No One Wants to Play Defense for Michigan's Greg Robinson
by QBsneak12 on Aug 18, 2010 9:16 AM EDT
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PrintThings continue to go from bad to worse for Rich Rodriguez and company at Michigan. It was learned yesterday that starting CB Troy Woolfolk broke his fibula and dislocated his ankle. A senior, Woolfolk was expected to "anchor" Defensive Coordinator Greg Robinson's nationally ranked (82 out of 120) defense. The injury was confirmed by Woolfolk's father, Butch:
"dislocated right ankle and broken fibula. waiting for swelling to go down before possible surgery".
One week ago, former blue chip recruit Justin Turner asked for and was granted his release from the program. Turner was only a redshirt freshman.
Michigan is already starting a redshirt sophomore in J.T. Floyd and will look to a pair of true freshmen (Cullen Christian or Courtney Avery) to fill in for Woolfolk. Michigan may not want to admit it, but the sky is starting to fall in Ann Arbor. Michigan will be tested early in the season on September 11th on the road at Notre Dame.
Penn State gets their shot at Michigan's swiss cheese secondary on October 30th at Beaver Stadium (8pm). It won't even matter which QB we are starting at that point.
It appears RichRod's last season in Ann Arbor is going to be a bumpy one.
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Its going to be Harbaugh brah
http://www.fletcforum.com/2010/08/09/using-crossfit-to-train-for-physical-efficiency-battery-peb/
Trying to read that combination of words makes my brain hurt.
"Nothing turns me on like doe estrus." - ReadingRambler
by leeharvey418 on Aug 18, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I dunno
He had some harsh words and pissed off alot of Michigan people a few years ago.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
There's something about losing
(a lot) that makes people forget such things if they think the guy can get them back in the right place. If he does he will lauded as a hero.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
Nobody wants to play defense for Greg Robinson.
That makes sense, as near as I can figure nobody ever has.
p.s. Rodriguez
What would Joe Paterno do?
by jesse. on Aug 18, 2010 9:32 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
you are discounting the distinct possibility that some of these guys would rather be injured than play for GERG
(in all honestly, though, certain joints just shouldn’t dislocate: the elbow, wrist, and ankle. * shudder *)
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 18, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Get your caps straight. What a maroon.
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Aug 18, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Greatest screenname ever.
"The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here"
by ReadingRambler on Aug 18, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
UrMomwaswithJoePalastnite
"The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here"
by ReadingRambler on Aug 18, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
please, he wouldn't cheat on Sue
especially not with gutter trash
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 20, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
so you're saying that their options are jail, benchwarming, or playing for UofM?
that’s a tough one (sorta like those FMK games)
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 20, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED THAT ROBINSON’S SHOES AREN’T TIED. THAT’S NO ACCIDENT, HE DOES IT ON PURPOSE. THAT’S WHY THEY CALL HIM “SHOELACE”, BECAUSE HE DOESN’T TIE HIS SHOES. DID YOU SEE HOW FAST HE RUNS? HE DOES IT WITHOUT TYING HIS SHOES, LOOK AT THOSE LACES JUST FLOPPING AROUND. DID I MENTION THEY CALL HIM SHOELACE?
gag
McGloin Despite Them
Preaching the McGospel since Aug. 2nd, 2010
It's even funnier because
he keeps them on with VELCRO.
1) That hardly makes it a miracle that his shoes stay on.
2)He must of ordered a pair of sneakers from a 1987 9 year old boy.
3) SHOEEEEELLLLAAAACCCEEESSSS
by PSUinBOSSton on Aug 18, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
The whole shoelaces thing is just stupid.
And RR is a fool/tool for letting him do it. Joe would never permit such a thing.
Seriously
If I were the coach, I wouldn’t let him practice/play until he tied them.
by Bob Sacamano on Aug 18, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.
Any good coach would do that. Geez…John Wooden used to spend hours just teaching his players how to properly put on their socks and shoes. He’d never put up with that nonsense either.
So arguably the greatest football and basketball coaches ever would never permit it. That’s all I need to know.
Meh,
he velcros them closed, and ties up the ends so they are not capable of being tripped on and do provide some support. Really, he has just replaced the function of the shoelace with velcro, and left the shoelace for asthetics. If it works it works, I don’t think coaches would not allow it.
by PSUinBOSSton on Aug 18, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
But could not lacing up allow for an easier foot injury?
by Bob Sacamano on Aug 18, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess.
My understanding was they had created some very secure velcro under the tongue of the shoe that allowed the entire tongue to stay secure in a similar way it does with laces. I think it was on an ESPN gameday, or BTN gameday special thing they showed how the show functioned.
That was my whole point above. Everyone acts like he’s wearing moccasins, but from what I say the velcro might better secure the shoe and offer more support than the lace. No matter what it’s dumb.
by PSUinBOSSton on Aug 18, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Velcro is for kids.
Especially kids who don’t yet know how to tie their shoes. Maybe he doesn’t know how to tie them yet!
Just watch
In 20 years, nobody under the age of 30 will know how to tie their shoes anymore.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
And did they have to specifically design them for this single player? If so, that’s absurd.
by Bob Sacamano on Aug 18, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Ugh
If I were the engineer being forced to do that, I’d be pissed
by Bob Sacamano on Aug 18, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
velcro keeping the shoes closed, if equal or superior in function to shoelaces is fine
then leaving shoelaces on for aesthetics is what I find stupid
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 18, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Right,
no matter what it’s dumb. It’s just a sliding scale of how dumb.
by PSUinBOSSton on Aug 18, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
If he was really cool
they would light up too.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
by rahpsu92 on Aug 18, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Harbaugh
Will be good for Michigan and bad for the rest of the big 10. As someone that dislikes Michigan as much as the next PSU fan, I really like Rich Rod. He’s a train wreck and fun to watch.
I hope he stays another 2-3-4 years and keeps on looking foolish on the sidelines. Because I fear a team like Michigan could be dominant again with the right head coach.
the best part is he is a hateable figure
so I don’t even feel slightly guilty about my disdain for him and the program.
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 18, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't care about Notre Dame
but they better beat UConn. That game, Iowa vs. Arizona, Wiscy vs ASU, and OSU vs. Miami are key to the Big 10 not looking silly.
UConn is going to win.
Handily, I think.
by PSUinBOSSton on Aug 18, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
UConn is going to be alright,
and Michigan is not Michigan right now.
by PSUinBOSSton on Aug 18, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Michigan hasn't been Michigan
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
"Right, a ball of hot flaming gas that collapses upon itself." -Doctor Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 19, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
UConn is returning one of the best teams in school history. Cribbed:
Hopes are high for the Huskies with a favorable schedule and 17 starters returning from last season’s 8-5 team. UConn lost its five games last year by a total of just 15 points and led in the fourth quarter in four of those five losses.
by gumbercules on Aug 18, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Sounds like 2007 MSU (a ton of losses by a TD or less)
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
"Right, a ball of hot flaming gas that collapses upon itself." -Doctor Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 19, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Meh.
I think if the Big 10 can put together another solid season without any help from UM, it may start to dispel the myth that the Big 10 needs Michigan to be good.
"Until somebody knocks you on your rear end, and pardon me ladies, but unless somebody knocks you on your rear end, you're never going to learn." - Joe Paterno
by Illegal Formation on Aug 18, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
From that viewpoint
I am far more worried about UMass. Michigan is probably going to be 0-2 entering a game that is essentially the other team’s Super Bowl.
by gumbercules on Aug 18, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Rich Rod is truly a fraud.
RR found out right away that coaching and winning in the Big 10 is a completely different thing than winning in the Big East. He stepped up to a whole other level and more importantly to way higher expectations at Michigan and has failed miserably.
I always thought RR was stupid for taking the job. He could’ve pretty much stayed as long as he wanted at WVU and he was a WVU boy. He could’ve become the closest thing to a WVU Paterno there. If he thought he could bring his Mickey Mouse schemes and diversions and win regularly in the Big 10 then he was just stupid. Most of his success at WVU could be attributed to having Pat White and Steve Slaton and the lower level of competition the Big East provided. At WVU they would tolerate a few bad seasons and be thrilled with 9 wins. Michigan expects more and you have to beat Ohio State. RR has yet to deliver on either and barring a miracle season will be gone after this year. What will be interesting is where he lands. I think he’ll end up like Solich (sp.?) from Nebraska….if he’s lucky!
I’m no fan of Michigan, but Bo was right….they should have a Michigan man there. Don’t know if it will be Harbaugh though…he really ripped them.
Maybe a bit early to call him a fraud.
I think the offense could turn out to be very effective this year. And that is what he is known for. I think the offense can prove to be more than a “Mickey Mouse” scheme. And the offense is what RR is known for, so I’m not sure you can call him a fraud for that.
GERG, on the other hand. I’m not sure why he thinks he can win with GERG. Not seeing that as a problem may make him a poor HC, but fraud seems inaccurate to me. Personally, I love GERGball (at least when others teams play it).
by PSUinBOSSton on Aug 18, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I just don't see that offense working....
…without White and Slaton. Mainly White. He caught ligtning in a bottle with them at WVU, plus the Big East was really bad then (right after the Miami, BC, and VT defections…Lousiville, UConn, and USF were inadequate replacements).
RR got a “welcome to the big leagues, boy” when he went to the Big 10. Despite what the clowns at ESPN bellow, the Big 10 is a very good conference…you get very few “weeks off”.
Really?
Because last year with poor QB play they still managed to be 34th in rushing offense, 21st (tied) in rushing TDs, and 41st in ppg. In their second year with young players, it’s already working pretty substantially, and will probably be a bit better this year.
by PSUinBOSSton on Aug 18, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Those stats are inflated.
Consider they scored 31 against W. Mich., 38 against ND (a bad team), 45 against E. Mich., 36 against Indiana, and 63 against Deleware St. That’s like playing in his old Big East days.
The offense sputtered against better competition, especially Ohio State and Penn State where they only managed 10 points in each game. Probably the most impressive thing is they scored 28 against Iowa.
Can you call any teams stats inflated any more these days?
Everyone gets games against those level of programs, so over the course of the entire season the rankings really even out. I don’t think you can call them inflated.
In the scores you mention, they scored 18 more than PSU against Iowa, and 3 more than PSU against OSU. I think that pretty solidly puts them in the top half of b10 offenses.
by PSUinBOSSton on Aug 18, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
So what. Just look at the number of games he's won.
He’s lost way more than PSU the past two years. His offense doesn’t get it done against the better teams. That was my whole point. The competition is better in the Big 10 than it was in the watered down Big East. That crap of his doesn’t fly in against the big boys. Sure there will be the anomalies, but it won’t work consistently against better competition.
Well,
I guess we don’t agree there. The “that crap doesn’t fly against the big boys,” then chalking up evidence to the contrary to anomalies just sounds to me like preconceived notions. That kind of thinking is dangerous to me.
The more important point to me is how rapidly the offense improved with little experience, both in the system and overall experience of the players he used. They didn’t just improve because of how poor they were the previous year either, they actually turned into a respectable offense. He proved it at WVU, but you have thrown that out because of the specific players and the BCS conference they played in. He already greatly improved from year 1 to year 2, but you want to break it down and say it can only work against certain opponents. In the end I guess we will see, but I am predicting them to have some high scoring shootouts this year, and be a high scoring offense.
His defense is not competitive, and that’s a problem. But the offense is getting better, and that’s scary.
by PSUinBOSSton on Aug 18, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
PSU, OSU and Iowa's defenses have no problems with RR's scheme
You can have White and Slaton, I’ll take a strong front seven with well coached athletic LBs and shut them down every time. You can through it Dantonio’s defense as well. He’s got one trick and it won’t fly here.
by Frank O'Brien on Aug 18, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I think MSU was the first to do this:
Beat the crap out of those little quarterbacks.
"The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here"
by ReadingRambler on Aug 18, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Pitt did it to White, beat the hell out of the skinny fast guy, pile on and twist an ankle.
in the game that RR threw because he knew he couldn’t leave WVU after playing for a national championship.
Pitt put 8 in the box....
…(which is the smart thing to do against that WVU team) and RR did not adapt at all. He just kept trying to pound the square peg into the round hole.
Pitt also wanted that game more than WVU. And they were playing only for pride…all WVU had on the line was a shot at the national title. I have to blame RR for not having them ready. That and hats off to Pitt and Wanny….they outplayed and outcoached WVU.
The thing is
I honestly think you can’t fire him this year unless a) they go downhill from last year or b) you are firing him for the NCAA thing. If you hire a coach who is bringing in two completely knew systems, you have to give him four years. Let him at least play his game, with his players as upperclassmen. If not, what does the administration do, hire a new coach and let him bring in a pro-style offense and the 4-3? Then, they will have done nothing other than relegating their program into six years of subpar limbo.
I dunno.
If they lose to OSU (very likely) and PSU (likely) then I just don’t see how they keep him.
The man lost to Appalachian State, for crying out loud! This is the winningest program in D1 history. I think if he sticks around they’re relegated to subpar performances almost every year.
Geez...who doesn't Toledo beat?
PSU, Michigan, Pitt….teams would be wise to avoid them!
Colorado also
They freaking killed Colorado.
by gumbercules on Aug 18, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah,
what the hell was Colorado doing playing at Toledo in the first place. Man was that stupid on their part.
What would Joe Paterno do?
Glad you mentioned that.
I have a buddy who walked on there in the early 80s (Colorado was horrible then….Northwestern horrible). Never played, but did win “Most Improved Walkon” one year!
Anyway, I have to email him something about our kids and had forgotten until I saw your Colorado post. Thanks!
Toledo went 10-1 the year they beat us.
I think they went 3-9 the year they beat Michigan. Big, big, difference between the two losses. I think their Toledo loss is actually worse than the Appalachian State loss, because Appalachian State was actually really good. Kind of like Toledo was the year they beat us.
Michigan losing to a bad MAC team should sting them more than losing to a good FCS team. Especially since the chances of one of their fans running into a Toledo graduate are reasonably high.
What would Joe Paterno do?
Chester Drawers.
Wasn’t he on that Toledo team that beat PSU?
Yeah, I know that team was good, but it’s still a bad loss for PSU. But that was one bad PSU team.
Toledo was better than us that season.
That game was neither a fluke, nor an upset. They’d have beaten us 10 out 10 times that year.
What would Joe Paterno do?
Not saying PSU was better.
I agree Toledo was better (though beating PSU 10 out of 10 would be tough). I’m just saying it was a bad loss. The PSU image took a big hit with that loss (even though Toledo would’ve beaten a lot of name programs that year). The Pitt fans really run with that one (even though Toledo would’ve annihilated them that year) and it’s odd considering they lost to a worse Toledo team a year or two later.
Can't help the perception part of it.
Except to repeat the part about that team being no bullshit everytime it comes up. I try not to concern myself too much with the opinions of those who have no idea what they’re talking about, so I don’t really stress much at all about what Pitt fans think.
What would Joe Paterno do?
Consider this.
First, this guy didn’t inheret nothing. He got a team coming off of beating Florida in the Citrus Bowl that won 9 or 10 games. A ton of the damage he did to that team was self-inflicted “I know better than you” damage.
Second, the “it’s Michigan” argument, ie “they’ll always be good because they’re Michigan”, is a bit of a red herring. There is no really good high school football in Michigan. They have always depended on recruting heavily in Ohio for their players. Bo Shembechler was from Ohio, and they sucked before him, and every coach after him was a direct decendant of him. Until Rodriguez, at which point they instantly sucked. Point being, previsously they relied on an established network of contacts in Ohio to get players. Now they rely on a coach whose reputation is shady, at best.
Every year they let Rodriguez run that program is another year Tressel, who isn’t going anywhere for a long time, puts a bigger hammer lock on recruiting in that state. I think that’s what’s killing Michigan, slowly and quietly, but surely.
I don’t think Michigan returning to a consistent 10 win Big Ten title team is nearly as assured as everybody else seems to think it is.
What would Joe Paterno do?
by jesse. on Aug 18, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
The danger of killing coaching trees
Michigan took a huge, unnecessary risk when they decided to end the Bo lineage. I am hoping that the higher ups at PSU are seeing this as yet another reason to hire from within when JoePa hangs it up.
Although I disagree about Tressel. I think he’ll retire in the next 5-6 years. Then again, OSU’s success in locking down the state for recruiting isn’t all because of him.
by newenglandnittanylion on Aug 18, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
I think RR kept one assistant from the Carr era, and that guys lasted one season. It was a good move if you have a 20 year contract and you’re willing to burn four years rebuilding the program. But they’re Michigan, and they aren’t really willing to do that. He got a pass the first year. There was a lot of grumbling the second year, but they swallowed it. This year there are no excuses. It’s bowl game or bust for RR.
I guarantee PSU is watching this along with the way FSU handled their coaching change and I think you will see PSU avoid this. I think they will do something similar to when they hired Rip Engle from outside the program. They told him the entire coaching staff had to remain in place. Engle negotiated and got to bring one of his assistants from Brown, JoePa. But I think you will see PSU do something similar. They aren’t going to let Bradley, JayPa, Kenny, Buggs, Johnson, and Vanderlinden walk out the door just because the new guy wants to bring his own staff in. He will get plenty of turnover quickly though because I think Hall and Anderson will retire along with Joe.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
The only concern I have with this idea, is that LJ isn’t going to be a position coach for very long given his enormous talent and impressive success at developing talent. He’s going to have to be given a promotion at some point, and I dread the idea that it’s outside the program.
For this reason alone, I’ve changed my opinion about our next HC and I believe if Bradley stays with the program post-Joe (ie Bradley doesn’t also retire) then I think he needs to be HC and LJ DC. In my mind, having spoken to a lot of high school kids who go to the Nike camps and have interacted with the coaches, everyone I’ve ever talked to had said they loved Bradley and LJ.
McGloin Despite Them
Preaching the McGospel since Aug. 2nd, 2010
If LJ Sr. wanted to be a DC or even a HC...
I think he would be. I bet you he’s 50/50 on straight up leaving along with JoePa.
What would Joe Paterno do?
I agree with you
He is such a tremendous human being, great with the kids. I wouldn’t be suprised to see him venture out of the football realm when Joe leaves, unless he gets the head coaching position. I could easily see him doing something like Sandusky and maybe even expanding beyond just working with youth.
True
Bradley to HC, LJ to DC is the best move. Depending on how long Bradley stays with it, I could even see LJ taking over the HC reins someday, if he has the patience.
by newenglandnittanylion on Aug 19, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh I hope!
I like both Bradley and LJ and I eventually want to see LJ as our head coach, but think Bradley probably deserves the nod first. I’ve always thought that we should promote from within, but I didn’t realize what a tradition Penn State has had of former football players coming back to coach and assistant coaches staying on despite head coaching changes (since the VERY beginning) until I read the Penn State Football Vault.
For the glory
Tressel may retire then but OSU won't be dumb enough to hire an outsider
It will be another Ohio man, whether within the program or from another successful Ohio school with good instate contacts. They learned their lesson from Cooper.
When JT hangs it up
Outside: Bo Pelini. Inside: Luke Fickell or Darrell Hazell.
by Onestatewest on Aug 19, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Galen Hall or JayPa?
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
"Right, a ball of hot flaming gas that collapses upon itself." -Doctor Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 19, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
You know why OSU got rid of Earle Bruce?
Because he couldn’t keep UM from stealing the best recruits in Ohio.
"The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here"
by ReadingRambler on Aug 18, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Earle Bruce!
He had one of the best, yet little known, meltdowns after they canned him. He was screaming things…one was something about “…they were at my HOUSE!” (his players). It was great, but unfortunately in the dark, pre-internet age and I can’t find it anywhere.
I’d love to see a clip of that again.
dude...
do you know anything about Michigan? They lost 3 four year starters, Henne, Hart, Long, another sr OL, 2 starting receivers…? He had players? No he didn’t have anything near the talent they had the year before.
Maybe he saw the writing on the wall coming with the NCAA violations at WVU
and decided to skip town to a fresh start and a better gig before it caught up with him
Yeah
Until it happened again at Michigan
by Bob Sacamano on Aug 18, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Didn't the Michigan allegations lead to the NCAA looking at WVU
and not the other way around?
For the glory
I believe that's correct.
Didn’t Michigan self-report some of them once the players started talking as a way to save their reputation?
by PSUinBOSSton on Aug 18, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it started with some disgruntled Michigan players (or former players)
going to the media before Michigan and the NCAA started looking into it.
For the glory
He had a starter transfer to Ohio State.
I can’t imagine that happening under Bo or Lloyd.
Good point on the Ohio recruiting. I never though of that. And like I said earlier…I am not impressed with the WPIAL kids he’s been getting. Lloyd got some gems, but RR seems to be taking the lesser ones.
I could see this as saving Rich Rod's Job
Robinson, on the other hand, might not even make it through the season.
Rodriguez was hired for his offensive schemes more than anything else; those showed progress last year, and likely will show more this year. As long as the offense keeps progressing, Rich Rod has a valid argument for keeping his job.
Greg Robinson was an indefensible hire from the start. He’s just not a good coach. If Michigan’s defense had been even a little bit better last season, Michigan could have won 2 or 3 more games last season (MSU? Purdue? Iowa? Maybe even Wisconsin?) and we wouldn’t be having any of these discussions.
If Michigan fires Robinson sooner rather than later, gets a capable Defensive Coordinator, and recruits better on defense, Michigan will be back in no time. If they fire Rich Rod after this season and blow up the whole system again, it will be another 2-3 years before Michigan even has the chance to be good.
Either way, the curse of Lloyd Carr has left the building, so PSU should continue to kick Michigan’s ass.
by newenglandnittanylion on Aug 18, 2010 10:47 AM EDT reply actions
Oops, I think it's 9-1 Carr.
We should hire that guy. There has to be something we can pay him to do.
What would Joe Paterno do?
I think PSU beat Carr twice.
95 and 96.
Actually that’s a little scary because those losses were in his first 2 years – just like Rich Rod. I sure hope RR not gonna run of 9 straight against PSU!
Lloyd started in 95.
I had to look it up.
Interesting….in looking that up I found that Moeller actually had a better winning percentage than Carr. It was a ridiculously slight difference, but still better.
Its going to be a long season
…..so I wouldn’t discount Michigan just yet. Now I don’t think that they’re going to be good, but we don’t even know good we’re going to be either.
Trust me, nobody enjoys watching them get a good spanking more than me, but I just don’t want us to get ahead of ourselves and chalk up that game as an automatic W. Reminds me too much of the 2007 game, which was a complete disaster.
Exactly...
and it was a game that almost everyone, including myself, chalked up as an automatic W.
The level of “pucker-age” on our offense was ridiculous that day (and most of that season).
by Artiefufkin10 on Aug 18, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Although actually
Michigan turned out to be pretty decent that year, after the two opening losses. I mean, they beat Jesus in the bowl game (which, on another note, is completely ridiculous). Granted Tebow was good that year, but I don’t think that a QB of a two loss team (before the bowl game) should win the Heisman.
by Bob Sacamano on Aug 18, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
that is one of my favorite bowl games of all time
It is amazing that Michigan went from that win to crap so quickly.
Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils
haha yeah..
How silly did their AD look for canning LLLLLoyd after his big win over Jesus when they succeed him with Mr. Snakeoil
by Artiefufkin10 on Aug 18, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Wasn’t Lloyd already finished entering that bowl game though? I think I remember the announcers bidding farewell to him throughout the broadcast (in between slurping Tebow’s holy water sweat).
by Bob Sacamano on Aug 18, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I think so.
But still, it just astounds me how they wanted to get away from traditional Michigan football* and go with something that just seems too gimmicky for the B10.
*By traditional UM football I mean:
-great running backs
-pro-style offense
-Stout defenses
by Artiefufkin10 on Aug 18, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
also...
I think they could have brought in a guy like Harbaugh who embodies that style of play and not lose too much continuity. And I have a feeling that with a good recruiting class, that guy could dominate.
by Artiefufkin10 on Aug 18, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
They wanted to beat Ohio State
That’s it. That’s all.
They felt that their “traditional” style of play wasn’t going to get it done, and that they needed something sexier. Enter Rich Rodriguez, who might as well have been Megan Fox three years ago.
I don’t care what comes out of Ann Arbor, they thought they were going to be good right away, and totally dominant by now.
What would Joe Paterno do?
I look at RR as a Lindsy Lohan type
Kinda sexy as the new kid on the block but once fame went to her head she turned into a media whore which slowly jumped off her bandwagon and then the media showed what a whore she really was. Then she got caught breaking rules she had been breaking all along and got sent to jail and rehab and may make it back but it is fun for everyone to say what an idiot she is.
ehh..
nobody in AA expected quick success. Even last year people weren’t high on the team. This was supposed to be the year of promise. Of course no one expected to be SO bad, just mediocre which for Michigan for the previous 33 years, mediocre was 6 or 7 wins. Now that would be a godsend
I agree.
I take nothing for granted against Michigan. They owned PSU for a long time thus they’ll always scare me. I thought PSU should’ve beaten them the year they lost to Appy State, but Michigan still won.
There aren't that many players on either team who were playing when Michigan last beat us.
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 18, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
My theory is..
that Urban Meyer is not that great of a coach. I mean he can recruit…but I want to see what their team looks like without the #1 run play for the best 4 years —
Tebow Smash up the middle.
Watching Tebow’s preseason game, I gained a lot of respect for him I didn’t have previously. He may have contributed more to Florida then I thought, and Urban may find himself in hot water. Remember, those Florida fans think 11-1 is normal every season. They’re going to be burning couches in the streets if they go 9-3 this year.
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He's a great athlete no doubt.
But watching Florida play with Tebow at the helm, it always seemed like their wins were due to vastly superior talent and nobody could stop or even keep up with them.
Now Saban obviously figured out that when you stop Tebow, you win, but Tebow made that offense click. I do not believe that Bama was athletically superior than Florida the last two years, but he drew up some great schemes.
by Artiefufkin10 on Aug 18, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Meyer reminds me a lot of Florida’s basketball coach Billy Donovan. Donovan had this lightening-in-a-bottle success with a huge group of talented players that dominated their sport and then teetered off once they all left, proving he is simply a better than average coach, not a revolutionary genius. Granted, if Meyer can continue to have the recruiting success he’s had, this will be a non-issue, and his coaching deficiencies will go overlooked, but, just like the b-ball team when all of their championship players left, I see quite the drop off on the horizon for the football team.
by Bob Sacamano on Aug 18, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point.
At florida, I don’t think Meyer will ever have to deal with the “empty cupboard” that other new coaches get because of Florida’s in state talent and high draw. He had good players leftover from Zook when started and obviously that worked out pretty good for him.
Saban on the other hand, turned things around way faster than expected and has just recently been enjoying the fruits of his recruiting labors. Its frightening, actually.
by Artiefufkin10 on Aug 18, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Saban must be a hell of a recruiter because he did it at LSU too. But why couldn’t he get MSU to the top. I forget how many years he was there and he was a good coach with a good scheme, adjusts to the players he gets but he has just exploded since going south. I also think Meyer is going to be up and down until he gets another franchise guy. His winning really relies on having a very good QB but he does recruit well on D like Saban. Saban is just more defensive minded and that is why he is going to be tough in the SEC.
Little brother syndrome.
Saban probably saw more opportunity to win at LSU because he didn’t have to play second fiddle to Michigan, whom was pretty solid in the 90’s with that MNC. I just don’t think that MSU has the facilities and tradition to exploit.
by Artiefufkin10 on Aug 18, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
It helps if you can and are
willing to sign 110 guys then make 25 last minute cuts
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
OMG!!!!!!
Unless I’m making this up, I remember Bama wanted Rich Rod as their coach and he turned them down. we could have been looking a likely W on September 11th this year.
My how the turn-tables………………………
I'd rather Alabama be good than Michigan.
Plus, for some reason I think Rodriguez would have done better in the SEC. Probably because of the weather.
What would Joe Paterno do?
Slaton.
He was from Alabama. RR got a great one from right under the Tide’s noses.
I think he’d have done better there, too. Can’t rationally say why…just a feeling.
Because SEC defenses overcommit?
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 18, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
recruiting
if you look at RR’s recruits while he has been at Michigan, there are A LOT of Florida kids. Even reading what the recruits from Florida think of the school, all those southern kids love Ann Arbor and the coaching staff. He is a great recruiter and if he can get kids out of the sun in Florida to Michigan, imagine the recruiting job he could do at an Alabama.
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