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Message From Lou Prato

BSD: During our discussion with Lou Prato last week, Lou told a story involving Mike Ditka, Pitt, and a motel room. Well, he had a chance to talk to Joe Paterno this past weekend and got the story straight from the legend's mouth. So he asked me to pass along this message to all of you.

I wanted to follow up my two-part chat with you on Back Shoes Diaries to correct something that was discussed by some of your readers in the comments following our chats.

I mentioned Mike Ditka being involved in a recruiting struggle between Penn State and Pitt when Joe Paterno was an assistant coach and trying to recruit Ditka. I wrote that as part of the recruiting battle, Pitt once hid Ditka in a motel room so Paterno and other Penn State coaches could not contact him.  I was wrong. It was a different recruit from Western Pennsylvania and also involved Penn State’s longest living member of the College Football Hall of Fame, Richie Lucas.

I saw Coach Paterno Saturday evening and asked him about the motel room incident. He said it was not with Ditka in 1956-57 but with a quarterback from Bethel High School named Jerry Eisman, who was the No.1 prospect in the state the previous year.  While Joe was looking at film (yes, film back then) of Eisman’s games he was impressed by a quarterback for a Bethel opponent, Glassport. That was Richie Lucas. Paterno and Penn State’s head coach, Rip Engle, decided to offer both Eisman and Lucas scholarships, as well as a scholarship to a third highly-rated Pennsylvania quarterback, Ross Fichtner of McKeesport.

Pitt was after all three quarterbacks, too.  Unlike recruiting these days, commitments were not in writing and there was no official signing day. Recruiting went on right up until the player enrolled or reported for preseason practice and that produced a lot of behind the scene shenanigans.  Sometime in this period Pitt tried to keep all the other colleges away from Eisman by putting him up in motel. As the recruiting intensified over the summer, Eisman told Paterno he was coming to Penn State and Fichtner indicated he was going to Miami of Florida. Richie was also leaning towards Penn State.   Then Eisman changed his mind and went to Kentucky. Fichtner also switched, to Purdue, but Richie stayed with Penn State.

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Joe wrote about this recruiting situation in his 1989 book, Paterno: By The Book, and it’s also included in the 1971 book, Paterno: Football My Way, by Merv Hyman and Gordon White. But there is no mention of the motel in either version.

Of course, Richie went on to be a first team All-American and finished second in the Heisman Trophy race in 1959 to LSU’s Billy Cannon, but he did win the Maxwell Trophy. Richie was the No. 1 draft choice of the Washington Redskins, but they wanted him to play defensive back and he wanted to play quarterback. So he signed with the Buffalo Bills team in the new, rival American Football League. Unfortunately, an injury ended Richie’s pro career early. For years he was Penn State’s ticket manager and then an associate athletic director. Richie is now retired and still residing in State College.

Eisman went to Kentucky and faded into obscurity on three mediocre Kentucky teams, but later was Kentucky’ quarterback coach and offensive coordinator in the 1980s. Fichtner became a starting quarterback at Purdue following future Pro Football Hall of Famer Len Dawson and then a standout cornerback for the Cleveland Browns for nearly a decade. He was so good that he was the cover boy of a 1966 Sports Illustrated story entitled, "Pro Football’s Best Defenders."

Sorry for my bungle on the motel story. However, you can see that recruiting was just as bizarre fifty years ago as it is today and maybe more so.

Lou

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Are we talking about Bethel PARK High School?

Adam
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by Adam Bittner on Aug 3, 2010 10:44 AM EDT reply actions  

It has to be

There’s only one “Bethel” in western PA and that’s Bethel Park.

BLAWKHAWKS BABY.

This is hands down the coolest Bethel Park story evar.

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by Adam Bittner on Aug 3, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Other than, you know, winning the WPIAL

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by Adam Bittner on Aug 3, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Correct,

You’ll find that most “cool” things either turnaround or die somewhere on Route 51 on their way to Bethel Park.

What do you say when you want a pretzel? MICHIGAN SUCKS!

by jesse. on Aug 3, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think pretty much everything dies on Route 51

Regardless of where it’s going.

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by Adam Bittner on Aug 3, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Players waiting so long to commit reminds me of another Western PA QB

This guy was a top recruit, arguably the most sought after player in the country.

He widdled his choices down to Penn State, Ohio State, and Pitt, and then waited until after the state basketball championships, which happened to be at PSU, to declare his college choice.

He chose OSU, and Penn State fans were so burned by the experience—and by some of his offhand comments about the rural nature of Central PA—that they refused to give him any credit, even after he won 1.5 big ten championships and a rose bowl as a freshman and sophmore qb.

The PSU faithful protested so much about the hype before his breakout junior year that they looked like amateurish and blind homers.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Aug 3, 2010 11:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Rad

Nobody makes me bleed my own blood, Nobody!

by tlrpsu on Aug 3, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's cool, I guess brah.

We’re, like, all entitled to your opinions and stuff, brah. But if you support Fugi in his ridiculous argument that Pryor has been better than Robinson I’ll have to shave your belly with a rusty razor and bedazzle your Ohio State jersey.

Friend of the Pants since 2009.

by ReadingRambler on Aug 3, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think that TP has had a better year than MRob in '05

but he still has at least another year to go

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Aug 3, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

The PSU faithful protested so much about the hype before his breakout junior year that they looked like amateurish and blind homers.

Indeed we did protest about the hype before his breakout junior year which hasn’t happened yet. Daryll Clark wins offensive POTY in 2008, returns for senior season in 2009. Terrelle Pryor wins preseason offensive POTY for 2009. John Clay wins offensive POTY in 2009, returns for another season in 2010. Terrelle Pryor wins preseason offensive POTY in 2010.

Why do you feel Pryor will have a breakout junior year? That’s your opinion, I generally respect your opinions. For the record, I won’t make any prediction on Pryor’s performance this year. I have no idea how well he will play. He certainly has the talent to have a great year, but he has only demonstrated one game of sustained good play, and even in that game he had moments of poor throwing motions, poor reads, and bad throws. I wouldn’t be surprised if he does well, but I won’t be surprised if he’s average again. I cannot simply assume the hype is correct when it’s just that: hype based with only one game backing it up.

Friend of the Pants since 2009.

by ReadingRambler on Aug 3, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

here's my general position on TP

I think that he is in the process of becoming a very good—but probably never a great—college football player. (Very unclear what kind of a pro he will be—could be hall of fame, could be a total bust.) If he stays for his senior year, the smart money is to bet that he goes 3-1 lifetime against PSU.

I agree that its somewhat absurd that TP gets the preseason POY award—but I couldn’t care less about the PPOY award. It’s just as stupid as preseason polls, except that it never matters—whereas the polls, unfortunately, do.

I think the prudent move for the BSD and PSU faithful would be to laugh and walk along. Getting into a fight in which we’re constantly berating TP is a dumb gamble. Maybe he’ll never score another TD in his life, but the fact is—he’s very physically talented and is working with a solid coaching staff. He’ll probably be very good, and almost definitely will leave OSU with a winning record against PSU.

I think that he’ll have a breakout year b/c he should be much more mature now—I’m guessing he’s 20 or 21 and has had almost two full years to learn the ropes.

We like to make fun of his throwing motion, but his biggest problem is decision making—he doesn’t know when to pass, when to throw it away, and when to run. That’s a common mistake for young qb’s and it’s likely that as his experience grows, so too will his decision-making ability.

He’s not getting any worse, and he had a good—B or B+—SOPHMORE year. As a junior, I expect him to get better, and if he just improves to an A, I think that’s fair to call it a breakout year.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Aug 3, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think we are getting TP obsessed

this post is about Mr. Prato explaining a significant part of PSU history, and we have somehow again turned the comments into MRob is better than TP, who is a weak POTY choice.

While I agree with that sentiment, i disagree the argument belongs here.

by swiggy04 on Aug 3, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

Nobody makes me bleed my own blood, Nobody!

by tlrpsu on Aug 3, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

didn't want to highjack the post

and i apologize if i did—though i don’t think i did.

I agree that TP obsession is bad. He’s the enemy: we should know and respect him, but obsession isn’t constructive. I was actually trying to make that point, though in a round-about way.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Aug 3, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok. We've both made our points here.

The PSU and OSU blogs have exploded, what with last night’s thread and a recent post on the Buckeye Battle Cry making fun of us whiny PSU fans and JoePa because he uses diapers or something.

I think we should move on to more important things:

Also, thanks to Lou Prato for his constant service in the cause of the common PSU fan.

Friend of the Pants since 2009.

by ReadingRambler on Aug 3, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree that this may

be his breakout year. The guy he’s most compared to, Vince Young, was decent but not spectacular his first two years. Then in his junior year he was sensational in leading the Longhorns to the mythical national title.

Pryor has all the tools that Young has and is actually probably more talented. He has a very good team around him with good coaches and plays in a good conference. It seems things are lining up for him to have an excellent year.

by J Breezy on Aug 3, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Until he breaks out

He remains “All Time Preseason Award Winner Terelle Pryor”

by PSU Mudder on Aug 3, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very interesting....

I really enjoy hearing recruiting stories from “the old days” before there were a lot of rules and regulations. It must have been like the wild West days of recruiting. I’m sure there are tons of stories like this.

I never intended to cause such a fuss when I questioned the Ditka story. And I never meant it as a shot at Mr. Prato. I was just confused by it because it was different from what I heard Ditka say about his recruiting and ultimately deciding on Pitt. To bad he changed his mind (Joe did have him sold on PSU until, like Herbie the elf, he decided he wanted to be a dentist) – he would’ve been great to have had at PSU.

Mr. Prato…I enjoy your stories immensely and probably didn’t come off very diplomatically in the earlier Ditka discussion. Please know that I meant no offense at all and accept my apology if any was inferred.

by J Breezy on Aug 3, 2010 12:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for the update, Lou

Good to know there remains interest in accurate reporting these days, even about a story from 50 years ago.

Ohio State has the worst fans in the Big Ten. Bar none. And it’s not even close. Humorless in defeat. Condescending in victory. Generally insecure all the time. I’ve partied and had fun with fans of every team in this league, save Ohio State.

by jtothep on Aug 3, 2010 11:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I still can't imagine remembering things like this at Paterno's age.

So much went down over the years, and he seemingly remembers every snap.

by tlrpsu on Aug 3, 2010 11:18 PM EDT reply actions  

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