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In Which PSUJunny Tries Social Experimentation: When Would You Root Against Penn State?

Let me preface this experiment by stating two things: 1) I am very much a family man - while I do not have progeny of my own, I cannot think of something I would not do for my parents/brothers/wife/etc. if asked; and 2) I am very much a Nittany Lion fan - I cannot imagine a scenario where I would root against my team, especially in one of their biggest games ever.

Then I saw this article by the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, and I got to thinking: what would happen if the two above-stated premises were suddenly at odds with each other? In the article, Robert Bolden's great-uncle, Don McNeal, explains how, while he will root for his grand-nephew individually, he will actually be rooting for Alabama. McNeal went to Alabama, played on the 1979 team, and bleeds Crimson (both literally and figuratively).

Thus, the experiment is stated as follows: at what point, if one exists, would you abandon a long established rooting tradition for blood, or visa versa? For Don McNeal, the grand-nephew relationship is not enough to overcome his love of Alabama (that's not to say he doesn't love Bolden, rather his rooting interest in Alabama remains stronger than his rooting interest in Penn State). Like Potter Stewart, I'm not sure if I could define that line - if my son goes to Michigan and ends up being the starting quarterback, and ends up playing PSU for a B16 title, who do I root for? When (not if, as this scenario is more likely, given my 6'5"-marked DNA) my daughter becomes an outside hitter for the UNebraska volleyball team, and they face Russ Rose in the finals of the 2035 NCAA Tournament, who do I root for?

I'm anxious to see how you feel - I know many on this blog are very much family oriented, and I also know you are all devout Nittany Lion fans (or for the other readers, you are devout fans of your team). So where is your line?

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Is it a team full of mini-JoePas?

And is Joe coaching PSU while he’s playing on the opposite side?

by skarocksoi on Sep 8, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

no, the real team

"Life is no way to treat an animal"

by Mr. Rosewater on Sep 8, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really, though?

Yea, I’d be disappointed for a minute or two. But if goes to Michigan (and is good enough to get to the starting QB spot), is that really a failure?

This experiment is definitely asking you to suspend some preconceived notions.

@EpicTripod
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by Jeff Junstrom on Sep 8, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

He (or she) is a success for getting accepted to a prestigious university like Michigan

but I could never look at my child the same if they were Wolverines. It upsets me just thinking about it.

In all seriousness though, if thats really what the kid wanted, then I’d be happy for him/her and support them, but I would have definitely failed as a Penn Stater. The day I have a child is the day I begin molding a future Penn State student. If I were in the same situation as Bolden’s uncle, I would probably do the same. There’s no way I could cheer for another team to beat PSU, blood or not.

by skarocksoi on Sep 8, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

"The day I have a child is the day I beegin molding a future Penn State student."

I’ve already informed my mother that her first child will be named Joseph Vincent. She laughed. I wasn’t kidding.

by dwf5095 on Sep 8, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You mother?

First child?

/head explodes

by PSUinBOSSton on Sep 8, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, literally littered with typos.

I always notice right after I post, too. Here’s to hoping I learn to reread!

by dwf5095 on Sep 8, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

My mother attended the University of Kentucky alum during the Rupp heydays

And she forbade me from even applying to Duke in when I was a senior in high school in 1996 because of what happened in the 1992 Elite Eight game. And she was dead serious about it. My best friend from high school ended up going to Duke, and my mom, while still friendly and genial about it, has not welcomed him into her house ever since. True story.

Junny, my mom’s fandom is stronger than yours. You’d better get with the program.

by SBlion on Sep 8, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

incidently

the third leading cause of death in both NC and KY

by The JuggerNitt on Sep 8, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha.

i grew up in the “No one lives here belt” and i can say it’s a true story

"They say in Happy Valley that if God wasn’t a Penn State fan, why is the sky blue and white?" Fortt said. "Who am I to argue with God?"

by amandakt on Sep 8, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hail from the Depressed Belt

at least it’s not the Really Depressed Belt

Joe Paterno - Not Unlike Hugh Hefner

by letsgopsu on Sep 8, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

717 Belt

Ain’t no map needed.

Until our defense proves otherwise, it should be presumed they will be excellent.

by jtothep on Sep 8, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

need a catchy name for the 717 belt..more cows than people belt?

by jman07 on Sep 9, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting. What about the other way around?

For example, this past Sunday, Maryland played against Navy. The daughter of the Navy coach goes to Maryland, and was at the game wearing a Navy jersey and rooting in favor of that team. I think that’s valid. Right?

"He's a beast. But so am I. So let the beasting begin."

by PSUtopia on Sep 8, 2010 1:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Invalid comparison.

When being a fan of your team may at times involve wearing a paper bag on your head, wearing your dad’s school’s jersey is no great shakes.

"I’ll drink through the weirdness." - Illegal Formation

by leeharvey418 on Sep 8, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Never...

I’m completely brainwashed

"That's why you don't play! 'Cuz you're no good!" -Joe Paterno

by pmm156 on Sep 8, 2010 1:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Does not compute

Sure on an individual basis you hope they would do well, but sorry hypothetical family, you’re going to lose to Penn State and you’re going to like it.

On the other hand:

If Nick Saban was our head coach? check
If Urban Meyer was our head coach? check
If Rich Rodriguez was our head coach? check
The list goes on

"I told him point blank, I wouldn’t trade January 2, 1987 straight up for Michigan’s entire football tradition." jesse.

"This was the greatest game in the history of college football." Rambler

I hold these truths to be self evident

by ChrisHarrell's_stache05 on Sep 8, 2010 1:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Tim Curley names GERG head coach at Penn State.

nightmares

Bloggin' at joepasdoghouse.com

by Cairo on Sep 8, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't think family situations are as big of an issue.

It sounds more like one of those situations where it’s a win-win (or a lose-lose, depending on how you look at it). Besides, if you’re related to me you should know who I’m rooting for.

If our football program’s standards start to fall, then I’ll be a bit conflicted.

by dwf5095 on Sep 8, 2010 1:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Win-win is the likeliest scenario, but you still have to make a decision.

Let’s say its the son-goes-to-Michigan scenario. You’re in the stands with your spouse and best friend with whom you went to Penn State. You have to wear a jersey to support whom you are rooting for…which jersey are you wearing?

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by Jeff Junstrom on Sep 8, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know.

That’s an good question. I couldn’t go against my son, but I wouldn’t want to go against my school. Every cell in my being is telling me to just wear the Penn State jersey, but if we’re debating this seriously, I don’t know if I could.

All the more reason to brainwash your offspring.

by dwf5095 on Sep 8, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Junny, you need to make some changes here.

Not everyone is crazy like you in your willingness to have anything to do with grads of that arrogant den of denial and desperation.

If my son goes to Michigan, then I have failed as a parent. While his academics are superb, his morality and – most probably – his understanding of what men are meant to be are both severely lacking.

A better question would be if your son goes to Temple or Maryland, do you root for him or against Penn State?

by ReadingRambler on Sep 8, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

here we go with the jersey discussion from a couple of weeks ago...J/K

I think what you would have to do is wear your son’s high school jersey or a sweatshirt from his high school.

Like I said, I don’t have any kids but from what I hear, parents would rather feel the pain than their kids. So you would have to root for your son’s team.

On a smaller scale this happened to me. Dad went to a rival high school and he always rooted for my team when we played.

I wouldn’t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed.

by psupride on Sep 8, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

The high school jersey is a good idea.

Oh hey, how about this: disown your school or Mommy will disown you. Michigan gave you a scholarship. I gave you life.

by dwf5095 on Sep 8, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

cool discussion/post

I’m like you Junny, no kids yet. But I know if my offspring played for another team against PSU, I would no question be rooting for the team my kid was on.

ps, Ohio State or Michigan would never come into play, because no scenario would ever come to existence where my kid played for either of them.

by hbeach08 on Sep 8, 2010 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Do like Brady Quinn's sister did

And create a hybrid jersey. That way you too can be on television for 70% of the game.

Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.

by 06Lion on Sep 8, 2010 1:35 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm not sure it was the jersey that got her on TV

but the fact that she wasn’t all that bad to look at.

by skarocksoi on Sep 8, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

you like men!

@collegiatestdms

by JGuiher on Sep 8, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe I'm not remembering very well

but I thought she was cute in the interview. Who knows, I was probably drunk at that point. And anyone looks good when you’re drunk enough. Except AJ Hawk.

by skarocksoi on Sep 8, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I could see a scenario

where we would be playing Nebraska in the final game of the regular season. A win for them would deny Michigan a chance to play in the CCG. Assuming we already had our spot locked up in the CCG, I guess I wouldn’t necessarily root against PSU, but I would be ok with them losing

by jrock4 on Sep 8, 2010 1:53 PM EDT reply actions  

We would need to have at least one loss and no chance at a national title if that was the case

and I still don’t think it would be rooting against PSU… I’d still want us to win

John has a long moustache

by AdamShell on Sep 8, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't have any kids

but I feel that if anybody says they wouldn’t root for their kids team, they are lying

I wouldn’t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed.

by psupride on Sep 8, 2010 1:53 PM EDT reply actions  

I disagree.

I despise Ohio State so much that the only way I can fathom a son of mine playing football for Ohio State is if he was raised by coyotes. Coyotes are severely lacking in morality and common sense.

And since he was raised by coyotes, I would feel no great emotional bond between he and I, and so I would be free to root against the little punk and his commie friends.

by ReadingRambler on Sep 8, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I have 3 kids

and if they were on a team playing against PSU I would be rooting for them and their team all the way. But otherwise I cannot imagine another scenario in which I don’t bleed blue and white. And my kids better not go anywhere but PSU!

Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils

by psu on Sep 8, 2010 1:56 PM EDT reply actions  

You people are all a bunch of sissies.

Oh, wahhhh I’d root for my kid.

Yeah, of course you’d root for him. If he’s playing football for someone else, then you’ve failed and you hope he can succeed so you can live vicariously through him. Hopefully he’ll still lose to Iowa.

by ReadingRambler on Sep 8, 2010 1:58 PM EDT reply actions  

My wife, lifelong Yankee fan with roots in The Bronx.

Her son’s first Little League team? The Red Sox. Haha. She admitted that in the unlikely scenario that he became a pro and played for The Sox, she would become a Sox fan. It killed her, but any parent is going to support their child. It’s nice to think your child would not go to college with the enemy, but, a D1 opportunity is a D1 opportunity.

by Pentimental on Sep 8, 2010 2:14 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't think I could be as generous on the Yanks/Sox rivalry.

If my kid told me he was playing for the Red Sox I would faint. Then use all of his money to buy Yankee gear.

by dwf5095 on Sep 8, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

here's the difference

the kid most likely wouldn’t have a choice on what pro team he played for (at least not for a long time), while they do have a choice in what college to go to.

by The JuggerNitt on Sep 8, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eli did

he and Daddy whined until he got to go where he wanted

Joe Paterno - Not Unlike Hugh Hefner

by letsgopsu on Sep 8, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, and if my kid did that

ESPECIALLY if he did that to get on a team I loathe…well I may just have to consider a 90th trimester abortion.

by The JuggerNitt on Sep 8, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had a lot of respect for that family

but that little stunt and the part Archie plauyed in it really irritated me

Joe Paterno - Not Unlike Hugh Hefner

by letsgopsu on Sep 8, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, here’s an admission. My daughter got accepted to Penn State. She has wanted to go there her whole life, thanks to me. She, however, also got accepted to some other schools with more stringent admissions and got scholarship offers. She chose Quinnipiac in CT. It was a much better fit for her major. Either one is a long way from our current home in TX.

by Pentimental on Sep 8, 2010 5:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

That's OK. Quinnipiac doesn't have sports.

She can still be a Penn State fan. Congrats to her!!

For the glory

by Paige2PSU on Sep 8, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

They have....

Hockey, baseball, and basketball. She just made the dance team. She would have been a Lionette.

by Pentimental on Sep 10, 2010 5:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I was being facetious.

Congrats to her! Smart and talented! She can cheer for Quinnipiac in those three sports as long as they are not playing Penn State! LOL! She can still be a Penn State football fan, at the very least!

For the glory

by Paige2PSU on Sep 13, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

really the only schools that I consider "better" than PSU

that I would dislike a child of mine going to due to sports reasons are Michigan and Duke. Outside of that, I can’t really think of a school that has some team I dislike that also has appreciably better academics.

by The JuggerNitt on Sep 8, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is she already there, or is she still in high school? (This isn't a creeper question, I promise)

If she’s already there, does she really like it? It’s odd, sometimes when you’re really in love with a school, but choose to go somewhere else, it keeps creeping up in your mind. I know a girl from my high school that went to Ursinus College, she loved Penn State and Ursinus, but I think her sister went to UC, or she was a legacy, something like that. Long story short, she found out she really didn’t like it there, and transferred to PSU.

Then there are other examples where people go to schools for the wrong reason (I’m not implying your daughter did). My best friend in HS went to Pitt (I know, I know, I’ve tried to jab with him, but it’s like he’s never been exposed to the old ways like I have from my parents). His girlfriend was a year younger and still a senior in HS when he was a freshman at Pitt. She (no surprise to myself) chose to go to Pitt. They broke up maybe a year later and she transferred to Temple I think, which is about 20 minutes from the Delco town outside of Philly we grew up in.

I hope your daughter loves wherever she goes and has no regrets. Maybe it’s just because I’m graduating in December as a 9th semester Senior, but I’m sort of in a regretful state at the moment when I’m thinking back over the past 4 years and feel like I haven’t made the best of my time.

by dawsonPSU10 on Sep 8, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

She is there...

She was accepted to Penn State, as well. I graduated in 1983 and she has always wanted to go there (raise them right).

Her major is Broadcast Journalism. We moved to the belly of the Big 12 beast, Texas, five years ago, so PSU would have been out of state tuition. Quinnipiac has an incredible school of broadcasting, with professors with ties to ESPN, MTV, CNN, and all the majors. Since moving to Texas, sports have been infused in her. She may be strolling the sideline with a microphone one day, and if I catch any of you clowns ogling her, I am going to Photoshop the Shiite out of you. Haha.

Last year we watched three football games in three different stadiums in two states in less than 24 hours. Her high school team played under the Friday night lights and she danced at halftime. They lost. I assistant coached my sons first grade team to a blowout, Texas style, Saturday morning. My daughter and I then jumped on a plane from DFW to ORD just in time to watch the Lions run out onto Ryan Field where they trumped Northwestern. A great weekend overall.

She was accepted to 11 out of 11 of the schools to which she applied, from Hawaii to QU. Quinnipiac is very difficult to get accepted to and had the best journalism program. With scholarships, it is still a butt kicker, but PSU would have been 26K a year.

She has found many PSU fans among her friends and we are going to Skype the game on Saturday. There will be ten of them assembled in the common area to watch. I actually work with two PSU fans here in TX.

She is now a big fish in a small pond and has numerous contacts in the industry. ESPN is right around the corner. It was a better fit after much consideration, but she will always be a Lionette!

by Pentimental on Sep 10, 2010 5:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Ive always wondered this cause I take a beating from friends

But I was born and bred a PSU football fan. My grandfather, father, brothers, friends, everyone was a penn state fan. One of my earliest memories is sitting in my parents living room during the 87 fiesta bowl with my dad and all his friends watching the national championship game. I even remember forcing my parents to allow my bday party a week early so it can coincide with the 95 Nebraska-Miami Orange Bowl. Ive never once faltered on my allegience to PSU football.

Then I turned 18 and went to Syracuse for undergrad.

Now, to my friends from college, I am a traitor to Syracuse. A few years back I went to the Dome to watch the game, and wore a PSU jersey (like 65% of the crowd). I do not apologize for being a PSU fan, but I wonder what the correct course of action is? Are you supposed to just do a 180 and start rooting for another team, even after 18 years of being a die hard, just because you pay (exorbitantly) to go there?

Also I am unfortunate enough to have a few friends that are Notre Dame fans that went to Syracuse and Penn State, and they seem to get a free pass on this.

by swiggy04 on Sep 8, 2010 2:46 PM EDT reply actions  

It's true because it's sad.

Can Abbrederis shoot the long three and effectively distribute the ball to his big men?
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 8, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thankfully...

I’ll likely never have to worry about this since I have two daughters, live in a house filled with estrogen, and won’t have to root for any football team other than PSU. However, if my daughters choose to attend a school other than PSU and decide to play women’s volleyball or other sport where they’d play PSU, then I would have to root for my daughter’s team. Remember when Brady Quinn’s sister was dating AJ Hawk and she wore that sewn together shirt to show she was rooting for ND and tOSU?

"Life's hard, but it's a lot harder if you're stupid." John Wayne

by RWReese on Sep 8, 2010 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Easy rec

http://unemployedsportsreporters.wordpress.com

by Kyle_Martin on Sep 8, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the Women's Volleyball scenario came up

I stop cheering for either team, and PRAY that my daughters don’t die

John has a long moustache

by AdamShell on Sep 8, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have two nieces playing college volleyball, I've made it clear to them if they ever play PSU they're going down.

Otherwise I cheer for them.

They haven’t had the opportunity yet, can’t seem to make it into the NCAA tournament.

by Frank O'Brien on Sep 9, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

If/when I have children

I will root for the schools they eventually go to in all instances except when they’re playing Penn State.

I can’t see myself putting my family’s schools before my own. I have pride in my school that I can never have for another school. Even while I’m attending Minnesota for grad school, I just can’t get into their sports or cheers the way I did at PSU. I’ll root for them in every other game, but come October 23rd, screw the Gophers. I assume that’s how I’ll feel when I have kids go off to their schools (though hopefully I’ll raise them as proper Penn State fans)

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by Kyle_Martin on Sep 8, 2010 3:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Its ok...

I too spent one awful fall as a gopher…(shudder). That was even back when they played in the metrodome. Still there’s no competition which team you will root for, the ground squirrels or the Lions.

"I have my Joe Paterno autograph already, but I don’t know that I’d begrudge anybody else from getting theirs no matter their age. That’s kind of like meeting Winston Churchill." jesse. @ BSD

by bconway6 on Sep 8, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

If my son was playing for another ("rival") team

(if they wind up going to somewhere like Temple or Minnesota, then I suppose I’d “root” for their team, but not really)

then one of a few things would have happened.

Either I would have failed as a Penn State parent, and my child and I are not on speaking terms anymore and to spite me they went to this rival team

or they only got an offer to one school (but if this was the case, I doubt they’d be going to any school good enough for me to actually care about if they went there. As I said, if it was Temple or something, I’d halfheartedly “root” for their team, but in reality would be pulling for PSU)

or they attended the school as a sort of sleeper agent, in order to throw the game against PSU

or similarly, I offered to buy them a nice new car if they threw the game against PSU (what are the rules for something like that, anyway?)

by The JuggerNitt on Sep 8, 2010 3:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Not sure if it is common knowledge, but

Kirk Ferentz’s daughter goes to (went to) PSU. I found out this weekend because my roomate’s girlfriend blurts out “Hey, Kirk Ferentz is my sorority sister’s dad!” while I was flipping through football.

by Hamulus on Sep 8, 2010 3:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Either his daughter or niece went to my High School.

Not me personally, but a guy I know my brother. Him and her got it on were friends.

@EpicTripod
SBN - Pittsburgh
Success With Honor

by Jeff Junstrom on Sep 8, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

So Junny

In this hypothetical 2035 Volleyball Championship, will PSU still be on their current win streak? We should be around a 1,000 wins in a row by then. I think you could concede one for your daughter

by jrock4 on Sep 8, 2010 4:36 PM EDT reply actions  

If my child chose to go to another school, I'd feel like I failed as a parent and Penn Stater

My parents didn’t coerce me into being a PSU fan. In fact when I was thinking about college, I was dead set on PSU, and they encouraged me to look around at other schools just in case I didn’t get into UPark like I wanted (I didn’t get into UPark, but my allegiances ran deeper than my own disappointment).

It may not have been intentional, but my parents did everything right to breed a Penn Stater (and now my sister and I both go here). They never forced PSU on us, but Arts Fest was one vacation destination every single year, and from a young age, I fell in love with this place (the campus, the town, and the college).

My parents’ college friend’s son (who is actually currently my roommate in West Halls, not by coincidence) lived in Texas his whole life. His Dad is from New York, but was in Texas for work. His dad really wanted one of his two kids to go to PSU. His daughter liked it, but got into and went to Wake Forest (apparently not an easy thing), and I’ve often seen his dad wearing a Wake hat (and actually they went to the Orange bowl AND the outback bowl in 2006 when Wake won the ACC). I believe I remember his son telling me his dad offered to pay for all of college if they went to PSU (now he may have paid either way, I don’t know, but that’s just what I remember). But I have a feeling my parents, despite their PSU allegiances and alumni status would never have given me the same offer if I wasn’t looking at PSU.

But seriously, look into brainwashing your children. If you have a baby that’s crying, play the tOSU fight song or Hail to the Victors, and when he/she is laughing, make sure you’re playing Fight On State. Kidding aside, if you want to breed a Penn Stater, do what my parents did: try to let them develop a love for Penn State (the school, the teams, State College, and the campus). Make them feel like it’s almost a second home to them, like I do, and it will be tough for them to deny their urge to bleed blue and white. Of course this gets tougher the farther you live from PA. If I ever have kids, it’s what I’ll try to do with them.

by dawsonPSU10 on Sep 8, 2010 4:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Or play rival songs during doctor visits

You’d be surprised what you can imprint on a young kid. I was a horrible sleeper as a little kid and wouldn’t take naps, so my mom used to drive me around in the car to try to get me to go nap (I think she was driving me around because we were “looking” for the street sweeper, I was in sort of a construction/service vehicle phase I think, but excavators are just so damn awesome looking). I eventually would fall asleep in the car. To this day, I will always get sleepy when I’m in the back seat of a car, and usually always fall asleep (when I’m not at the wheel that is, lol) I’m 6-1 230lbs, and I’ll curl across the backseat of our minivan on long trips (no I do not fit) and somehow fall asleep in the craziest positions, but am somehow comfortable enough to sleep for hours.

by dawsonPSU10 on Sep 8, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know, I can do the same thing,

though admittedly I’m much smaller, so it’s a bit more comfortable.

Alternatively, my grandparents used to make me drink a concoction that translates into “lemon water” in English whenever the Yankees lost to the Red Sox. Hilariously crude, but effective.

"We have the plainest uniforms you can make. We know who we are. We are Penn State, and that's something special."

by dwf5095 on Sep 9, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

If my kid was good enough to get a scholarship, but went somewhere other than PSU

I would probably kill myself. Therefore, your question would be moot, as I would be 6 ft under before his first snap.

"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."

-J.V.Pa.

by psume06 on Sep 8, 2010 7:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Only 1 reason

If they ever switch to those Nike Pro Combat uniforms — or any other god awful uniform experiment.

My 3 kids nursery rhymes were the Penn State fight songs. They’re either going to Penn State or I’m signing them up for the Marines.

by SarcasmJam on Sep 8, 2010 8:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Just as expected, there are two camps

1) Your child will go to Penn State or that child is dead to you (I’d be willing to bet the majority of people that fall in this camp DO NOT have children)
2) Your child means the world to you, and you will root for them no matter where they go (conversely, the people in this camp have children, for the most part)

Not having a child, I don’t have to make that decision. However, to address some comments above, here is full disclosure (for those that did not know):
- My wife went to Michigan; our children will go to one of our schools or an Ivy League school if they suck at sports (which they won’t cause I LETTERED IN VOLLEYBALL IN HIGH SCHOOL SO THAT MEANS SOMETHING)
- I will begin indoctrinating my child with Penn State from before birth. I will play the fight song to the child in the womb; I will routinely say “We Are…” to my wife’s stomach; etc.
- I will be very disappointed if they do not go to Penn State, but they could certainly do worse, academically, than some of the other Big Ten schools

@EpicTripod
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Success With Honor

by Jeff Junstrom on Sep 8, 2010 8:29 PM EDT reply actions  

How do you plan on playing the fight song in the womb?

You going to stick a speaker in there? You should also try singing fight songs to your sperm, then you can start your kids journey towards the light side of the force, and future PSU studentdom at fertilization, without your wife catching on to your devious plan.

I thought I remembered your wife was a Michigan grad, which further stresses the point that you must defeat her in this quest of child indoctrination! WIN AT ALL COSTS!!!

by dawsonPSU10 on Sep 8, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

It works...

My son knew the words to Hail to the Lion by the time he was two.

Junny, you will be a great Dad when the time comes. A little brainwashing goes a long way.

Proud member of the Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late Tailgate Crew since 1998!

by Row73Fan on Sep 9, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good luck Junny

I have a 6 year old and a 3 year old and when I yell “We Are” they don’t miss a beat. We’re 2600 miles wsw of Happy Valley but they no it’s home.

by Frank O'Brien on Sep 9, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Damn Junny

Being married to a Wolverine is really f-ing with your head isn’t it?

by speedomike on Sep 8, 2010 10:02 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Has she

…has she made threats?

by skarocksoi on Sep 8, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Child Please.

I’M A MAN! I’M 40 28!

But seriously. We all talk about hating Michigan, and Ohio State, and Pitt, etc. I get to listen to the Wolverine fans talk every time we go back to Detroit. I try to talk down to them civilly, but there’s not getting through to them.

@EpicTripod
SBN - Pittsburgh
Success With Honor

by Jeff Junstrom on Sep 8, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dead serious

my fiancée broke up with me 2 months ago, and one of the things I’m really upset about is how am I going to find a Penn State fan to marry now that I’m graduated?

John has a long moustache

by AdamShell on Sep 8, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

there is a nice new student Diva on here now

dwf5095, meet AdamShell

I’ve been through the broken engagement thing, It gets easier, trust me. It may take a while, but it will.

Joe Paterno - Not Unlike Hugh Hefner

by letsgopsu on Sep 8, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

Yeah, I’ve heard that… a lot… doesn’t make things much easier at the moment but I’m just going to wait and see how things go.

I don’t want to make this about me though, my comment was flippant for a reason :-P I do thank you for your encouragement though!

And trust me, I’ve had no shortage of people trying to set me up with other girls… I’ll let you all know when I’m ready for that

John has a long moustache

by AdamShell on Sep 9, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I married a girl who went to a small school in PHX with no football. I converted her.

You will look back and say “thank GOD I didn’t get married in college/right after college”

by hbeach08 on Sep 9, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry dude

But you should know that, like Michael Jackson once famously said, you are not alone. I think about this all the time as well.

"He's a beast. But so am I. So let the beasting begin."

by PSUtopia on Sep 9, 2010 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry to hear that

I know what you mean about finding a PSU girl though. I moved from PA so its going to be even harder now. Hell, I was talking to my Grandma the other day and she told me she was worried I wouldn’t find one now that I’m gone. I told her that if she isn’t a PSU girl she either has to become one, or be very understanding, as PSU is always #1.

by skarocksoi on Sep 9, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm glad I'm not alone. I live in Virginia now so there aren't any real threatening teams

so I guess I don’t need to have a PSU girl, just a college football fan… because if she’s going to cheer for VT or Virginia, sooner or later, she’s going to want a team that plays up to its potential every once in a while

John has a long moustache

by AdamShell on Sep 9, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're worried about finding a PSU girl, I'm worried about finding a PSU man.

ESPECIALLY in Alabama. I don’t think any single ones exist. I once saw my soul mate on the interstate. As he passed me, he blew his horn. I noticed that his license plate said, “WE ARE.” My license plate says “PENST8R,” I thought it was love, but he disappeared, sigh.

When you’re ready, Adam, find yourself a girl who likes football, but not a team that plays Penn State regularly. Then you can introduce her to the wonders of being a Penn State fan.

For the glory

by Paige2PSU on Sep 9, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

See I have it the opposite.

My GF goes to PSU but doesn’t care about football..

Trust in Robo

by tlrpsu on Sep 10, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Blasphemy.

"We have the plainest uniforms you can make. We know who we are. We are Penn State, and that's something special."

by dwf5095 on Sep 10, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

find a new one

Joe Paterno - Not Unlike Hugh Hefner

by letsgopsu on Sep 10, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm in VA too

Norfolk to be exact. Being a football fan is definitely important, or at least have her understand that Saturdays in the fall are holy days that cannot be disturbed. And the occational Thursday evening. And that I’m always going to stare and drool at the women’s volleyball team.

by skarocksoi on Sep 9, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Paige needs to come up to Virginia

plant herself directly between Norfolk and Culpeper, and have us fight for her love.

John has a long moustache

by AdamShell on Sep 9, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know what?

The very title of this post is hateful and indicates to me that Junny needs to go to his room and think for a while. You can leave your room at suppertime and for potty breaks.

by ReadingRambler on Sep 9, 2010 11:08 AM EDT reply actions  

I have a dream

to be in a position to give my kids the money for a college education. They can go to an expensive private school and fund the difference themselves, or get a scholarship and keep the money they don’t use.

That contract will have an Ohio State and Michigan exclusion. They could go to any other Big Ten school and I would not have a problem rooting for Penn State generally, and my son specifically. But there is no way I am funding the advancement of either of those schools.

Now, if my son wants to pay his own way to one of these schools, I guess he’d want it badly enough that I’d have to admire him for it.

by golfinn3 on Sep 10, 2010 10:42 AM EDT reply actions  

My exact words in that situation would be

You can go anywhere you want. My money is going to Penn State.

Either I get a great tailgating spot or you get a Penn State degree, either way its a win-win.

by psuphysicist on Sep 10, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have long maintained

That if my son goes to Ohio State on a football scholarship (or simply attends the institution) he will not be allowed home for the holidays. If he chooses Michigan than he will not be allowed home, ever.

Also, the only games I will be attending of his are those against Penn State. And I will find a way to sneek embarrassing, awkward pre-teen pictures onto the scoreboard during the game.

by psuphysicist on Sep 10, 2010 2:16 PM EDT reply actions  

If my kid were quarterbacking Michigan

I would root for him to throw for 400 yards and a bunch of touchdowns. Then I would root for Michigan to be up 4-5 points in the final minute. Penn State would call timeout with approximately 30 seconds remaining. Ref adds 2 seconds to the clock for reasons unknown to man. Penn State throws for winning touchdown as time expires, leaving me with pure jubilation at the success of both my son and favorite team, sending me into a perpetual state of zen-like nirvana.

by jimbo2psu on Sep 10, 2010 2:16 PM EDT reply actions  

There is only one way I will root against Penn State.

I don’t care if my kids are heisman winners on any other team out there. I will still root for them to get their butts kicked by my treasured Blue and White. The only way I will root against Penn State is if they ever hire Steve Spurrier as the head coach after JoePa retires. He goes on to alter the uniforms to include players’ names as well as pictures of Lions on the sleeves. Then, he decides to focus only on Offense and never hires a defensive coordinator to replace the ones that refused to play for him. He recruits LBs and turns them into QBs, and the only way he can be fired is if they lose every game in a season. It would hurt me, but the outcome would be so worth it.

by usn_kologi on Sep 11, 2010 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

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