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Grading the Penn State Defense - Kent State Edition


If you asked 100 coaches which defensive statistic is the most important metric for measuring success, well, who knows what they'd say, but if you asked 100 bloggers, 100 of them would say: scoreboard.  Penn State blanketed and blanked the Kent State Plural Flashes on Saturday, keeping them out of the endzone and away from the uprights, but don't ask Coach Tom Bradley about a shutout:

"We are just trying to get better. We only care about getting the win, that's all we wanted today. We wanted to play better and play the whole game."

I suppose that after the bitterness of the loss in Tuscaloosa, it's important to focus first on the W, something that's virtually guaranteed when you keep the other team off the scoreboard.  Let's take a closer look at what each unit did to contribute to that golden goose egg.

Star-divide

Defensive Line

We knew in August that Coach Larry Johnson had a deep and healthy rotation to work with this year.  On Saturday, he utilized the depth to make up for a dent to the health, and as predicted by our own BSD Mike, the opening defensive series saw Pete Massaro and Sean Stanley starting at ends in place of Jack Crawford and Eric Latimore.  Both Crawford and Latimore ended up seeing significant time, demonstrated some inspired play, and Jack even got his first sack of the year, all of which allows us to speculate as to whether the move may have been more of a motivational ploy for the two starters.  JoePa, on the subject:

Jack Crawford got banged up a little a bit and so did Eric Latimore. So we played the other kids.

That's the only reference I could find to Latimore being banged up, but Massaro said after the game that LJ handed out grades after Wednesday's practice, made the decision at that point and even informed the player of the decision (which seems far more than Johnnie Troutman knew about his role this week).  In any event, Crawford, Latimore and Massaro were all credited with a TFL, while Stanley earned some more motivational words from JoePa:

I'd like to see Stanley have a little more fire because he is one heck of an athlete. He actually should be doing more than what he is doing and he should be making more plays than he is.

The D Tackles played a lot better than last week.  Ollie Ogbu has been consistent throughout the first three games, but I'd guess Devon Still saw plenty of Bama tape this week that included pictures of himself on the floor, so he largely stayed upright and generated the kind of pressure we'll need from him in the Big Ten.  Jordan Hill continues to be the first sub in on the rotation, and he used his low center of gravity to get pressure at the point of attack and was credited with an assist on one TFL.  Overall, the Dline got far more pressure this week, made 2 sacks, had 8.5 tackles for 27 yards of losses, and forced the opposing QB into 2 interceptions and numerous poor throws.

Overall grade: A-

Linebackers

In all honesty, the linebackers are still a little meh.  Chris Colasanti is a dead ringer for 2008 Josh Hull.  I'm less concerned about his inconsistency in shaking off blockers as I am about some of his pure instincts with respect to his gaps and the ball.  Hullstache got it together, slowed the game down for himself, and had a fine 2009 season, but the injury to Sean Lee last year forced the burn of Colasanti's redshirt, so this is it for this guy.  Mike Mauti's a little better, but with an ACL injury on his resume, you can't help but wonder what his real speed is/was.  Nate Stupar is playing with abandon, but sometimes to his detriment.  He overpursued an angle on a running back in the 3rd quarter, glaringly whiffed the open field tackle and the cameras panned in on a disgusted Scrap giving him the what for on an ensuing break in the action.  Bani Gbadyu continues to work hard and was seen working through blocks to make a few of his 6 tackles, and had one for a loss.  Khairi Fortt saw the field early, but the action went to the opposite side of the field and he wasn't credited with any tackles. 

It's a shame we'll miss the athleticism of Gerald Hodges here early, but even with the loss, Scrap and Vandy haven't seemed to find the right combination of effective rotation.  While the unit looked better than they did bouncing off Richardson last week, in the end, there were still a few too many missed angles, un-fought-through blocks, and open-field whiffs to earn good marks this week.

Overall grade: B-

Secondary

The top-performing unit on Saturday was a welcome surprise.  D'Anton Lynn baited the shaky Kent State quarterback into Penn State's first interception of the year, and Derrick Thomas came in at the nickelback position and was the wrong person to pick on.  He just blanketed his mark, deflected two passes and picked off another.  Stephon Morris led the team with 9 tackles (and whiffed on at least one big one in the flat), and Scrap had all the corners playing much closer to the line of scrimmage.  The whole unit appeared to play with an increased aggressive mindset.  Andrew Dailey came in for Astorino, who JoePa indicated didn't practice two days last week because he reinjured his shoulder, and looked to always be around the ball, in addition to actually looking like a football player.  Nick Sukay didn't have any glaring big play mistakes.

Overall grade: A-

Executive Summary

Because of all our own offensive turnovers, Kent State ended up with 13 possessions.  Six of them lasted three plays or less, and two of those ended in interceptions.  Five of them began in Penn State territory, including one on our own 30, which ended with a missed FG.  The Penn State defense forced nine punts, allowed 12 first downs and 170 yards passing on 20 completions, and stuffed the rushing attack to 58 yards on 25 attempts, for a measly 2.5 yards per carry average.  They had two sacks and 10 TFLs, and recorded JoePa's 41st shutout victory, the first since blanking the Golden Goophers in October last year.  While the inexperienced linebackers obviously still have some work to do, the defense responded very nicely to adversity placed upon them by the young and inconsistent offense, and look more and more prepared to begin Big Ten play.  They're a few plays and a dash of consistency away from being presumed excellent, but the buckling down and preservation of the shutout earned them this week's high marks.

Overall Grade: A

Special Teams

Three of Anthony Fera's five kickoffs were not returned, but the other two were returned for a net 35 yards.  His three punts averaged out to 46 yards per, with one overdone into the endzone for a touchback and one pinned inside the 20. It looks like there still is some synergy missing between his kicking/punting performance and special teams coverage.  Colin Wagner remained perfect on PATs and nailed his 27 yarder, but dropped his perfect FG record by badly missing a 43 yarder in the fourth quarter.

The shutout limited kickoff returns, but Malcolm Willis returned our only one 35 yards to give us good field position before Bolden and Royster jacked up the long handoff exchange.  Justin Brown looked physically tough on his three punt returns and worked the stiff arm to nice success, even if he wasn't given much room to run by the return team.  Devon Smith gave the Big Ten plenty to be wary of on his only return, for 16 yards.  So far, the two-returner system has left open the question of how well we can block the extra man, but has demonstrated that both receivers (excluding Astorino, who was in on more of a punt-defense formation on his fair catch) are capable of doing something with the ball, if the protection can give them some space in which to work.

Overall grade: B

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I think you mispelled

Golden Goofers. But then I’ve always mixed up “f” with the “ph” combo.

Good work jtot. Do you have a scientific method for grading or do you go with the gut?

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Sep 20, 2010 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks, dude

I’m barely treading water here learning this trade, so any flavor of feedback is greatly appreciated.

Re: scientific method: I thought a lot about that this week. Fundamentally, my most important metric is scoring defense, which is why my YSU & Kent grades are so high. You keep the offense off the scoreboard, however stylistically shoddy you look in real play analysis, and you’re still doing your job: giving your own offense every reasonable chance to win the game.

Next in line is a toss between overall yardage defense and forcing punts. Sometimes, but not always, we’ll be able to avoid the Bend in BBDS, and totally shut down an opposing offense from all forms of yardage (58 rush yards on 25 carries certainly qualifies). And if that fails, and the Bend begins making appearances, it can be quickly mitigated by punts. They went 50 yards on four drives and were forced to punt from our 35 each time? BBDS! When I look at a drive chart and see 13 possessions and 9 punts, I’m giving a high overall grade.

After those three metrics, I start diving into minutia: look at the play by play charts and try to remember the video and who did what on each play, check out other unit type stats (TFLs are big for Dline, picks and tackles for secondary and LBs), and remember/note where somebody whiffed a tackle or made a great hit. I’m hoping to have my pvr setup in time for the Iowa game so I can add still pics and vids more easily and accentuate analysis that way, maybe get better at pointing out places where the opposing QB made a horrific play, unprompted by our D. Maybe that analysis will mitigate some of the seemingly high grades I’ve doled out thus far, but I hope to stay consistent to this metric priority analysis.

And I almost always err on the side of the ph versus f. As in jtothemotherphuquingp

Thanks again, to you and everybody, for any feedback.

Our defense can still grow to become excellent.

by jtothep on Sep 20, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm getting concerned

about the ability of our outside linebackers to chase down Denard Robinson. When it was Lee and Bowman out there, running QBS had no chance. This year, I’m not so sure.

by PSU Mudder on Sep 20, 2010 2:19 PM EDT reply actions  

luckily that game is later on in the season

hopefully by then Mauti or Hodges are back to 100%. Or Fortt is acclimated to the position.

by skarocksoi on Sep 20, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

or clayborn eats him

by jman07 on Sep 20, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's true

he might not make it to our game.

by skarocksoi on Sep 20, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

DR had 17 more carries this week

That is 65 or 70 already. It will start taking a toll.

by BMAN13 on Sep 20, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have no fear...

Greg Robinson is still Michigan’s DC

Joe

by QBsneak12 on Sep 20, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

but michigan is back

theyre 3-0! rich has his type of qb so they have to win! i love the national media glossing over the fact that they cant stop anybody on defense

by jman07 on Sep 20, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

and everyone was fawning over Forcier this time last year.

He was only running about 15 times a game and it took its toll by 5th or 6th game.

by BMAN13 on Sep 20, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree and agree

There was a time last year where Michigan fans thought they were going undefeated. I’ll give them improvement, but their defense sucks and their offense is extremely playground. Ron Jaworski once said, “you don’t win championships playing recess football”.

by cpm126 on Sep 20, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a good quote..

by Jaworski and I like him, but what does he know about winning a championship?

Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand.

by Esteban d' Amur on Sep 21, 2010 7:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ouch!

He knows a heck of a lot about throwing interceptions, though…

Maybe Koa Misi and Jared Odrick would be Patriots if Bill Parcells wasn't Comedic.Sans's father...

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 23, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Robert Smith FTW

Did you catch his remarks at halftime, regarding Michigan’s defense? Something to the effect of:

‘usually, when you watch an FBS vs FCS football game, the first thing that jumps out at you is the size difference. The FBS guys are just way bigger. I’m looking at this game, and can’t see any difference. Michigan’s running that 3-3-5 defense and they may as well be running a zero-zero-11.’

Our defense can still grow to become excellent.

by jtothep on Sep 20, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heard that as well

Best thing that ever came out of his mouth. They were all ripping on michigan’s D after that. Except for McShay, but he’s a tool.

by skarocksoi on Sep 20, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Robert Smith is awesome

I still have no idea why he chose to go to Ohio State, but he is an impressive dude.

Our defense can still grow to become excellent.

by jtothep on Sep 20, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

What was really annoying

When they announced UMass was up 17-7, Brian Griese stopped caring about the Penn State game that HE WAS CALLING. He wanted to talk about Michigan.

by BSD on Sep 20, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Griese was a tool all game

I scoffed when he called Green more of a “power” guy. Granted, Green just had a tough run, but still.

by skarocksoi on Sep 20, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also screwed up a bunch of names.

But hey, when you only work a few hours a week, how are you supposed to find time to learn the names of literally dozens of people.

"Until somebody knocks you on your rear end, and pardon me ladies, but unless somebody knocks you on your rear end, you're never going to learn." - Joe Paterno

by Illegal Formation on Sep 20, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

brian vs his old man

im not quite sure whos more annoying

by jman07 on Sep 20, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everybody has their own announcer opinions

but I always liked the old man, especially when Griese / Nessler were the A team. I actually think Nessler is the one getting annoying with his stupid Dick Stockton catch phrases.

by cpm126 on Sep 20, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

It always seems like bad

announcers are not only bad announcers, they also lack in preparation? Maybe it’s just an experience thing. However, these guys work three hours a week on the air. I’ll give them seven hours a week for production prep, which leaves 30 hours for learning the teams. Divide that by two and you are left with 15 hours. I can learn a hell of a lot about a football team in 15 hours.

by cpm126 on Sep 20, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right,

being annoying is forgivable, failing to learn names and numbers and basic rules is not.

"Until somebody knocks you on your rear end, and pardon me ladies, but unless somebody knocks you on your rear end, you're never going to learn." - Joe Paterno

by Illegal Formation on Sep 20, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree..

could it also be bad spotters? With those noon games, you get the C or D announcing team and probably the C or D production/support team.

Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand.

by Esteban d' Amur on Sep 21, 2010 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, like the 260lb black

Grahm Zug fumbling a kickoff last year against Indiana?

by cpm126 on Sep 21, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand.

by Esteban d' Amur on Sep 21, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

yea i love how dickrod is like, “hes carried the ball a little too much, well have to not run him quite so much” and then proceed to run him 20+ times

by jman07 on Sep 20, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

We may score 40 on UM, but I fear we’re gonna need them.

Rambler stole my thing.
Beat Temple.

by jesse. on Sep 20, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's if "Velcro" Robinson is still breathing

I don’t see him being able to take the Big 10 beating and make it to 11/6. If he is still around and healthy, I think we can prepare for him…although, how much does the BBDS change week-to-week?

Beat Kent State.

by rju103 on Sep 20, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem isn't the linebackers, it's the defensive line.

We shut them down last year because Odrick was getting in Little Genius Return of Jim Harbaugh In the Highest’s face every play..

Remember Leonard Part 6? Yeah.
Beat Temple.

by ReadingRambler on Sep 20, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I'm still reserving judgement.

Right now, it’s:

OMG Tate Robinson just beat ND at home in South Bend! And Indiana’s UMass’s offense is really tough so whatever!

Remember Leonard Part 6? Yeah.
Beat Temple.

by ReadingRambler on Sep 20, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

couldnt agree more

ill base my judgement on where michigan stands after the iowa game and not a minute before. denard is freakishly fast and looks like he actually can throw decently now…but i think hes going to be dismembered somewhere between the 2nd half of michigan state and the first half of iowa

by jman07 on Sep 21, 2010 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I changed my sig for you.

"How do you ask a man to be the first man to commit to Temple? How do you ask a man to be the last man to play for a lost cause?"

by ReadingRambler on Sep 20, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I noticed, it wasn't really necessary.

Yours would probably be funnier anyway.

Rambler stole my thing.
Beat Temple.

by jesse. on Sep 21, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I liked what Dailey did while in

He looked agressive and really hit guys. Maybe when we go to Nickle we should plug him in at Hero and slide Astorino to nickleback.

by skarocksoi on Sep 20, 2010 2:21 PM EDT reply actions  

that would mean that thomas would be out, no thanks…he played very well

by jman07 on Sep 20, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

PSU needs to find more ways to get Thomas on the field, not off.
Astorino does not need to play.
Sukay had a better game than normal, because much like an O-lineman, you never heard his name called for a HUGE mistake.

by emccomb1 on Sep 20, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

So he did, good catch

I suppose I’m guilty of punt returner profiling there.

Our defense can still grow to become excellent.

by jtothep on Sep 20, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of punt returns

How about Devon Smith getting crushed on the J. Brown return.
That little bugger just popped right back up. He’s great.

by emccomb1 on Sep 20, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love Devon Smith.

I bought my son his jersey last year, and have been wearing it this year myself since he has had to work every saturday.

by BMAN13 on Sep 20, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meh

is the only word to describe the LBs at this point.

"Until somebody knocks you on your rear end, and pardon me ladies, but unless somebody knocks you on your rear end, you're never going to learn." - Joe Paterno

by Illegal Formation on Sep 20, 2010 2:23 PM EDT reply actions  

agreed

weve become spoiled of having multiple all-americans playing together the last few years, from poz to connor, to lee, bowman, and even hull. all the LBs are a step slow to the spot, whether that is instincts or ability remains to be seen.

by jman07 on Sep 20, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you

In my week one grades I said they were not playing well and I pretty much got run out of the internet for it.

by BSD on Sep 20, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wanted to believe there wouldn’t be a drop off, and long term I still think these guys will be an outstanding unit, but many of us underestimated the experience and acclimation factors.

"Until somebody knocks you on your rear end, and pardon me ladies, but unless somebody knocks you on your rear end, you're never going to learn." - Joe Paterno

by Illegal Formation on Sep 20, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

we left you back this time

just dont let it happen again, mmmmkkkk? haha

by jman07 on Sep 20, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Average at best

Our LBs have looked average at best over the course of three games. That is not good considering the competition outside of Bama. Hodges was a huge loss to the unit. He really seemed to have a lot of upside and I thought he may be getting the majority of the snaps come Iowa. I would like to see more of Fortt. There were still a lot of missed tackles this past week. No way I give the D an A grade. You can’t give them credit for the Kent State QB’s poor performance. C at best. I hope they are having a tough week of practice since Iowa looms on the horizon.

I thought only safeties played 15 yards off the ball?

by pic15 on Sep 21, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

A C? For a shutout?

Our defense can still grow to become excellent.

by jtothep on Sep 21, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

C is a little harsh…no matter who you play, scoring a shutout is a pretty good effort. we didnt even shut out YSU..heck alabama didnt even shut out duke or san jose state. especially when you realize how many possessions KSU started on our side of the field

by jman07 on Sep 21, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

No mention here

of how horrid the opposing QB looked in making the D appear to be this good?

by AreWeGoodThisYear? on Sep 20, 2010 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

or was it the other way around?

Guys were covered and there were no run lanes. They hit the screen due to a tad over aggressive DE’s but the kid wasn’t horrible. He got hit almost every time he threw. He hurried a pile of throws because of inside pressure and the linebackers were getting very deep drops, another reason for the screen success. You watch your game, I’ll watch mine.

by BMAN13 on Sep 20, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, the QB was a BIG factor.

He overthrew loads and loads of open WRs.

'We've got too many people analyzing everything and sometimes they don't know what they're talking about.' -Joseph Vincent Paterno

by PSUinBOSSton on Sep 20, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I haven't had a chance to watch it on TV

From high up in the stadium west side, he didn’t have many options and was hurried a lot. I’ll have to try and see it on TV. He always had to get over a linebacker and did not drop the pass into the zones well but the linebacker drops seemed much deeper than usual. I do not once remember thinking we got away with leaving someone open. They just didn’t look that open from my seats.

by BMAN13 on Sep 20, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could be the difference in the POV then

But I thought I saw a couple of real missed opportunities for their offense throughout the game with bad throws (may have been some bad drops in there too though.)

by AreWeGoodThisYear? on Sep 20, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

He only missed on 16 passes, 2 int’s, 2 batted down by Thomas, one separated by a Dailey hit. That leaves only nine misses. Hard to believe they were all wide open guys that he missed. I just think you are exagerating how poorly the QB played when it comes to accuracy. he as not a good QB but it wasn’t like there were that many opportunities. Hill, Still and Ogbu had him moving constantly.

by BMAN13 on Sep 20, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think one was a big 3rd and long where he had a guy open but missed him high

it was also after one of our turnovers, so everyone was in “oh no, we suck again!” overreaction mode. Therefor, he was terrible and thats the reason we won.

by skarocksoi on Sep 20, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

You think missing a wide open guy

4-5 times in one game is not that poor? I’m not saying it was the difference between winning and losing this game, but it was enough to make me uncomfortable.

'We've got too many people analyzing everything and sometimes they don't know what they're talking about.' -Joseph Vincent Paterno

by PSUinBOSSton on Sep 20, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looking up his basic stats

keith has a completion percentage of about 62-63% (per NCAA statistics) and averages 6 yards per pass. His first game was about 68.6% (against Murray State) his second game (against BC) was 63.9% with longs of 49 and 32 yards respectively.

Against PSU he was at 55% with a long of 17.

There’s limited data to work from, but with the reasonable success he had against a BCS school like BC, such a dramatic drop says to me that the defense played some part in his lack of success.

by skarocksoi on Sep 20, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

the d def applying pressure made him antsy

but he def air-mailed a few passes on some wide open guys. i think our corners could be the best weve had in years…the safeties still scare me. the open receivers seemed to be where the LBs were in coverage. im not impressed by them at all, especially in coverage right now

by jman07 on Sep 20, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think one of the comments Griese made was along the lines of

“as a QB, once you miss that first pass, you start overthinking and missing on the others”

basically saying he got out of a rhythm and wasn’t able to get back into things. The big question is, was this an individual choke effort, or was it due to the defense disrupting him so much?

by The JuggerNitt on Sep 20, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

My view was the KSU QB was bad, at best.

I was suprised that his statistcial line was as forgiving as it was. It’s not the only reason they lost, but it’s why they got shut out to be certain.

Rambler stole my thing.
Beat Temple.

by jesse. on Sep 20, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

He missed some opportunities

But that wasn’t the only reason why the defense did so well. And the defense did a good job of rushing him to make mistakes. Pressure is pressure, even if it doesn’t reach the QB.

by skarocksoi on Sep 20, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

He had some terrible misses

I just remember the one where his guy was wide open without a blue shirt in ten yards of him and the Keith threw it way out of bounds.

by BSD on Sep 20, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keith Spencer?

Was he the one with the flipped up collar?

Our defense can still grow to become excellent.

by jtothep on Sep 20, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

The QB was mediocre. We get some credit for making it tough, but some of those plays he just outright was off target. Those are things Stanzi and even Pryor would complete regularly, I think.

by gcdyersb on Sep 20, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can't be sure

about Pryor. The arm punt would still be hanging up in the air.

by confirmy on Sep 20, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

again with stats (which I know don't mean everything)...

He’s on the same level, completion % wise. Actually Pryor is historically worse, though this year he’s much better (aside from an awful game against Miami). Those two QB’s also have QB ratings and higher yards per attempt though.

by skarocksoi on Sep 20, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

He completed 16 passes in a row though!

And then he threw in a pair of TERRIBLE INTs. Just…for kicks, you know.

Maybe Koa Misi and Jared Odrick would be Patriots if Bill Parcells wasn't Comedic.Sans's father...

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 23, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I remember thinking several times during the game, “Thank goodness the Kent State QB is so inaccurate, or else we could be in trouble.” I’m shocked to hear his completion % was 55 or so. I would’ve guessed it was closer to 40%. That’s how bad I thought he looked.

Let's Go State!

by Gopher Broke on Sep 21, 2010 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

AGREED

Poor QB play by KS made me nervous. They easily could have connected on 3-4 more big plays but didn’t because the throw was wayward.

by BP_PSU on Sep 20, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

there were no big plays open

he could have hit one or two 15 yd passes if he could throw with Devon Still in his face. The d-line had their hands up and definitely disrupted the QB play. I don’t know why everyone wants to degrade a decent, not spectacular, defensive effort. If he missed on 3 or 4 of 36 passes that makes him normal. He was forced into bad decisions by pressure. No he is not Sanchez but we didn’t have to defense like he was either. The worse passes he threw were going to be 6 yd completions in front of LB’s. People need to learn the game a little if they have never played.

by BMAN13 on Sep 20, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

why must you always get personal?

we disagree. big deal. move on. My comments, and others agree, were merely that the D was let off the hook a bit by a QB who missed some throws. Did Keith miss all of them? NO. But, a better QB would have capitalized more. I’m not saying the D played horribly, all I’m saying is that they still have improvement to make. I think we can all agree on that.

BTW – I did play the game, for 10 years. My comments are rooted in my feel for what I am seeing based on my football experience, and yes, they are my opinion. If you don’t agree, then fine. But don’t regress into groundless attacks. This is a blog. People express their opinions on a blog. That is all.

Check out with 6:36 left in the 1st Q (just one example of a missed “big” play).

by BP_PSU on Sep 20, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keith definitely missed a few passes when he wasn't under pressure

I can think of at least 2 that I thought at the time he should have made easily, and both would have been for decent gains (one probably 15-20+ yards). They were not a result of anything other than QB error. I wasn’t paying enough attention all game to critique his entire performance, and while some of it was due to defensive pressure, some of it was just plain bad.

by The JuggerNitt on Sep 20, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

good write up.

LB’s still trying to figure stuff out. Bani did look good playing off of blocks this week. I think Dailey will start getting some more PT. He was really hitting. Crawford not starting seems to have lit a bit of a fire too.

by BMAN13 on Sep 20, 2010 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks, man

Looks like we watched the same game.

Our defense can still grow to become excellent.

by jtothep on Sep 20, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bani's instincts are improved and I credit Vandy for that.

The problem is that he’s not talented/strong/whatever enough to get off the blocks against better teams.

Remember Leonard Part 6? Yeah.
Beat Temple.

by ReadingRambler on Sep 20, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was impressed with this
Scrap had all the corners playing much closer to the line of scrimmage

This is a good thing to see, let our athletic secondary jam them a little at the line, and a big break from our BBDS traditions.

Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils

by psu on Sep 20, 2010 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Exactly

+1

Penn State isn't just football, it's life.
@Ben_Jones88

by Ben Jones on Sep 20, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it going to hold up though

Come the Big 10 schedule? I will keep my fingers crossed but am not hopeful!

I thought only safeties played 15 yards off the ball?

by pic15 on Sep 21, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

It looks like Scrap

May be challenging your Sig…..

Our defense can still grow to become excellent.

by jtothep on Sep 21, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that was cool

I literally did a double take and hit rewind on the dvr when the thought first popped into my head. Sho nuff, Lynn, Morris & even Thomas right up in there. Pretty cool to see.

Our defense can still grow to become excellent.

by jtothep on Sep 20, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

and the CBs had two picks.

Hmmmm.

"Until somebody knocks you on your rear end, and pardon me ladies, but unless somebody knocks you on your rear end, you're never going to learn." - Joe Paterno

by Illegal Formation on Sep 20, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

On the one hand, you've got your effect

On the other, you’ve got your cause?

Our defense can still grow to become excellent.

by jtothep on Sep 20, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

interesting... I think we've stumbled upon something!

Seriously, the strength of this defense right now is the corners, of all things. The line is coming along a little slowly and the LB’s are still in spring practice. If Bradley is doing what I think he’s doing, he’s getting the CB’s ready for a lot of man coverage so we can get out of this wide open zone coverage. The LB’s are going to need help this year.

McGloin Despite Them

Preaching the McGospel since Aug. 2nd, 2010

by millzners on Sep 20, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would be great to see more man with two deep!

Our famous zone has been exploited by the good teams in the last few years and I think the good teams will copy that strategy until we change. We don’t have to go away from our 3-deep zone completely, but mixing in different coverages will go a long way. Why not use our corners to roll-up and jam??

I hope Bradley is moving that way, but we’ll have to wait and see come conference play.

by BP_PSU on Sep 20, 2010 5:00 PM EDT reply actions  

why?

You play to win, not impress message board people. If you know a team can’t beat you deep and you don’t have to blitz, you don’t risk giving up the big play. They were not playing USC, they were playing Kent St.

by BMAN13 on Sep 20, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did I do something to you?

You are right again, BMAN. Yes, in the words of the immortal Herm Edwards: “HELLO! You play to win the game!”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMk5sMHj58I

I was merely commenting on the use of our corners going forward, against better opponents than Kent State. Opponents like Mich St. or an eventual bowl opponent, with good physical receivers and a veteran QB, or any other team that has a good passing attack.

My OPINION is that it might be beneficial to use our skilled cover corners to mix up coverages and allow our LBs and safeties to react to the play more instead of being restricted to dropping to a set zone. The zone inherently has holes, which if given time, most good QBs will find. The zone still has its place, of course, and it has been successful for Penn St. over the years, but I think its always a good thing to be able to give the opposing QB different looks and to disrupt timing.

Finally, I would never presume that the coaches should coach to please a bunch of hacks like us. They’ll do what they think is best for the team, and no matter what scheme they employ, I’ll cheer and yell and Monday morning quarterback from my chair and love every minute of it.

by BP_PSU on Sep 20, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is odd is that going back through as many posts as you can, you never cheer.

You only pick. I guess that is what bothers me. I don’t mind disagreement, I don’t mind being wrong. I don’t care for people that only post negative. I went back through the in game posts and you never once congradulated a good play, only comments like, d is horrible, every one but Sukay, KS QB missed TONS of open passes. Not tons, a few. There, that is my problem with posters like you. There is criticism that is justified and then there are people who only criticize. Yes, its your right. It just comes across as either someone just stirring the pot or someone that is just a very depressing person to be around and in here I have to be around you, and yes I can stop reading and posting anytime. I will stop responding to you. You can enjoy your negative posts and I will not question what you say. If a guy missing 2 open receivers out of 36 throws justifies saying a ton, which in turn does degrade a good d effort, then I’ll let that be. The d could not have done any better scoreboard wise. Is there room to improve, yes. I would bet they do improve. My guess is that when I get home from the Temple game and look at posts, it won’t be much different than what I read this past week.

by BMAN13 on Sep 20, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have yet to see him actually say anything insulting to you

maybe his wording is a little harsh, but I think he was just responding to your comment. We all probably shouldn’t take opposing opinions so personally. Everyone is just voicing them and having discussions. Spread the love.

by skarocksoi on Sep 20, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

" with good physical receivers "

Maybe we can hope THEY play their 150 lb WRs too?

by '85Fan on Sep 20, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

worst thread responses ever.

Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils

by psu on Sep 20, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our 150 lb WR scored a TD Saturday

if you ever actually had a point, it was lost a long time ago with your completely unrelated responses, lack of any real reasoning, and an agenda that is blatantly obvious to everyone here. I doubt few, if any other posters will ever read and consider any of your posts ever again, whether they be valid or not.

by skarocksoi on Sep 20, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our 3 deep has cost us games.....

Michigan St. 09 comes to mind right off the bat.

I thought only safeties played 15 yards off the ball?

by pic15 on Sep 21, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought we beat Sparty in 09?

It will take a lot more analysis to make a guess as to potential wins using man coverage vs. the 3 deep.

by Frank O'Brien on Sep 21, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Totally off topic here, but

is it confusing to anyone else that we have Devon Smith and Devon Still and Curtis Dukes and Curtis Drake (even though the Drake is hurt)?

For the glory

by Paige2PSU on Sep 20, 2010 6:02 PM EDT reply actions  

I'll give you a hint as to how I sort them out

Devon Still >>>>> Devon Smith

Curdis Dukes >>>>> Curtis Drake

Next time you find yourself confused, just ask yourself this quick quesiton:
Does the player look like a Mack truck, or a smurf?

by The JuggerNitt on Sep 20, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I at least know on the Devon's

Smith = Offense, Still = Defense. But both Curtis’s are offense. Thanks for the Mack Truck vs. Smurf categorization. Of course, we could just write DayVon instead of Devon for Smith from now on.

For the glory

by Paige2PSU on Sep 20, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good question. They're not from the same town, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything.

At the same time, Jones is a pretty common last name. You should already know this Derry, what with your inside connections!

For the glory

by Paige2PSU on Sep 20, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

True dat!!

Immediately after my post, Steve called me and said that neither of them were related, but staunch PSs none the less.

by DerryPharmer on Sep 20, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would be neat if they were cousins or something,

It would add to the father/son and brothers that we’ve had play over the years. Might have replaced the “Evan Royster played Lacross” and “Jack Crawford never played football until a few years ago” comments, or at least brought some variation to the commentating. Too bad, sigh

For the glory

by Paige2PSU on Sep 20, 2010 9:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Defensive line

I actually didn’t think the defensive line looked that good on Saturday. Especially in the first half, it seemed like they were always in pass rush mode, and therefore getting too far upfield and out of position, opening lanes for the running back to gash us. Recall that Kent State was moving the ball pretty well in the first couple quarters. In a word, our D-Line looked undisciplined. To be fair, it seemed like they started playing better as the game went on, but their undisciplined play is definitely not giving me any warm fuzzies about being able to stop Iowa’s or Ohio State’s run games. If we don’t improve more it could easily turn into Alabama all over again (but without trying to bring down such a beast like Richardson).

Let's Go State!

by Gopher Broke on Sep 21, 2010 8:22 AM EDT reply actions  

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