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Big Ten Divisions Being Announced Tonight


It's going down tonight. I just recieved this notice from the Big Ten Network moments ago.

BIG TEN NETWORK TO AIR ANNOUNCEMENT
OF BIG TEN FOOTBALL DIVISIONS
Commissioner Jim Delany to appear exclusively on 90-minute special
 
 
CHICAGO – The Big Ten Network will air the official live announcement of the Big Ten football divisions with Commissioner Jim Delany at 7 p.m. ET tonight.  The show will also be streamed live at BigTenNetwork.com
 
Lead studio host Dave Revsine will host the football special and be joined by analysts Gerry DiNardo and Howard Griffith. Confirmed guests will include athletic directors David Brandon of Michigan, Mark Hollis of Michigan State, Gene Smith of Ohio State, Tom Osborne of Nebraska, and other Big Ten Network analysts.

UPDATE: ESPN is reporting the divisions will be split as follows.

Division 1

Division 2

Michigan Ohio State
Nebraska Penn State
Iowa Wisconsin
Michigan State          Purdue
Northwestern Indiana
Minnesota Illinois

There is no word at this time on what the protected rivalries would look like, though we can assume Michigan and Ohio State will be paired up. Splitting up Minnesota and Wisconsin would be a travesty as well. Northwestern versus Illinois makes sense. The big question Penn State fans want to know is if we will get paired with Nebraska, Iowa, or get stuck with Michigan State for the next one hundred years.

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ANdy Katz

Is saying on ESPN that the divisions are: UM, Iowa, Nebraska, MSU, Minny, jNW VERSUS tOSU, PSU, Wisky, Ill, Purdue, Indy.

I’m okay with this so long as Neb or Iowa is our protected game.

Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.

by Roland86 on Sep 1, 2010 2:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Just saw this on ESPN myself

Still digesting the rumored split. First reaction: I like it. My only real concern is that the bottom half of our division is significantly lighter than the bottom half of the opposite division.

I still think it will be a mistake in the long term to separate Michigan and OSU. I also can’t imagine that Wisconsin’s happy about Nebraska, Iowa, and Minnesota all being in the opposite division. In my eyes, those moves threaten the kind of long-standing traditions that have kept the conference so strong for so long. But, as a PSU fan, such matters are of secondary concern to me.

by newenglandnittanylion on Sep 1, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know.

We only get one of what I would consider our top five rivals (Ohio State, Michigan, Nebraska, Iowa, and Michigan State). Although I guess that could change when they announce cross divisional rivalries.

But on the plus side, I will enjoy taking Michigan’s place as the last regular season game of the year against Ohio State. I wonder if they will continue to say we don’t have a rivalry.

by VVeRPennState on Sep 1, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

We can't get everything we want

Everyone is going to have to sacrifice something.

by BSD on Sep 1, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Knock on wood...

If we don’t get a better rivalry game out of this, I’ll be kind of pissed.

by dawsonPSU10 on Sep 1, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

And that's it?

You’re lucky.

For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
The various schools of the Big Ten should let Ohio State and Michigan know in no uncertain terms that dissent will NOT be tolerated.
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 1, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry

OSU vs Mich is going to be the last game of the year still.

Also, MSU is going to be our protected game.

@collegiatestdms

by JGuiher on Sep 1, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cross Divisional Games

as the last games of the season?! I highly doubt that.

by PSU Mudder on Sep 1, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

well

we will see who is right ;)

@collegiatestdms

by JGuiher on Sep 1, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well the problem is we don’t have rivals…we have teams we don’t like but none of those teams really seem to consider Penn State their rival. I hope this allows for us to develop a rivalry with someone. Either in division or from the other division in one of the protected games.

Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!

by EREX21 on Sep 1, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm okay with that

I think Iowa and Wisky will be protected and we will get Nebraska. If they are serious about competitive balance and they pair up UM-OSU, then PSU-Neb makes sense to keep things even.

by BSD on Sep 1, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wisconsin will definitely get Minnesota IMHO, not Iowa. No way the Badgers give up playing the Gophers.

by Laaaaazzz on Sep 1, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

me too

I mean, other than possibly the Stanley Cup, is there a cooler trophy in sports than Paul Bunyan’s Axe?

Let's Go State!

by Gopher Broke on Sep 1, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like it.

I would have loved to play Iowa every year, but Wisconsin is still a pretty good football team.

Indiana….ugh.

Joe

by QBsneak12 on Sep 1, 2010 2:13 PM EDT reply actions  

re: Wisconsin

Maybe Joe’s desire to destroy Brent (yes, I know his real name) Bielema into oblivion until he’s fired will keep him going for the next 10 years (assuming Brent lasts that long, I’d really enjoy another 2008-esque meltdown.

by dawsonPSU10 on Sep 1, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you mean Little Bertie?

Somewhere there is a cedar chest full of Penguin sweater vests.
Beat Youngstown State.

by jesse. on Sep 1, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

2008: Worst Wisconsin team in 7 years

You won’t get THAT lucky.

For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
The various schools of the Big Ten should let Ohio State and Michigan know in no uncertain terms that dissent will NOT be tolerated.
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 1, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except of course, 2007

When the worst PSU team in the last 5 years beat Wiscy 34-7

by Frank O'Brien on Sep 1, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I blame No. 14.

He had his best game of the season that day. And PJ Hill let everyone know he was declining with that fumble on the first drive (maybe even the first play!).

Of course, I remember Marcus Randle El punching someone…

For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
The various schools of the Big Ten should let Ohio State and Michigan know in no uncertain terms that dissent will NOT be tolerated.
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 1, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was a strange game.

Your kid fumbled on the first posession and then your whole squad just died. I never understood that. One of my favorite things that ever happens in college football is when I get all psyched for a tough game and Penn State wins in a romp. Unexpected treats are great.

But these kids are forgetting the 1995 game at Beaver Stadium when Wisconsin broke our 20 game win streak (with a four win team if memory serves). Generic Wisconsin Quarterback A, handed the ball off to generic Wisconsin tailback B for three yards a play. Every play. For the entire game. One of more groan enducing games I’ve ever been too.

But Paterno is going to beat on Little Bertie ‘till the day he dies over that field goal thing. At which point he’s going to haunt the shit out of him.

Somewhere there is a cedar chest full of Penguin sweater vests.
Beat Youngstown State.

by jesse. on Sep 1, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

These kids don't remember that game.

JoePa emulated LeBron James and ripped the highlights from Youtube so the 1995 defense could rest in peace.

For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
The various schools of the Big Ten should let Ohio State and Michigan know in no uncertain terms that dissent will NOT be tolerated.
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 1, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

There weren't any highlites.

It was nothing but dive plays and option keepers for four quarters.

Somewhere there is a cedar chest full of Penguin sweater vests.
Beat Youngstown State.

by jesse. on Sep 1, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

How would Darrell Bevell become the leading passer in Wisconsin history with that sort of gameplan?

Clearly, there were some changes from 93 to 95. I mean, 93 rocked, but it would have been much, much better had Wisconsin beat Ohio State (14-14 tie, the year before ties were abolished.)

For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
The various schools of the Big Ten should let Ohio State and Michigan know in no uncertain terms that dissent will NOT be tolerated.
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 1, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

PJ Hill is right up there with Anthony Davis

on my list of most hated Wisconsin players. The kid just could NOT stay healthy. You’d touch him and he’d go to the sideline with a bruise. Seriously, he dragged the Badgers down in too many high profile situations for him to be remembered as one of the great Wisconsin tailbacks.

For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
The various schools of the Big Ten should let Ohio State and Michigan know in no uncertain terms that dissent will NOT be tolerated.
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 1, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't hate someone for being hurt

Disappointed, sure, but not mad. Injuries are out of anyone’s control, they just happen.

by dawsonPSU10 on Sep 1, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

He just couldn't stay healthy.

It was extremely annoying. He had 1500 yards one season, and nicks and bruises felled him in his tracks.

For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
The various schools of the Big Ten should let Ohio State and Michigan know in no uncertain terms that dissent will NOT be tolerated.
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 1, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

It wasn't a field goal, it was running offsides twice on a kick-off to purposefully run down the clock.

It was legal because of the new rule change, but it was a shitty, unsportsmanlike thing to do. And then Craig James insults JoePa for getting angry about it.

For the glory

by Paige2PSU on Sep 1, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

James

insults lots of people because he insults anyone smarter than him.

@collegiatestdms

by JGuiher on Sep 1, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

He insulted a Wisconsin team with RON DAYNE before the 99 Rose Bowl.

The end result was completely hilarious.

For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
The various schools of the Big Ten should let Ohio State and Michigan know in no uncertain terms that dissent will NOT be tolerated.
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 1, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or 2005?

35-14 when you had Alvarez?

"Trouble is; I want that fourth carrier!"

by ReadingRambler on Sep 1, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

2005 Wisconsin defended the Big Ten's honor against the SEC.

It was an ugly loss. How about that Mario Manningham kid? (I hate him)

For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
The various schools of the Big Ten should let Ohio State and Michigan know in no uncertain terms that dissent will NOT be tolerated.
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 1, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's the only good thing about Michigan

The rest of us have some common ground in our disdain.

by Frank O'Brien on Sep 1, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

EVERYONE hates Michigan.

They’re the ones fouling this up.

We could have had a clean, geographic split with:
Wisconsin, Northwestern, Minnesota, Nebraska, Illinois, and Iowa, but NOOO… Michigan had to screw it up.

I hate Manningham for the horrible Wisconsin-Michigan game in 2006. Michigan went to the Rose Bowl (and LOST) and Wisconsin got screwed.

For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
The various schools of the Big Ten should let Ohio State and Michigan know in no uncertain terms that dissent will NOT be tolerated.
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 1, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

2005: the only team Penn State didn't beat (thanks to a magical 2 seconds)

was Michigan.

And Michigan SUCKED in 2005. Without those two extra seconds, they go to DETROIT for their bowl game (which they’d likely LOSE).

For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
The various schools of the Big Ten should let Ohio State and Michigan know in no uncertain terms that dissent will NOT be tolerated.
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 1, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a little nervous

that MSU could be the crossover, given that it’s already a “rivalry.” Hopefully the B10 wisens up and matches us up with Nebraska or Iowa.

by tomatpsu on Sep 1, 2010 2:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Thats my only fear.

I wouldn’t mind keeping them if there was 2 protected rivalries, but I doubt that happens. I would think that if the bigtwelven will be smart enough to maximize big game potential and give us Nebraska

Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.

by Roland86 on Sep 1, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nebraska

i gotta believe we get one of the Big 3 in the other divison for our rival…

OSU vs. Mich
Wisconsin vs. Iowa
Penn State vs. Nebraska

Joe

by QBsneak12 on Sep 1, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

ESPN seems to think

Wisconsin’s crossover is Minnesota.

by tomatpsu on Sep 1, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

As it should be: Wisconsin/Minnesota is the longest played series in 1-A football. Neither team would want to lose that.

I’m sure Wisconsin would want to be playing Iowa as well, but they won’t be dropping Minnesota. Wisconsin is the team that really gets screwed with this alignment.

by Laaaaazzz on Sep 1, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately, alien pods have taken over Jim Delaney and left him susceptible to unbelievable stupidity from Michigan Athletic Directors.

At least, that’s my theory. Anyone else have one?

For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
The various schools of the Big Ten should let Ohio State and Michigan know in no uncertain terms that dissent will NOT be tolerated.
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 1, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

This just made the PSU/OSU rivalry way more intense. I wonder if this game will become the final regular season game for both teams.

by psu_all_day on Sep 1, 2010 2:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I hope not.

No 8pm kickoffs in November per Big 10 rules. I would rather have last weekend in October so we can have a night game, something that makes for a great atmosphere.

Joe

by QBsneak12 on Sep 1, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

this i agree with.

I was worried too about them moving away from the night games with OSU. I know OSU hates playing at night at PSU.

by BMAN13 on Sep 1, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know

There are rumors out there that UM and OSU will still get to play the last game of the year. I think that’s kind of dumb if so. Nobody should have to play a team outside of their division on the last game to avoid a rematch the following week.

by BSD on Sep 1, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought this got nipped in the bud already

Why is it coming back now?

Somewhere there is a cedar chest full of Penguin sweater vests.
Beat Youngstown State.

by jesse. on Sep 1, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bad news: It happened.

My hatred of Michigan knows no bounds. Even more so after this travesty.
September 1st, 2010. A day that shall live in infamy.
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 2, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because OSU and UM fans pitched a fit over it, so it’s a compromise to make them happy. We’ll just have to pucker up and swallow it if they ever meet in the championship game the following week.

by BSD on Sep 1, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aren't they already compromising with them by putting them in different divisions?

I swore I wasn’t going to get into this until the actual announcement dammit! I need to stop!

For the glory

by Paige2PSU on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

They wanted same divisions so they didn’t have to play twice.

by BSD on Sep 1, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

So they force a situation where if they play twice it's in back to back weeks.

That will be such a disaster.

Somewhere there is a cedar chest full of Penguin sweater vests.
Beat Youngstown State.

by jesse. on Sep 1, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly though

I see this happening once every 20 years.

by BSD on Sep 1, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

It still pisses me off.

If everybody has to give something up, and as I see it, pretty much everybody is. What exactly are Ohio State and Michigan giving up. Ohio State gets us, and Michigan, exactly where they want them. Michigan gets to add Nebraska, and they even get to keep Minnesota for christ sake.

They want to play at end of the year. Check. They want to be able to play for the Big Ten title. Check.

Where is the friggin’ concession? Why would the Big Ten agree to allow this?

Somewhere there is a cedar chest full of Penguin sweater vests.
Beat Youngstown State.

by jesse. on Sep 1, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

The concession

is that they inadvertanly crapped all over their game by trying to get everything they wanted.

by PSU Mudder on Sep 1, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like this thought.

It warms my heart to think that it might be so.

"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway

by SubLime on Sep 1, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I agree

Because UM and OSU want to play at the end of the year, the conference will have to schedule other cross divisional games that week too. It’s a pure numbers issue. So eventually we’ll get a rematch in back-to-back weeks. Then we’ll have to read all of the articles about how stupid the Big Ten is for scheduling this way, and we can all thank Michigan and Ohio State for it.

by BSD on Sep 1, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

And when it happens to them

They’ll be the loudest of the whiners.

by skarocksoi on Sep 1, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly. Look at the numbers.

The odds on favorite to win each division will be one of the three dogs in each division. How long until there is a repeat?

Someone, either here or some SEC blog, looked at the SEC and said it doesn’t happen as often as you’d think, but I’m not so sure it won’t happen with rivalry week at the end of the year.

@EpicTripod
SBN - Pittsburgh
Success With Honor

by Jeff Junstrom on Sep 1, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I checked it

I looked at the SEC, ACC, and Big XII since the year 2000.

48% of the time they had a rematch in the championship game.

10% of the time the team that won the first game lost the second game.

There was no instance where two teams met in back-to-back weeks, but then I suspect the other conferences schedule so they don’t have cross division games in the final week to avoid this. And they aren’t hung up on playing their rival in the final week of the season either.

by BSD on Sep 1, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, 48%? That's higher than I imagined.

Though with six legitimate contenders (and an outlier here and there), that makes sense.

But like you said, since UM/OSU HAVE to have their game at the end, that means that PSU/NEB will have theirs at the end. How frequently will those games go back to back?

@EpicTripod
SBN - Pittsburgh
Success With Honor

by Jeff Junstrom on Sep 1, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Should have added

The SEC had four rematches, but I don’t think they’ve had one since 2004. The higher the level of overall talent and the more powerful teams you have in your conference, it seemed like the less likely you were to have a rematch. Rematches typically happen when you have one weak division where the winner probably has three conference losses.

by BSD on Sep 1, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just can't wait for some scenario

where OSU and Michgan play their noon game, and say OSU beats Michigan, and then PSU Nebraska is on at 3:30, and PSU’s fate is completely sealed, win or lose, but if Nebraska wins, then they’d have a better record than (or tied record with a tiebreaker against) Michigan, and would prevent the OSU/Michigan rematch in the CCG.

Now I’m not saying I’d want PSU to throw that game, but that is about as close as I’d ever be to rooting for Penn State to lose.

by The JuggerNitt on Sep 1, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

And the stupidest part is

THEY’RE STILL COMPLAINING ABOUT IT!!!

by dawsonPSU10 on Sep 1, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah that is dumb

PSU/OSU should be the last regular season game for both teams. These two teams are already rivals, and both are likely to be top dogs in this division year in and year out, so having this game last makes sense because it will most likely decide who plays in the conference championship

by psu_all_day on Sep 1, 2010 2:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

That would completely suck

because we’ll end up playing Nebraska two weeks in a row.

by PSU Mudder on Sep 1, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Additionally

I’m kind of excited to hear what they’re naming these divisions.

by tomatpsu on Sep 1, 2010 2:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Whatever

Just so long as it’s not the Hayes and Schembeckler divisions.

by BSD on Sep 1, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

This legitimately worries me.

by state08 on Sep 1, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's the college football equilvalent of "moving to Canada?"

rooting for Pitt? Yeah, that might be me if they pull that.

Somewhere there is a cedar chest full of Penguin sweater vests.
Beat Youngstown State.

by jesse. on Sep 1, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will seriously cheer for an ACC team more than I will for Ohio State this season.

Wait…I do that anyway. Never mind.

For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
The various schools of the Big Ten should let Ohio State and Michigan know in no uncertain terms that dissent will NOT be tolerated.
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 1, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Da da da da da-da Delany Sucks!
Da da da da da-da Delany Sucks!
D-E-L-A-N-Y-Sucks!

"Trouble is; I want that fourth carrier!"

by ReadingRambler on Sep 1, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Start chanting.

Maybe something good will happen…

For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
The various schools of the Big Ten should let Ohio State and Michigan know in no uncertain terms that dissent will NOT be tolerated.
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 1, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can I be the one to say I got it?

Cuz I did…

"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."

-J.V.Pa.

by psume06 on Sep 1, 2010 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Let my nip this MSU/Nebraska thing in the bud

If we get paired with Nebraska, it’ll be as contrived as the Land Grant thing was when it first went down. 1982. 1994 (Didn’t even play). Whoopdeefreakingdoo. If we’re going to sit here and say we don’t have a rivalry with Pitt anymore, you can’t consciously say we have one with Nebraska.

I like the Nebraska add, but I’ve never been on board with them as a “rival,” because there’s not. We spend 20 years building something resembling a rivalry with Michigan St. If it gets flushed down the tube to start all over again with someone else, color me unimpressed.

Adam
Black Shoe Diaries, SB Nation Pittsburgh
God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...

by Adam Bittner on Sep 1, 2010 2:31 PM EDT reply actions  

But they would totally make more money than

PSU-MSU as a rivalry game. And since MSU is as much of a rival as UNL is, which do you think will happen?

by skarocksoi on Sep 1, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh

Nebraska is a traditionally good football program. Michigan St. has been on our schedule for 20 years. They’re not even comparable. People are just jacked about playing Nebraska. That doesn’t make them a rival.

Adam
Black Shoe Diaries, SB Nation Pittsburgh
God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...

by Adam Bittner on Sep 1, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK, so...

To you a rivalry=excitement over a history?

Adam
Black Shoe Diaries, SB Nation Pittsburgh
God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...

by Adam Bittner on Sep 1, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

A boring history, yeah

Any good rivalry involves passion. Pitt-WVU, Mich-OSU, etc. No matter what state the team is in that year, good or bad, you want to crush them and run them out of town. If MSU sucks that year, does anyone care about that last game. Most years we as fans go into that game saying “ok, hope this goes well so it doesn’t screw things up for us” and not “lets murder these bums”. History will come with time. After 20 years, the passion hasn’t.

by skarocksoi on Sep 1, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK well

I don’t give a crap about Nebraska. I don’t feel any passion.

Adam
Black Shoe Diaries, SB Nation Pittsburgh
God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...

by Adam Bittner on Sep 1, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's 'cause you're so young (not meant in a bad way).

If you were on campus in 1982, 1994 or 2002, you’d feel passion for Nebraska.

For the glory

by Paige2PSU on Sep 1, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't understand the 1994 thing

At all.

They won all their games. We won all of ours. The media screwed us. What did Nebraska do wrong? The won out. BFD. Misdirected anger IMO.

Adam
Black Shoe Diaries, SB Nation Pittsburgh
God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...

by Adam Bittner on Sep 1, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

They scheduled Pacific before scheduling I-AA teams was cool.

Also, Osborne seemed to be campaigning for the championship.

by Aaron PSU on Sep 1, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, the media seemed to weigh the coaches and not the polls

Tom Osbourne got the national championship because he didn’t have one already and Joe had two. I blame the media, but I also BLAME NEBRASKA!! HATE!! HATE!!! HATE!!!

For the glory

by Paige2PSU on Sep 1, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are correct

You don’t understand it.

Think of it this way: How do you feel when a Pitt guy tells you “12-0!”

by BSD on Sep 1, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Apathy

It was a meaningless game.

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by Adam Bittner on Sep 1, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alright then

Just go on telling everyone we shouldn’t care about playing Nebraska and long for the days of the Land Grant Rivalry. There’s no getting through to you.

by BSD on Sep 1, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

No I understand why people want to play Nebraska

Obviously it’d be a much bigger game, I just don’t think bigger game=bigger rivalry.

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by Adam Bittner on Sep 1, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not at first

But give it time. The MSU rivalry is dead in the water for 20 years. Time to give it up.

by BSD on Sep 1, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll give you this

The biggest reason I wanted to keep the game was that the talk for a long time was about shipping us out west, and I wanted to have at least one eastern team we have a history with on the schedule every year.

Under this split, it doesn’t really matter because we have OSU.

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by Adam Bittner on Sep 1, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

But Nebraska can become a rivalry — we have already established that playing MSU really won’t.

by Laaaaazzz on Sep 1, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

You had to be there

The whole Tom Osborne/Lawrence Phillips has a lot to do with it too. Nebraska and Tom Osborne had no class, especially after the were handed the NC. Penn State was unbelievable in 1994.

by PSUWifey on Sep 1, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kreia: Apathy is death.

For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
The various schools of the Big Ten should let Ohio State and Michigan know in no uncertain terms that dissent will NOT be tolerated.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 1, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like I said

You are in the minority here. 99% of PSU fans want to play Nebraska every year.

by BSD on Sep 1, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok

I’m pretty sure more people care about Nebraska than MSU. Thems the breaks.

This whole thing started because of money. Add another team to get a championship game to get more money. if they don’t pair up two of their most nationally recognized brand-name schools to play yearly, the B10 brass is really going half way with this whole expansion thing and would be leaving a ton of money on the table. I think that is what really drives this whole process.

by skarocksoi on Sep 1, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Back in the days of the Gold Rush.....

My Conestoga and I spent a weekend in Nebraska. It sucked.

by DerryPharmer on Sep 1, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would argue that Nebraska appears as much of a rivalry as MSU.

I don’t think of MSU as a “rival,” but more or an annual sacrifice that occasionally bites us.

"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."

-J.V.Pa.

by psume06 on Sep 1, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

We don't have a rivalry with Pitt anymore and we can start one with Nebraska

It will feel more real from the begining than MSU did, though the MSU thing has gotten good the last 10 years, at least I thought so.

by BMAN13 on Sep 1, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus

Everyone seems to point to our 2002 matchup with Nebraska as one of the best games of the past decade (and possibly of all time). What game against MSU can you agrue belongs in that category?

by skarocksoi on Sep 1, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

2008 MSU was infinitely more important than 2002 Nebraska

Not even close. Penn State had never clinched any kind of a championship at home. Maybe people got more jacked for Nebraska, but it terms of historical significance, 2008 Sparty will proved to be far more important.

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by Adam Bittner on Sep 1, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

More important in the overall picture for that year, sure

But really, who is going to remember that game in any way other than another MSU beatdown? It was cold and Dantonio is a dick? If that’s the best we can muster, is it really worth saving?

by skarocksoi on Sep 1, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn't at 2002 Nebraska, and I'll freely admit that I had a great time at 2008 MSU

But we murdered MSU. I don’t feel like looking for it, but the game can be summed up perfectly by Bowman decapitating Hoyer. The game was cold as hell, and it was a good cap to a great season, but there wasn’t any rivalry there. They were just in our way of being the best team in the B10 that year, and the result was just that.

Remember how nervous some of us were last year about MSU? What happened? Destroyed again. You’ve kind of strayed from the original counter argument by comparing game importance: who would be more exciting to play on a yearly basis, MSU or Nebraska? I’ve never seen PSU play Nebraska, but I can tell that just with a bigger name alone, they would be more interesting to play every year than MSU.

by dawsonPSU10 on Sep 1, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is begging the question, though

Sparty in 2008 was big because they were played at the end of the year as our “rivalry” game. If Nebraska was in the conference in 2008, and our last game of the year was against them, then 2008 Nebraska would have “proved to be far more important” because of our “clinched championship”.

Heck, by the same token, if Indiana was the game we clinched the title against, that would have been a “far more important” game.

When you can so easily replace the opponent, and have the meaning of the game remain intact, then the opponent isn’t actually that big of a rival.

Now take the 2002 game against Nebraska. If that was against MSU, would there have been anywhere near the intensity?

by The JuggerNitt on Sep 1, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, because for those of us who were there, it was payback for 1994.

Finally a chance to play them head to head and figure out who was better!

For the glory

by Paige2PSU on Sep 1, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course we don't have one now...

but as our premier cross divisional game, I guarantee our game won’t take as long to develop the rivalry feeling to it.

Michigan State-Second best in their own state, hideous trophy, hasn’t been consistently good since the 50’s-60’s
Nebraska-One of the top programs of all time. Rabid fanbase. 1994.

It’s “forced” for now, but this is a future that will be far brighter than playing Michigan State or Pitt. And for the first time in decades, we’ll have an end of the season game that the rest of the nation will care about as well.

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by OMEGAMAN on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry Fugi

You’re in the minority on this one. The reason the PSU-MSU always felt contrived is because there was never anything on the line when the two teams played. When Nebraska and PSU play, there will be plenty on the line. And though their history goes back 20 years, a lot of people remember those games and seasons. This will be a huge game.

by BSD on Sep 1, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's going to be on the line?

We’re not going to be in the same division.

Adam
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by Adam Bittner on Sep 1, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll believe that when I see it

I don’t think either program is at the level to be consistently competing for that.

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by Adam Bittner on Sep 1, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah but picture this

Say they kick off the first conference game every year. They both probably come in 4-0, and the winner get a major feather in their cap going forward.

by BSD on Sep 1, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK?

You could say that about Michigan, who we have a much more tortured history with. For obvious reasons, no one is talking about them as a protected rival, but who would you rather play in a vacuum? UNL or UM?

Adam
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by Adam Bittner on Sep 1, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point

But then we have to deal with Michigan fans year in and year out. I don’t think we could handle that level of smug.

by skarocksoi on Sep 1, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Nebraska will be a much "friendlier" rivalry

than Michigan could ever be (because of the scUM arrogrance and smugness..

For the glory

by Paige2PSU on Sep 1, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Which is why I don’t see it as a “rivalry,” as much as a “big game to close the season with no divisional implications.”

Adam
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by Adam Bittner on Sep 1, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it will be a rivalry, no doubt about it,

but without the same acrimony as we have for Michigan or apathy that we have for MSU. I think they have nice fans. We’re nice fans, too. That doesn’t mean I ever want them to win. Maybe the hate will develop where the fans are absolute shits to each other, but I hope not.

For the glory

by Paige2PSU on Sep 1, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well that's obvious

I’m just curious who you think is a bigger rival at the moment.

Adam
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by Adam Bittner on Sep 1, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Michigan obviously

But they are not an option as a protected rival if UM and OSU are in separate divisions. You’re moving the goal post on me.

by BSD on Sep 1, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another thought to add as well

Something else that adds to a rivalry is similarities between the two schools. OSU and Michigan were two powerhouses with deep roots in B10 history. Pitt and WVU are both from tough, blue collar areas. I realize Nebraska is more similar to a school like Iowa in terms of population, but as a Penn Stater, we see them as “the other new guy”. Like when you start a new job or go to a new school then meet another person in the same situation.

What did we have in common with MSU? That we were both Land Grant schools? Who really cares?

by skarocksoi on Sep 1, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Both the bastard rivals of OSU and UM?

The blood drive?

Adam
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by Adam Bittner on Sep 1, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

That might have been a good way to sell it had they thought of it sooner

Before each game both squads could have watched “the game” together and gotten pissed off enough to make our game much fiercer.

by skarocksoi on Sep 1, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Over 20 years

it’s gone nowhere. So why not try something new?

by PSU Mudder on Sep 1, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like you fugi...

…but sometimes I think you’re just contrary for the sake of being contrary. No one cares about the Land Grant “rivalry.” It could be because it’s contrived, but more importantly, IMO, it’s because it’s a contrived “rivalry” against a mediocre team. While it’s nice to beat MSU by 30+ and keep them out of bowl contention, I don’t view it as any different than beating NW.

Conversely, look at teams like Iowa and OSU. What history did we have with them before joining the B10? But are they important games now? Of course they are, because all three teams are traditionally good, and the games actually matter in terms of deciding the conference champion.

Now look at Nebraska. This is a team headed back towards perennial Top 15 stature. You don’t want this as the last game? You don’t want the last thing that the media/coaches/voters see is us beating a ranked team? This doesn’t give us that “sex appeal” heading into the BCS debate? You’d rather paste a conference also-ran by 30+?

Nebraska is a no-brainer in terms of forging a meaningful rivalry. 1994 is just the icing, not the cake itself…

"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."

-Tony Hunt

by Cpiritual27 on Sep 1, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is a child.

There is no way playing MSU every year is better than playing Neb every year.

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by Roland86 on Sep 1, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's cold

Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner blows Fugi’s body from there to Johannesberg

by Frank O'Brien on Sep 1, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1 Zevon reference

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by psuphiman80 on Sep 1, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right

and as a PSU fan, if you look at the schedule and circle a game, what will it be? Currently, you are just as likely to circle the NW game as you are the MSU game. Now, we could have something bigger and better to look forward to.

by skarocksoi on Sep 1, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do I want to play Nebraska?

Yes.

Do I hate Nebraska?

No.

Deep down I doubt many do. They just want to play a big game at the end of the year. That’s fine, let’s just stop dressing it up as a rivalry because it’s a big game.

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by Adam Bittner on Sep 1, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't hate Nebraska...

…but I still don’t hate MSU either.

And last I checked, “rivalry” isn’t mutually exclusive with the phrase “good-natured.”

"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."

-Tony Hunt

by Cpiritual27 on Sep 1, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

but you seem to want to sacrifice the opportunity to play this big game against Nebraska at the end of the year so we can play MSU instead. That just makes no sense to most people.

by skarocksoi on Sep 1, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sweet Baby Jesus on a Popsicle Stick

Nebraska is no more our rival than Michigan State. Nebraska is a more attractive opponent, nothing more, nothing less.

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Beat Youngstown State.

by jesse. on Sep 1, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

But you’re damn sure more likely to build a rivalry against a team worth beating.

"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."

-Tony Hunt

by Cpiritual27 on Sep 1, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, they are more than that.

“Rival”:

One who attempts to equal or surpass another, or who pursues the same object as another; a competitor.

Nebraska is more able to equal or surpass Penn State than is MSU.

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by ReadingRambler on Sep 1, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

This doesn't have a damn thing to do...

with the dictonary definition of the the term “rival” and you know it. Using your definition everybody in the Big Ten is a rival. Shit, Youngstown State (we gonna talk about them at all this week) is our riva

Somewhere there is a cedar chest full of Penguin sweater vests.
Beat Youngstown State.

by jesse. on Sep 1, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know what?

It’s my belief that college football fans (myself included) have been using the Englihs language in a manner that is not proper for far too long.

"Trouble is; I want that fourth carrier!"

by ReadingRambler on Sep 1, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or however you spell it.

Whatever.

"Trouble is; I want that fourth carrier!"

by ReadingRambler on Sep 1, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey,

no dictionaries. I don’t make the rules, I just enforce them.

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by Illegal Formation on Sep 1, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

In that regard

MSU is no more our rival that Nebraska. So the question being asked is “who would you rather have your rival be”?

by skarocksoi on Sep 1, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nebraska

But that’s beside the point.

Somewhere there is a cedar chest full of Penguin sweater vests.
Beat Youngstown State.

by jesse. on Sep 1, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure I see how its beside the point

To be honest, I’m not sure what point people are trying to make other than that.

by skarocksoi on Sep 1, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who do you want your rival to be?

Is a legitimate question. Although it’s at best an arranged marriage, but sometimes those work out.

Saying “Nebraska is already our rival” is incorrect.

Somewhere there is a cedar chest full of Penguin sweater vests.
Beat Youngstown State.

by jesse. on Sep 1, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

how about saying

“we already have a more passionate history with Nebraska than MSU, and pretty much anyone in the Big Ten other than OSU and Michigan, and recently Iowa”?

by The JuggerNitt on Sep 1, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Think of it from the Nebraska prospective: they only nominally have rivalries with Iowa and Minnesota (both in their division). If they have to be paired with any team permanently in the other division, PSU makes more sense than any other team. PSU has actually played Nebraska more than any other team in our division, except Indiana.

PSU/Nebraska makes the most sense. I’m not debating whether we are truly “rivals” but that should be the cross division game in this setup.

by Laaaaazzz on Sep 1, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they split UM-OSU for money

Then they will pair up UNL with PSU every year as well.

by boston_zenos on Sep 1, 2010 2:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Bingo. All about the Benjamins, baby.

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by Scott in Shaw on Sep 1, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

My prediction for the crossovers

This is actually pretty tough; I will list these in descending order of confidence
MICH – OSU
MINN – WISC
NWU – ILL
NEB – PSU
MSU – IND
IOWA – PUR

The first three all have a ton of history behind them, and seem pretty obvious. After that, it gets murky. PSU’s histories with Nebraska, MSU, and Iowa are all fairly light and roughly equal. I think we get paired up with Nebraska, simply because it makes zero sense to protect Nebraska-Indiana or Nebraska-Purdue. MSU and Indiana play for a trophy, believe it or not—the old brass spittoon—so given the two options remaining, that seems like an easy choice. Iowa-Purdue is a complete WTF pairing, but it’s all that’s left, and considering that both teams get plenty of their traditional rivals within their divisions, I don’t think either side would be disappointed.

by newenglandnittanylion on Sep 1, 2010 2:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Ick

Not crazy about the MSU-IND and Iowa-Pur rivalries. But you make a point that Iowa gets Minn, Neb, and Michigan in their division, so there are three rivals right there.

by BSD on Sep 1, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ideally

I would hope it would be PSU-Nebraska, MSU-Purdue, Iowa-Indiana.

by tomatpsu on Sep 1, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

To go one step further, my predictions for the end-of-season games

For the moment, I’ll believe the rumors that Mich-OSU will remain on the last weekend. That means at least one other crossover has to be on the final weekend, and it could be 3 or all 5. Here are my guesses:

MICH – OSU
NEB – PSU
IOWA – MINN
PUR – IND
NWU – ILL
MSU – WISC

Poor Wisconsin still gets stuck with a season-ender they don’t care about, but at least it’ll be the same team every year (which they haven’t had for some time now). It would make more sense to pair up PSU-MSU and Nebraska-Wisconsin on the final Saturday, but as of right now, neither game looks like it will be protected annually.

by newenglandnittanylion on Sep 1, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

MSU vs Wisky

they actually have a decent rivalry in basketball, so it could potentially flow over to the football side of things, as well

by The JuggerNitt on Sep 1, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Iowa-Purdue is a complete WTF pairing

You just have to talk about it right. It is the battle over which gold is the correct gold for a black-and-gold team to wear.

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by SubLime on Sep 1, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kind of only following this thread while at work...

Anyone check out mgo or 11W or their ilk? How are they taking it?

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by Jeff Junstrom on Sep 1, 2010 2:55 PM EDT reply actions  

It's going to be a fun evening

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by Adam Bittner on Sep 1, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

You have no idea

There are wack jobs in the message boards suggesting Michigan and Ohio State should leave the Big Ten over this.

by BSD on Sep 1, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was on there a while ago

before it was even official and they were coming unhinged. LOL.

Roll Tide!

by mobilematt12 on Sep 1, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont think UM fans

have much to say about anything except get rid of RichRod at the moment. They’ve got bigger problems than when they play the Bucks.

Roll Tide!

by mobilematt12 on Sep 1, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

They’re saying quite a bit right now. They are Michigan fans after all.

by skarocksoi on Sep 1, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dan Beebe's working the phones right now

The Big Ten Network will be renamed the Big XII network and the headquarters will be moved to Dallas.

by Frank O'Brien on Sep 1, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

This will be fine

As long as Neb or Iowa is our rivalry and as long as there aren’t any rivalries at the end of the season. God help me I will throw my television out the damn window if I have to watch OSU v. Michigan play two weeks in a row in any of the next 40 years.

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by Rogue Nine on Sep 1, 2010 2:58 PM EDT reply actions  

they should have put them in the same division

that is the only mistake of this entire split. When the SEC split they put Bama and Auburn in the same division so we could preserve both our rivalry and the time it was played.

Roll Tide!

by mobilematt12 on Sep 1, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I got news for you

If it isn’t Nebraska, it’s going to be Michigan State. I am developing a very bad feeling that we’re going to get screwed in the only way we can. OSU/Michigan on the last week of the season, and Michigan State (no Nebraska) as our protected “rival”.

Somewhere there is a cedar chest full of Penguin sweater vests.
Beat Youngstown State.

by jesse. on Sep 1, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a likely scenario

But a dumb one on behalf of the B10. Don’t have PSU play Nebraska every year? Seems like a big loss in potential revenue $$$.

by skarocksoi on Sep 1, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

PSU and Nebraska have to play every year

If you are going to make UM and OSU play every year, it has to happen. Otherwise UM and OSU get two tough games every year and half the years PSU and Neb would only get one. For competitive balance PSU and Neb have to play.

by BSD on Sep 1, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do we get to play the last week of the season?

Somewhere there is a cedar chest full of Penguin sweater vests.
Beat Youngstown State.

by jesse. on Sep 1, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

How sweet would that be?

If OSU-Mich got moved to October and PSU-UNL was the last game of the season. Michigan and Ohio would erupt into giant balls of fire.

by skarocksoi on Sep 1, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't

I don’t think you should have a cross divisional game between anyone in the last game of the season. Let PSU-OSU play in the last game. Michigan can play Nebraska or MSU.

That’s just what I would do though. I think UM and OSU are going to win and get to play at the end of the year.

by BSD on Sep 1, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wholeheartedly agree,

but if UM and Ohio State get to do it, I want to do it too. It’s dumb as hell, but in for a penny in for a pound.

Somewhere there is a cedar chest full of Penguin sweater vests.
Beat Youngstown State.

by jesse. on Sep 1, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

back to $$ though

Do you have your top two matchups play the same weekend, or separate them? I don’t know which would maximize revenue more.

by skarocksoi on Sep 1, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

PSU and Nebraska have to play every year

I agree. We have history going back to the early ’80’s and have had some fantastic finishes. Also, the largest crowd EVER in Beaver Stadium history was for the night game against Nebraska. I did not leave the parking lot until 3 am that morning. It was electric. We have had some memorable wins over MSU, but not so much for the opponent, but because the outcome put us in as Big Ten champs or because Larry Johnson had a Heisman winning year and gained over 2,000 yards.

by Rummeypsu1 on Sep 1, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

was about to post same thing

I wouldn’t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed.

by psupride on Sep 1, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

assuming UM is a tough game

If Neb and PSU don’t play every year, OSU and UM fans would whine about having to play one tough divisional game and one tough cross divisional game while Neb and PSU only had to play one tough divisional game.

Brian at MGoBlog already tried to make this argument about how unfair it was to make their cross divisional game against OSU while everyone else gets to play Indiana and Purdue.

by BSD on Sep 1, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know

but you honestly expected to set me up with a kill on Michigan like that, and for me to NOT slam the ever-loving-Zug out of it?

by The JuggerNitt on Sep 1, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's half a step away

from locking himself in a basement and writing a manifesto though. Borderline nutso.

by skarocksoi on Sep 1, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would suck,

because Penn St. vs Nebraska could be like LSU vs Florida (both at the opposite ends of the conference) which has developed into a great game—we used to have another permanent inter-division game with Kentucky and I’m glad we kept Florida and not Kentucky. Saying nothing bad about Kentucky who always plays us tough and beats us occasionally, but Florida has been very good for the most part since the 80’s.

by mjtig on Sep 1, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I volunteer my leadership for the "who gives a damn" camp.

Who’s with me?

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by Illegal Formation on Sep 1, 2010 3:06 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Now That We Have A Conference Title Game

and O$U finishes second, will they claim to have won the Big Whatever?

by Bob Sacamano on Sep 1, 2010 3:09 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Of course

they will say they are big10 conference “whatever” division co-champions. They just got snubbed for the CCG

by jrock4 on Sep 1, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

PSU doesn't have any natural rival in the Big Ten

Not a knock on you guys just saying in the scope of college football you are relatively knew to the league. Of course you guys are perennial contenders so that makes you a big game with many of them.

Roll Tide!

by mobilematt12 on Sep 1, 2010 3:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Right

Whichi is why Nebraska and PSU has to be a protected rivalry. Let these powerhouse programs start building hate for each other.

by BSD on Sep 1, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

Let’s see what tonight brings, but I would love the last two the the B10 becoming the 1st newest rivalry.

by ljdevine on Sep 1, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would say Ohio State is a natural rival.

The only problem is that they already have Michigan.

by VVeRPennState on Sep 1, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

you guys came into the Big Ten

with a target on your back and then 1994 happened and it was like a big slap in the face when the team that I have always said is the greatest team in cfb history to not win a national title. PSU is a big game for anyone but I am talking about a Mich OSU type rivalry.

Roll Tide!

by mobilematt12 on Sep 1, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Trouble is; I want that fourth carrier!"

by ReadingRambler on Sep 1, 2010 3:16 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Absolutely

This whole thing is about $$$. It’s where it both starts and ends.

by skarocksoi on Sep 1, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

What happens when the Big Ten Expands Further?

That’s the question I have

Do you think they’ll keep this alignment? What happens if we add Rutgers and Syracuse? There might be some push back by UM or OSU to realign the divisions and restore the “GAME”. This could potentially only be the alignment for a few years.

by Nittany_Vandal on Sep 1, 2010 3:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Further Expansion

I think they are done for now. They got their 12th team and a CCG. I think expansion is on the back burner again.

But going to a nine game conference schedule could change that, because it puts Notre Dame in jeopardy of losing their rivalries with Michigan, Purdue, and Michigan State. If other conferences like the SEC and ACC go to nine games to keep up with the Big Ten, Notre Dame is in a world of problems and may come begging to join. Then we could be going through all of this again.

by BSD on Sep 1, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think we expand any further unless the SEC or PAC-10/12 do first.

If Notre Dame and Texas are off the table (which they likely are), I don’t think there is any team out there that can immediately increase the Big 10’s per team revenue. I think this means that we will only expand as a defensive move against other potential super conferences.

by VVeRPennState on Sep 1, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alleged crossover games

From a Purdue beat writer:

@carminjc Guaranteed cross-division matchups are PU-Iowa, Ill-NW, IU-MSU, OSU-Mich, PSU-Neb, and Wis-Minn

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by Run Up The Score on Sep 1, 2010 3:40 PM EDT reply actions  

True but...should be easy wins for Purdue and MSU for the rest of time.

Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!

by EREX21 on Sep 1, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

MSU

is the odd man out in terms of crossover game.

They get Michigan and Iowa every year, so that’s all that matters.

Joe

by QBsneak12 on Sep 1, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think they'll be upset

if the Michigan-MSU game is the finale. I’m hearing it won’t be, though, which seems crazy to me.

by KevinHD on Sep 1, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

At least Iowa would get to play Minnesota and Nebraska every year. And Sparty gets to keep their rivalries with Michigan and Northwestern.

by BSD on Sep 1, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

And seriously...

It’s not wrestling either.

Somewhere there is a cedar chest full of Penguin sweater vests.
Beat Youngstown State.

by jesse. on Sep 1, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess you're right.

The crossover game isn’t sexy, but they basically get what they wanted.

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by Run Up The Score on Sep 1, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

They lose out on Wisconsin

But when you have four rivalry games you can’t expect to keep them all.

by BSD on Sep 1, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

To me Wisconsin looks like the big loser. They have to give up either Iowa or Minnesota, and they don’t get the rivalry that Alvarez wanted with his Alma Mater, Nebraska.

by BSD on Sep 1, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Were they ever going to get that?

Aside from being in the same division. But then why not just do an East-West split and call it a day?

by skarocksoi on Sep 1, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because that would make sense, which clearly Sir Idiot Jim Delaney can't do?

For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
The various schools of the Big Ten should let Ohio State and Michigan know in no uncertain terms that dissent will NOT be tolerated.
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 1, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's not an idiot.

They just like money.

"Trouble is; I want that fourth carrier!"

by ReadingRambler on Sep 1, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still don’t get how splitting up UM and tOSU makes the conference more money.

I think this was more about the various teams wanting to have one of either Michigan or Ohio State in their division and thus having one that is an every year play. Those are games that sell tickets and stir emotions because basically all the “little 8” hate them.

by Laaaaazzz on Sep 1, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

So I guess ESPN is not going to carry this and market it as "The Decision 2: Big Ten Style".

Because that would be awesome.

Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!

by EREX21 on Sep 1, 2010 3:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Word has it

Delaney has asked permission from the Hopi Nation in Arizona to rent their community center tonight. OK, makes no sense, but neither did LeBron’s venue.

by ljdevine on Sep 1, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

But it raised money for charity so it was a “good thing”.

Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!

by EREX21 on Sep 1, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry

Even if they wanted to, the BTN has this one all the way. Ah the advantages of having your own network.

by BSD on Sep 1, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amen

Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!

by EREX21 on Sep 1, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least this one will be interesting

I hate BBall, but my friend loves it and wanted to watch the “announcement”, he said screw it after 15 minutes. This at least holds a little interest for me.

by dawsonPSU10 on Sep 1, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

A funny thing happened on the way to an East-West split...

Dr. Saturday put his take on this mess up, complete with map. If you put a line a latitude between UM/OSU and rotate slightly counterclockwise, not enough so that it’s a ridiculous premise, you get a North-South split, only Wisconsin plays the “NO PSU IN THE WEST” role as jumping the border to play in the south.

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by Jeff Junstrom on Sep 1, 2010 4:15 PM EDT reply actions  

So there has been no word on if or what the Big Ten will be changing it’s already outdated name? I’m guessing no based on the money maker that is the BTN.

Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!

by EREX21 on Sep 1, 2010 4:24 PM EDT reply actions  

They didn’t change when they added Penn State. They aren’t changing now.

by BSD on Sep 1, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope they don't

If they do, just alter the logo to hide a 12 instead of a 11 they have now, which is kind of cool.

by dawsonPSU10 on Sep 1, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brett Farve will come in as a guest speaker.

For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
The various schools of the Big Ten should let Ohio State and Michigan know in no uncertain terms that dissent will NOT be tolerated.
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 1, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Quick question, because I didn't see the answer to it above

Have they actually said they’ll be announcing the protected rivalry games tonight? Or is that the only bit of speculation we have left to speculate about, which is why this thread is 100+ comments long already?

by dawsonPSU10 on Sep 1, 2010 4:51 PM EDT reply actions  

90 minutes!

I didn’t notice that earlier.

90 minutes!

I don’t want to sit around for 90 minutes! I hate you, Big Ten! I hate you!

GO PITT!

"Trouble is; I want that fourth carrier!"

by ReadingRambler on Sep 1, 2010 5:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh come on

I have an open thread set up for 7 PM and everything. I know you can’t resist open threads.

by BSD on Sep 1, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Geez

Do we need Bad Rambler to talk you down from the ledge?

by BSD on Sep 1, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's approaching the end of the moving walkway of sanity...

For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
The various schools of the Big Ten should let Ohio State and Michigan know in no uncertain terms that dissent will NOT be tolerated.
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 1, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

You must be new here.

"Trouble is; I want that fourth carrier!"

by ReadingRambler on Sep 1, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait...so you don't have one?

For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
The various schools of the Big Ten should let Ohio State and Michigan know in no uncertain terms that dissent will NOT be tolerated.
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 1, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

HAIL TO PITT!

"Trouble is; I want that fourth carrier!"

by ReadingRambler on Sep 1, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its fitting...

that the first open thread of “the season” occurs due to an “administrative” football issue rather than an actual game of football.

"I have my Joe Paterno autograph already, but I don’t know that I’d begrudge anybody else from getting theirs no matter their age. That’s kind of like meeting Winston Churchill." jesse. @ BSD

by bconway6 on Sep 1, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you channeling your inner Anakin Skywalker?

For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
The various schools of the Big Ten should let Ohio State and Michigan know in no uncertain terms that dissent will NOT be tolerated.
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 1, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just want to be on record as saying that playing cross-divisional games the last week of the season is assine. We’ve been told they aren’t going to count in the standings, so you’re adding a week at the end of the season that doesn’t count, and everyone knows who won each group. Not only could you get a back-to-back week rematch, but you would know you’re getting it before the first of the two game set. I refuse to believe the Big Ten is that dumb.

by KevinHD on Sep 1, 2010 5:36 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

+1

"Trouble is; I want that fourth carrier!"

by ReadingRambler on Sep 1, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

have they said for sure that non-divisional games won't count?

plus, I’m sure they’ll at LEAST count in tiebreakers.

And finally, they may know their OWN divisional records, but there would still be other conference games that could affect whether or not they actually win their division, so they won’t know for sure before the game.

With all that said, end-of-season cross-divisional games are the sux.

by The JuggerNitt on Sep 1, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

that

doesn’t make sense – that they won’t count in the standings.

btw, I think I’d speak on behalf of the majority of Husker fans to say we’d be more than happy to meet you guys at the end of each season.

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by Jon Johnston on Sep 1, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

No way!

I would love to play PSU every year, but that last game is set for FARMAGEDDON between UNL and Iowa!

So I tried the Barbasol and Rotel dip and I was very dissapointed!

by Amonra on Sep 1, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up