Penn State Hockey Rumors
When Inside College Hockey reported Sunday that Penn State is expected to announce the launch of men's and women's varsity programs in hockey as early as Friday, the rumors and reaction exploded like never before on what's been a hot button issue for years in Happy Valley.
Fortunately for the anxious fans across the country, though, it looks like they won't have to wait long for more news, as the Daily Collegian is reporting something big could go down today.
With rumors swirling about Penn State hockey preparing to announce its plans to start an NCAA Division I program, a source close to the Icers said Tuesday that more information regarding a potential announcement will be available Wednesday.
So stay tuned for that
Anyway, here's what the rumor mill has told us so far.
Onward State is reporting that, as our very own IcersGuy pointed out yesterday, the long rumored donor has finally worked his way out of the woodwork, and is ready to commit to helping Penn State build an ice arena. His name? Terry Pegula.
Pegula, a billionaire by way of Royal Dutch Shell buying out his company for $4.7 billion, was initially rumored to be the leading donor in the plans and according to an anonymous source close to Onward State, this still looks to be the case. Apparently, the donation is very close to being signed, sealed and delivered.
The sum would be a sizeable one, if not the largest in that of the university’s history. The new arena, which would hopefully seat 6,000-8,000 people would cost around $80 million to build. The placement of the arena still seems to be a sticking point, with speculation dividing itself between near Medlar Field and behind Shields Building.
So let's take a look at that.
The obvious upside to building behind Shields is the proximity to the big student population at East Halls across the street. The problem, of course, is that behind Shields you currently have the ROTC drill field, the Astroturf Field which houses the field hockey team and the Indoor Tennis Center, which the men's and women's teams need in January, February and even March when Sarni is a frozen hell scape.
If an arena is built there, somebody is getting displaced, which mean's $$$ to relocate them somewhere else, which would obviously not please the university/athletic department.
Then there's the wide open spaces near Medlar. Obviously, they're far away from most of the on-campus students and even further for most off-campus. The upside is obvious, though, as the arena could spring up just about anywhere out there without getting in anyone's way.
Any discord behind the scenes has probably been sorted out, though, for rumors to progress this far.
Moving on, sources are giving sources some details on how some of the other dominoes will fall once the announcement is made.
USCHO says the goal is to start playing hockey in 2011-2012 aka next academic year. Call me skeptical, but seeing how the Millenium complex has taken seemingly forever to build, I find it hard to believe the ice arena would be ready in time. That's not to say the teams couldn't keep playing in Greenberg Ice Pavilion a la the basketball teams playing in Rec Hall in the early Big Ten years, but I'll believe that time line when I hear it from Tim Curley's mouth.
Then, of course, the inescapable conference talk. ICH said Penn State is likely looking at joining the CCHA, at least early on.
Last month, CCHA commissioner Tom Anastos told the Detroit News that the league was interested in adding Penn State as a 12th member. Because of its profile, location and success at the club-sport level, Penn State has long been identified as a potential candidate to add the sport at the varsity level.
"They are a very attractive choice—very attractive," Anastos said. "They’re in a different market than we’re in, more and more U.S. players are on college rosters, and there’s tremendous growth of the sport in Pennsylvania."
That said, talk of joining either the CCHA (Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State) or WCHA (Minnesota, Wisconsin) pales in comparison to the prospects of a Big Ten hockey league, something it appears WCHA officials are already reacting to the possibility of according to USCHO.
2014-2015 seems awfully early for Penn State to be joining a league that would include teams that have won a combined four national championships since 2000. Starting a program is one thing. Surviving amongst established programs like that is quite another.
Over at Slow States, Kevin shares the skepticism.
I’m initially skeptical that the current Big Ten hockey programs will jump ship as soon as Penn State is ready to suit up. While I agree a Big Ten conference is certainly in our future—Illinois and Indiana have been rumored to be interested in the sport, as well—it seems risky for the current powers to leave perfectly competitive and stable leagues without knowing how long it will take Penn State to become a worth adversary.
I also wonder if Penn State is willing to take on playing five of the richest programs in the sport weekly right out of the gate when they could get their sea legs in a more diverse CCHA that they fit into nicely.
Regardless, MGoBlog expects Big Ten hockey to happen at some point in the not too distant future.
At this point I doubt anything other than Minnesota blanching can prevent the Big Ten Hockey Death Star from forming. Wisconsin ended the College Hockey Showcase because it explicitly wanted more games against Big Ten opponents; it seems like they'd be willing to jump. Michigan, Michigan State, and Ohio State aren't attached to the CCHA closely enough for tradition to override dolla dolla bill ya'll. That would be a brutal six-team conference on paper but of late State and Minnesota have struggled to consistently make the NCAA tournament, and Michigan came within a whisker of whiffing for the first time in twenty years. Still, PSU hockey would be in for a rough ride to start.
Another interesting tidbit making it's way around is a tasty rumor about a possible coach.
Though I don't frequent Pittsburgh Penguin message boards enough to document the credibility of the folks who post on them, my heart almost stopped when I read this.
I heard the deal was done a few weeks ago. The guy that sold East Resources to Shell wrote a check for somewhere near $100M. 6,300 seat arena. The coach will be hired a year in advance of play starting. Mark Johnson is an early candidate. Indiana will also allegedly start a D1 program and the Big 10 will be a hockey conference with content for the Big 10 network.
Take that with the typical message board grain of salt, but if there's anything to that, it could be a huge coup for Penn State. For the un-puck savvy among us, Johnson was a member of the 1980 Olympics "Miracle On Ice" team and is currently coaching the women's program at Wisconsin, his alma mater. He's also the coach of the U.S. women's national team. In short, he's got a great profile that would give Penn State instant credibility with recruits on their new level.
Anyway, those are your rumors for now. Make of them what you will, but if any of them come to fruition, it looks like we've got some exciting new stuff to look forward to in the next few years.
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I’m very excited about this. I don’t buy the team starting in 2011-12, though — far too soon to get everything established and it would seem silly IMHO to play varsity at Greenberg. I suspect the 2011 start date refrs more to when coaching staff would begin working, not when the team physically begins playing.
I expect a 2012-13 season start, probably in the CCHA (or indepedent) and then a Big Ten hockey conference beginning in 2014-15, likely along with Indiana moving up by then (they also supposedly have a big donor lined up to kick start the program) and maybe Illinois.
I think the real key for PSU would be convincing other Big Ten schools to start up as well as this would offer some similar competition and prevent PSU from being the de facto whipping boy in the conference for an extended period of time.
Johnson
Mark Johnson is certainly an interesting name to throw out. I’d say I’m skeptical that he would ever leave Madison long term – he was raised in Madison, played hockey at UW Madison under his father, and coaches the women’s team at UW Madison. But then I never thought Cael would ever leave Iowa State…
Phil
The coach really is key.
And you have to like PSU’s odds after the commitment they’ve show recently. But I really like Laz’s timetable: get a year to prep (2011), get in the CCHA where you fit (2012) then take on the Big Ten after your third recruiting class (2014). We’d still be beaten like rugs, but at least there’s a base to work with.
This Indiana stuff is interesting; none of their rumors really had legs until today it seems. In fact I would have guessed Illinois was closer to a jump if only because they’ve had such success at the club level. But another whipping boy makes a quicker Big Ten seem more likely.
You have to think though
If they have this big donor with $4.7 billion to spend and he just dropped $80-100 million on a new arena, he’s not going to let PSU screw it up by going out and hiring a $75,000 per year coach that won’t fill the seats. He’ll give them the money they need to make a good hire.
I believe Michelle Therrian has nothing to do these days.
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by carolinaeasy on Sep 15, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe he'll be good again
So he return to being Mike Terrian in Pittsburgh.
I too am not a huge fan of Richard Nixon. Also, I need 5 or 6 for the Temple game.
Beat Kent State.
No trap for PSU please
There’s a quick way to watch your new hockey team lose interest with the fans almost immediately.
I'll second this.
I haven’t watched much Wild hockey mainly because it was so boring, especially on TV. In person I don’t mind and can actually appreciate a defensive minded game, however on TV you cant see enough or look at what you want to when you want to on the ice.
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This news IMO is bigger than conference realignment for football
I have been thristing for PSU D1 hockey for years. I’m not a huge hockey fan, but only b/c I wasn’t raised on it, and that’s only because PSU never had a D1 team. This area is a hot spot for hockey it seems. Between Flyers, Penguins, the Hershey Bears, and now potentiall this, you have to believe there’s a lot of fan interest. It could quickly become more popular then the basketball team.
For me, PSU hockey would easily fill the winter void after football in a way men’s BBall never could. And certainly the notion of drive up to see our team host Michigan or Ohio State is something I’d be stoked about.
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by millzners on Sep 15, 2010 11:57 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
And of course:

For me, PSU hockey would easily fill the winter void after football in a way men’s BBall never could. And certainly the notion of drive up to see our team host Michigan or Ohio State is something I’d be stoked about.
This.
Plus they would be WEEKEND series!!
Come up Friday afternoon leave Sunday morning having seen 2 games and spent the weekend in SC. Much easier sell to those at a distance than driving a couple hours for a Tuesday night basketball game.
I’m already trying to plan my first trip out there that first season with a bunch of hockey fans from SCSU. (I’m just desperately hoping assuming there would be a matchup).
"I have my Joe Paterno autograph already, but I don’t know that I’d begrudge anybody else from getting theirs no matter their age. That’s kind of like meeting Winston Churchill." jesse. @ BSD
So this is where IcersGuy spends his time when he’s not on BSH
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 15, 2010 1:20 PM EDT reply actions
Arena location
My big question about the behind Shields site is what to do about parking. There’s the one (smallish) lot next to Shields, but otherwise you’d have people parking at the BJC lot and walking past the BJC to get there. And there’s no other place to put parking near that location.
The next to Medlar location can use the BJC lot and it’s only across the street. But further from campus and downtown, as noted, and may be a deterrant for students.
Meh
Thing about hockey fans is that they are incredibly passionate and will do just about anything to watch their team play. With Pittsburgh and Philly on either side, you are getting a decent amount of passionate hockey fans at PSU (Plus people from the New York/New England areas). I think they’d be willing to travel that extra little bit to get to a game. Plus, its not like Shields is that much closer to the downtown area. And you have the Loop (Blue I think) that runs out close to there anyways. And convenient parking for those that drive. I lived overy by west campus and would have definitely made it to watch games if it were out by medlar.
Stay close to the dorms
I think you have to put it close to the students. That is where your bread and butter is going to come from. Some passionate fans might drive up from Lancaster or Johnstown for a game on a Saturday afternoon. But I don’t think you will get many on a Tuesday night.
I think this is where they went wrong in moving PSU basketball out to the Jordan Center. They used to pack Rec Hall all the time, and they weren’t any better back then than they are now. The proximity to downtown and West Halls made it easy for students to attend. Heck, you could be studying at Patee, leave your books right there on the table, walk across the street to take a break and see the game, and come back to study some more.
I would put that hockey arena right next to East Halls. Go after the freshmen and get them hooked on PSU hockey, and they will keep coming back when they are sophomores, juniors, seniors, and alumni.
I don't think theres room...
behind shields for a pretty large and tall building. That is unless you’re moving the indoor tennis building, the astro-turf fields for field hockey, ROTC and I think lacrosse still plays there. Out by Medlar is a bit farther than ideal, but like JNitt says maybe back next to East Halls behind or as a part of a new intramural building?
Also, don’t worry about getting people to drive up for a Tuesday night game. The only people driving to the rink that night are those hockey parents whose kids are playing those nights. College hockey nearly exclusively is played in Friday and Saturday night series.
"I have my Joe Paterno autograph already, but I don’t know that I’d begrudge anybody else from getting theirs no matter their age. That’s kind of like meeting Winston Churchill." jesse. @ BSD
Staying close to the dorms
has always been one of the biggest sticking points when planning to build the new rink. And trust me – they’ve been planning this new rink for years. There were different options, but the big push from the inside was to keep it as close to the dorms (especially East) as possible.
Designated "New Thread Is Up" guy.
My impression
Was that they were going to build the new ice arena over by the golf courses with all that property they have been attaining over in that region. Over by Blue Course and Westerly?
We have little tranquility but tons of tranquilizers.
That was one of the other proposed locations
I think it was a #2 spot, as it was near campus and within walking distance, but it would be a farther travel for the majority of students. But at the end of the day, a new rink was a new rink, no matter where they put it.
Designated "New Thread Is Up" guy.
It seems like there are plenty of areas that they could build
that wouldn’t have to be out by Medlar. Even areas like University and Curtain seem like they’d be able to hold an ice arena without disrupting anything other than tailgate parking.
Dude has a DIV 1 job. PSU would be a step backwards for him.
From Air Force to RMU to PSU…not the way it works my friend. Next step for him would be a much BIGGER and established program if not Minor League/Pro or Juniors.
by Wags24 on Sep 17, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
isn't this talk on condition of PSU moving up to Div 1 hockey?
not that PSU wouldn’t be a step back, but if the $ is there, and if it would get him at a big name program (yes, not in the hockey world yet, but he could possibly build the program up) in a big time conference (especially if the Big 10 hockey conference comes about)
by The JuggerNitt on Sep 17, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Been there, done that...
That’s what I’m saying. He’s built a program. That is RMU. Maybe saying a step backwards is a bit much but it would be a lateral move. Not a good idea for a hockey coach who wants to move up. Also, Penn State Hockey is FAR from a “big name program”. Even if they do go CCHA or something along those lines, they are not going to be a “big name program” for years. Yeah, it’s Penn State, but Michigan, Boston U, Minnesota…those are big name programs. I’m not saying him moving to PSU is out of the question…I just HIGHLY doubt that he would. Unless, and this is a big unless, the new arena that is going to be build is absolutely state-of-the-art and a HECK of a college arena. Weight room, locker room, coaching area…that can all lure a coach. RMU is pretty decent last time I checked.
by Wags24 on Sep 17, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Behind the IM Building.
Would be a lot easier to displace two IM fields located there, than having to move all the Tennis facilities. I haven’t paid attention to that area of campus in years, sadly, but there should be ample space for parking there too, no?
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They just built the new softball stadium back there
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by Adam Bittner on Sep 15, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
is there something about the area on the corner of University and Curtin
across from the BJC, and next to Jeffrey Field, that I’m forgetting about? The only thing I can ever think that land is used for is tailgating, which is no small deal, but anywhere around the stadium that a new building goes up will result in a loss or movement of tailgating areas.
On google maps it just looks like a field with a small access road on it, and my memory of that specific area is a bit fuzzy.
by The JuggerNitt on Sep 16, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
It's not really flat
That’s about all I can think of.
Adam
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by Adam Bittner on Sep 16, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions

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