Everybody Has Issues - Even Alabama
It's no secret that not many people are giving Penn State a chance when they travel to Tuscaloosa on September 11. Actually, only the most delusional of Penn State fans is predicting a victory. The Tide are the reigning national champions, and Mark Ingram is the reigning Heisman Trophy winner. They are ranked #1 in the nation and everyone is predicting them to repeat. Penn State is breaking in a new quarterback, some new offensive linemen, and three linebackers. It's a recipe for a blowout by normal standards.
When faced with such a daunting challenge, it's easy to look at Alabama and think they are invincible. But pull back the curtain and you can see it's not all lollipops and rainbows in Crimson Tide Paradise this week.
The Tide have a lot of talent to replace on defense this year, somewhere in the neighborhood of nine starters. Normally this would be cause for major concern, but in a day and age when lazy reporters just put together their preseason rankings based on who returns the best quarterback, people casually overlook this fact and gave Alabama the #1 slot because they return Greg McElroy and Heisman Trophy winner Mark Ingram.
Unfortunately for them, the 11 guys on defense do matter. Alabama held a scrimmage over the weekend, and the results were not pretty from a defensive perspective. The quarterbacks threw nearly 60 passes and completed on 80% of them. Combined they threw for almost 700 yards and 8 touchdowns. In all the offenses scored 13 touchdowns on Nick Saban's heralded defense. After the scrimmage, Saban was not pleased.
"I don't think defensively as a whole we played very well at all," Saban said. "We didn't tackle. We didn't finish. We didn't clean up tackles and knock runners back. We didn't have the eye of the tiger we need to be a good defensive team, and that's all 11 of them."
In their defense, Alabama has suffered a lot of injuries that has made their secondary paper thin. Safety Robert Lester has suffered a concussion. Cornerbacks Demarcus Millinier and DaQuan Menzie are both fighting through leg injuries (ankle and hamstring respectively). And this is of course on top of the loss of junior safety Robby Green who was expected to start but will have to sit out the season due to academics.
But if the entire cause could be traced to a twisted ankle here or a tweaked hammy there I would say this is probably no big deal and Alabama will be ready in time for the season. But apparently it's more than just that. There are indications out there that the players aren't really taking things very seriously.
During the first of two practices on Monday, Nick Saban was cracking the whip.
By about 9:40 a.m., Nick Saban already was worked up.He was crossing his arms, pacing, only waiting for the next of his defensive backs to grab his attention. They could only hope to not be the one.
"You guys got no sense of urgency!" Saban bellowed, loud enough to be heard throughout the busy practice field. "You play like sticks!"
After practice, the Alabama players held a team meeting to address the lack of effort being shown on the practice field.
Said McElroy: "One of my main focuses during my little talk was just that I want people to care. I think the thing that bothers me more than anything about it, not necessarily from a talent standpoint, but just how much to do you care about the team? What are you willing to give to allow the team to be successful? I think that we all need to take a look in the mirror — offense, defense, special teams, everybody — and see what we're not doing right and notice those problems and be honest with yourself."
If this was all happening halfway through the season during a bye week I would say no big deal. Every team hits the wall at some point in the season. Their bodies hurt, they are mentally exhausted, maybe a weaker opponent is coming up and they just let up on the effort. You have to expect that. But this is the second week of preseason practice. You would think after an entire summer of lifting weights and running drills with football just three weeks away that these guys would be chomping at the bit to strap on the pads and hit each other. Especially with nine slots open on defense that are up for grabs.
But instead we're hearing that Alabama is having problems getting motivated? To me, that's a serious red flag if I'm a Crimson Tide fan. That tells me these guys spent the summer reading the headlines and celebrating their championship instead of finishing hard on that last sprint or fighting through that last bench press when your arms feel like they have nothing left to give. Nobody is going to give you anything just because you're Alabama. Let's hope they learn that the hard way on September 11.
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Mike if this blogging thing doesn't work out
You’d make a hell of a motivational speaker.
by speedomike on Aug 17, 2010 2:36 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
and hangnig out at parties with watches they shouldn't be able to afford unless they went to USC

Blue and White
Holy hell
For a second there I thought Gary Coleman had come back from the grave and won the Heisman. That head is extremely disproportional to his shoulders.
Wow, bad timing with my Fanpost
But I agree that this is good news for Penn State fans. All offseason it seems like everyone in the country has been downplaying or ignoring the utter depletion of Alabama’s defense. Now we’re getting the first real signs that the defense could be a critical weakness for Alabama this season.
I’m not predicting a PSU victory—if nothing else, home field advantage would make Alabama the favorite in this game. But, I don’t think Alabama’s offense is good enough to dominate Penn State’s defense, and I really don’t think Alabama’s defense is good enough to dominate Penn State’s offense. So, I think it will be a close game. Penn State would still need a lucky break or two to pull out a victory, but it’s within reach.
by newenglandnittanylion on Aug 17, 2010 2:47 PM EDT reply actions
Consider me delusional.
Penn State 20, Alabama 16.
"Until somebody knocks you on your rear end, and pardon me ladies, but unless somebody knocks you on your rear end, you're never going to learn." - Joe Paterno
by Illegal Formation on Aug 17, 2010 2:47 PM EDT reply actions
I think we need to put up at least 30 to win this one
so if we win, I’m going with 31-28.
And that’ll take more than Royster getting 6 yards a pop. We’ll need a breakaway by Green, a long run by a QB, a trick play, and probably a timely pick or two.
Nah.
The D won’t give up 28 all season.
"Until somebody knocks you on your rear end, and pardon me ladies, but unless somebody knocks you on your rear end, you're never going to learn." - Joe Paterno
by Illegal Formation on Aug 17, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know
Bama has the type of offense that gives us problems.
by speedomike on Aug 17, 2010 4:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Count me in...
I have been thinking that this will be a close one, with us on top within 3 points, count me delusional as well…and quite frankly, I think our defense has enough to pull off the shocker…
championships often breed complacency
see: last two Steelers super bowl victories
let’s hope that indeed is what’s happening in tuscaloosa. I think if we were to pull out a W in Alabama, it would likely be part of a very subpar Alabama season where they just continue to underperform all year. But I also think that could give the confidence to catapult the nittany lions into a great year…not that I would ever predict that.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
My take
First, I should say that I think people give McElroy too little credit. He’s not flashy, but he had stretches of excellence last year and now has a year under his belt. That offense will be really good.
The defense, however … to me it’s not so much that they’re replacing nine starters, it’s that two of those starters were McClain and Cody. Four- and five-star recruits can fill in for a lot of people and you don’t miss a beat, but McClain and Cody up the middle are not guys you just replace by snapping your fingers. As good as Hightower is, he was still a notch below McClain’s level and is coming off an ACL.
The defense won’t be “bad.” Too much talent. And I don’t think there are many Tide fans in panic mode. But that practice story is not surprising — they’re just not going to put an elite defense on the field in September (whether or not Penn State can field an offense good enough to take advantage of it is another matter, though).
Not so sure about our O
Whether Matt “Ah My Groin!” or K New or Bolden is starting, this isn’t going to be a passing offense that can tear apart a disorganized secondary. At best we will see strength against strength and weakness against weakness. I feel the same way I did 3 months ago before I knew PSU had a true 4-way battle for QB and Bama’s defense couldn’t be so much as a speed bump in practice. It’s just both weaknesses look that much weaker.
My gut feeling is Bama’s offense will move the ball really well, but the bending and not breaking of the PSU D will keep it respectable. I just don’t feel think offense will be confident and dynamic enough in the 2nd week to overcome the weight of facing #1 on the road.
Buying in to your own hype...
a recipe for disaster. I hope they continue to do so.
Every time I see “Eye of the Tiger” now I’m expecting someone to get tazed. Unfortunately Saban isn’t liking the intensity.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
This reminds me of our 2006 season...
2005 ended on such a high note:
-B10 championship
-BCS Bowl championship
-Great recruiting class in 2006
-a Junior QB (formerly 5 star recruit) who was going to light it up with whom some felt was the best receiving core in the B10.
Lost in all that were the Seniors on offense and defense who endured the worst 4-5 year stretch of PSU football history. The ones who really wanted it.
Then the Notre Dame debacle happened. A tough loss to OSU. An embarrassing home loss to Michigan at home and finally an infuriating loss to Wiscy.
Every headline going into 2006 was all sunshine and farts for PSU and we ended up being pretty mediocre. Not saying that’s going to happen to Bama…but when you lose sight of the road in front of you, it’s gonna be tough sledding.
We're gonna win this game
#chokesonkoolaid
#loveseveryminuteofit
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
I am getting hope
Maybe ball control ala Paterno against an average defense will work against Alabama, I certainly don’t expect a blow out either way after reading this. Our D is going to be good enough to stop them more than they might like to think also. I will forgo the prediction except that by the end of the game I will have consumed at least 4 beers.
Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils
I'll take the over on that.
Don’t forget, it’s a night game.
"Until somebody knocks you on your rear end, and pardon me ladies, but unless somebody knocks you on your rear end, you're never going to learn." - Joe Paterno
by Illegal Formation on Aug 17, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
And the under on the scoreboard
9-0, 8-3, 6-0 final scores from some of the latest PSU-Alabama games and it sounds about right for this game. Touchdowns may be hard to come by.
by Frank O'Brien on Aug 17, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
But will Penn state win 13-9 with an FU safety in the final minutes?
That is the question…
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 17, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
This is the biggest game of the decade
See what I did there?
McGloin Despite Them
Preaching the McGospel since Aug. 2nd, 2010
by millzners on Aug 17, 2010 3:31 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Nyuk nyuk
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Aug 17, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
One of the idiots on RBR
Says we won’t even sniff their 20 yard line. If the players aren’t buying into their hype their fans certainly make up for it.
This is perfect bulletin board material for Royster..
I’m pretty sure part of the reason he came back was because this year’s schedule gives him some opportunities to show his stuff on the national stage.
by Artiefufkin10 on Aug 17, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Who cares what the RBR trolls say.
They’re all idiots, therefore, they should not be given attention!
For the glory
i care quite a bit, actually.
BSD has been staunchly partisan but always welcoming to folks from our site. we’d like to think we offer the same in exchange.
Roll 'Bama Roll: The Champagne of 'Bama Blogs.
Yeah, I think it's probably unfair to call them a troll,
but I get the overall point.
I think our BSDivas are more disagreeing with a point made over there. Quite frankly, I think it’s fair to criticize someone saying we won’t “sniff” the 20. That’s probably crazy if said about most games, especially such an unproven defense.
At the same time, I don’t expect everyone over on your site to act as if PSU fans are constantly watching and walk on eggshells all the time. In fact, I look forward to the coming flamewar (beginning Sept. 5 or so)!
by PSUinBOSSton on Aug 17, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
The troll name was thrown in for the fanshot about the goal line stand discussion.
That’s something I think should stay on RBR and NOT be posted on our site. If our people wander over there and join in the discussion, I hope they will be civil. However, I wouldn’t dream of posting a “Penn State is discussing the 1986 Alabama game” thread on THEIR site. I think the post was just in incredibly poor taste.
For the glory
My fault.
I thought you were talking about the person making olfactory comments. I guess I wasn’t clear.
From what you are describing, it sounds like you were right all along. Who cares what they think?
/previous post retracted in part
by PSUinBOSSton on Aug 17, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
No worries.
Wouldn’t have earned the “Diva” if you couldn’t.
by PSUinBOSSton on Aug 17, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
You guys just don't get it.......
The vast majority of Bama fans love this match up. The series we had with Penn State in the eighties is held near and dear by our fans old enough to remember the epic games we had. I take it that your Penn State fans on this blog must be fairly young. If you knew the history of our games together you would come away with nothing but respect for each other. We certainly respect Penn State. That being said, we are also confident going into this game. Joe Pa’ doesnt even coach anymore. So that advantage is not there. Even if he was still coaching we would still have the advantage. We are loaded at every position except safety and DB. But the talent is there. I look forward to this game just because of the great games in the past. So continue to be dillusional. We shall see what the lions have soon enough. It won’t be a close game.
obligatory "fixed that for ya"
So I’ll continue to be
dillusionaldelusional. We shall see what the lions have soon enough. It won’t be a close game
By the way, tell me the position that PSU is NOT stacked at.
D-line: uh, yeah, we’re stacked
LB: green, but stacked
DBs: one of the best secondaries PSU has had in a while
O-line: probably our biggest weakness, and by that I mean still at least an above average unit for a BCS conference team.
TEs: well I guess you got us there.
WRs: one of the deepest units we’ve ever had, with some solid playmakers
RBs: stacked, and then some
QBs: just like our LBs, green but stacked
I’m not going to say that we’re better than Alabama, since I haven’t seen either team in their current incarnation play yet, and more than likely Alabama is the better team, but anyone who, at this point right now, believes that it will be a blowout just doesn’t seem to have actually evaluated either team (especially not PSU), and is just regurgitating the whole “OMG ESS EEE CEEE” and “slow Big Ten” propaganda.
And that, I guess, is just the way we like it, since it doesn’t matter what people THINK of us, it just matters how the team will actually perform, and better the opponents have their guard down.
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 18, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for the spelling correction. My guess is you ARE fairly young....
otherwise you wouldnt go to the extreme of pointing out spelling errors. I don’t know anything about your players by position but the one crucial thing you have that will kill you is at QB. Our team speed and the complexity of our defensive schemes will be too much too soon for a first year quarterback. Our D line is stacked three deep with pure talent as are our linebackers. We averaged over 30 points a game last season and the offense is better than it was last year. It going to be a great game but I think we pull away in the second half.
Complexity of your defensive schemes?
So your completely green but highly ranked defensive prospects will be able to perfectly comprehend and execute incredibly comlex schemes? But our completely green but highly ranked QB prospects won’t be able to figure them out?
You, my friend, are spelunking in speculation cave without a flashlight.
by PSUinBOSSton on Aug 18, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
All DB’s and safety’s have game experience but were not starters. Plus, we have the best secondary coach in the business. There are no green players on defense. My flashlight is working really well.
To suggest we won't even get to your 20 yard line
reeks of arrogance and disresepct. That is what prompted my original comment.
Your “rebuttal” has done nothing but further that perception.
What are you, 12 yrs old?
I never said Penn State wouldnt get to our 20 yrd line. Try reading before you post. I said its going to be a great game but we will pull away late in the game. Is that disrespectfull? My rebuttal is my view. You guys sound more like Auburn fans than the Nittany Lions fans that I have met in years past.
What are you? Not reading entire threads?
It’s the comment that started this whole conversation. Check it out.
by PSUinBOSSton on Aug 18, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate feeding trolls...
but clearly YOU did not read any of my comments.
The 20 yard line comment was made on your blog, I felt like that was very disrespectful and I commented on it here. At no point did I say you were the person that made that comment. Do you see the difference?
My apologies....
I thought that comment was directed at me, to whom you were responding. There are rabid fans for every team and we have a few. Everyone has them. We just seem to have gained a few more after last years performance. That being said, i bet if a poll were taken about which team we would want to renew home and away multiyear games with its PSU. We use to have a great series of games for about a decade.
I think the same would be said on this side of the fence as well
None of our Eastern rivals are really any good anymore, and the only other semi-rival we had was ND (about on par with the Alabama series), but 1) they suck, 2) they’re ND, and 3) they have about 20 other rivalries that are “bigger” than us.
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 20, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess the one thing that needs to be pointed out
is Alabama has had important units returning intact the last two years. In 2008 all but 2 guys on OL and DL returned as starters. In 2009 virtually the entire defense returned. When you have that talent level combined with that experience level, very good things will happen. If you can dominate both trenches or simply one side of the ball top to bottom you will be hard to beat.
The strength of your team—the entire NFL caliber defense—is now being completely rebuilt. Maybe your offense can be dominant and offset this. But that 30 point per game stat was not quite elite (top 25), and the team was 42nd in yards per game. To me that suggest the D was helping the scoring in terms of takeaways and field position, even with the offense struggling at times in the red zone.
6 NFL draft picks with 4 in the first 2 rounds from one defense is bordering on an historic achievement. I can’t argue with your conclusion Alabama pulls away against PSU. But this season as a whole won’t be a cakewalk unless the SEC is even weaker than it was last year (after Bama and UF there wasn’t much else). I think you’re taking some really historic occurrence for granted.
I agree....
and you didnt even speak of our last 6 opponents. We face six in a row after their by-weeks. We will not go undefeated this year.
well I can make the age joke as well
“you must be really old, otherwise you wouldn’t have been so blind to miss that I was correcting your statement to imply that YOU were the delusional one, but since I was already correcting your statement, the speller in me just couldn’t have left the misspelling in there.”
I suppose I could have just left your error in place and used [sic], but you probably would have attacked that as well.
Here’s one other thing you seem to be discounting:
your defense last year was tough. #2 in the nation in scoring defense (11.71 ppg). Guess who was right behind you at #3? Penn State (12.23 ppg).
Which defense is replacing 9 starters?
Your offense last year ranked 22nd in scoring offense (32.07 ppg).
Penn State was 52nd, with 28.85 ppg. Big difference in ranking, not so much in actual scoring.
If you use total yards on offense, PSU actually performed better than Alabama last year, ranked 37th (407 ypg) compared to Alabama’s 42nd (403 ypg). (again, not much difference)
While we do have to replace QB, and will be bringing in for all intents and purposes a freshman (whether true, or the equivalent of a RS in our true soph Newsome), and that will likely give Alabama the edge in this game, where do you see exactly this becoming a blowout (or “It won’t be a close game” to use your words) . This just reeks of homerism and not actually evaluating both teams, and relying on the highly accurate (is that dripping with enough sarcasm? I don’t know) preseason rankings to base your opinion on (or perhaps based on the results of last season, despite Alabama having nearly a completely different team, while PSU isn’t replacing that much).
Either way, I just see numerous flaws in your analysis to be able to come up with any sort of actual prediction. Heck, I could almost use your argument verbatim for a reason why PSU will blow out Alabama, just switching the word “QB” with “entire defense”
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 18, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
It will not be won by one score. In other words, +7 points. No blowout.
Your stats seem close enough for the argument that you make however, we compete against opponents with much more speed than your lions do. It’s, hands down, the toughest conference. So you make your prediction and I have made mine. We will see soon enough. Good luck.
Not so fast
The SEC was down last year. Bama and UF faced no serious threats until they faced each other. There were a few close games, but in a decent conference schedule every contender needs to pull out one or two of those. LSU was miles behind the top two, and ultimately lost to a PSU team that was manhandled by OSU and Iowa in the trenches. I remember a time when no eventual SEC champion could make it to the title game without 1 or 2 losses.
The speed argument is so played out it borders on parody. As Ochocinco says, “child, please!” The SEC has been the best conference in recent years, but it needs to prove that last year was just an aberration, not the beginning of a trend where one or two teams is fast and the rest are slow.
Our first game of the year last year was against #7 VT...
But I guess VT doesnt count. And I guess the entire U.S. sports media is wrong. We played and beat more ranked teams last year than anyone. Thats a fact. Look it up. I’m not saying we are world beaters. I think we will lose one this year. But it won’t be PSU.
I agree that the entire U.S. sports media is wrong
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 20, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree that preseason polls are wrong,
which I’m guessing is what you mean by the entire US sports media. I think Alabama benefited in 2008 by Clemson being so incorrectly highly ranked. I’m not going to argue about VT last year (although I do think they were ranked too high preseason) because y’all won it all anyway and beat many better teams than VT.
For the glory
Ah good ole SEC SPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED
It really helped LSU in the Capital One Bowl. They really showed that we can’t handle any speed whatsoever.
Do you get all your information from the SEC hype machine? Your arguments hold 0 weight, and no quantifiable proof that the SEC is faster than the Big 10.
Ahhhhh...........
Quantifiable truth? How about you look at recruits on ESPN 150. Then go to Scout and look at their top selections. What area in the U.S. are the overwhelming majority of these athelets living? The south east. What schools get the overwhelming majority of these players? The SEC. Short of putting a stop watch on every single player thats the proof. Does the big ten have fast players? Absolutely. But they don’t have the most top to bottom.
Should be a good game. I’m sure Joe Pa’ will get a standing ovation when he enters the stadium. There were some real epic battles with PSU in the eighties. I can’t wait.
again, you are relying on recruiting rankings
which are heavily flawed and biased in and of itself. I will grant that there is some correlation, and that overall they tend to get things right.
Maybe I’m a bit skeptical, though, since it seems that all of PSU’s big players have been lowly regarded recruits, meanwhile it seems that a large proportion of PSU’s mega-recruits tend to underachieve.
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 20, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Well in my game against Bama last night in NCAA 11
I managed to throw the game winning TD (with Newsome no less) to a wide open TE in the waning seconds of the game. Maybe if they didn’t replace 9 guys on D, my guy wouldn’t have been by himself running toward the endzone with a linebacker trailing.
Delusional? maybe
Lazy sports writers have also forgotten that Bama needed 2 blocked FG’s against Tenn @ home & late scores against LSU and Auburn and I still firmly believe w/ McCoy in the MNC game they lose to Texas. If there is more than a 5/6 point spread for this one I’m betting the house on PSU b/c unless they go down there and completely implode it’s going to be a very close game IMO no matter who is at QB.
You don't win a NC without a little luck
They took advantage of their good fortune. You can’t say it cheapens their wins…
it doesn't cheapen their wins
but it underscores that they weren’t THAT dominant in their games, and then they also lost pretty much their entire defense (and what made them so successful to begin with).
I haven’t been nervous about this game yet. I don’t necessarily think we’ll win it, but I don’t think it is so obvious that we’ll lose it. We are also in the advantageous situation that it is win-win for us, because barring a blowout loss, we are at least meeting expectations. If we keep it close, people will consider it a “moral victory” and if we win it, well, then we win it.
Meanwhile Alabama will have that nervousness creeping up on them with every second that ticks by where they aren’t winning by multiple scores.
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 17, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
basically this matchup has all the ingredients for the classic upset
maybe it won’t happen, but I won’t be surprised if it does. Ecstatic? Yes. Surprised? No.
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 17, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Right
Maybe it’s me, but I don’t think any rational person thought they were an incredibly dominant team last year.
you guys did watch the Florida game right?
In fact, most SEC players don't consider their careers complete unless their bus nearly gets overturned in Baton Rouge or someone flings bodily fluid at their coach's wife in Gainesville. - Andy Staples
by Wallacewade04 on Aug 17, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I tried it
and it rocked.
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
Fire KP! He forgot to turn off injuries in dynasty mode. - by Norsktroll on BlazersEdge
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 17, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
They played a great game against Florida
Alabama was very good last year and deserved the NC, but they did struggle a little with two teams they should have handled fairly easily. That’s all I’m saying.
by Kyle_Martin on Aug 18, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Everyone does it
“I mean everyone does have a close win, grind out a victory, and all types, steals a win from Tennessee, steals a win from Auburn, whatever. I mean, I just feel that people need to give Bama a chance.”
Every championship team has a game or two they have to fight out to the end. There are no style points, just wins and loses. Bama’s offense wasn’t great, but that D was so complete that it didn’t matter. Defense wins championships as the pundits like to say. I highly approve of Alabama winning with D. That’s the way it should be even if it isn’t pretty. Folks get seduced by Nintendo 12 offense, but we’ve seen what happens when fl;sashy O meets great D?
by gcdyersb on Aug 18, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yes, but one game does not make a season
you did watch the Tennessee and Auburn games, right?
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 18, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
14 straight games makes you a dominant team
and people keep saying we were “lucky” against Tennessee
HOW?!?
With 3:49 left on the clock we’re up by nine with the ball. We hand it off to sure hands Mark Ingram who fumbles the ball, his ONLY lost fumble of his career. They then score on a defense that hadn’t allowed a touchdown in 11 previous quarters. They then recover an onside kick. They then throw the ball to a receiver who hadn’t caught a ball all day to get in position for the go ahead field goal.
That seems like a lot of BAD luck to me. And we we gutted out the Auburn win in a hostile environment in the meanest rivalry in college football.
In fact, most SEC players don't consider their careers complete unless their bus nearly gets overturned in Baton Rouge or someone flings bodily fluid at their coach's wife in Gainesville. - Andy Staples
by Wallacewade04 on Aug 18, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he means the fact that, had you not blocked the field goal at the end,
you would have lost to Tennessee. That came right down to the wire. Alabama also didn’t score a touchdown that whole game, so I don’t think you can refer to that as a dominating performance. Every team has lucky breaks or unlucky breaks. I would imagine that blocked kicks are a small percentage of all field goals (someone probably has that stat somewhere), so the fact that you blocked it in crunch time was a bit of luck.
For the glory
indeed
nothing y’all are saying is off the crazy
hell
I’m arguing about the quality of my national championship team
a true sign of off season insanity
In fact, most SEC players don't consider their careers complete unless their bus nearly gets overturned in Baton Rouge or someone flings bodily fluid at their coach's wife in Gainesville. - Andy Staples
by Wallacewade04 on Aug 18, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I think a "moral victory" would be a reasonable expectation for you guys.
"Sympathy has expired Longhorns" WallaceWade04
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"We should have known" Pete Carroll
by The Voice of Reason on Aug 18, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you should let us decide what reasonable expectations are
Because really, no outsider knows enough to tell us what we should expect from our team.
it is the expectation
just as an actual victory should be your expectation.
Similarly, a victory would be an unexpected bonus for us, yet somehow you guys feel entitled to a blowout.
This is how I would rank things in terms of likelihood:
Bama close victory 45% of the time
PSU close victory 30% of the time
Bama blowout win 15%
PSU blowout win 10%
The style of play of the 2 teams is just not conducive to a blowout victory. That would mean you’d be putting up a ton of points against our defense, which I just don’t see happening.
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 18, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
said Clemson, said Virginia Tech
not to mock, but we’ve come into the season with question marks both years and doubter of our rosters and we still came out the gates swinging on the way to an undefeated season
this year we’re not going to win because we don’t have a defense
last year we’re not going to win because we don’t have an offense
before that we didn’t have a team at all
as for all that talk of luck and what if – we’re 24-2 the past two years
that’s dominant enough for me
In fact, most SEC players don't consider their careers complete unless their bus nearly gets overturned in Baton Rouge or someone flings bodily fluid at their coach's wife in Gainesville. - Andy Staples
by Wallacewade04 on Aug 17, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
All true.
But all completely devoid of empirical evidence.
The issue is the lack of proven starters on defense. It’s the same issue we have at QB. I could point to our previous QB and the number of stars the contenders had coming out of HS, but would you take that and say PSU is going to be stellar at QB? You wouldn’t. And in EXACTLY the same fashion you make that argument and expect us to what? Accept it? Sorry, you might have just as good a defense and blow us out, but until we see the defense play we will be skeptical of just how good they are.
by PSUinBOSSton on Aug 17, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't call the results of a pre season scrimmage empirical evidence
you can’t really prove anything about a team based on 1 practice game
you can throw out some skepticisms, sure – hell that’s all the preseason really is
but what has been proven is this coaching staffs ability to replace starters and get young talent to mature quickly – bringing in new starters and bringing in straight outta high school athletes is something we’ve done well the past two years – past success in similar situations is in my opinion reliable evidence – it’s not as reliable as a stat sheet but it is something
In fact, most SEC players don't consider their careers complete unless their bus nearly gets overturned in Baton Rouge or someone flings bodily fluid at their coach's wife in Gainesville. - Andy Staples
by Wallacewade04 on Aug 17, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
That's the point though.
You can’t prove anything based on 1 practice. But it is noteworthy. Not as noteworthy as the total lack of experience, but noteworthy. The past success in similar situations is also noteworthy. But none of it is conclusive. So, like I said, we are just as correct in being skeptical that it will be an all world defense by the second game of the season.
The most important piece of that information for me is that there is loads of inexperience, which means any real outcome is possible. Could be a great D, could be porous.
by PSUinBOSSton on Aug 17, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
Joe Paterno has a history of winning games too.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Aug 17, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Indeed
like I told the guys – pictures of Saban and Paterno together in BDS will be framed
In fact, most SEC players don't consider their careers complete unless their bus nearly gets overturned in Baton Rouge or someone flings bodily fluid at their coach's wife in Gainesville. - Andy Staples
by Wallacewade04 on Aug 17, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's be realistic, though
2010: 10 returning starters, 8 O, 2 D (from Phil Steele)
2009: 13 returning starters, 4 O, 9 D (from nationalchamps.net)
2008: 14 returning starters, 8 O, 6 D (from nationalchamps.net)
This season for Alabama will be the most challenging of the last several since essentially an entire unit is being rebyuilt. Even last year on offense, at least two of the returnees were on the OL. In 2008, only one lineman on each side of the ball needed to be replaced. Returning linemen is a big metric for judging success, and in 2008 folks predicting against Bama would have been idiotic. Last year the D was stacked, so stacked in fact it comfortably offset some offensive growing pains.
I fully expect Alabama to beat PSU in a comprehensive fashion, though the score differential may not be large. But you should be more concerned about that D situation than you have been about anything in the last few years. That will probably cost you a few losses along the way. PSU won’t have the QB to exploit the inexperience by virtue of his own inexperience, though.
well
the mantra you gotta have if your a Bama fan right now is
/beats bongo drum
rivals stars – eww eee ooo
rivals stars – eww eee ooo
rivals stars – eww eee ooo
/slices chicken’s throat
that and you gotta hope that crazy website is right about the guys we recruited
In fact, most SEC players don't consider their careers complete unless their bus nearly gets overturned in Baton Rouge or someone flings bodily fluid at their coach's wife in Gainesville. - Andy Staples
by Wallacewade04 on Aug 17, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
You could say that about the last few seasons
Bama has been kicking butt recruiting, no question. 2008 (average 3.7*) and 2009 (3.7*), big time. But 2006 (3.6*) and 2007 (3.3*), both top 10 caliber classes, were nothing to sneeze at, either. Most of your key players last year were 2006 and 2007 guys, I think, unless some 2005s (less good but still large class) managed to be 5th year RS seniors.
Mostly you’re trading down from guys with experience to guys without experience, but with maybe a slightly higher potential. It’s a good position overall to be in. But not gonna be a cakewalk in the SEC or any non-Big East BCS conference really. If Bama can run the table with an all-new D, that’ll be a sure sign the SEC is not as strong top to bottom as it has been recently. Even last year it was essentially a two horse race.
That's good stuff.
Can I borrow it for our QBs?
by PSUinBOSSton on Aug 18, 2010 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
you'll need a new chicken...
In fact, most SEC players don't consider their careers complete unless their bus nearly gets overturned in Baton Rouge or someone flings bodily fluid at their coach's wife in Gainesville. - Andy Staples
by Wallacewade04 on Aug 18, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Is there something wrong with yours?
Mom told me he would be ok after a trip to the vet.
by PSUinBOSSton on Aug 18, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
you guys are actually 26-2 the past 2 years
and PSU is 22-4. Those numbers aren’t that different to warrant concluding this will be a blowout.
OSU was 23-3 in 2006-2007
USC was 22-4 over the same stretch
USC throttled OSU 35-3 in week 2.
Alternatively, Alabama was 13-13 in 2006-2007. They then went on to go 12-0 in the regular season in 2008.
While past success is one of the biggest indicators, it is not the end all be all predictor.
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 18, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Correct me if I'm wrong but....
Did Colt McCoy play defense too? I dont believe so. They were suppose to be the #1 ranked defense against the run. Were they? Not even close. So you think they would have won based on Colt playing in 6 plays of the first quarter? Boy, thats a stretch.
I never trusted Texas' rush defense ranking
The best rushing offense they faced: #22 Oklahoma St (187.77 ypg)
The next best: 30th TAMU (184 ypg)
3rd: UTEP (57: 151)
4th: Nebraska (62: 147)
Not hard to be good against the run when you go against crappy running teams.
Still, Texas’ defense was good, but Alabama probably would have won even if Colt did play, at least in that game on that night. Maybe they were deflated after the Colt injury, but Texas didn’t look very good in that game.
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 18, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed....
They did shut down our passing game most of the game. I will give them that. I was nervous for that one. We were so pumped playing Florida I was afraid we would be down a bit mentaly for Texas. Our first quarter was pretty shakey on both sides of the ball.
Hey, you know
Saban kinda looks like an Elk in that picture. Just sayin.
Until our defense proves otherwise, it should be presumed they will be excellent.
just peeped your doghouse
pretty cool.
Until our defense proves otherwise, it should be presumed they will be excellent.
So you're saying we should hire him?
Ok.
"The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here"
by ReadingRambler on Aug 17, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Spartan fans would scream.
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
Fire KP! He forgot to turn off injuries in dynasty mode. - by Norsktroll on BlazersEdge
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 17, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
So
is this the thread where we do exactly what we complain about every other fanbase doing to us this off-season? That is, extrapolate that Alabama isn’t very good because of the performance of one of their units in a practice session? I’ll continue to keep my enthusiasm in check until game week.
:debbie downer:
Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.
no one said Alabama isn't very good
just stating that they think PSU has a fair chance. Why root for someone that you don’t think will win. I have had years and years of disappointment being a Bengals fan but I never sit around and figure out why they will lose, just figure out ways they could win. Of course I am a fairly happy person too.
to be fair
I’ve thought this about Alabama’s defense even before this report. The report just lends evidence to support my hypothesis: a team that won a national championship on the back of its defense (whilst having a very good running game), especially the interior linemen, will not be able to blow out another team (which is historically very good at stopping the run, including many Heisman Trophy winning RBs) after losing nearly that entire same defense.
Maybe their defense will be awesome by the time the game comes along, but maybe our offense will come along just as much. I mean really, we just need basically one player (of which we have 4 options) to be not terrible, and we have a pretty solid all around team.
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 17, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I think banana peel’s cousin, plantain peel, is starting
Joe Paterno - Not Unlike Hugh Hefner
by letsgopsu on Aug 17, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
3 returning starters I think.
Junior William Vlachos at center, first-team Freshman All-America 2009 guard Barrett Jones, and tackle Senior James Carpenter.
They lost All-American first-team guard Mike Johnson and tackle Drew Davis (28 consecutive starts at right tackle)
using this article as referance
One of the things it’s important to recognize is that Alabama had ridiculous consistency in its offensive line last year. And when I say “ridiculous” — all five starters were the same from the first day of the season to the last. William Vlachos started every game at center, the guards were always Barrett Jones and Mike Johnson, and your tackles were Drew Davis and James Carpenter. The upside of that is that Alabama returns 60 percent of its offensive line starts in the form of Vlachos, Jones and Carpenter. The downside is that the Tide loses 40 percent of its offensive line starts in the form of Johnson and Davis. (Not to mention their combined 69 career starts.)
Whatever.
We have Joe Paterno, so we should have a chance.
"The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here"
by ReadingRambler on Aug 17, 2010 8:34 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
amen brother plus one
"I love it when a plan comes together!" Colonel John "Hannibal" Smith
by psu in the w-b on Aug 17, 2010 10:39 PM EDT reply actions
oh no reply fail
"I love it when a plan comes together!" Colonel John "Hannibal" Smith
by psu in the w-b on Aug 17, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Sh!t my coach doesn't say
We didn’t have the eye of the tiger
What, did Ron Zook take over Alabama in the offseason?
Probably Not
But I do think that we would be getting a little bit more respect than we are now
by Bob Sacamano on Aug 18, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions

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