Is Sanchez greatest PSU Opponent QB?
by joefromboalsburg on Jan 17, 2011 8:17 PM EST
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PrintPenn State has played against many talented Quarterbacks. From memory, the cream of the crop reads as follows, in no particular order, with W/L record vs. PSU and my brief recollection of highlights.
Dan Marino (1-2), lots of INTs. One lucky win. Most over-rated QB until Brett Favre.
Major Harris(1-3) Outstanding talent. West Va actually beat PSU one ear when he was qb.
Doug Flutie (1-3) Got a win as a Senior.
Vinny Testaverde (0-1) Lots of INTs
Tom Brady (1-0) Beat PSU at Beaver Stadium after trailing by 14 in 4th Quarter.
Kyle Orton (0-2)- No real recollection of anything he did.
Drew Brees(0-3) See Kyle Orton.
Mark Sanchez (1-0) Single-handedly beat PSU in Rose Bowl.
There are probably errors in the records I am showing, from memory, and there are probably a couple of good ones that I have left off this list.
Of all of the above, Mark Sanchez laid the biggest beating on PSU . In my opinion, that game was won because Sanchez totally put a superior PSU D-Line out of the picture by getting rid of the ball in 2 seconds or less, each time picking the best receiver to throw to in PSU's soft coverage scheme. An absolutely flawless performance.
I am asking if he is not the best college quarterback that PSU has faced.
What do you think.
If not Sanchez, then what impressed you about the performance against PSU for your choice?
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I think Kyle Orton actually beat PSU in 2004...
and he was in the Heisman race at that point in the season. If I recall, PSU may have had a couple picks off him that day.
That’s a game we should have had.
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That happened, but he was out of the Heisman race after that.
That was the weekend after Sesquicentennial (which my team won). Actually got to speak with Jerry Sandusky that weekend and asked what he thought of Orton. He said the kid was “amazing,” but thought our defense would come well prepared and we’d be very surprised. He made a believer out of me.
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by Adam Collyer on Jan 17, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
Anwar Phillips picked him off
And then someone else did. Anwars pick was the first pick that Orton threw all season. Actually, even though we lost that game, it still stands as one of my all time favorites.
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by psuphysicist on Jan 23, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
I'm guessing
you’re a Jets fan?
Seriously, it’s a good question, but it felt like he beat us in 1 quarter of the game vs the whole time. Not sure if he’s the best, but the sting of that beatdown is still very fresh in my mind, so I will subscribe to your newsletter.
Sarcastradamus!
Snide predictions since 2010!
Absolutely not.
You mentioned those receivers he was throwing to but you didn’t mention how good they were and how easily they got open.
Secondly, I think you’re underestimating just how little pressure we got. Maybin was a total non-factor.
"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer
Turner Gill was quite a bit better than Sanchez and he trucked us in ’83.
Kyle Orton was not 0-2, he was 2-0.
Brady was 2-0.
Flutie lost to a mediocre PSU team during his ’84 senior season.
Stanzi was 3-0.
I’m going with Major Harris, since he kept WVU in two of his losses.
"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer
by ReadingRambler on Jan 17, 2011 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
But Brady didn't win that '99 game.
The defense gave it away because they were a bunch of traitors.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 17, 2011 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
Re: I think you’re underestimating just how little pressure we got. Maybin was a total non-factor.
Did you miss this:
In my opinion, that game was won because Sanchez totally put a superior PSU D-Line out of the picture by getting rid of the ball in 2 seconds or less, each time picking the best receiver to throw to in PSU’s soft coverage scheme.
Maybin got there once early in the first half, but was called for offsides, extending a drive that ended in a touchdown. I’m with JFB: Sanchez and Sarkisian put on a clinic for how to pick apart the Cover 3.
My second place vote goes to cringe Jamelle Hollieway, the phuquer.
Cats been getting hookups on tatts since back in 01. - former buckeye Antonio Pittman
Yes, they did.
But it’s like he didn’t have tons of time to throw all day. He did.
As for Holieway, gimme a break, dude. Conlan hurt Holieway so bad OU ran away from him the rest of the game. Holieway’s most notable moment was just chucking it deep to Keith Jackson. And they only scored on that play because OU clipped one of our guys and got away with it.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 18, 2011 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
And by "hurt", I don't mean injure.
I mean, Conlan basically stole the little punk’s lunch money.
"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer
by ReadingRambler on Jan 18, 2011 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
/chuckles
tee hee hee. Figured you’d like that one. It was from this chapter in the blogistani cookbook: How to Disagree/Call Out Reading Rambler, in the notes section:
After organizing your disagreement language, give The Rambler something equally easy to pick apart and frame it with a weak or no assertion at all. Think SMA and carp fishing.
Cats been getting hookups on tatts since back in 01. - former buckeye Antonio Pittman
nah just 2-0
scUM didn’t play PSU in 2004 and he sat out hurt in 2007.
Selling my Big Ten Championship rings since 2005....
@ArtieFufkin10
by Artiefufkin10 on Jan 17, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
ughhhh........yes
Selling my Big Ten Championship rings since 2005....
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by Artiefufkin10 on Jan 18, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
He might have had the best game (Is this what you're asking)
Talent wise at the college level, definitely no. Vinny scoffs at that notion, as does Troy Smith. Same with, well, a fair amount of those guys you listed
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Jan 17, 2011 9:54 PM EST reply actions
Sanchez is playing the Steelers tomorrow. The 2nd year QB is in the championship game, similar to the serial rapist.
Elizabeth, with Vin Scully, only folks working longer than JoePA at same place!
by joefromboalsburg on Jan 22, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
I answer this question on two demensions...
Best quarterback at the college level was Ty Detmer, who nearly threw his arm out in the 1989 Holiday Bowl (I think the exact total was 576 yards). We somehow won that game.
Best quarterback at the pro level to play Penn State was Brady. Indeed, if one were to trace his career to the beginning, you could say that he started to really put it all together in the fourth quarter of the Penn State game. He lead another 4th quarter comeback in the Orange Bowl against Alabama. You know the rest.
by happyvalleytom on Jan 17, 2011 10:02 PM EST reply actions
Missing two things about Ty
One, we won the Holiday Bowl. Two, we played them the next season in State College and handled them easily. Detmer was on that team too.
Racism, cannibalism, I leave those things to the suits in Washington. I’m just here to eat a dude.
Good Point. Another Flutie/Harris type.
Elizabeth, with Vin Scully, only folks working longer than JoePA at same place!
by joefromboalsburg on Jan 18, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
It's a difficult question to answer.
We did make Sanchez a lot of money during that Rose Bowl. He throws a picture perfect deep ball that was on display during the entire second quarter. He had a great game after we virtually shut down their rushing attack.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
Sanchez had a great day no doubt.
Our secondary was unprepared and out-classed by that attack. Sometimes the other guy is just better.
Selling my Big Ten Championship rings since 2005....
@ArtieFufkin10
Definitely out classed but PSU was playing the scheme exactly like they were suppose to and exactly how they had all season. The difference is that we got less pressure in that game than any previous and Sanchez really was playing at the absolute highest level (aka your last point). I really don’t think Joe makes a bad assertion but there’s not way I can really pick a guy out of the long list, especially since it was one game and they were up so much late that the USC game plan was able to move into game management mode.
Oh, Yeah. I forgot about him. But, he lost four Superbowls!
Elizabeth, with Vin Scully, only folks working longer than JoePA at same place!
by joefromboalsburg on Jan 21, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
Sanchez
is the only QB I can think of where one game against PSU took him from 3rdish round pick to top 10 pick
I've got the brains. You've got the looks. Let's make lots of money.
Seems like a good decision at this point.
His playoff stats are exceptional, especially for a 2nd year QB. He plays pretty well under pressure.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Jan 18, 2011 11:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
It was a good decision
It’s just that before the PSU game, most of the draftniks had Sanchez pegged as a mid-round guy who should probably come back to school for another year to up his stock. After that game, the same people had him pegged as a sure fire first rounder.
I've got the brains. You've got the looks. Let's make lots of money.
He's hard to tackle too...
Very underrated in that regard. He keeps four or five plays alive with his feet.
Racism, cannibalism, I leave those things to the suits in Washington. I’m just here to eat a dude.
He's very mobile in the traditional sense.
Manages to duck and move in the pocket very well. I’ve consistently listened to pundits just hammer this kid constantly about how much he sucks, but he is the textbook definition of having “it.” If you could’ve plugged Sanchez’s attitude into Anthony Morelli’s textbook mechanics, you’d have an unbelieveable QB.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Jan 18, 2011 12:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
My impression of that game...
Was that the Patriots plan was “We’re the Patriots, and we’re going to win by 30 points”. The Jets philosphy was to punch the Patroits as hard as they could and let them try. The Jets have better corners than the Steelers, so that worked better for them. Trying to play zone and trick Tom Brady with blitzes is a waste of time, to beat the Patriots you have to sack up and beat them. The Jets did that, good for them.
Much different game this week I think. Last time the Steelers were without Polamalu and Miller. The Jets made a special teams play and got a safety (Tomlin should have reviewed that, but I digress). So I think it’s at least a pick ’em (Steelers are favored on the basis of being at home).
What scares me the most about this game is Steelers are at best adequately coached. Penalties, sloppy game management and even poor tackling at times have been endemic all season. That kind of stuff is why you lose a playoff game.
The other wild card though, is Sanchez has never played against Polamalu. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Troy was quiet in Flacco’s what eight, tenth, start against Troy. He’s a lot tougher against guys that have never seem him before, it only makes sense. Of course, if he owns Sanchez 1/10th as much as Carson Palmer (the other USC quarterback) the Jets have no chance.
Should be a fun game.
Racism, cannibalism, I leave those things to the suits in Washington. I’m just here to eat a dude.
I'm rooting for the Jets.
Why? Well, since the NFL disgusted me with constant off-the-field crap and arrogant public dismissal of head injuries, I’m down to cheering for teams with players I like and coaches who stand a good chance of using the f-bomb on live tv. I like Shonn Greene and Rex Ryan is, probably without question, your best bet for dropping the f-bomb on live tv.
"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer
by ReadingRambler on Jan 18, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
But I still utterly despise Fireman Ed.
"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer
by ReadingRambler on Jan 18, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
Even I don't like Fireman Ed, and I'm a fan.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Jan 18, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, crap.
I just remembered that Devon is a Jets fan.
Uh…go Steelers.
"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer
by ReadingRambler on Jan 18, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
I'm still trying to clean up after Saturday.
It just got a little out of hand.
Racism, cannibalism, I leave those things to the suits in Washington. I’m just here to eat a dude.
I think this game is probably a pick 'em.
I mentioned this either here or on Twitter, not sure, but Ryan essentially ran the Paterno/Sandusky ‘87 Fiesta Bowl defense against the Pats. He had 11 defensive backs on the roster and dropped guys back and forth all over the field while showing pressure in unlikely spots every time. Shaun Ellis played like a monster to bring some pressure and Brady looked totally confused the entire game. I’ve never seen him look like that before. Ryan had a great game plan and the players execute well.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Jets blitz more this weekend, but I think that’s a bad move. Ben is much better at escaping pressure and getting outside the pocket. I think some well-timed blitzes would be helpful. I don’t like this match-up at all for us. I’d vastly prefer to play the Ravens, mostly because I don’t think they could do what they did to us again and I have no doubt that Flacco would throw an ill-advised pass directly into the hands of either Cromartie or Revis.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Jan 18, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Vernon Ghoulston was bringing a lot of pressure
he had to bring the starters their coats and water when they were coming off the field
One big difference, that Jets have basicly stated...
Hitting Brady matters, hitting the Implication is essentially a non-factor.
Racism, cannibalism, I leave those things to the suits in Washington. I’m just here to eat a dude.
Yeah, Brady was going down faster than an underaged chick in a Georgia bar
I believe Wallace and the other young receivers will stretch the Jets out a bit. The Bart Scott meltdown also makes me think the Jets may have an emotional let down this week.
by Frank O'Brien on Jan 18, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
Brady getting sacked five times prompts a weeks worth of hand-wringing from Peter King.
I’ve seen Roethisberger sacked five times in a game the Steelers won by 28 points.
Racism, cannibalism, I leave those things to the suits in Washington. I’m just here to eat a dude.
My memory of 2008 is...
Roethlisberger sack….
Roethlisberger sack….
Roethlisberger sack….
Roethlisberger game winning touchdown pass….
Roethlisberger sack….
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 18, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
You'd like to put that ball gag in his mouf?
Cats been getting hookups on tatts since back in 01. - former buckeye Antonio Pittman
Not quite...
The Jets were running tons of press coverage, whereas PSU ran softer coverage and relied on the ability of Johnson and Cobbs to get a good headstart and rock the receiver.
"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer
by ReadingRambler on Jan 18, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
It was more aggressive, certainly, but the templete was similar. In fact, there were several times
when Revis dropped back into Cover 3. It was a very different gameplan than normal.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Jan 18, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
And don't forget Ray Isom. That little dude could hit.
Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed.
Oh yes, Ray Isom
Here’s my favorite Ray Isom memoryfrom a 2008 thread
That kid was the definition of stud. Absolutely loved him! I still remember him taking on Ironhead Heyward in the flat—a play that should be required viewing for any tackling instruction: Ironhead caught a great, sealing block from his right tackle, and found himself open in the flat with this little db staring him down. He looked like he figured he couldn’t get his shoulder lower than the 5’9" dude’s frame, so figured he’d just bowl him over with his 36" thighs. He quickly discovered how unsuccessful that approach would be, as Isom, who had just shed the receiver block and was waiting for him, got up under his ‘Iron’ head and unloaded right into his chest. Boom! And of course followed through to drop the evil beast flat on his back. That play is still part of the lore in our family.
Cats been getting hookups on tatts since back in 01. - former buckeye Antonio Pittman
What if it ruined the image you now have?
Cats been getting hookups on tatts since back in 01. - former buckeye Antonio Pittman
It sounds like one of those plays that only real football enthusiasts would understand and cherish.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 20, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
The Jets got picked apart in the Monday night meeting
by letting WRs and TEs catch slant routes and missing tackles (safeties) over the middle. To their credit, they came in with a new game plan and caught the Pats unprepared to adjust. The WRs played single coverage (which you can do with Cromartie and Revis . . . especially with no deep threat) and CLOGGED the middle with zone defenders. Seriously, every LB, Safety and even the DEs just sat in moderate coverage across the middle. They didn’t even respect the run. With no deep threat any more the only move was to force the zone defenders up to the line by pounding them away with the run game. They just can’t resist throwing the football though. Plus, slowing the game down and making them run plays to the Jets strength.
I guess I am saying I disagree with you. The Jets did play zone, and they did have Brady confused as they only rushed 3-4 but it came from somewhere different every down. Often times he will slide and make a throw.
I told myself I was going to stop discussing this.
'We've got too many people analyzing everything and sometimes they don't know what they're talking about.' -Joseph Vincent Paterno
by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 18, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
I would vote for Flutie and Harris even though each only beat us once.
Remember in the 80’s we were “elite”.
Since 1960, Penn State holds a 31-2 winning margin against WVU. Harris led one of those victories for WVU in 1988. In fact, the score was 51-30. I think that’s the only time anybody put 50 up on a JoePa team.
Flutie only beat us once, in 1983. However, when we beat them in ’84 he was 29-53 for 447 passing yards. I am sure he was over 500 total yards in that game. With Flutie you never felt comfortable with any lead.
People will always forget what you do, and they will always forget what you say, but they will never, ever forget the way you make them feel.
Stanzi finishes with a better winning percentage against us.
So much for offer sheets…
"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer
by ReadingRambler on Jan 18, 2011 9:19 AM EST up reply actions
We've all forgotten someone: Scott McMullen.
An immobile white quarterback, McMullen found himself backing up relatively immobile white QB Craig Krenzel for brutus in 2003. Krenzel – who had thrown a pick six in the first half, thanks, old pal – was injured in the chest in the second half and in stepped McMullen. With his deft leadership, excellent athletic ability, and dedication to wooing the officials on key 3rd downs, McMullen reflects the highest credit upon himself and The Ohio State University.
Moving on, I go to my top 4 PSU opponent QBs:
1) Major Harris, West Virginia – 1-2 record, 1987-1989. He loses a lot of points for only beating us once out of three tries, but he singlehandedly kept WVU in his two losses. He was slower than Vick, but more powerful. Just as shifty as Denard. And he was a better thrower than both. How Andre Ware won the Heisman over the Major is beyond me.
2) Ricky Stanzi, Iowa – 3-0 record, 2008-2010. Although I’m sure I give the impression, I don’t really believe Stanzi was the second best QB we’ve ever played. But how many guys have 3-0 records against us? Henne would have if he had played in 2007, but other than that, there isn’t anyone. Brees lost all three, Flutie was 1-3, Brady was only 2-0, Marino was 1-2 or 2-2. I don’t think there is anyone else.
3) Derek Fox, Penn State – 1-0 record, 1999. I take my motto from the British Army’s late, great Middlesex Regiment and Colonel William Inglis. “Die hard, Rambler! Die hard!”
4) Scott McMullen.
"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer
There was also Brad Banks.
On Iowa’s first series of the 2002 game, he converted an early 3rd and 15+ on a simple quarterback draw. It wasn’t like in 1987 when the Major made a big play and people were yelling “Oh, [censored]!” No, the crowd went horribly quiet in one big sigh. “It’s going to be like this for the whole first half, isn’t it?”
Worst first half ever.
"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer
by ReadingRambler on Jan 18, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
That OSU play was a freakin' farce...
For all the youngsters on this site, if you think Big10 officiating is bad now, it was horrible before instant replay.
/Thanks Joe
Selling my Big Ten Championship rings since 2005....
@ArtieFufkin10
by Artiefufkin10 on Jan 18, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Infuriating.
If only David Kimball had buried that 60-yarder
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Jan 18, 2011 11:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
should of never came to that...
but whatever, its over.
Selling my Big Ten Championship rings since 2005....
@ArtieFufkin10
by Artiefufkin10 on Jan 18, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
There are two officals clearly looking at that play.
Racism, cannibalism, I leave those things to the suits in Washington. I’m just here to eat a dude.
I know. So did they.
But they were tools.
"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer
by ReadingRambler on Jan 18, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
He was downright dirty against us
But not the best.
If you're gonna go there, nothing tops McGloin's Outback Bowl performance
by Frank O'Brien on Jan 18, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
McGloin is no longer an Irish coalcracker.
Until I see otherwise, he is an Italian from Brooklyn. And not the good kind.
"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer
by ReadingRambler on Jan 18, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
That's what they call people who ineffectually quarterback in the regular season
and get shut out at home by Green Bay, I see…
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 20, 2011 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
Well
At least in recent memory. He coudn’t have played any better. Every pass seemed to perfect.
Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.
Miami QBs
The 2 best college QBs we’ve played that come to mind to me are Miami guys, though Sanchez was deadly.
1. Ken Dorsey 38-2 as a starter
2. Vinny Testaverde
Kind of difficult not to mention Brees & Brady, Griese, Henne, Randle El. Many many great QBs.
In today’s Big Ten, we may be talking about Dan Persa & Tyrelle Pryor. THOUGH I don’t believe that Pryor will make it in the NFL, the guy is pretty nasty in college.
Pryor benefits by having a great supporting cast.
As a quarterback, he doesn’t even belong in the same discussion. He’s a good athlete in the QB position, not a QB.
Fire Dan Snyder
by Cari Greene on Jan 23, 2011 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
Jamelle Holloway
was pretty good. Conlan kept him in check, but then again…Conlan kept everyone he ever played against in check, including guys like Tim Brown.
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