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Quarterbacking Case....The Freshmen

Final installment of a three part series reviewing the four potential candidates for the quarterback position.

Part One
Part Two

Making the Case For….

Paul Jones
#10
True Freshman
6’3" 246lbs

Robert Bolden
#1
True Freshman
6’4" 208lbs

The hot topic for the summer will be if Joe Paterno will let his team be led be a true freshman.  In recent memory, the only two true freshman quarterbacks to start at Penn State were Wally Richardson and Tony Sacca (both due to  injuries).  Zack Mills was a redshirt freshman and even had to wait a few games before JoePa and company got tired of Matt Seneca making Beaver Stadium his own personal Waste Management site.

It's been a tail of two seasons for the freshmen.  Paul Jones enrolled in January and got a chance to participate in Spring drills and the Spring Game.  From all reports, Jones was the most impressive QB in the game throwing for two TDs.  Fans were pumped up,  hoping the freshman would eventually become the starter in the fall.

During the Spring of 2010, Robert Bolden was still in high school waiting to get on campus (with his head in the Penn State playbook).  Since he has been on campus, Bolden has been every bit as impressive as Jones was during the spring, capping off his big week by throwing a 50 yard TD pass against the first team defense in last weeks scrimmage.

The question remains:  Will Joe Paterno start a true freshman?

Star-divide

Experience

Zero.  None.  Zilch. Nada.

At this point in the game, no one cares that you were a 4 star recruit or an Army All-American.  High school is over and your stats are erased.  There have been plenty of instances were high school All-Americans do not translate that status to the college game (Brock Berlin at Florida/Miami,  Ryan Perrilloux at LSU, Marcus Vick at Virgina Tech, Tommy Grady at Oklahoma/Utah, Xavier Lee at Florida State, Pat Bostick at Pitt).  In many cases, HS All-Americans fail to develop into Superstars at the next level.  For every Tim Tebow and Sam Bradford there is a Zac Wasserman and a Jared Hostetler WVU/Bloomsburg (a QB recruit from 2000, Nephew of former Penn State QB Jeff Hostetler).

If Bolden wins the job

It will be in week 4 vs. Temple.  Bolden is performing at a high level and according to our source with knowledge of the competition, is set to take the starting job early in the season from Matt McGloin.  If that happens, Jones will take a redshirt this season and create some separation between himself and Bolden.  Bolden by all accounts has the mental capacity (to understand the playbook), arm, and legs to get the job done. 

Joe has always been loyal to his older players and occasionally to a fault.  Paterno gave Sennca every opportunity to keep his starting job and finally  turned to the freshman Mills.  Daryll Clark was never given the opportunity to unseat Anthony Morelli.  This time around, the competition is just that: a competition.  The players are out competing every day and the best player will get the job (eventually).

The offense, at least for this season will continue to be run heavy.  They will put Bolden in situations where he can make some plays, but the playbook will be limited until he grasps the offense.

If Jones wins the job

Bolden takes a redshirt, and McGloin and Newsome sit at 2 and 3.  At the end of the season, it would seem only fitting that Newsome either switch positions (safety, CB, WR) or transfer.  McGloin could also potentially seek a transfer after getting a taste of the starting job.  Like Bolden, if Jones does land the job, it won't be Week 1. 

Evan Royster will still be the feature back and still rush for over 1,200 yards.  Jay Paterno and company will utilize Jones' superior arm strength to take shots down the field with Derrick Moye and Devon Smith.

Domino Effect

Our current QB situation has been created due to the departure of Pat Devlin.  If Devlin stayed, Newsome would not be on the roster, Jones or Bolden might be here (but not both), and Matt McGloin would be relegated to Paul Cianciolo status (veteran player that JoePa will mention during the spring and summer yet have no real shot of ever becoming the starting QB at Penn State).  We would have a 5th year senior at quarterback and potentially be in the hunt for a national championship (if the offensive line comes together).

Newsome will need to find another position or a new home.  If he wants to be a starting QB, he will need to do it at another school.  McGloin would also have to weigh his options.  The freshman that is not named the QB is the wild card.  If they want to wait, take a redshirt and get one year as the starter in 2014...that's an option.  However, it is an option not many people would be willing to take.

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Is this part of the conditional statement?
Bolden is performing at a high level and according to our source with knowledge of the competition, is set to take the starting job early in the season from Matt McGloin.

I don’t get it – so McGloin is in, and Bolden’s just behind?

by BurrowesBldg on Aug 18, 2010 12:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I think the implication is that the veteran gets the first opportunity

Bolden hasn’t had enough time in the system to start the season, another month of games and practice may get the coaches to a tolerable level of comfort.

Deciphering Paterno speak, I don’t think he mispoke saying Newsome was essentially a freshman. I believe he was implying that Newsome has not progressed as much as he would like and has not separated from Jones and Boldin. I expect we’re in for a frustating and exciting season watching this battle play out.

by Frank O'Brien on Aug 18, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also don't think it is because anyone has been bad.

I don’t think Newsome has been bad in practice, he just hasn’t distinguished himself against the others. I really think Jones and Bolden have stepped up in a huge way and learned a lot, much faster than the coaching staff thought they would. Jay’s little video quizes over the summer must have really helped the players on reads and the playbook.

by BMAN13 on Aug 18, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats how I see it

Give Bolden 2 games of practices to get better. Come home 2-0 and give him 2 to get ready for B10.

Penn State isn't just football, it's life.
@Ben_Jones88

by Ben Jones on Aug 18, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I attempted to decipher this qute myself

In this fanpost. As I said there, I think Joe was just saying that Newsome won’t get any seniority consideration in this race.

by newenglandnittanylion on Aug 18, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

that was how I interpreted too.

nothing to do with ability, just that no one had enough experience to eliminate true freshmen from the equation

by BMAN13 on Aug 18, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see another QB Battle happening......

Whoever loses the battle going for the starting QB spot against “I haven’t earned my winged helmet” Tate Forcier after they both transfer to Delaware

Let's Go State!

by MGPardoePSU on Aug 18, 2010 1:25 PM EDT reply actions  

might have to throw Bostick in that mix too!

Tate will go west, and hang out with his brah.

by BMAN13 on Aug 18, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

an epic winged helmet showdown

Delaware Stadium is only about 25 minutes from me.

Tate would get a change to “Earn back his wings”

Let's Go State!

by MGPardoePSU on Aug 18, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

what's this with the wings

I don’t get it… Tate’s helmet is different from everyone else’s? Really?

McGloin Despite Them

Preaching the McGospel since Aug. 2nd, 2010

by millzners on Aug 18, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Supposedly the report from Michigan is that Tater Tot is practicing with a solid blue helmet

and not the traditional Winged Helmet we’ve grown to hate. Most of the articles I’ve been reading had stated it is something handed down from the senior leadership on the team that each person must “earn their wings” and they apparently don’t feel like Tater did his part in the offseason “voluntary” workouts.

Let's Go State!

by MGPardoePSU on Aug 18, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really? That's hilarious.

I had heard that some of the seniors weren’t pleased with Forcier missing some work out sessions, and maybe acting a bit like he was entitled to the starting spot, but I had no idea they actually symbolically shunned him with that god forsaken helmet.

I hate to say anything positive about Michigan (it hurts), but: Bravo senior leadership wolverines for delivering a symbolic bitch slap to Tater Tot.

by dawsonPSU10 on Aug 18, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Switching subjects

So you are involved with the new Doghouse blog?

"Until somebody knocks you on your rear end, and pardon me ladies, but unless somebody knocks you on your rear end, you're never going to learn." - Joe Paterno

by Illegal Formation on Aug 18, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. Me and a couple of friends have started it.

We realized the 500 word e-mails that we’ve fired back to one another for years might—with some effort—make for a half-decent blog.

By the way, I must say that the site isn’t formed out of any malice towards BSD. I like this place and I have zero desire to re-create what already occurs here so well.

The positive responses I’ve received here from fanposts over the past year has done a lot to inspire me to try this with these guys (who don’t regularly post on BSD).

Bloggin' at joepasdoghouse.com

by Cairo on Aug 18, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cool beans. I’ll RSS it.

"Until somebody knocks you on your rear end, and pardon me ladies, but unless somebody knocks you on your rear end, you're never going to learn." - Joe Paterno

by Illegal Formation on Aug 18, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll make sure I check it out, but

Does this mean we have to go somewhere else for HATE week posts?

For the glory

by Paige2PSU on Aug 18, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

WTH?

Why does everyone who starts up a PSU blog these days have to say, “This is in no way anything against BSD.”

I feel like everyone is walking on egg shells around me. It’s not my mission to smash every PSU blog out there. I think the internet needs more PSU blogs. I’m glad to see some popping up.

by BSD on Aug 18, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is in no way anything against BSD

but I am not starting a PSU blog.

I respect BSD and find it inspiring, but if I started a blog I would forget about it after 1 week because I am fickle.

by PSUinBOSSton on Aug 18, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mikey, take it as a compliment

You are the Gold Standard for these blogs and comparisons to BSD are inevitable.

by Frank O'Brien on Aug 18, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nobody wants to upset the Godfather...

You get a severed horse head under your sheets for starting another PSU blog

by jrock4 on Aug 18, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you know who I am? I'm Moe Greene!

I made my bones when you were going out with cheerleaders!

Bloggin' at joepasdoghouse.com

by Cairo on Aug 18, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I started a blog

and I did it because I hate BSD. #sarcasm

Penn State isn't just football, it's life.
@Ben_Jones88

by Ben Jones on Aug 18, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I started one because ESPN banned me

But that was several years ago. And now it’s just turned into a giant message board that I can’t even control on most days where the inmates run the asylum.

by buk110 on Aug 18, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too often there is this idea of a "rival blog site"

I just wanted to dispel this.

Bloggin' at joepasdoghouse.com

by Cairo on Aug 18, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't worry, I got your back, Mike

I’ve already initiated some denial of service attacks, and have sent some henchmen to burn down their servers the old fashioned way.

by The JuggerNitt on Aug 18, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

One Blog to rule them all, One Blog to find them,
One Blog to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
In the Land of Happy Valley where the Joepa lies.

Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils

by psu on Aug 18, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

LOL!

pssst…hey, guys, lets not make Mike angry. he’s really a nice guy.

A bit lonely at the top, isn’t it?

"Life is no way to treat an animal"

by Mr. Rosewater on Aug 18, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cairo I'm really happy for you

and Ima let you finish. But Mike had one of the best blogs of all time. one of the best blogs of all time.

/Kanye West’d

Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face

by psupride on Aug 19, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

The uniform is a little difference now

The helmets are no longer the exact same colors as Michigan. Now it’s a Royal Blue and the uniform itself is much different from what you would typically see at Michigan now. If I actually new how to post pictures on here, I would.

Let's Go State!

by MGPardoePSU on Aug 18, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Jones or Bolden wins

I’d imagine the other guy transfers, because once you’re the starter you have to be REALLY bad to lose your spot.

I can see Bolden winning and Jones going somewhere else or vice-versa. QB is one spot where it’s hard to see the field if you’re not the #1. RBs can split carries, WRs can go 3/4/5 wide, you can have two TEs, but you only have one guy coming off that bus first.

Let’s just hope Joe lets the best player play and not hold on to any weird notions where he doesn’t know QBs exist, or gives every shot in the world for the older player to keep the job.

by buk110 on Aug 18, 2010 1:27 PM EDT reply actions  

How many QB transfers have been successful?

Offhand, I can think of Aikman, obviously pretty good, Mallet seems to be doing well in Ark and Dan White did well at Arizona after leaving PSU in the early nineties but there has to be a lot of guys like Mitch Mustain and Josh David Booty that see their NFL dreams die.

Oh yeah, that Flacco kid and Jeff Hostettler made out OK. It appears the odds of succeeding post-transfer aren’t insurmountable.

by Frank O'Brien on Aug 18, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm, it's an intereting question

I don’t know Newsome personally, but he seems like a humble guy. I also don’t know if he’s dead set on only playing QB for the rest of his life without question like Pryor. I mean I’d be kind of crushed if I had his talent, was recruited as a QB, then asked to switch positions, but this is the only way I see all three recruited QBs staying, which is still probably not all likely. Unlike Clark (and this is no bash on Clark), Newsome, to me anyway, is the only one of the 4 potential QBs who could pull off the MRob pre-2005 role and play multiple positions (WR, RB, QB, etc.).

I guess my problem is I’m too big of a puss and would hate to piss one of them off and lose them to a transfer (even if they aren’t the starting QB). They all seem like great guys, great athletes, and fantastic competitors. It’s been said before, this competition is nothing but a great situation to have for the team, but on the other hand it may force one of them to transfer, which I hate, but is a likely reality. My only comfort is that they knew the situation they were entering (at least Jones/Bolden did) when they came here, and weren’t afraid to compete, even though they could have gone to another school and played. I hate being so sensitive about this, it’s really kind of pathetic.

by dawsonPSU10 on Aug 18, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

A freshman doesn't necessarily have to transfer to play two years for us

there is the possibility one of them starts for three years and leaves after junior year, where other QB can be at the helm from 2013-2014. Not like a PSU to be that good to leave early, but I dont think its a ridiculous idea, particularly if Bolden/Jones are as good as they seem.

by swiggy04 on Aug 18, 2010 1:34 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah I understand but

If you are a blue chip QB do you wait around, burn your redshirt year on the hopes that the guy who beat you out decides to leave a year early?

Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face

by psupride on Aug 18, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea but where are you going to transfer

where you are going to play enough to not have to wait around until your 5th year to get drafted anyway? He goes to a BCS school and sits behind someone else and burns his RS anyway. he goes to a FCS school and has to pretty much play till hes a senior to get drafted anyway.

I agree with your point that these kids jump the gun and leave too early because they all want to be in the NFL and get paid, but the truth is, its no faster or really better to transfer because you wont get in until you’re a junior or senior.

by swiggy04 on Aug 18, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think if Bolden becomes the starter at any point this year, it will violate everything we know about Joe Paterno and his old way of doing things at Penn State. It will signal that Joe’s given in completely to starting the best players, not just the most veteran players — something that we saw a big step forward with in 2005.

I will forever hold it against Joe, Jay, and whoever else helped make the decision to keep Clark off the field in 2007. It was bad judgment, stubbornness, and it hurt Penn State football even into the next year. Clark should have played, even if in limited capacity, especially against Michigan. We could have beat Carr in his house in his final season. I will never forget the feeling of watching that team pucker against Michigan while the one guy that would have won us the game was forced to hold the clipboard because of some ignorant decision made before the game even started.

What I mean to say, is that I hope the best QB is the one starting. I know I’ve made a mountain out of the McGloin molehill for my own amusement, but honestly just don’t repeat 2007.

McGloin Despite Them

Preaching the McGospel since Aug. 2nd, 2010

by millzners on Aug 18, 2010 1:51 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

" some ignorant decision" that's a bit harsh

Paterno’s admitted this was probably a bad decision but I wouldn’t call it ignorant. I think the coaches make the personnel decisions on a number of factors including maturity as well as athletic and play making ability. This isn’t an exact science.

by Frank O'Brien on Aug 18, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't say ignorance

Ignorance is not knowing any better , it was pure arrogance on Joe’s part that year. Prearranged agreements with Morelli and his father and the fear of upsetting a player cost the team big time that year.

When you bring in a player to call a play and move to WR all to spare his feelings you know your coach is being a bit foolish.

by buk110 on Aug 18, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are the reports of Bolden being otherworldly premature?

The report from yesterday’s practice said he was quite bad. Have we taken one or two workouts in which he maybe benefitted from lowered expectations as the latest arrival and blown them out of proportion?

Also, my favorite part about this article was introducing the idea that McGroin will transfer. HAHA. I love it, we never even thought it possible. What about all his quotes on his confidence that he can start? If he’s passed over will he demand release from his schollie? If so will Millzners hang himself?

by PSUinBOSSton on Aug 18, 2010 2:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Tough to say

I think people are impressed with what they see in Bolden, but I would bet he hasn’t been asked to do much. He’s only been on campus a month or so, so I bet the coaches gave him a basic package of three formations and 15 total plays and told him to learn them really well. He may look like the best QB in running those plays, but the coaches have to ask themselves if the offense will be too predictable with just 15 plays, or if they would be better served letting McGloin or Newsome play while using the entire playbook.

by BSD on Aug 18, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

can't be any worse

Than when we ran that bubble screen multiple times a game to no avail. And then bringing in “Brent Brackett” on running plays because he could run-block.

by buk110 on Aug 18, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't even think of that aspect.

So people may have expected less since he came in later, and he may have had less to prepare.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m thrilled that he worked harded than expected in HS to learn the playbook. I also hope the reports of his ability are understanded. I am just concerned that the mentality of the mob has become Bolden or Bust. I would hate to see some MR12 struggles early (9 for 15, 90 yards passing and an int against USF) for a guy like Newsome, and hear the screams for Bolden even though Newsome could turn out to be great with some experience (Newsome as an example, not as in I personally demand Huey Lewis and K News).

by PSUinBOSSton on Aug 18, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm 100% with you on this, and Mike makes a great point.

I equate this, although with slightly different circumstances to the BW game. After that game, everyone wanted Jones to be the starter because he threw 2 TDs (only TDs of the game) against the career bench squad. This isn’t to diminish Bolden’s work at all. He’s clearly worked his ass off to be able to throw his name into the hat because he knew he was going to be the least experienced, and with the first team O vs. 1st team D to boot. I just worry that people are jumping to irrational conclusions based on fragments we get off of reporters observing practices. Sort of drawing on what Mike said, everyone’s on the Bolden train now because he’s looked good in practice, but the kid has yet to take a snap against a D1 team, and most importantly a hostile D1 defense (not that our own defense is slacking off against the 1st team O)

by dawsonPSU10 on Aug 18, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Camp stories

We’ve all heard them. My favorite remains Rashard Casey is like Randall Cunningham but with a stronger arm.

Is it really a foregone conclusion that McGloin is the starter?

by InScoresOfOtherGames on Aug 18, 2010 2:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Most likely

Joe believes defense/special teams win games and championships. He’s going to go with the guy that knows the playbook and has been in the system the longest that can do three things this year.

1. Hand off the ball to Royster/Green/Redd
2. Go play action every once in a while so the running can continue.
3. Don’t eff up when you’re throwing the ball.

Newsome was holding that ball like a loaf of bread last year. If they can tell McGloin he’s not Brett Favre and to just play smart and within the system, Joe will start him. It would take some of the worst QBing this century to get him removed.

by buk110 on Aug 18, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can he accomplish #3 though?

You brush it aside by saying, “if they can tell McGloin” etc.

Why can’t they tell Newsome to hold onto the ball then?

by PSUinBOSSton on Aug 18, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I have no clue

I don’t know what’s going to happen 5 minutes from now let alone 3 weeks from now.

I said Morelli would be great if he had something inside his though locker and I was way off. So who knows. Whatever the case this will be a run heavy offense and whoever makes the fewest mistakes in practice gets the nod.

by buk110 on Aug 18, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry,

you were suggesting why people would assume ham sandwich would start. I missed that.

by PSUinBOSSton on Aug 18, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can forgive a few interceptions but fumbling untouched in the backfield is just backbreaking.

McGloin Despite Them

Preaching the McGospel since Aug. 2nd, 2010

by millzners on Aug 18, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorta depends on the interception, too

rifling it right at a defender with no WRs around is about as bad. Also, throwing into triple coverage is bad.

On the other hand, sometimes the DBs just make the right play, or the ball is deflected, or…and so on.

by The JuggerNitt on Aug 18, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

McGloin - Please Make it Stop

I don’t know where this McGloin love started or why it started, but it is going a bit overboard. Lets face it, the kid was more “experienced” than Newsome last year and yet Newsome still was way ahead of him in terms of getting on the field. McGloin has absolutely nothing to offer that Newsome doesn’t already bring to the field. I think the assumption that McGloin is somehow going to provide a safer option than the other QBs is highly questionable. I said it yesterday…the dude isn’t even tall enough to see over the line nor is he quick enough to roll out and find a roomier passing lane.

If the starter this year isn’t going to be Newsome, it is not going to be McGloin, either.

by Rocky Mountain Nittany Lion on Aug 18, 2010 3:18 PM EDT reply actions  

the dude isn’t even tall enough to see over the line

The dude is 2" shorter then ZOMG 5 star Jones. 2 inches isn’t the difference between “NFL talent” and “not tall enough to see over the line” You make it sound like he’s 5’6". And he is fast enough to roll out, hell Morelli was fast enough to roll out of the pocket and he ran like he had wooden peg legs.

I don’t know why you’re so down on the guy, it seems to me you feel like there’s no way someone who didn’t originally get a scholarship offer could be good enough to start for Penn State. To that I think you need to consider Butler, Hull, and Zug. Maybe you just feel like we need a fast mobile QB to run this offense, but to that I think you need to consider Clark’s play from last year. Maybe you just hate the Irish, but so does Joe and he’ll be starting one at QB soon… If he can get over it surely you can too.

McGloin Despite Them

Preaching the McGospel since Aug. 2nd, 2010

by millzners on Aug 18, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

QB is way different from those spots

its not difficult to walk on as a WR or LB. (not saying its easy either). all you really need is speed and hands. Count on your hand how many walk ons have ever led any college to anything at QB. That position is way too stressful, requires too much decision making, too much intelligence, too much accuracy. Your job is direct the offense, know the whole playbook, your e the only one who touches the ball on every offensive snap.

Colleges scouted McGloin and not one thought he had the ability to handle that at this level. Theres something to that. Clark was underrated coming out of HS but he was rated at least. he had offers. McGloin didnt. That says alot to me

by swiggy04 on Aug 18, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

What were they looking for though?

Sure McGloin wasn’t given any offers, but in this day most schools are looking for the “spread offense” type QB from one of the big-time high schools. McGloin came from West Scranton, PA. .. not known as a hotbed of QB talent (although Shrive is from there too and maybe he’ll be worthwhile next year). I’ve built up a lot more respect for Jay Pa over the past few years as I learn more about him. If he believes in McGloin I’ll probably give him the benefit of the doubt. Plus, from all earlier reports everyone always said McGloin could throw the ball but was knicknamed “Brett” because of his decision making. Suddenly everyone is talking like he has a limp-wristed throwing style. Did I miss something where he only can throw 5 yards?

by RWReese on Aug 18, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I find it hard to believe

That all fbs schools in this country are only after spread qbs. Every major college watched that kid play in hs for two years while they were recruiting shrive. Not one offer or even one walk on except Penn state. If jay was so convinced he was a great qb why not offer him a scholarship right away?

I think they had him walk on for depth, and that’s what he is. He’s a third stringer at best. We’ve seen Chris ganter and cianciolo play before. It wasn’t pretty. You don’t think Ohio state had a walk on with more experience than pryor two years ago? Did they start him? No because talent trumps experience every day of the week. Otherwise vinny testeverde would still be a pro bowler.

by swiggy04 on Aug 19, 2010 12:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Cianciolo did not play poorly when he got his chance.

TD for Syrcause and he threw a nice screen pass TD to Tony Hunt when Morelli and Clark both got knocked out of the Michigan game.

Blue and White

by QBsneak12 on Aug 19, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't Clark throw that screen pass?

Either way, it was a fine screen, but not some amazing throw.

by PSUinBOSSton on Aug 19, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was Cianciolo, I know because after Clark got knocked out I got up and walked out. I watched the Tony Hunt TD from the parking lot on the score board replay. It was an ugly night for me.

McGloin Despite Them

Preaching the McGospel since Aug. 2nd, 2010

by millzners on Aug 19, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

yikes

I was out a house with 5 guys I went to law school with, all of whom went to M undergrad.

by PSUinBOSSton on Aug 19, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

He threw a td against syracuse

And if we played Syracuse twelve games this year maybe I’d be comfortable with mcgloin. But I can’t see a guy who hardly tore up nepa high school defenses to all of a sudden be the guy best equipped to lead us to a decent season. Can’t see it. He may look nice against Youngstown or Kent state or maybe even northwestern but I can’t say I’m confident with him against Osu Michigan Iowa bama. He didn’t even look good against the blue squad.

by swiggy04 on Aug 19, 2010 3:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

McGloin

is going to guide the team to a 3-1 start. He will split time with Bolden that entire time. Once we finish up with Temple and if Bolden has done enough to earn the trust of coaches/teammates…it will be his gig for the next 4 years.

Alabama still has to run on our defense. I don’t know why everyone thinks we will get blown out. Bama’s QB is not some world beater. He has proven he can make mistakes…we just need to make them pay when he does.

Blue and White

by QBsneak12 on Aug 19, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you expect me to believe we'd go 2-2 with Newsome or Bolden?

If McGloin cant handle the B10 schedule, why start him those first 4 games at all? Id personally rather have Bolden or Newsome start those games and get the reps and experience (especially if they are going to play the last 8 games anyway). What good does putting McGloin in against Youngstown and Kent State do? Let Bolden get reps and make mistakes against those teams, where we know we can overcome them. Thats what they are there for.

And for the record I do NOT in any way think, and i dont know how you translated from waht i said, that Bama will destroy us, Im actually part of the delusional fan base that thinks we may win. But I think with McLovin we have a better chance of being blown out then with someone else.

by swiggy04 on Aug 19, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

6000 yrds and 58 TDs in his career in NEPa

How much more do you need to “tear it up”?

by BMAN13 on Aug 19, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those numbers are quite nice

and youre right in NEPA that is probably considered tearing it up. My point is he hardly set any records or led his team to many, if any, state wins. I just have a hard time understanding where this love comes from. Even people in Scranton figured he was only offered a walk on to PSU to help convince Shrive to choose Happy Valley.

I dunno I just keep going back to the fact that not only was he unrated out of HS but he had no offers from any DI program. I mean Pitt uses drop back QBs, Boston College, Rutgers, Syracuse. They all saw him play, they all had those very same career stats that you threw at me (was he a 4 year start, cause thats not that great if you break it down over 4 years) and they all passed on him. Hed be a very fine QB at Bucknell or Lafayette or Colgate (maybe even Syracuse) I’m sure, but I just cant see how a guy that may not even be starting this year at one of those programs is supposed to all of a sudden beat Ohio State or Alabama or Iowa. It just doesnt make sense.

by swiggy04 on Aug 19, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

he only camped at Pitt.

BC offered a walk on, but yeah, I get where you are coming from. He has grown a bit since he showed up, at least he looks taller. He was pretty short coming out of high school. I think he has worked extremely hard to become a good player too. I don’t think the ceiling gets much higher for him but to start the beginning of the year while someone else gets a better grasp of the playbook and audibles, I don’t have a problem with that until he or someone really stinks it up and it is their fault (you can stink it up and it not be your fault), I would hate to put a young guy in a situation where he sees something in the D and doesn’t have the capabiltiy to call an audible because he doesn’t know enough of the playbook and they haven’t put audibles in the game plan. Think back to Mills as freshman an sophomore when we used a million timeouts a game because the offense didn’t have audibles in due to experience with the playbook.

by BMAN13 on Aug 20, 2010 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

^This

Stars and Rivals and Scout are crap, the usual blah blah blah. They say what really matters are the offers a guy gets. McGloin had none. I’m not saying he’s a bad player, but if no one else thought highly enough to give him an offer (including us), that is telling. This is a guy who has borderline D-I talent. He’s probably serviceable, but we should be looking for someone who at least has big time raw talent. I’d rather see talent struggle yet develop and us lose 6 games than us lose 2 or 3 playing a guy that will never be able to handle the top opponents.

by gcdyersb on Aug 19, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think this is the problem people have with Ham Sandwich.

Think about the team last year. DC was our QB. Ham Sandwich was not in the discussion. I think people are concerned that if he wins the starting job it means a major MAJOR dropoff from DC since he was 3rd string to him last year. People want to have hope that we have another DC or better in the group here. If Matt MacLoins wins the starting job it feels like we have regressed in a major way.

I know, I know, he could have improved a ton. But think about how you would have felt last year mid season if we got in a situation that we had to start McGloin? This team still doesn’t have an identity, and as a result, most fans still feel more connection with last years team. That just leaves people with the feeling that Ham Sandwich is not a good option.

by PSUinBOSSton on Aug 18, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

By the way

Anytime it happens, it’s called the “Ham Sandwich Effect.”

by PSUinBOSSton on Aug 18, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

since when does experience trump talent? if experience was so great then Jim Thome would still be the Phillies First baseman and Tommy Maddox would be the Steelers QB. McGloin is not good. I dont care if he understands the playbook because hes been there three years. If thats the case Brackett has been there 5 years and understands the playbook even better so maybe he should start.

by swiggy04 on Aug 18, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good Point

If McGloin starts, then we should have moved Brackett back to QB. It worked OK for Oklahoma when Bomar got the boot.

by gcdyersb on Aug 18, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I concur.....

Can’t stand this man love for a kid that has shown nothing to date. At least Newsome’s raw athletic ability is evident on the tape. My only thought about this unwarranted love is that there are too many Scranton mics, I mean Irish-Americans, on this site with an agenda to will McGloin into the starting QB role.

I thought only safeties played 15 yards off the ball?

by pic15 on Aug 18, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Newsome switches positions

don’t leave out LB. We’ll turn anyone into an LB.

Bacon is almost as great as being a Penn Stater

by NittanyTide on Aug 18, 2010 4:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I've said it once, and I'll say it again.

Jim Kelly would have been an excellent linebacker.

What would Joe Paterno do?

by jesse. on Aug 18, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

FINALLY!

Finally I see someone else besides me thinks that! The media love to ridicule Joe for wanting to make Kelly into a qb, but I agree with you….I think he would’ve made a heckuva linebacker.

And at the time PSU was pretty set at QB. They had Blackledge and Hoss and also Frank Rocco, who was a highly regarded qb from Fox Chapel. Truth be told, they didn’t need Kelly for qb.

by J Breezy on Aug 18, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Newsome will be a Hero or transfer if not the starter

http://www.fletcforum.com/2010/08/09/using-crossfit-to-train-for-physical-efficiency-battery-peb/

by SweepTheLeg on Aug 18, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Word on Scout is that Jones was told today that he's redshirting.

"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."

-J.V.Pa.

by psume06 on Aug 18, 2010 7:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Correct

They decided last week.

Blue and White

by QBsneak12 on Aug 18, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, what are his thoughts? Will he stay/go?

http://www.fletcforum.com/2010/08/09/using-crossfit-to-train-for-physical-efficiency-battery-peb/

by SweepTheLeg on Aug 18, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last week?

How can that be? Flounders has a guy on the inside and he never reported it.

by Frank O'Brien on Aug 18, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was after the game last week.

They want Jones to work on understanding of the playbook and mechanics.

Staff feels that McGloin can keep the seat warm until they can unleash Bolden after a couple of games.

Blue and White

by QBsneak12 on Aug 19, 2010 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW

On the BTN’s Penn State Football Preview tonight, the four analysts all said Bolden is the guy and gushed all over him. Cited as a better passer than both McGloin and Newsome.

by gumbercules on Aug 18, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crap....

I told you that last week.

by DerryPharmer on Aug 18, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Paul Jones is 246? That kid will be a great TE or WR

http://www.fletcforum.com/2010/08/09/using-crossfit-to-train-for-physical-efficiency-battery-peb/

by SweepTheLeg on Aug 18, 2010 8:36 PM EDT reply actions  

That has to be a mistake

The kid is like Daryll Clark in a lot of ways, but to actually be bigger than Clark already is pretty crazy. He’s a big framed kid from the couple of times I’ve met him, but 246 I really doubt.

by dawsonPSU10 on Aug 18, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

No matter who wins the job, someone will transfer IMHO.

If McGloin wins, Newsome transfers. Bolden and Jones wait.
If Newsome wins, McGloin and either Bolden or Jones transfers
If Bolden wins, Newsome and probably McGloin will transfer. Jones, if taking a redshirt this year, waits.

If I am right, than starting Newsome is the worst thing the staff could do. I’m probably wrong. I hope so.

by Dinsdale on Aug 18, 2010 10:30 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't really see McGloin transferring

not saying it can’t happen, but I doubt it will

by The JuggerNitt on Aug 20, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why start someone who is planned on being replaced?

No ‘good’ reason to start McGloin – if the plan’ is to just give the keys to Bolden 3 or 4 games in. Just give the keys to the better man right now. Youngstown State will be a good warm up. Penn State has a better shot at winning with the better athlete and in this case can throw also. (Bolden in my opinion.. based solely on what i hear). . . haha

by PSU3700 on Aug 21, 2010 3:26 PM EDT reply actions  

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