Nitt Links Thinks Beaver Stadium Could Be Bigger Too
by Ben Jones on Sep 7, 2010 8:01 AM EDT
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If you watched the Boise State-VT game last night you got to see quite the game. Hopefully you enjoyed it as much as I did and found a way to stomach the halftime show.
I understand why people get upset that Boise State has an easy road to the National Championship Game. In Boise State defense though It isn't like they make it to a big game and get stomped, these guys will give any team in the country issues. Is it a little unfair? Yea...but..USC had to march through a tough Pac-10 all those years right?
If college football wants the right teams to make it to the title they need a playoff. Boise State isn't ruining football, the BCS is ruining football by making it a business first.
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Lots of news is starting to hit the wire as we get closer to gameday, Bleacher Report is losing it's mind and everybody and their brother wants to give you their two cents. I waded through the slop and came out with some real news.
Alabama will not appeal Marcell Dareus' two game suspension
As somebody said earlier-- If Marcell Dareus played for Penn State--NCAA puts Dareus out for 2 weeks, Joe says "Ok, but he's going to sit out all year"
Forget SJSU, Bring on Penn State - Roll 'Bama Roll
I didn't always like Bama fans. I'll admit it. Some of them rubbed me the wrong way with their constant SEC gospel. The more I've read Roll Bama Roll though I've gained a lot of respect for a very rich traditional fanbase. Alabama and Penn State aren't that different in their core and it's made me appreciate the series that we're starting this year even more.
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Penn State's special teams off to hot start
If you hadn't noticed.
Nike has been making all of those fancy jersey's. This would have been Penn State's version.
Beaver Stadium North Egress & ADA Seating
Have fun guessing what that all means. I do know that Penn State wants to rebuild the West Boxes, but this is taking place in the North Endzone so your guess is as good as mine.
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i think i'll stick w/ the classic uni's
thank you.
"They say in Happy Valley that if God wasn’t a Penn State fan, why is the sky blue and white?" Fortt said. "Who am I to argue with God?"
It looks a little bit Big East-ish for me
But I do like the pants and the underarmor sleeves. Those would be cool to have.
I liked the part where I closed the page.
"This is the last time we're going on the field tonight and we're going to bust our butts and stop them again and get this game over." - Mike Reid, 1970 Orange Bowl
by ReadingRambler on Sep 7, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
We NEVER need to do pro combats
Those jersey’s, if that is indeed legit and I have my doubts, suck major donkey balls.
When in doubt, punt!
- John Heisman
They are not legit.
Someone with too much time on his or her hands made those. I read that on here somewhere.
If they were legit, I would stop caring about Penn State. Seriously.
by ReadingRambler on Sep 7, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Has everyone seen OSU's?
Apparently they won WW2. Maybe some fodder for Rambler et al.
"Until somebody knocks you on your rear end, and pardon me ladies, but unless somebody knocks you on your rear end, you're never going to learn." - Joe Paterno
by Illegal Formation on Sep 7, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
They claim a "Co-Winning" of WW2 but apparently that still counts as much as a French victory in WW2
When in doubt, punt!
- John Heisman
by carolinaeasy on Sep 7, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 12 recs
I see recs in your future.
"Until somebody knocks you on your rear end, and pardon me ladies, but unless somebody knocks you on your rear end, you're never going to learn." - Joe Paterno
by Illegal Formation on Sep 7, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s…what…she..said?
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by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Sep 7, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Gosh, those are stupid. I bet the Soviets wore those in Hungary in '56.
I hate Nike so much.
by ReadingRambler on Sep 7, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Those are fairly...unimpressive uniforms...
They leave me completely empty.
Can Abbrederis shoot the long three and effectively distribute the ball to his big men?
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 7, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
To be honest, this mock up for PSU isn’t terrible unlike most Nike creations. That said, I still much prefer our classic uniform. Plain is good.
Yeah
I’d never want to see them on the field. Ever. But I don’t see the harm in a little creative dabbling.
Also
I’m surprised they didn’t play off the whole “White Out” thing and go all white with the uni’s.
The blue is too bright
And an inverted helmet kind of makes me want to vomit.
You don’t mess with perfection.
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I agree...
The TCU and VT unis are looking a little too XFLish. This is COLLEGE football.
by LowcountryLion on Sep 7, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Anybody think that Saban's just saying they're not appealing
And then Dareus will be playing Saturday night?
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
That would result in the game being an automatic loss, would it not?
You can’t play an ineligible player.
Sure you can.
Pete Carroll made a career of it.
"I’ll drink through the weirdness." - Illegal Formation
by leeharvey418 on Sep 7, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I mean that its being pushed through as we speak.
The NCAA doesn’t publicly announce player suspensions. To my knowledge, its always the program that does. In this case, I could see Bama pursuing an appeal and saying they’re not.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
I see what you're saying
Thats uber-shady. If I were the NCAA guy in charge of approving/denying that request and saw the form on my desk while Bama was out preaching that they wouldn’t do anything, I’d crumple it up and toss it in the trash cause obviously it must have been a mistake.
I don't think so
I think the Tide would rather have Dareus for the SEC slate. After all, they need fast players for those games, right? /sarcasm
Let's Go State!
by Gopher Broke on Sep 7, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
We need Marcel for every game
We were relieved when he only got two games not because we don’t need him for you guys, but we were afraid he could get more than that. Obviously, we would rather have him for our league games. We want to win a NC but winning the SEC is important to our fan base too. Marcel Dareus is a special player and we look forward to seeing him play the following week. We need him for Arkansas especially because of that arial circus they have going on there. MD was practically unblockable in the Spring and we look forward to having him back. We don’t have another one like him.
Roll Tide!
by mobilematt12 on Sep 7, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
You don't need him? Against our offensive line?
Pshhhhhh, you don’t know what you’re talking about
John has a long moustache
you can keep trying to play the Rodney Dangerfield
angle if it makes you feel better but Bama respects PSU. We are favored and should win the game. If we don’t win it won’t be because we are taking you lightly. Our team is ready to play. You’ll get our best game.
Roll Tide!
by mobilematt12 on Sep 7, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
No offense meant by this, but you aren't on the team.
You personally might respect and not look past us, but that has absolutely no relation to what is happening in the locker room and on the practice field. Fans need to keep this in mind before they say things like “we aren’t taking you lighly” and “our team is ready to play.”
by VVeRPennState on Sep 7, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course not
but I follow the program enough to know that we don’t disrespect our competition. This is not the first time we have faced a top 20 team in the past 2 years and been a heavy favorite. We have Duke on deck so if you guys are counting on the Tide looking past Penn State on national television…don’t. To beat Bama PSU will have to play their best football. This is being viewed as a big game not a walk in the park. You guys need to get over yourselves and this Rodney Dangerfield meme…because it isn’t playing in Tuscaloosa. That team came out fired up last week agains SJSU…do you honestly think Bama won’t be ready when the black shoes come to town?
Roll Tide!
by mobilematt12 on Sep 7, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Rodney Dangerfield ALWAYS plays
Especially when you nail a Triple Lindy in the tailgate pool.
Until our defense proves otherwise, it should be presumed they will be excellent.
Hee Hee
that was some of Rodney’s finest work.
Roll Tide!
by mobilematt12 on Sep 7, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
My favorite line from gameday last week was at Bama practice.
Saban said (or something like it anyway), “have you seen what those guys are saying on the internet, they say they are going to win, you need to start reading up.”
I love that line because he makes it sounds like Robert Bolden is on the internet writing, “I’m going to bomb away on Alabama and win by 14, I don’t even need a defense lol.” Yes, I understand it’s a motivation tactic. But still, he makes it sound like our coaches and players are writing on their own blogs and twitter accounts about how they will win.
by PSUinBOSSton on Sep 7, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly the same thing
as what is going on here. I’m sure the PSU coaches are telling their players this week they aren’t getting any respect. It is all part of the mind games coaches play.
Roll Tide!
by mobilematt12 on Sep 7, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
no tiff
just chatting about the game. I like getting some perspective from the PSU fans.
Roll Tide!
Maybe you can tighten up your expression of said sarcasm
And while you’re at it, its use in context as well.
Until our defense proves otherwise, it should be presumed they will be excellent.
Nothing to this post
Saban and Alabama, as well as most Bama fans, knew the appeal was a long shot at best. Legal people analyzed the situation and saw no precedent that they thought they could win on. Bottom line is that Saban knowing this wanted to get the distraction out of the way. Smart on his part.
Roll Tide!
by mobilematt12 on Sep 7, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
It makes sense
only if the appeal could take forever anyway. Just easier to take the loss (roster wise) and just get ready for the game.
Penn State isn't just football, it's life.
@Ben_Jones88
If it were up to SwooshU......
there would be 2 to 3 changes per year depending on the opponent…..you are aware of the old adage, “Give them an inch, etc.”……What’s next ?? "The WHITE SHOES DIARY ???
I honestly believe that if one QB is going to transfer
it’s going to be McGloin. With Bolden’s passing ability coupled with the fact that he can run, McGloin is pretty much relegated to the bench or garbage time. There’s no reason to put him out there (barring an injury) when you have another guy with a cannon arm and quick feet making good decisions.
Newsome has a spot as the #2 guy and can get in for plays designed to take advantage of his running ability. Plus he could probably be used in a couple different positions and be one of those x-factor guys.
Jones, with the redshirt, still has an opportunity to be the starter for at least 1 year, and no one has said that he won’t get a shot at the starting job this next offseason. Plus he has stated that he loves PSU and his parents love it as well. I could maybe see him going to Pitt, but if he is the competitor he is supposed to be, he wont leave.
That leaves McGloin, and while he might not have what it takes to start at PSU, he could be very successful at a place like a MAC school or a Div 1-aa school. Despite his “faults” the kid is a gamer and I think he would do well.
Sorry for the novel, I’m just sick of the transfer talk.
I don't see McGloin transferring.
He walked on here, so he knew that having a chance to start was remote at best. Either starting isn’t the number one priority for him or he is even more confident/cocky/arrogant than any of us believed.
by VVeRPennState on Sep 7, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions
True
but to go from potential starter to possible scout teamer probably wouldn’t sit well with most people, especially someone with that has that confidence/competitiveness that McGloin has. I’m not saying that he is a lock to transfer, just that I think he is the most possible out of the 3.
Jones
Jones would make the most sense as the transfer if it wasn’t for his – and his parents’ – PSU love. McGloin is fine as a backup and I don’t expect him to transfer unless his head is as big as it sounds when he is interviewed – but I would say D1-aa or D2, not mid-major.
If we are smart, we will get Newsome a lot of touches this year. I wasn’t watching him the whole game, but when I was, Newsome was up off the bench and w/ the team. After at least one of the TD passes he was 1/2 way out on to the field to congratulate RoBo. Newsome showed grit and IMO earned more playing time. While I HATE 2 QB on the field, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Bolden/Newsome out there together. Hit Newsome on a WR screen and watch him go. I would also hope to see KNew in the “wildcat” this weekend. That said, Bolden is our future, as long as he doesn’t get killed this year by our O-line’s inability to block.
While Bolden wasn’t sacked, he was knocked down a lot. I would guess 60%-75% of those knockdowns will be sacks against Alabama. Without huge help from our Defense and ST, I would be surprised if we can put points on the board. I just don’t think we will be able to control their D-line (or most of the Big10 D-lines we will see) enought to move the ball forward.
I'm glad you don't feel that way about Bama as much anymore
There are idiots and people that just make me hang my head low and wish they would shut up and take off their crimson shirts. I work at a rocking dive bar on the Strip (area of bars right next to campus and the stadium) called Egans and have had to throw out that kind of fan many a time. I bet there are some Penn St. fans that make you feel that way as well. I do know that most all of RollBamaRoll and my faction of Bama faithful are looking forward to a great game and a great atmosphere. I think those of you coming down will be greeted with hospitality and class with only a minor run ins with asshats. We have a kinda of RBR meet and greet at Egans before the games that’s very cool time to talk some x’s and o’s with some great people so feel free to stop by. You can ask for me Bo and I’ll hit you with a beer or at least a friendly face here in Tuscaloosa.
Great fans make great games
Bo, Its good to hear there are real football fans that respect the game down there and the opponents too! Can’t wait to have you up here. May I recommend The Rathskeller while you’re here in town next year. Then stop by Zeno’s after the game for their large brew selection. And don’t be afraid to wear your Crimson Jersey, it lets us know you’re from out of town that way we can share stories of the crazy antics we got ourselves into up here and other great tales that JoePa has given us.
by Stefan Choquette on Sep 7, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I think that
most every fanbase has a collection of asshats. Penn State does, we all do. I’ll always have respect for Alabama and I doubt I’ll ever dislike a fanbase the same way as I do Ohio State’s.
I look at the Alabama rivalry as the sort of a not “friendly” situation, but nothing as nasty as the weekends against UM and OSU. The sort of rivalry you have with a friend that you sometimes want to punch in the face.lol
Penn State isn't just football, it's life.
@Ben_Jones88
Well even our hospitality has it's limits
I think this video sums up how most of us feel about Tenn. Your right about it not being a snuggle fest or anything but the respect is great and I am looking forward to this game to get to get a different perspective, a view that’s not colored because of the Crimson glasses me and my friends wear
by chinesedentist on Sep 7, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I love that video
we used to watch it all the time at Paternoville. I think for a whole week we called people “they some snitches”
Penn State isn't just football, it's life.
@Ben_Jones88
You're gonna hit my friendly face with a beer?
:) It’s on my 9/11 a.m. agenda!
Until our defense proves otherwise, it should be presumed they will be excellent.
Amazing - free beer is mentioned
and jtot appears.
Hey – I’m working on some tunes for you, but not as logistically easy as I first thought.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
Like a fly to a Too Country turd
No worries, thanks! I like that site, tho. I’ll keep checkin back.
Until our defense proves otherwise, it should be presumed they will be excellent.
No need - it sends an
email when I load new material.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
well your mouth at least.
By hit I mean hand nicely to
by chinesedentist on Sep 7, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
;)
I expect there will be enough punching of mouths (/figurative’d) on the field Saturday. We’ll keep ours booze and smack (talk; heroin’s not on my recreational will do list).
Until our defense proves otherwise, it should be presumed they will be excellent.
Stadium
I’m not sure what I’m looking at with that Beaver Stadium North Egress & ADA Seating link, but it appears that the "Professional Company" listed is from Columbus, Ohio??!
Obviously it's some huge mistake
or resume padding has gone too far…
Can Abbrederis shoot the long three and effectively distribute the ball to his big men?
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 7, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
All I know is...
I better not hear about some jerkoff from Columbus coming out and saying he buried a Jim Tressel vest somewhere in the stadium.
You made me curious so I had to take a look
The good news is that the CM is local and I’m sure he’d be quite happy to bury the Architect in there if he shows up on the site with a sweater vest.
Of course burying the vest while Jimmy’s still wearing it might not be a bad idea.
by Frank O'Brien on Sep 7, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I literally threw up... but that was mostly due to the fact that I went to the gym today without eating anything first
They look horrible though
John has a long moustache
I can't believe I even went and read Flounders
Someone at PSU must have given him a wedgie recently. he hasn’t written or said one thing positive about this season, and is even still sarcastic about Joe starting the right guy, for a change, when was the last time he started the wrong guy at QB? You can bring up Senneca but he was supposedly very good in practice. Other than that I cannot think of a single time. It sure seems like The Patriot News guys have lost their connectivity to the program and are now throwing hissy fits.
…when was the last time he started the wrong guy at QB?
December 29, 2007.
"I’ll drink through the weirdness." - Illegal Formation
by leeharvey418 on Sep 7, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Penn State won that game. 24-17.
/jesse.’d
by ReadingRambler on Sep 7, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, well...
he started the wrong guy, but he finished with the right one.
"I’ll drink through the weirdness." - Illegal Formation
by leeharvey418 on Sep 7, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Um no.
Morelli finished the game. Morelli also threw a key fourth down touchdown pass.
by ReadingRambler on Sep 7, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
That doesn't change the fact
That QB14 got in the way of what could have been a very good offense.
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Skip to 0:35...
to see my ‘shining’ memory of TQBWMNBN.
"I’ll drink through the weirdness." - Illegal Formation
Uh...
As somebody said earlier— If Marcell Dareus played for Penn State—NCAA puts Dareus out for 2 weeks, Joe says “Ok, but he’s going to sit out all year”
Has he ever done anything like that before?
Ceci n'est pas un blogue.
Maybe not per se.
The only time in (my) recent memory that PSU had any NCAA involvement of any kind would have been Enis taking a suit from an agent in 97. He missed the bowl game and left, so who knows what would have ended up happening. Thats it. So I don’t know if Joe would enforce harsher penalties on his guys than the NCAA. I don’t know how he would handle NCAA related issues versus the fighting/booze/marijuana occurrences. He did kick Austin Scott off the team for a sexual assault charge which turned out to be dropped/bogus, so who knows.
We do know that he will hold talented ass kids off the field for less than being involved with agents. Some feel he has gotten more lax in his later years, but he still has a legendary doghouse.
Of course, talent level/importance will always have influence on the situation even if we like to pretend it doesn’t.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
Numerous times
Joe keeps kids off the field for slipping academically long before their near NCAA academic cutoffs. Joe Jeruvicius was eligible to play in the Citrus Bowl under NCAA guidelines not Paterno’s. Enis’s case is the most similar to Dareus and he was done as soon as he accepted the suit, had he been an underclassmen who knows if he would have been back. Paterno did lobby hard to have the state legislature enact laws against agents doing anything like this in PA.
As for recent years, Austin Scott missed a whole lot of playing time for numerous transgressions. Maybe he could have been a Heisman Winner or contender if he went to another school. Dan Conner, Scirotto’s Posse, Baker, Taylor, Stabby McShankerson, William Tell, Bobby Engram, LJjr, Brandon Ware, Cheech and Chong (aka. Abe and Mo) all missed varioius amounts of game time due to failing to meet Paterno’s regulations. In most cases all were well clear of NCAA violations.
by Frank O'Brien on Sep 7, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasn't there a brief conversation about this?
the NCAA’s standards failing to meet Joe’s standards? He may not have had many opportunities to prove it, but he’s established a pattern. He likes to win, but not enough to let a bunch of kids get away with whatever the hell they want. A teacher first, a coach second.
What did DC do? I don’t think I’ve read that story.
Connor (not to be confused with DC17)
Was doghoused for multiple prank phone calls to an ex-PSU assistant coach.
Until our defense proves otherwise, it should be presumed they will be excellent.
It's not hilarious when you know all the details of the case.
I thought it was funny myself when I found out who the assistant coach was, but then when the little detail about dementia surfaced, I felt sorry for the guy.
I may have called him (that particular coach) an ass on more than one occasion myself, but losing your grip on reality is something I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy.
"I’ll drink through the weirdness." - Illegal Formation
Is that what the entire thing was about?
The link wasn’t too detailed, so I took it to meant that Connor was acting like a 14 year old rather than Connor was acting like a jackass.
In that case, I retract the above statement. Joe’s face must’ve been scary.
Actually, who was it that was suspended for firing the cross-bow in Nittany Apartments.
That was more of a “boys will be boys” kind of thing.
For the glory
I think that was a reply fail. Several players in 2005 got suspended
because they were shooting bows at their apartment wall (turns out it was a compound bow not crossbow, whatever that means). One of the arrows went part of the way through the wall into a neighbor’s apartment. She freaked and called the police.
For the glory
a compound bow
opposed to a “regular” bow
and definitely not a crossbow
by The JuggerNitt on Sep 7, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of bows
Did anyone know there is still a rifle and bow shooting range in the White building? It was locked when I went there, but you could see inside. It looked like the place hadn’t been used for 30 years or more, but was still cool to see.
I wish there was an archery range at one of the athletic facilities on campus that students could use, I’ve always enjoyed archery, but never had enough access to do it often enough to improve.
good to know
its still there, PSU used to have both rifle team, and offered rifle as a a phys ed class (there, showing my age)
Ben and Alex... first commits for 2024, but temporarily replaced, since i couldnt resist the sign
EZ Smith & Mike Sothern
I hung out with Smith at the Lions Den the summer after this happened, bought him a pitcher and asked him what happened. The story here
http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2005/04/04-21-05tdc/04-21-05dnews-09.asp
sums it up fairly well. The only part I remember he added was that they had a target up on the wall for it, and they missed a couple times.
There's not a huge body of work to examine
For Penn State agent violations. For all the different non-academic trouble players have gotten into lately (weed, fights, booze), violations involving agents has not been one of them. Perhaps Joe makes this more clear than others as to what is unacceptable. Enis accepted a suit and was gone.
While the assertion that this hypothetical player would be out for a year may sound exaggerative, it is difficult to imagine Joe learning of the acceptance of gifts of airfare, lodging and meals during two separate trips to Miami and allowing that player to the see the field again that season, if ever.
Until our defense proves otherwise, it should be presumed they will be excellent.
What constitutes an NCAA violation?
Since you listed meals there, is like a friend taking you out to dinner a no-no, or is it more like someone pays for you to eat all week.
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So, if I'm getting this straight...
The basis for that statement is JoePa booting a kid for a grand total of one game, which the NCAA would have been happy to do for JoePa instead.
And from that, we extrapolate that JoePa would see the NCAA’s two-game punishment and say “hell, make it 12!”?
Joe Paterno is a great coach. There’s really no need to embellish his greatness with imaginary feats of heavy-handed morality.
Ceci n'est pas un blogue.
I just found out Joe suspended a kid for a few prankcalls.
I know assumptions make an ass out of you and me, but how exactly do you think he would have reacted to a major violation?
If you're referring to the Enis case, one game is all that was remaining for Enis at PSU
Look a little further if you wish.
by Frank O'Brien on Sep 7, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, I take that back.
Let me play this Hypothetical JoePa Would’ve game.
JoePa would have driven to Reggie Bush’s house and pried the Heisman from Reggie’s hands!
In the ‘03 BCS title game, JoePa would have told the referees that the 4th down pass interference call was suspect, and Butch Davis would have been so taken with his honesty that he’d offer the crystal football to Penn State!
If he were Missouri’s head coach after the 5th Down game, JoePa would have forfeited the rest of the season!
JoePa would have invented a reason to bench Gino Torretta for the last 2 games of the regular season so Marshall Faulk wouldn’t get dicked over by the Heisman voters!
Actually the last one I can get behind. No wonder this game is so fun for you guys!
Ceci n'est pas un blogue.
err, Colorado's coach, not Mizzou's.
JoePa would have suspended me for 8 games for that mistake! If not more!
Ceci n'est pas un blogue.
Oooh, Surprisington with a sharp poking stick today!
Until our defense proves otherwise, it should be presumed they will be excellent.
You better respond, man.
Your honor as an internet user is on the line.
by ReadingRambler on Sep 7, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
The case is a loser
The Defense takes the serious angle like ‘look there’s no way some kid unknowingly stumbles into two expenses-paid trips to South Beach, gets a 2game NCAA suspension, Joe believes him and lets him play in week 3.’
And the Prosecution attacks with satirical characterizations of a fanbase over-deifying JoePa.
The Jury may get a kick of out of it, but in the court of public opinion…
Until our defense proves otherwise, it should be presumed they will be excellent.
Why the heck are you guys arguing over this?
I mean, what are the chances of Joe Paterno ever having a player being involved with the following: “acceptance of gifts of airfare, lodging and meals during two separate trips to Miami”? One in eight or nine hundred thousand?
Penn State players would melt in Miami anyway.
by ReadingRambler on Sep 7, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
It has happened on numerous occassions
When Curtis Enis took the suit from the agent, Joe didn’t wait for the NCAA to conduct an investigation and then file an appeal. Enis was kicked off the team. Period.
That same year Jureviceus skipped some classes his final semester. He was eligible by NCAA standards, but Joe kept him home for the Bowl game.
In 1992 Bobby Engram was with another player when the other player stole a stereo. The other player was kicked off the team. Engram sat for an entire year.
In 2005 Ed Johnson sat out an entire year for failing an internal drug test. He was kicked off the team later when he failed another one.
Abe Koroma, Chris Baker, and Chris Bell are all players that have been kicked off the team in recent years. Never once did Joe appeal a ruling or fight charges. I don’t know what else you want to hear.
by BSD on Sep 7, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Why bring up appeals?
Saban’s not appealing the Dareus decision—which is what this is all about, really: making Saban look worse than JoePa without Saban actually doing anything shady.
As for not waiting for the NCAA to make a ruling on Enis, well, duh. It’s pretty obvious Enis was on his way out and JoePa had no choice but to send him on his way early rather than risk
What I’m searching for—and which nobody has even approached providing—is any evidence that Paterno would see a punishment handed out by the NCAA (not a gentle institution, mind you) and then add 10 freaking games to it to prove a point.
As for the other suspensions and dismissals, congratulations. Every coach, short of maybe Barry Switzer or Jimmy Johnson, kicks guys off his team.
Again, JoePa is a fantastic coach. Seriously. I mean that. That’s why I find this JoePa Would’ve game so ridiculous. You don’t need to tell fish stories on his behalf.
Ceci n'est pas un blogue.
Every coach, short of maybe Barry Switzer or Jimmy Johnson, kicks guys off his team.
The difference is that Paterno kicks kids off the team for violating NCAA/school/team rules while Saban kicks kids off the team for not playing football as well as one of their recently committed high school recruits.
by VVeRPennState on Sep 7, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I don't believe so.
Here at Penn State we hold ourselves to a higher moral and ethical standard. Isn’t that what this whole conversation is about? Our goal is success with honor. Whether it is not accepting a student-athlete skipping classes, using a childish prank to teach maturity, or demonstrating loyalty by honoring the schools commitment to a 18 year old kid, it is all about morals and ethics.
by VVeRPennState on Sep 7, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
I can’t point to a case where the NCAA told Joe to sit a kid, because Penn State kids don’t get in trouble with the NCAA. I honestly can’t think of a time outside of Curtis Enis when that happened. But there are numerous cases where kids didn’t play because Joe wasn’t happy with them. There was nothing that came from the NCAA last year saying Brandon Ware was in any trouble academically, but Paterno sat him for the entire year. Not many other coaches would do that to a kid just to make a point.
by BSD on Sep 7, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Saban originally said that they were going to appeal the 2 game suspension.
That leaves it open to discuss the sleaziness of Saban.
For the glory
Initially they said they would, until they realized Dareus would have to sit out the length of the appeal which would be longer than the two game suspension. So they decided it was just best to take their medicine.
by BSD on Sep 7, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the point is, they didn't even sound like they were going to sit Dareus
The second the story comes out, Saban goes off on agents being the scum of the earth, completely ignoring (whether intentionally or not) the issue of whether or not Dareus went to Miami or not. They waited for the NCAA to make a move instead of taking action themselves and punishing him for what he did wrong.
In Saban’s world it seems: WINS >>> INTEGRITY
Take the Enis case
If the NCAA had been consistent with what we see with Dareus, they would have told Enis to pay back the money for the suit and probably sit two games. But Paterno kicked him off the team when he had a bowl game and a full year of eligibility left. But the NCAA didn’t conduct an investigation or make a ruling because Joe got out in front of it and acted. Unlike Saban who waits for the NCAA investigation, and then thinks about appealing it, and then gives no hint about sitting Dareus longer than the ruling.
by BSD on Sep 7, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
That's about what I was going to say.
Compared to Joe the NCAA is the fun loving wing of discipline. OK, maybe Saban didn’t do anything “wrong” but Joe’s got his own moral compass. I think that’s all that’s being pointed out here.
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And look at USC
How long did they deny it, and deny it, and deny it. And then they appealed it and appealed it.
I can’t see Joe ever doing something like that. If the NCAA came around asking about a player, Joe would talk to the player and get the truth. If the kid committed a sin, he’s out on the street. End of story. Joe tells them the rules when they get on campus. If they break them, they’re out. Joe isn’t going to stand up for them.
by BSD on Sep 7, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree to an extent
I don’t think that the kid would necessarily be out on the street for one or even a couple of incidents. Joe knows when a kid is fundamentally salvageable but still has made mistakes. Scirrotto worked his way back into the starting lineup in six months, largely because he was willing to admit that he was wrong and take his lumps. Of course I wasn’t a fly on the wall, but I’d have to guess that the difference between Koroma and Bowman in the whole Reefergate affair was that Bowman was repentant while Koroma copped an attitude.
"I’ll drink through the weirdness." - Illegal Formation
Yeah, but Scirrotto's case was an entirely different thing altogether
If someone spits on my girlfriend, that kid is getting decked. If I happen to have multiple 300+ pound friends, I’m going to make sure that kid knows he can NEVER do that to her, or any girl again.
Scirrotto’s case was a matter of principle. I would’ve wanted him kicked him off the team if he didn’t stand up for her.
John has a long moustache
I think the general feeling is that Joe would not wait to see a punishment,
or even care. He’s doing his own thing regardless of the NCAA or the university. He can do this because he is more strict than most other coaches or governing bodies.
That being said, yeah, this whole discussion is pretty much an unnecessary exercise.
"Until somebody knocks you on your rear end, and pardon me ladies, but unless somebody knocks you on your rear end, you're never going to learn." - Joe Paterno
by Illegal Formation on Sep 7, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
What I’m searching for—and which nobody has even approached providing—is any evidence that Paterno would see a punishment handed out by the NCAA (not a gentle institution, mind you) and then add 10 freaking games to it to prove a point.
Well, that’s not exactly what we’re saying. Two important reasons why you never see the NCAA investigating PSU are: 1) Penn State’s rules are a lot stricter than the NCAA’s rules (as are the corresponding punishments), and 2) Penn State’s coaching staff finds out about—and deals with—trouble long before the NCAA could. So, JoePa wouldn’t “add” to a punishment already “handed out” by the NCAA, because in any such situation, the coaching staff would usually have corrected the kid’s behavior before it reached the level of an NCAA violation; in rare cases where an NCAA violation has already taken place (like Enis), they deal with it swiftly, openly, and severely enough that NCAA involvement isn’t remotely necessary. These assertions are all supported by the evidence already provided.
So, you’re right, in a sense; I don’t think JoePa would ever add to an NCAA punishment to prove a point. But in every case I can think of where there has been any potential for NCAA involvement, the kid has been dismissed from the team immediately. Can anyone think of a counter-example?
by newenglandnittanylion on Sep 7, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Other people have covered it
but basically it is impossible to prove a negative. We can’t say for certain what Joe would do in the situation, because the situation never has really manifested at Penn State. The closest example: Enis, where he really only had the bowl game left anyway. But that’s not to say that we don’t have a pretty good idea how he would act based on the way he’s handled other (somewhat similar) situations. In nearly every case, JoePa hands down a punishment that is more strict than he’s required.
This is like questioning whether J Leman (or Stanzi) would fight for America against Brazillian Nazi Terrorists. Has he ever done it before? Not to my knowledge, but I just know they love America so much that they would do everything in their power to keep us safe.
by The JuggerNitt on Sep 7, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Note to self
Don’t mention Joe in Nitt Links unless it has to do with the runs, or his age.
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