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Big Ten Divisions: Land Grant Forever

Michael Rosenberg of the Detroit Free Press is a crafty dude. Without saying the Big Ten divisions should split geographically minus Penn State, he still found a way to advocate sending the Lions west for all of their divisional games.

After splitting up what he called the four "traditional superpowers" into pairs of Nebraska/Penn State and Ohio State/Michigan,  Rosenberg sells moving three western teams into the Nebraska/Penn State division on the following grounds:

Some more simple logic: Iowa is the only Big Ten state that borders Nebraska. Iowa's biggest rivalry game is against Minnesota (for Floyd of Rosedale). Minnesota's biggest rivalry game is against Wisconsin (for Paul Bunyan's Axe). Right now, Iowa, Minnesota and Wisconsin are protected rivalries -- each one plays the other two every year. I assume they want to keep that up. Plus they all share the same set of cows anyway. So those three join Penn State and Nebraska.

What about Penn State's protected rivalry with Michigan State?

Who cares? That was always a rivalry of convenience anyway. MSU cares far more about Michigan than it does about playing Penn State. That's why the Spartans go in the division with U-M and OSU.

Star-divide

...and Penn State cares way more about its game with Ohio State, a matchup that has decided the Big Ten BCS bid the last five years, than the contest with Michigan State, yet Rosenberg doesn't seem at all inclined to try and protect that game at all.

He then moves Indiana and Purdue to the Ohio State/Michigan division and splits Northwestern and Illinois among OSU/UM and PSU/NU respectively.

What results are defacto east and west divisions with Penn State as the ugly ducking.

It leaves Penn State and Illinois as the only two teams left without either of their protected rivalries intact and Penn State as the only one forced to play all of its divisional games across the geographical center of the conference from where it's located.

This makes about as much sense as putting the Pittsburgh Pirates in a division with the Houston Astros and St. Louis Cardinals.

While yes, what's about to become 18 consecutive losing seasons has done a lot to kill baseball interest in Pittsburgh, so has sticking the Bucs in a division with four teams located in a different time zone. There was a time when the Pirates' biggest rivalries were with the Philadelphia Phillies and the New York Mets as members of the N.L. East. No more. Today, all Bucco fans have are Dave Kerwin shirts and a largely meaningless rivalry with the Milwaukee Brewers while they wait for watered down series with the Mets and Phils at PNC Park once a year. Traditional rivalries with those teams have suffered greatly, and by extension, so has interest in divisional games.

I've said many times splitting up Penn State from Ohio State and Michigan is fine, though our own BSD Mike and likely many others would disagree. I tend to side with the Adam Rittenberg school of thought that you can't have three of your four biggest brands in the same division. That shouldn't be grounds for splitting the Lions off from the rest of the eastern teams, though. Champaign, which would be Penn State's nearest divisional city, is and eight hour drive from Pittsburgh let alone State College or Philadelphia.

When you're so alienated from the rest of your division, how can you really build rivalries between fans of other schools?

Look, it's understandable that not everybody can be happy with the splits and Rosenberg is hardly an outlier, as plenty of people support a model like his. You can't fault him for following his regional logic by A) Keeping Ohio State and Michigan together and B) Keeping Michigan and Michigan State in the same division.

In terms of giving everyone something to be happy about, though, it leaves Penn State lacking big time. While Penn State-Michigan State has always felt a little forced, both sides would probably agree it's gained a little traction in the last few years with the timeout fiasco in 2008 and the merciless beat down Penn State laid on Sparty in 2009 in vengeance. Why break up the party when it's finally gaining a little momentum?

Of course both schools have bigger rivals than each other, but there's no reason they can't build what they've started in a new Big Ten and still keep protected games with Ohio State and Michigan.

I'd be a big fan of trading Michigan State and Illinois between divisions in Rosenberg's proposal. That way, everyone in the conference comes away with this with at least one of its protected rivalries intact within its division and has someone else in the league relatively close by. If you wanted to, you could get every school a protected cross-divisional game, ensuring Penn State-Ohio State and Michigan State-Michigan stay together.

Again, it's far from a perfect plan, but it leaves everyone feeling like they came away with something, instead of just focusing on OMG TEH GAMEEE!!!11

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As long as we play OSU every year

I don’t care what happens. And I can’t imagine they wouldn’t protect that rivalry if we’re not in the same division.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Aug 20, 2010 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

I honestly couldn’t care less about our “rivalry” w/ MSU. The only B10 rivalry we have that means anything is with OSU. As long as they protect that (and I would be shocked if they didn’t) and we get to play scUM occasionally I’ll be happy.

by PSUMark2008 on Aug 20, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

The rivalry with OSU is one sided…much like MSU cares about its game vs UM, OSU only cares about it’s game vs UM.

PSU cares a lot more about whether they play OSU than OSU cares about playing PSU.

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by EREX21 on Aug 20, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

which is exactly why

We should be rivals with Nebraska, not Ohio State. Give us a real rivalry, not this crap. If Michigan and Ohio State want to perpetuate their creepy lovefest on into infinity, why stand in their way. I personally believe a Nebraska Penn State rivalry game would be awesome, and free of thinly-veiled homo-eroticism. NTTAWWT.

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by millzners on Aug 20, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd love to have a rivalry with Nebraska.

And leave UM and OSU to their brah-mance. But for the good of the league, those two need to realize that there are plenty of other teams that are competitive in the conference and are very much ok to hate. Anymore, “The Lame” is only worth hyping every once in a decade, and acting like the rest of the conference should be willing to protect it at all costs stinks of entitlement.

Personally, I’m pleasantly surprised to see the conference going in this direction of “diminishing” that game for the sake of the conference, especially Penn State, despite the bitching and moaning of the other two fanbases.

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by 06Lion on Aug 20, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

I am really excited for Nebraska. That is all.

by Bob Sacamano on Aug 20, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm not looking to have a second-class rivalry

and I hope we play Nebraska every year too.

But I do think we need to play OSU every year for recruiting purposes, if nothing else. We both are vying for players in western PA/eastern OH, and it benefits us if those guys see us play—and hopefully beat—OSU.

They’re also the closest school geograhpically—and arguably culturally—and so i think it makes sense to stay aligned with them.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Aug 20, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd just like a real game the last week of the season

No offense to Michigan State (execpt Dantonio, I hope he’s offended), but Ohio State, Nebraska or Michigan the last week of the season would be a real step up for us. I don’t give a damn which one we actually play.

What would Joe Paterno do?

by jesse. on Aug 20, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Culturaly?

Sorry, this is just too loaded to pass up, though I know what you mean. In terms of fan culture, OSU fans are the closest thing in the midwest to SEC homers. They talk s—- when they win, and they make excuses when they lose. PSU fans are much more noble and kind. OSU attracts the worst sort of bandwagoning dumbtards.

by gcdyersb on Aug 20, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

The Ohio State and culture. An oxymoron if there ever was one.

Watch, one of their fans who “doesn’t care about PSU” is gonna come over here and start a blog war over this just to prove how much he doesn’t care.

by gcdyersb on Aug 20, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure...

Penn State has those fans, too. 99 times out of 100, they didn’t even go to the school. I might hate those OSU fans even more than you do, and I went there. Trust me, we care.

by Chicubs11636 on Aug 20, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know

It’s the minority that cause the majority of the trouble. But with success their number grows. I’d like to see where all those pre-Spurrier Florida fans were. Or what the USC fans will do now that they are heading for a down cycle.

OSU is so consistently successful these fans seem to be everywhere. Even when they’re not.

by gcdyersb on Aug 20, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I liked Florida pre-Spurrier...

their coach was a Penn Stater. LSU’s too. Now, eh, not so much.

What would Joe Paterno do?

by jesse. on Aug 20, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

There are classics like in 2008 Pryor “barely fumbled” against PSU. As much as I’d like to say Pryor “barely armpunted the decisive TD” in 2009, there is no barely about it. It was a killer blow, delivered in the right spot, and the safety was too late.

by gcdyersb on Aug 20, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

He fumbled...

HARDCORE. I HOPE he’ll live up to the Rose Bowl hype, but I’m 50/50 on it because, you know, I’ve seen him play. Purdue Harbor and The Fumble. One game a year he’s good for a REAL turd.

by Chicubs11636 on Aug 20, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel like doing semantics.

As I recall, Pryor threw a miserable pass on that play.

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by ReadingRambler on Aug 20, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

It looked like an arm punt

but it was actually a stealth attack into an apparent hole in the zone. Yeah, the hand time was about 6 seconds, but the ball sure went to the right spot at the right time.

by gcdyersb on Aug 21, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pre-Nebraska

All I ever wanted out of the Ohio State game, which was and is a protected game, was that they let us play at the same time every year. My preference was always the first Saturday in October, just something so the game had a bit of a cache to it beyond, you know, it’s Penn State and Ohio State. I’ll take last week of the season though.

If you think there is nothing between Penn State and Ohio State, or that it’s all one sided, you’re off though. If somebody so much as criticizes Ohio State’s Band on the front page we get a half dozen trolls over here telling us how much we suck.

What would Joe Paterno do?

by jesse. on Aug 20, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I suspect that

the “it’s a one sided rivalry” argument is just an attempt by OSU trolls to piss us off and that few of their fans actually think we aren’t a rival.

by Kyle_Martin on Aug 20, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heyooo

I actually laughed out loud at that.

by Kyle_Martin on Aug 21, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

My angle is simple. Ohio State loves Michigan, and vice versa, and I don’t want to try and get in the middle of that. Why not develop a new rivalry to go along with the newest member of the conference. Why not make a move to amend the aweful mess this conference made when we joined, and give us something that’s special instead of a half-baked convenience rivalry.

A new rivalry game at the end of the year with Nebraska would simply add to the cache of both teams. We’re the new kids on the block afterall, let us develop a new rivalry. Maybe we’re in the same division as Ohio State anyway, and maybe that means we play both. Why not? But give us a real rivalry where the other side can’t pretend they don’t care.

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by millzners on Aug 20, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree.

Like I said below, if we upgrade off Michigan State the last week of the season, I don’t care who it is that we upgrade with. I still think that we’re going to wind up playing Ohio State and Nebraska every season, but finishing with MSU every year so that Iowa can play Nebraska last. But we’ll see.

What would Joe Paterno do?

by jesse. on Aug 20, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I gotta figure

that if things keep trending the way they look now, we’ll end up with OSU as the season-end game. If the latest is to be believed, we’ll be in the division with them, and the OSU-UM game will be shifted to earlier in the season to prevent a back-to-back scenario (furthermore, I would tend to believe that ALL teams’ season ending games will be against division foes to ensure this). Thus, the obvious marquee matchup for the East would be pitting PSU against OSU, leaving Nebraska-Iowa and Michigan-MSU in the West.

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by 06Lion on Aug 20, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you know many OSU alums?

I work with quite a few and live next to some and for the last few year PSU is by far the biggest game. They are still into the end of season game but the big game is PSU.

by BMAN13 on Aug 21, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

As an OSU alumnus...

I couldn’t agree more. At least Penn State puts up a fight. Frankly, I like the fact that your fans acknowledge it as a rivalry even after a loss. None of this “oh well, MSU is a bigger rival, anyway.” M*ch*gan fans give me that line of bs all the time. I’d be fine with OSU/PSU/WISC in one and NEB/MICH/IOWA in the other.

by Chicubs11636 on Aug 20, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is what it is

OSU wins more often than PSU. But it is competitive. And when OSU simply outclasses PSU, we will admit it. I’ll never respect the idiotic subset of OSU fans just riding the bandwagon, but I know there are some good respectable folks in Ohio. When OSU is the better team, I respect that.

by gcdyersb on Aug 20, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually...

Isn’t it like 14-12 or 14-13? It’s AWFULLY close. Also, F whiteouts in the a-hole. I hate them with a passion, but simply because that shit WORKS. It’s the only thing outside of Camp Randall that stacks up to Ohio Stadium in terms of atmosphere. Terrifying.

by Chicubs11636 on Aug 20, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's 13-12 OSU (Thanks, We Are Penn State 2010),

but that’s since the first game was played in 1912. I think it’s 11-6 Ohio State since we joined the Big Ten.

For the glory

by Paige2PSU on Aug 20, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's looking more and more...

Big 10 AD’s are starting to talk and It’s looking more and more likely that the Big 4 will be seperated with OSU-PSU in one divisions and UNL-UM in the other.

Linky

UM-UNL on the day after thanksgiving. PSU-OSU on the Saturday after.

by Aaron Musfeldt on Aug 20, 2010 12:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Hopefully followed by

PSU-UNL. I really want to play them every year or close to it.

by skarocksoi on Aug 20, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

All I care

is that we have a standing matchup with one of those 3 schools on the weekend after Thanksgiving, and preferably they are in the same division. That’s how things start getting heated.

I hate to tell the ADs, though, but splitting up UM/OSU to try to get that matchup twice a year will water down “The Game” immensely if there is nothing really on the line the first time they play. It would be better for the rivalry if the division title and CCG berth is there for the taking.

by PSU Mudder on Aug 20, 2010 12:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Lets be like the big 12

…and put PSU, OSU, UM, and UNL in the same division and just have a meaningless championship game.

by RitterPSU on Aug 20, 2010 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

there should be no protected crossover rivalries.

Protected crossovers will make for unbalanced schedules, especially whoever is protected with PSU/OSU/UNL. I am still for a geographic split, especially with the possiblity out there that the next expansion will be on the eastern side of the conference. I don’t mind going into a temporary division with UNL but then one of Wiscy or Iowa needs to go to the other division. You can’t have 4 of the top 5 teams in one division and no one can say Michigan falls in that catagory. You would be handing the east div. to OSU every year if they don’t have to play anyone but UM. I also say if you want to save PSU a crossover rivalry, I want Indiana. I want a fighting chance at the championship game every year, not having to play the 2 to 4 best teams every single season because the saved the crossover OSU rivalry.

by BMAN13 on Aug 20, 2010 12:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Seriously?

You’d rather stack a weak deck?

Until our defense proves otherwise, it should be presumed they will be excellent.

by jtothep on Aug 20, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why not just stack one division with PSU, OSu, Wiscy, Iowa, Nebraska and MSU. Let Purdue and Michigan try to beat out NW for the other division. I want NO saved crossover games so that the rotation is just that. Set up divisions that are somewhat equal, as time can change that formula, and just rotate the other division games. With 9 games it will only be every couple years that everyone sees the other teams. I’m being facetious when saying I want to play IU every year but I sure don’t want the historically toughest game as my save crossover either. How many team do you really think want stuck playing PSU as their crossover game.

by BMAN13 on Aug 20, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Michigan gets split, I wonder if their program ever recovers

Traditionally Ohio has provided a lot of their best players, and without the draw of “the game,” I think they’ll lose the clout there. OSU will be more interested in beating us to make the CCG than beating UM in the other division. This is my hope, at least

"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."

-J.V.Pa.

by psume06 on Aug 20, 2010 1:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Maybe Michigan will start pushing their academics, which are excellent, and become NW. Put sports on a back burner because they can’t keep up with the jock schools! RR will do fine with the Ivy league OOC.

by BMAN13 on Aug 20, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know how programs 'recover?'

With resources. Big time programs, with big time stadia, big time fans (boosters) and big time resources always recover. Watch Notre Dame. They’ve been off the winning relevance radar for nigh on 20 years now. But have they seen any diminishing in any of their big time nouns I named above? Michigan could suffer 25 years of DickRod (would that the rest of us should be so lucky) and still be able to recover.

Presumptions that any of their incoming money is contingent on being tied to OSU are flimsy at best.

And despite what you’ll be able to get Ohio State to admit, when teams like Purdue, Illinois and Northwestern are regularly beating Michigan, they are far more interested in beating us than them.

Until our defense proves otherwise, it should be presumed they will be excellent.

by jtothep on Aug 20, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two decades and eleven losing seasons from now...

My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 21, 2010 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

barely won 1 out of the last 1

does the barely work for ND, too, when talking about delusion?

"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."

-J.V.Pa.

by psume06 on Aug 22, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I get that everyone wants to protect zOMG THE GAME, but instead of focusing on creating divisions solely based off one game, why not just protect that game?

Instead of a de facto East-West split, why not a de facto North-South split:

North
Michigan
Michigan St
Iowa
Northwestern
Minnesota
Wisconsin

South
Penn State
Ohio State
Indiana
Illinois
Purdue
Nebraska

8 conference games = 5 intra-division games, 1 protected game, and 2 rotating opponents from the other division.

Protected games (to be played each year):
Penn State – Wisconsin
Ohio State – Michigan
Indiana – Michigan St
Illinois – Northwestern
Purdue – Minnesota
Nebraska – Iowa

By my count, the only trophy that gets lost is the Land Grant (who cares) and the disappointment of not getting to beat Michigan every year. Not to mention this is relatively equal split competitively with Iowa, Wisconsin, and Michigan (probably, maybe at some point returning to relevance) in North and Penn State, Ohio State, and Nebraska in the South.

Issues?

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by Jon Harrington on Aug 20, 2010 1:33 PM EDT reply actions  

One more thing

These guys are really full of themselves if they think UM and OSU are going to meet in the CCG any more than once a decade. This isn’t the Big Two/Little Eight anymore. Between UNL/PSU/Iowa/UW and then the rest of the schools who make runs every once in a while, one of those two teams (OSU/UM) is going to get picked off most years.

by PSU Mudder on Aug 20, 2010 1:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Yep.

In 14 years, Nebraska and Oklahoma played in the title game ONCE. The ACC has never had a FSU-UM title game.

The goal will be to get UM and OSU in the title game, but it may only happen 2-3 times per decade.

by Aaron Musfeldt on Aug 20, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That sort of matchup is impossible

in anything except WOMEN’S basketball

because Wolverine men’s basketball AND football are equally terrible.

My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
"Right, a ball of hot flaming gas that collapses upon itself." -Doctor Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 20, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a Michigan fan, a suggestion:

Don’t read the Detroit Free Press. Rosenberg and Sharp particularly. They are not intelligent beings. Rosenberg is also accused of punching dolphins. You can’t support people who support dolphins!

I’d like to keep everything geographical. Having PSU, OSU, UM, and MSU in a division makes too much sense both geographically and for rivalries. Let Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Nebraska be the four core members of the other side. It’s not the most competitive, at least looking at the long term, but it’s not that ridiculous looking at the current balance of power. [shoots self in the foot]

by formerlyanonymous on Aug 20, 2010 1:50 PM EDT reply actions  

ok, what's the story with your new sig?

Until our defense proves otherwise, it should be presumed they will be excellent.

by jtothep on Aug 20, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's still got "it".

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Aug 20, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

this

Joe Paterno - Not Unlike Hugh Hefner

by letsgopsu on Aug 20, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to nitpick but

Penn State cares way more about its game with Ohio State, a matchup that has decided the Big Ten BCS bid the last five years

Technically not true.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Aug 20, 2010 3:55 PM EDT reply actions  

That's more like totally untrue...

It’s decided the Big Ten title two out of the last five years.

What would Joe Paterno do?

by jesse. on Aug 20, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

A better thing to say would be that the PSU-OSU game has had more conference title implications than OSU-UM in the last 5 years.

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by 06Lion on Aug 20, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or about a third of the league's history WITH Penn State in it.

Fairly significant chunk of time.

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by 06Lion on Aug 20, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

"It’s decided the Big Ten title two out of the last five years."

It’s never decided anything! Those jerks just claim the title anyway. I read this in rival’s top 120 today and it displeased me:

2. Ohio State
Ohio State has won five straight Big Ten titles, and the Buckeyes are a good bet to capture a sixth league title in a row. But they’re not satisfied. They want a national championship.

That just totally chaps my ass. And we’re 19th.

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Aug 20, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

They've won or "shared" the conference title the last five seasons.

But the years the Buckeyes “shared” the conference title, they lost to Penn State. Can any other school say that?

My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
"Right, a ball of hot flaming gas that collapses upon itself." -Doctor Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 21, 2010 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

"They've won or "shared" the conference title the last five seasons."

I will be getting over my bitterness about sharing titles since theis era is coming to an end! I can’t believe the conference is evolving so soon but I like it!

Since you’re a fan of an older B10 school, can you ever remember such a thing? I would think it’s happened a couple other times in league history. A team that has a better overall record and a head on win ties another team. I would think maybe scum and osu have done it in the past at least.

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Aug 21, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Michigan AND Ohio State tied Wisconsin in 1998

And Wisconsin went to the Rose Bowl.

Ohio State literally tied Wisconsin in 1993, and Wisconsin went to the Rose Bowl because Michigan shut out Ohio State 28-0 and Wisconsin hadn’t been to Pasadena in 31 years…

My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
"Right, a ball of hot flaming gas that collapses upon itself." -Doctor Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 21, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Fugi has a tendency to type faster than he thinks sometimes.

by BSD on Aug 20, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know the feeling all to well.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Aug 20, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha!

/irony’d

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Aug 20, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem with UM-tOSU and PSU-NU split....

Is that the assumption continues to be that Michigan is still one of the dominant powers in college football while currently they are not and in fact they are a doormat on the level of IU. Maybe they will return to their former glory, but then again maybe not. A conference that has one division that includes PSU, Nebraska, Iowa and Wisconsin and Minnesota and another division comprised of Ohio State, Michigan, MSU, Purdue, IU is completely lopsided from a current competitive standpoint with the teams in the west facing a far more difficult schedule to get to the championship game than the teams in the east. It would be no different than the Big 12 South and Big 12 North debacle.

Also, it appears that no one is even remotely respecting the rivalry the states of Ohio and Pennsylvania have with each other. I would argue that is just as big a rivalry as Michigan has with Ohio, if not even bigger. From a pro football standpoint, how much do Bengals or Browns fans care about playing the Lions? How much do those same fans care about playing the Steelers?

by catesinator on Aug 20, 2010 4:56 PM EDT reply actions  

but don't you see?

Nebraska’s only Big Ten border state is Iowa, so they HAVE to stay together. Penn State, they have Ohio, and then if you’re willing to take a boat, and are REALLY precise with your boating skills you can sail into lake Erie, straddle the US/Canada border, and then wind up in Michigan territory.

Oh yeah, but we’re not gonna let them be in the same division as any team from that state, either. Well, hmm, then.

Ohio is a fake state, so I guess that puts us in a de facto border with Indiana. So I guess Indiana or Purdue would be cool. Oh, we don’t get either of them? Man, this is tricky.

Ok, well the next state over from that is Illinois, and the closest team is Northwestern, so we’ll have to get them…oh…we get Illinois. I see.

by The JuggerNitt on Aug 20, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ever wonder...

If Ohio State would have such an easy time keeping the eyes of that entire state on them if either the Browns or the Bengals had a pulse? Or in the alternative, would Penn State be more popular if the Steelers and the Eagles had combined for exactly two playoff losses in 20 years?

What would Joe Paterno do?

by jesse. on Aug 20, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love the enthusiasm...

But, actually, the Bunguls lost to the NYJ last season, so that was three in twenty. Also, the first one not caused by the Steelers.

I do, however, love that the last two clown post seasons have been canceled by Pittsburgh, in both 2003 (new expansion clowns) and 1995 (old, Modell loser clowns).

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by DeonButler_WE ARE_PENN STATE on Aug 25, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why not just put the six most successful teams in one division?

Ohio State, Nebraska, Michigan, Iowa, Wisconsin, and Penn State in one.

Michigan State, Northwestern, Indiana, Illinois, Minnesota, and Purdue in the other. The conference game will be weak, but it will make for a heck of a regular season.

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by Cairo on Aug 20, 2010 6:41 PM EDT reply actions  

There's some way to make your site's name a link

But I don’t remember.

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by ReadingRambler on Aug 20, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey Cairo, this is off the subject,

but are you the joepasdoghouse author who is from Missouri? If that’s the case, I’ve been pronouncing your name wrong this whole time (If you’re the one from Missouri, you’ll get it)!

For the glory

by Paige2PSU on Aug 20, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still on record for not caring about "rivalry" games.

As long as something completely unfair doesn’t happen, like the pure east/west with PSU out west, who cares how the division play out and if any games are protected?

Here’s a recipe for how to guarantee playing the best teams:

Step 1) Win your own division
Step 2) Then you will play in the CCG

What’s so hard about that? When you earn a crack at the top teams, you will get it? In fact, if OSU sustains it’s success, I’d rather be in another division and NOT play them in the regular season. That way if we win our division, the CCG is not a rematch, and the CCG winner is more of a legit champion in that scenario (in my mind).

by PSUinBOSSton on Aug 20, 2010 6:54 PM EDT reply actions  

That way if we win our division, the CCG is not a rematch, and the CCG winner is more of a legit champion in that scenario (in my mind).

Prior to expansion when my ACC coworkers would complain that the Big 10 needed to add a team and get a championship game “because it was unfair that they consistently get 2 teams in the BCS”, that was one of my arguments against a CCG. In some years, it proves absolutely nothing. Virginia Tech lost two straight regular season games to Boston College, only to get another crack at them in the CCG. That regular season game lost a measure of importance, because all they had to do was be better than the 5 other teams in their division, not all 11 other teams in the conference, to get a redemption shot at the championship.

And I’m still not sold that a 12th team and a conference championship game decides anything more definitively than our current (until next year) configuration.

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by 06Lion on Aug 20, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're not sold on it because it doesn't.

Especially with a small sample size like a CFB schedule.

How are teams going to like it if they lose in the CCG to a team they beat in the regular season? How about beating a cross-divisional team in the regular season, having a better overall record, better conference record, and stronger OOC wins?

Why does calling the game, “Championship” sanitize it from criticism?

by PSUinBOSSton on Aug 20, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

It doesn't.

And it shouldn’t. But for some reason, nobody really critiques it. I guess any losses a la Boston College’s to Va Tech in the CCG the last few years just gets chalked up to “this loss counts more than your earlier win because this one REALLY matters”? I don’t know. All I do know is that Jim Delaney gets to add a deep end to his big swimming pool of gold coins now.

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by 06Lion on Aug 20, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

In the same line of thinking

why are any playoffs or championship games more important? Look at a few years ago in the NFL, the Patriots won more games that year than the Giants did, but the Giants won the Super Bowl.

by The JuggerNitt on Aug 21, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

All that matters is "tonight"
“One game. If we played them ten times, they might win nine. But not this game. Not tonight.”

if you want to be the better team you have to win all ten of those games.

"They say in Happy Valley that if God wasn’t a Penn State fan, why is the sky blue and white?" Fortt said. "Who am I to argue with God?"

by amandakt on Aug 21, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Divisions are a different feel.

Look at Texas-Oklahoma. They are in the same division. If we assume that Texas beats Oklahoma then in order to make the conference championship game, Oklahoma would need Texas to lose two conference games. That assumes OU goes undefeated the rest of the way. In round robin, you can lose to the big dog and still “share” a conference title by going undefeated and with the team you lost to losing only one game.

In divisional play, head-to-heads with your own division are so important. If you win all of the games against divisional opponents, you can lose one game (usually 2) versus the other division and still make the championship game.

by Aaron Musfeldt on Aug 21, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

or Oklahoma could just hope that Texas loses to a team that Oklahoma beats

and that all three have only the one loss, and that some archaic formula pronounces Oklahoma the better team

by The JuggerNitt on Aug 21, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still on record for not caring about “rivalry” games.

Then what is it that draws you to college football?

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Aug 21, 2010 4:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

This

Just begging for a photoshop of Delaney and Scrooge McDuck.

by SarcasmJam on Aug 20, 2010 8:48 PM EDT reply actions  

I hate that picture because it's John L. Smith

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by psuphiman80 on Aug 20, 2010 10:10 PM EDT reply actions  

You can call it a rivalry...

but it doesn’t make it so.

No one really cares about the MSU game because MSU is never in the hunt for anything and the game has never been all that “big.” I am far more concerned with the OSU game and now the Iowa game, and watching PSU’s beating of a broken-down Michigan at the big house last year was more fun than I’ve ever had watching the MSU game.

The only real concern for me would be the Big Ten getting frozen out of the BCS championship game because the BT champ didn’t run the gamut of the conference.

by Timothy English on Aug 21, 2010 7:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Honestly, MSU are a joke, as is the "rivarly"

I started attending Penn State in ’91, and I remember trying to be sold that this was indeed a rivalry when PSU was sold into this bogus trophy in 1993. What a freaking joke! A 13-5 record owned by Penn State since this “rivalry” became official in ’93 speaks for itself. To me, it was always “Oh, Penn State has to finish their season and win another trophy against the condoms”. Big deal, go away, continue to lose to Notre Dame and Michigan, MSU, NO-ONE-CARES.

As many on here have posted, Ohio State is THE rivalry. I loathe them, passionately. When I was a kid, it was Pitt who were sh!t, now it’s OSU.

I enjoy watching them lose at every chance, choking in BCS titles and even losing in basketball. I enjoy watching their “graduates” become thugs when they leave for the NFL or Clarett it into jail time. There is no one I love to hate more!

Ask the players if it was a rivalry in ‘94, ’05 and ’08 when Penn State beat them for those Big Ten titles (shared my ass). I’m sure they will tell you it is.

We're going to get the ball, and we're gonna score...

by DeonButler_WE ARE_PENN STATE on Aug 24, 2010 11:56 PM EDT reply actions  

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