in defeat. Condescending in victory. Generally insecure all the time. I’ve partied and had fun with fans of every team in this league, save Ohio State.
What happened to that guy
he made a brief appearance then climbed back into the liberal arts hole he crawled out of. He’s probably reading some Jane Austen somewhere. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
by Frank O'Brien on Aug 16, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
I don’t think he made a single point in any of his posts. And then he disappeared into the night.
I kind of agreed with his point about geography being a red herring
But it looked like he may have made a bad choice in screenname, cuz the reaction he got seemed to be more about his methods than his logic.
Ohio State has the worst fans in the Big Ten. Bar none. And it’s not even close. Humorless in defeat. Condescending in victory. Generally insecure all the time. I’ve partied and had fun with fans of every team in this league, save Ohio State.
I honestly don't remember the conversation
just the fact that his argument was based around something similar to defining the word “is” than something substantive in nature.
But his name made me think he was a grammar obsessed Transformer as well.
Exactly
That was my perception as well. Maybe if he comes back as Hello Kitty, he’ll be met with a more-receptive response.
Ohio State has the worst fans in the Big Ten. Bar none. And it’s not even close. Humorless in defeat. Condescending in victory. Generally insecure all the time. I’ve partied and had fun with fans of every team in this league, save Ohio State.
I just don't like arguing that
much about trivialities. While I enjoyed his addition to BSD for the short time he joined us, he left me exhauseted.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
I thought Jay came out and said that he tracked every pass thrown in camp
His evaluation was based on all the camp throws and though the competition was close, Clark was the better of the two. The final scrimage sealed the deal. No one said Clark got the job because of experience except people who thought Devlin had to be better because he had more stars.
Along with the experience thing
everyone mentioned was in their third or fourth year in the system. Newsome only really has one yr in the system and very little playing time. He is not head and shoulders over the others in the experience catagory. I truly think it is an open competition this year or you would not hear about 4 QBs getting first team reps in the scrimage this past weekend. Joe isn’t one to sugar coat competitions except in the press.
I'd argue
that 1 year in is head and shoulders above a guy just coming in to the system. Newsome had had a year under Jay’s tutiledge and (should) know all the basics of the system, whereas a guy like Bolden is coming in and has to learn simple things like terminology and other simple concepts before moving on to the full workings of the playbook.
In game experience-wise, I’d be willing to say that Newsome isn’t “head and shoulders” above any of the other options, but still in my mind, every snap does make a difference.
I think the competition is due
to Bolden and others picking up the system very fast, for whatever reason. I think Bolden is making it very difficult on the coaches to exclude him from the race. I do remember him saying back in the spring that he was already studying the playbook and working hard on film and reads so he would not have so much catch up to do. He has come across as a very astute student of the game. I don’t think this is a matter of Newsome not getting it but of the others really working hard to be at that level.
If I recall
And I’m no expert nor do I have a great memory (have to write everything down). But I thought he wanted to graduate early and get a jump on the system but his school wouldn’t allow for early graduation.
With that being the case I thought he asked for a copy of the playbook and tapes and stuff to watch. If that’s true then that’s a really good approach and what you’d like to see out of any player.
I really like what I’m reading/hearing about Bolden. Seems to have the right attitude and is trying to do anything he can to show he’s a team player that wants to take on a lot of responsibility.
Plus the fact that Bolden
made the choice to get the hell out of Michigan displays that he possesses sound decision making skills.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
by rahpsu92 on Aug 16, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Rec time.
"Until somebody knocks you on your rear end, and pardon me ladies, but unless somebody knocks you on your rear end, you're never going to learn." - Joe Paterno
by Illegal Formation on Aug 16, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, that hurts!
Rec’d anyway.
"Nothing turns me on like doe estrus." - ReadingRambler
by leeharvey418 on Aug 17, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
I remember reading an interview where Bolden assembled his high school wide receiver teammates and they were running routes for him so he could get accustomed to the playbook.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
I think I comes down to Newsome and Bolden
In a Paterno system the older guy will always have a leg up which puts Newsome in the final 2. After the Blue White game it was a Jones parade but since then the only positive notes coming out of practice are Bolden and McGloin. I think McGloin will be hampered by his desision making abilities but he’ll fill the back up role very well. Jones is a lot like Bolden but hasn’t impressed as much as Bolden has. So you redshirt Jones.
That leaves you Newsome and Bolden. I’ve heard from the players I know that Newsome isn’t the fastest learner. Couple that with the fact Bolden is putting in extra time with film and weights..and Joes qoute about starting freshman. Newsome could start the season but Bolden very well could end it. Just my mid-transit to work thoughts.
Penn State isn't just football, it's life.
@Ben_Jones88
by Ben Jones on Aug 16, 2010 12:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Thats true
I guess age in the “I’ve been used on the field” sense
Penn State isn't just football, it's life.
@Ben_Jones88
Which is way better than
age in the “I’ve been used” sense.
"Nothing turns me on like doe estrus." - ReadingRambler
by leeharvey418 on Aug 17, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Off Topic:
So are RUTS and Kevin out? I must have missed the memo.
"Life is no way to treat an animal"
Yea
From what I gather they wanted to have a site where they could talk about anything. Which means things have gone full circle.
RUTS had his own site, then came over here and now has his own site again.
may I ask for the link?
"Life is no way to treat an animal"
by Mr. Rosewater on Aug 16, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
RUTS and Kevin can be found at www.slowstates.com
Clearly lacking that SEC speed.
by Frank O'Brien on Aug 16, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Clark the better quarterback?
Devlin will go in the first round of the NFL draft next year and Clark will be hunting moose in Canada. Clark never won a big game and was saved by Devlin at OSU. If Penn State were fortunate, Jay Paterno would take up moose hunting with DC in Canada. Newsome has a problem of putting the ball on the ground. That is what Joe said last year. Joe didn’t play him against LSU in the bowl game and that speaks volumes. It would have been a great learning experience for him to play. Let the two freshman work it out on the field and put Newsome in an “athlete” position.
I disagree completely
And I can back that up with a bunch of snarkey comments too but I’m to lazy. Instead, I’ll just say you are wrong, and Devlin was not better than Clark, which i do believe to be true. NFL does not equal college and i guess we’ll see where Devlin gets drafted. With one year now to impress scouts, since he wasnt that great last year, Devllin gets to prove his worth against James Madison instead of Alabama. His choice of schedules.
Wow those are some giant leaps you're taking there
Yeah, Devlin was in there for the go ahead TD but it was the Rubin FF and the interference, along with tOSU defense wearing down that made that TD, more so than anything Devlin did. btw, It was DC making plays and moving that chains throughout that game, along with Royster and the OL wearing down the tOSU defense. Coincidenttally, the fumble gave PSU their best field position of the game
Second, why doesn’t beatling LSU count as winning a big game?
Third, why would you bring in your backup QB into a tight bowl game when your starter has been effictive moving the ball? There was plenty of confidence in Newsome to come in a move the team during a blowout of MSU the prior game.
Devlin may well indeed turn out to be the better QB in 2010 and beyond, but in 2008 there’s not a lot of evidence to support the coaches made a bad decision. Although the Iowa fiasco may have been a good time to give Devlin a shot.
by Frank O'Brien on Aug 16, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
Re: the Iowa fiasco.
Ohio State has the worst fans in the Big Ten. Bar none. And it’s not even close. Humorless in defeat. Condescending in victory. Generally insecure all the time. I’ve partied and had fun with fans of every team in this league, save Ohio State.
Please tell me this is a serious comment so we can all rip you a new one
and not have to apologize later because we didn’t realize you were being sarcastic.
by dawsonPSU10 on Aug 16, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
"Devlin will go in the first round of the NFL draft next year"
Really? I’m asking honestly – I haven’t heard anything about him since he left.
Reply fail again.
I’m still a 72-year-old woman.
by BurrowesBldg on Aug 16, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Devlin
will get drafted something Clark did not do. But college success and NFL success are different. DC got it done at the highest level in college football. Devlin is going the Joe Flacco route.
Blue and White
I think the problem
That so many people have is trying to figure out why a QB leaves, when so many other position players don’t.
If you’re an RB you have a real shot for a 2 RB system. Royster & Green for instance, plus this is something you see a lot in the NFL now. You want a fresh RB so you split carries up. It’s hard to do that with a quarterback.
Same goes for wide receiver , you have 3 or 4 WRs in a set (depending what formation you’re running out of. Heck you could go 5 wide in a shotgun set if you really wanted to go all out crazy). So you have a shot of moving up/down the depth chart and seeing the field a bit more often. Once again this is hard to do with the quarterback.
Same would go for CB, as you can work your way from the dime package/nickle package to the base 4-3 defense.
I guess what I’m saying is if you’re the back-up QB in college you don’t know how likely it is you’ll see playing time outside of mop up duty. You could be waiting for an injury that never comes (you never want to hope for that to begin with) or you could be waiting for the QB to stink up the joint (as a team player you don’t want that either).
This isn’t the pro’s where you can just enjoy holding the clipboard for Peyton Manning or Favre for 5 or 10 years collecting a nice paycheck and then going home.
You have 3 or 4 years to make an impression and try to get to the NFL. And for players like Shane Falco (ir uh Flacco) they realized their best odds were to put themselves in a position where they would be the guy.
I got to see 3 of UD’s games on TV last year for some reason (don’t know why they were played in my area). He really didn’t impress at all. Under pressure he made tons of mistakes but then UD’s o-line was not very good. He will probably get drafted but I doubt very much it is first round. My point is still, is one year playing PSU’s schedule while watching and learning on the sideline for two better than starting two years against much lower competition. He will likely not face a single player that could start on PSU’s defense this year.
Devlin
Devlin is certainly getting some attention. He has been ranked in these “Way Too Early Mock Drafts” by Kiper and McShay on tWWL as being one of the top 10 QBs in the draft. Phil Steele has him ranked pretty high as well. But, I have to say I agree with a lot of the comments on the level of competition and talent around him.
Living in Delaware, I saw him play a few times last year and I have to think he made a bit of a mistake leaving (no, i’m not going to go on some huge tangent and yes, I’m aware he’s not coming back) . If his goal ultimately is the NFL, I would agree with the above comments that wouldn’t you want to have Ohio State, Iowa, and Bama on your most recent resume rather than Towson, Rhode Island and Duquesne? Plus, the talent he has around him is mediocre at best. I did some of my undergrad work at UD and watching this team over the last 2 years, they don’t enarly have the talent of the 2003 Nat’l Champ team or even 2007 with Flacco.
Oh well. He made his choice, he seems to be happy at Delaware and focused on what he has to do.
Let's Go State!
I haven't seen his specific draft "position"
but top 10 QB is hardly first round, and probably not even first day. There just aren’t 10 NFL teams out there that need a new “franchise” QB to get one in the first round (or day…or however they have the draft set up now).
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 17, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
And your blue hair
Remains smokin hot.
Ohio State has the worst fans in the Big Ten. Bar none. And it’s not even close. Humorless in defeat. Condescending in victory. Generally insecure all the time. I’ve partied and had fun with fans of every team in this league, save Ohio State.
I get it done down at Edna's.
The never show Delaware games, though.
by BurrowesBldg on Aug 16, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
OMG
Can you even believe she took her man back? After the crap he pulled?
Ohio State has the worst fans in the Big Ten. Bar none. And it’s not even close. Humorless in defeat. Condescending in victory. Generally insecure all the time. I’ve partied and had fun with fans of every team in this league, save Ohio State.
i think devlin transfering
really shook up this situation. I mean, if he did not transfer we would be playing him. Now we have a unique situation. Maybe Paterno will do something different this time cough Bolden cough
Some things the staff should consider:
- What QBs might be better at a different position for the benefit of the team and their potential NFL career.
- What QB has the most upside and is most ready now?
- Who is the smartest, both on the field and off?
What I am basically saying is, regardless of age/year but overly honest with these kids and don’t string along at a position. If Jones is the odd man out, let him know NOW in case he wants to go elsewhere or change position
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