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As Penn State fans form their opinions about the new Big Ten divisions, fans of the other teams across the league are offering up their assessments as well.  Let's take a tour and see what everyone is saying.

Black Heart Gold Pants likes the lineups, and considers them sensible.

From the standpoint of competitive balance, these divisions fall in line with the idle chatter of the divisional alignment intelligentsia of the past few weeks.  Ever since word leaked that Ohio State and Michigan could be split up, this Northwest/Southeast split -- with the exception made to get Wisconsin into an otherwise top-heavy division -- made the most sense.  It preserves geographic and traditional ties, for the most part; Michigan State will still play Michigan, Iowa will still play Minnesota, and Purdue will still play Indiana in what I assume is a shirts-versus-skins basketball game in the parking lot outside Ross-Ade.

More reactions after the jump.

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ESPN.com's Adam Rittenberg thinks Michigan's division is a little tougher than Penn State's.

My main concern with this setup is what happens when Michigan gets back to being Michigan. You've got three potential powers in Michigan, Nebraska and Iowa, alongside two programs in Northwestern and Michigan State that are finding consistency under relatively new coaches. Minnesota needs to step up its game in a hurry.

Eleven Warriors is a little miffed that "The Game" is cross-divisional, but is content so long as it remains at the end of the regular season.

The big selling points for them? Terrelle Pryor will never have to play another game at Beaver Stadium, the Millennium Falcon to his Han Solo.

Thanks to scheduling being an imperfect art, Penn State will travel to Columbus next season as well, making two straight road appearances against the Buckeyes. A little bit of payback for the sweetheart deal Penn State received upon entering the conference that saw the Buckeyes travel to State College in '94 and '95

MGoBlog is also glad "The Game" is staying mostly intact, but doesn't like the cross divisional games.

Obviously those protected rivals are thoroughly stupid, and Michigan's going to have a tough hill to climb most years, but at least the other historical heavyweights have guaranteed matchups. Iowa and Wisconsin should have been paired with each other to make things even. I guess the MSU-Indiana game is slanted towards MSU but is that ever going to be relevant?

If all this stuff is true, and it's coming from so many different directions now that it almost has to be, Michigan and Ohio State fans can declare Mission Accomplished. At least 80% of the mission.

The guys at The Only Colors are very pleased with the setup, and no, it doesn't look like they're going to miss the Land Grant either.

So, like, smashing success, boys.  So much more interesting (and revenue maximizing!) than a simple geographic split.

Moving right along: Within the context of the jury-rigged framework Jim Delany et al. have created, MSU comes out looking pretty good.  Our primary rival is in our division, Nebraska and Iowa are somewhat less frightening than Ohio State and Penn State as divisional foes, and fixed cross-divisional rivals don't come much friendlier than Indiana (as artificially-generated as that rivalry may be, Brass Spittoon or not).  (Bonus: Mark Hollis gets his regular trips to Chicago to play Northwestern.)  If/when MSU puts itself in a position to make a run at a Big Ten title, odds are we won't be able to complain about schedule imbalances as a major obstacle.

Off Tackle Empire, formerly known as The Rivalry, Esq. is very pleased with the divisions, and has some words for those who are upset some tradition might have been messed with.

Sure the nostalgic may continue to bemoan the loss of the "tradition," but many of these fans are the same people who carried the torch for expansion when the conference announced last December its intention to study bringing new teams on board. 

If you're one of the few traditionalists who opposed expansion, then I have no problem with the argument that the league has violated its most sacred covenant. But if, more likely, you applauded the addition of Nebraska, only to now appeal to some rigid adherence to the status quo, you're guilty of failing to see the forest for the trees.

With expansion, change is inevitable.  Don't blame the Commissioner for your own nearsightedness.

So there you have it, folks. Seems like most people, even some Ohio State and Michigan fans, are pleased with the splits. It should be interesting to hear their thoughts when the games aren't played on paper anymore, though. I think there will be some whining down the road of the divisions don't stay balanced like they are on paper at the moment....

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by PSUtopia on Sep 2, 2010 10:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Michigan sucks?

My hatred of Michigan knows no bounds. Even more so after this travesty.
September 1st, 2010. A day that shall live in infamy.
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 2, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Look past first shine

When you get your first look at the divisions most think wisky was shafted by being put in the more difficult side. Look 2, when you play PSU & OSU every year must help recruiting bigtime in the east ( PA,NY,NJ & OH ) plus, to be the best play the best and win. 3 A idea fore PSU-UW trophy game. Both play fore a trophy called THE SHADES. Why??? JOE` PA……!!!!!!!!!!! Why UW?, Barry A, M McCarthy and because i thought of IT. good luck joe and PSU

by pressy on Sep 4, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like how a currently irrelevant match up dictates the conference and gets what they want…ie the match up being at the end of the season. No one can tell me that the michigan osu rivalry is a relevant game right now. In a few years, maybe. Boo hoo if its not that last game of the season. There was no mention of other rivalries playing on specific calendar dates all the time because it doesnt matter. A true rivalry occurs at any point of the season, its about the teams, not the calendar date.

by MrBrianPSU on Sep 2, 2010 10:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Though I don’t disagree with you entirely, and I do think the Big Ten did bend over backwards more than they should have for tOSU and UM, the reality is, historically that game has mattered and just because UM sucks now doesn’t mean you can ignore the history completely. Chances are going forward that game will mean something more times than it won’t. So it’s not like the conference totally botched it.

All in all I think they did a pretty good job. It could have been a hell of a lot worse.

Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
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by EREX21 on Sep 2, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

but didn't you hear?

that game has had conference championship implications like the past 10 years, and 40 of the last 50 (or whatever the actual numbers were).

Yes, that 2008 matchup between 3-8 Michigan and 9-2 OSU had conference championship implications…you know, that game Michigan had no chance of winning, that allowed OSU to secure the lesser half of the “shared” conference championship.

In other news: Penn State’s (9-1) game with Indiana (3-7) that same year had as much influence on the conference championship as well. I’m glad they were able to preserve that game in the future.

by The JuggerNitt on Sep 2, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

/map'd

(or is it /mapped?)

Until our defense proves otherwise, it should be presumed they will be excellent.

by jtothep on Sep 2, 2010 11:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Kinda looks like Penn State’s division is punching the other division in the groin.

Formerly of thatguy34 fame.

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by Jon Harrington on Sep 2, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ha!

Division name suggestions?:
The Groin Punchers
The Groin Punched

Until our defense proves otherwise, it should be presumed they will be excellent.

by jtothep on Sep 2, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was feeling really bad about Wisconsin

for getting what amounted to what we thought Penn State would get in the “PSU in the West”, but that really isn’t that bad. Still sucks about the breakup of all their rivalries and potential rivalries with Nebraska.

by The JuggerNitt on Sep 2, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want someone at the Big Ten to explain this

You want Michigan and Ohio State to play each other at the usual time. Fine.

Then why didn’t you put them in the same division? You know what, what happens if the television people don’t like the idea of a rematch when it happens?

"Trouble is; I want that fourth carrier!"

by ReadingRambler on Sep 2, 2010 11:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Right now, for me this is like a 2/10 on the outrage meter.

I mean, it’s Michigan and Ohio State. I expected this deep down.

But if DiNardo’s proposal for names is correct, so help me…

"Trouble is; I want that fourth carrier!"

by ReadingRambler on Sep 2, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I actually kind of liked the names “x” and “o” and thought they were good choices before I realized they were temporary

by Laaaaazzz on Sep 2, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

What did DiNardo suggest?

Born and raised in the shadow of Mount Nittany

by Elihu on Sep 2, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh no

It’s like saying Candlejack’s name, once you do it, you disap-

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by 06Lion on Sep 2, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't worry... it'll never happen.

No way Michigan students could figure out how to spell “Bo”

John has a long moustache

by AdamShell on Sep 2, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well played Sir!

Simply awesome.

So I tried the Barbasol and Rotel dip and I was very dissapointed!

by Amonra on Sep 2, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

We dare not speak of it

Lest it become reality.

Let’s just say it would have the UM and OSU fanbases giggling with delight, before they break into a spontaneous makeout session.

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by 06Lion on Sep 2, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

oops, sorry

John has a long moustache

by AdamShell on Sep 2, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about..

Perles and Corso divisions?

If only I had an enemy bigger than my apathy. . .

by Esteban d' Amur on Sep 2, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

They aren’t in the same division because they wanted to split up the historical 4 elite teams into 2 and 2. And putting PSU and Nebraska – the two schools furthest apart frm one another – is problematic. So, they pretty much needed to split UM and OSU.

Now, I disagee with the premise that you had to split the top 4 teams in a 2 and 2 manner (a pure East/West divide would have been best IMHO) but once they decided to do that, it basically meant splitting OSU and Michigan.

by Laaaaazzz on Sep 2, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Laaaaaaaazzzzzzzz! nails it

We all bitched at moaned at the prospect of losing our annual tOSU game and being shipped to the west division. Instead we have made out very well in the end. I believe the only ones to suffer from the tOSU/Mich end of year would be themselves on the remote chance that they have a rematch a week later. Maybe the Big Ten takes some mocking from the MSM but that’s pretty petty in the big scheme of things. If the rest of the conference teams can’t beat tOSU and Michigan to avoid the rematch then that’s our problem.

by Frank O'Brien on Sep 2, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the new layout too

the only issue I would have is if they add that 9th conference game, which has nothing to do with the divisional lineup. IMO the 9th game would make it too likely that the championship would be a rematch. However, I guess that is a complaint for another day.

by cpm126 on Sep 2, 2010 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

BamaHawk comparing to SEC

OSU is Florida and Penn State is Tennessee?

Penn State would be in the position of Tennessee, who won five of those 18 crowns. Even in their best years, it still felt like an upset when Tennessee got past Florida. The Ohio State-Penn State games have a similar dynamic. Georgia won the remaining three SEC East titles, and it’s not too hard to imagine Wisconsin picking off three titles in an 18 year span.

Until our defense proves otherwise, it should be presumed they will be excellent.

by jtothep on Sep 2, 2010 11:19 AM EDT reply actions  

It hasn't been an upset

when Penn State gets past Ohio State.

Usually, you want to swallow your heart no less than ten times in that game. But its NOT an upset.

My hatred of Michigan knows no bounds. Even more so after this travesty.
September 1st, 2010. A day that shall live in infamy.
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 2, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

Since emerging from the Dark Years, that game has resulted pretty much along party lines: if we’re a contender, it’s a mighty physical slugfest, and we’ve come out with wins. If we’re not a contender, we get dominated. (I guess that makes common sense, huh?).

But he looked, rightfully, at the past 20 years, and we, rightfully, don’t really get an asterisk for the Dark Years in that analysis. I agree about ‘upset’, but there’s no disputing who’s been King of the Hill across that time frame.

Until our defense proves otherwise, it should be presumed they will be excellent.

by jtothep on Sep 2, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

So... should we have North (for the N shape) and Under (for the U) divisions?

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-J.V.Pa.

by psume06 on Sep 2, 2010 11:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Alright Penn State, lets do this!

Lets give the universe a rivalry so fucking imbibed in badassness that even God himself will forget the names of Bo Schembechler and Woody Hayes!

OSU v Mich, you time is almost up. Cause and effect, bitches.

by meatybob on Sep 2, 2010 11:35 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Two thoughts:

Since when is Iowa a “power”. I know we’ve had a bad run aganst them, but damn. how many top 25 finishes do they have in the last 20 years? And yes, I’m too lazy to look it up.

Second thought: naming the divisions. I present to you; The Great Lakes division and The Plains Division. Great Lakes being ours, and Plains the other one.

by hbeach08 on Sep 2, 2010 11:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Those names won't exactly fit,

considering the three schools closest to the great lakes are all in the other division.

If I had to guess, it will simply be North and South, geography be damned.

by VVeRPennState on Sep 2, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hear ya.

I just liked the names. Really either one could be Great Lakes

by hbeach08 on Sep 2, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

historically, they are on the second tier with Wisky

right behind the first tier of Michi, Neb, OSU, PSU.

They’ve also been relevant somewhat recently.

Who else would you peg as a “power” to replace them?

I don’t really like the way he worded it, but basically the top 3 in the East and West are about even, but then the next 3 in the West are better (pretty significantly better, too) than the next three in the East. Right now that is a bit balanced out by Michigan being down, but if they rise back up, the West will be a tougher division than the East.

by The JuggerNitt on Sep 2, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

9 top 25 finishes since 1990

5 of those 9 are top 10 finishes.

I have the same fashion sense as Tom Arnold.

by CyHawk on Sep 2, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

I guess its just a personal thing.

I view Wisconsin ahead of Iowa in the Big Ten pecking order. It just seems that way to me in my college football life (post 1990)

by hbeach08 on Sep 2, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

that was my same reaction as well

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by slacoe on Sep 2, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would be amazing

if Terrelle Pryor went 0-3 against Penn State AT HOME.

My hatred of Michigan knows no bounds. Even more so after this travesty.
September 1st, 2010. A day that shall live in infamy.
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 2, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That's why I included it :)

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by Adam Bittner on Sep 2, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

For division names, we can use the map above as a guide

We’re in the Blue Division & the other one is the Red Division. The great thing about this is that it pisses off OSU & Michigan.

Born and raised in the shadow of Mount Nittany

by Elihu on Sep 2, 2010 12:47 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't have a problem with the divisions

they look well balanced.

But I do hope there’s never 9 conference games in a 12 game schedule.

by Joe 96alum on Sep 2, 2010 1:03 PM EDT reply actions  

THE game

Instead of a rematch, the tOSU/MU game will most likely bump one of them from their division lead as the first criteria for division winner is conference win/loss.

by ageing lion on Sep 2, 2010 1:12 PM EDT reply actions  

THIS

Is what I’ve been saying and nobody seems to care about.

OSU playing UM in the last game means that the loser will have to have had a pretty substantial lead over the divisional competition to make the championship game. I tried needlessly to point this out to my OSU grad friend who tried to argue with a straight face that the B10 HAD to keep OSU/UM in the same division because the rivalry was the most important factor in the whole expansion. Being an OSU grad, of course meant logic was WAAY to much for him to comprehend.

by 16andCounting on Sep 2, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

LOL OSU GRAD FRIEND LOGIC FAIL?

Probably why they didn’t go to State College, PA…

My hatred of Michigan knows no bounds. Even more so after this travesty.
September 1st, 2010. A day that shall live in infamy.
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 2, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

I’m sure that there will be a season here or there where there’s a CC rematch. But even if both OSU and Michigan win their divisions half the time—this seems optimistic since OSU can no longer call coming in 2nd a tie for 1st and Michigan has some buildin’ to do—at most we’re looking at 2 or 3 times per decade. I’d bet on it being more like 1 or 2 times per decade.

by gcdyersb on Sep 2, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm betting on never, and Michigan grads wondering "WTH were we thinking all those years ago?"

My hatred of Michigan knows no bounds. Even more so after this travesty.
September 1st, 2010. A day that shall live in infamy.
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 2, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

What Tier is Michigan?

I keep hearing that Michigan is a Tier 1 team along with PSU, NU, and OSU. I think in reality, Michigan is a Tier 3 school. The Big Ten is not OSU and Michigan only. By the way everyone is talking, one would believe that those are the only two schools of importance in the conference. Next year, there’s a new sherrif in town and they call hin Big Red. All you peasants will learn to pay homage to your new ruler…. Gifts of gold, silk and spices will be accepted. Your women folk will be brought into the fold as servants with many talents… I am liking this brave new world that I have created… HA HA HA HA….

by rickm02 on Sep 2, 2010 3:26 PM EDT reply actions  

They were a Tier 1 program...

in the middle of Lloyd Carr’s tenure. Not so much near the end.

My hatred of Michigan knows no bounds. Even more so after this travesty.
September 1st, 2010. A day that shall live in infamy.
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 2, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

as much as I like making fun of Michigan

the last 2-3 years does not define a program. PSU was crap in the early 2000s, and aren’t anymore. Michigan will rebound as well.

by The JuggerNitt on Sep 2, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hopefully not anytime soon...

And hopefully they don’t win the league coming off a 4 win season.

2004 Penn State: Greatest 4 win team. Ever.

My hatred of Michigan knows no bounds. Even more so after this travesty.
September 1st, 2010. A day that shall live in infamy.
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 2, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is close to my north/south proposal

Originally I kept proposing this:

NORTH
UM
MSU
Minn
UW
NU
Iowa

SOUTH
PSU
OSU
IU
Purdon’t
Illini
NW

I had it right cept for Wisky & NW trading.

I was rooting for a annual PSU/NU game on FB. Can’t believe you actually got it. I was certain that PSU would still be playing MSU & thatIowa would be playing NU every year.

There is gonna be some good Football next year!

yera itty-it

by Kx Russell on Sep 2, 2010 10:35 PM EDT reply actions  

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