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So you're telling me there's a chance?

Penn State Basketball has a chance to get an at-large berth in the NCAA Tournament.  A probable chance? A realistic chance?  That's what I'm trying to find out.

Assumptions:

--16 or less wins gives PSU a 0% chance to make the tournament
--17 wins gives PSU a 10% chance to make the tournament
--18 wins gives PSU a 50% chance to make the tournament
--19 wins gives PSU a 90% chance to make the tournament
--20 or more wins gives PSU a 100% chance to make the tournament
--PSU's chances to win any given game on a neutral court are proportional to the team's Colley Matrix rating and are calculated as (PSU's rating) / ((PSU's rating) + (opponent's rating))
--Home court advantage is worth a 5% boost in a team's chances to win
--The Big Ten standings will remain the same for the sake of seeding in the Big Ten Tournament.  This means Penn State will be the 7 seed and play Indiana followed by Purdue.
--If Penn State goes into the Big Ten Tournament needing more than 2 wins to get to 17 wins, PSU isn't getting in.  This means at a bare minimum, PSU must finish 5-6 down the stretch.

What follows is a spreadsheet calculating the odds of winning any individual game and the likelihood of any given record in the last 11 regular season games:

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So what are the odds that PSU gets to exactly 17 wins, where PSU has a 10% chance of getting in?  This amounts to the odds that PSU will either win exactly 7 games down the stretch and none in the BTT OR win 6 games down the stretch and exactly none in the BTT OR win exactly 5 down the stretch and two in the BTT.

Exactly 5 down the stretch AND Indiana AND Purdue: 5.5%
Exactly 6 down the stretch AND Indiana AND NOT Purdue: 6.5%
Exactly 7 down the stretch AND NOT Indiana: 6.4%
Total Chance: (5.5%+6.5+6.4) * 10% = 1.84% chance that PSU will make the tournament and that they will do it with exactly 17 wins

18 wins, 50% Chance
Exactly 6 down the stretch AND Indiana AND Purdue: 5.0%
Exactly 7 down the stretch AND Indiana AND NOT Purdue: 4.3%
Exactly 8 down the stretch AND NOT Indiana: 2.9%
Total Chance: (5 + 4.3 + 2.9) * 50% = 6.1% chance that PSU will make the tournament and that they will do it with exactly 18 wins

19 wins, 90% Chance
Exactly 7 down the stretch AND Indiana AND Purdue: 3.2%
Exactly 8 down the stretch AND Indiana AND NOT Purdue: 1.9%
Exactly 9 down the stretch AND NOT Indiana: .9%
Total Chance: (3.2 + 1.9 + .9) * 90% = 5.4% chance that PSU will make the tournament and that they will do it with exactly 19 wins

20 or more wins, 100% Chance
Exactly 8 down the stretch AND Indiana AND Purdue: 1.5%
Exactly 9 down the stretch AND Indiana: 1.1%
10 or more down the stretch: .4%
Total Chance: 1.5 + 1.1 + .4 = 3% chance

The total chance that PSU gets an at-large berth: 16.34% chance.  About exactly 1 in 6. 

Don't give up hope: the most likely thing to happen (wins over Iowa, Wisconsin (1), Michigan, Northwestern (1), Minnesota (1), and Indiana in the BTT, losses everywhere else) only has a .023% chance of actually happening.  Making the tournament is approximately 720 times more likely than the most likely individual scenario.

Don't bet the farm either.

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Yay!

I love statistical analysis. Who needs the game when this is so fun and doesn’t take as long?
Nice work, analysis like this is always fun to read.

by emccomb1 on Jan 21, 2011 12:19 PM EST reply actions  

Looks like a coin toss to me!

Elizabeth, with Vin Scully, only folks working longer than JoePA at same place!

by joefromboalsburg on Jan 21, 2011 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice work

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by jtothep on Jan 21, 2011 12:22 PM EST reply actions  

Dude......

"If you ever drop your keys in a pool of lava, forget about them, cuz man, they're gone." Jack Handy

by RWReese on Jan 21, 2011 12:36 PM EST reply actions  

Sweet.....

I wouldn’t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed.

by psupride on Jan 21, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

What's yours say?

Cats been getting hookups on tatts since back in 01. - former buckeye Antonio Pittman

by jtothep on Jan 21, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

If you're looking to break an assumption

to make the model a bit more detailed, break the one that says standings remain constant to seed the BTT. Extending this simulation to include the entire B1G season (not just ours) wouldn’t take too long, since every time you simulate a game you’re determining a result for two teams.

Obviously, I can’t predict whether this would change our seeding (or anyone else’s), but if it does, it could push that final percentage up or down significantly. Right now, beating a team in the BTT takes up 13.04 of your 16.34% figure. That tells me who we play in the first two rounds of the tourney will ultimately decide if we make the big dance or not.

I love the very smart and thorough statistical analysis, and wish this weekend wasn’t a canning weekend so I could attempt to do this myself. This is just some food for thought from a fellow stats guy.

by dbl5030 on Jan 21, 2011 1:00 PM EST reply actions  

That's definitely the shakiest assumption

but even if the individual opponent(s) did change, it’s not like their overall quality would likely change that much. Being a 6-8 seed in the BTT means playing one meh team followed by one good team regardless. Would it change? Certainly. Would it change all that much? I doubt it.

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by ckmneon on Jan 21, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Those losses to Maine, Maryland, Purdue are just going to make me so utterly livid come March.

"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer

by ReadingRambler on Jan 21, 2011 1:30 PM EST reply actions  

Change the Maine game alone

and PSU’s chances of finishing the regular season with at least 17 wins goes from 22.6% to 48.6%

I've got the brains. You've got the looks. Let's make lots of money.

by ckmneon on Jan 21, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

You're going to make my head explode.

"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."

by Adam Collyer on Jan 21, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

aaaagh

"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer

by ReadingRambler on Jan 21, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I must ask

are you ready to hate Purdue?

"Are you joking? Star Trek V is the standard against which all badness is measured!" Raj Koothrappali from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 21, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

It's so hard, I tell you.

Matt Painter – like Keady before him – coaches basketball the “right way” as my basketball role model Bob Knight puts it. Purdue is probably by second favorite team right now. But as a BHGPer, I know I must bring the hate for OUR MOST HATED RIVAL.

"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer

by ReadingRambler on Jan 21, 2011 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Touche.

I dislike Matt Painter with a passion. I do love his facial expressions, ESPECIALLY when Purdue’s losing. Those are always worth a treat.

Matt Painter is a man of many faces, many emotions…but I just can’t like him. Maybe that smug smirk after Hummel pulled a ton of bullshit in the final seconds in that 09 Mackey game by blatantly mugging Keaton Nankivil and somehow getting the free throws to win that game.

I am extremely hostile towards Purdue basketball, but I feel some sort of sympathy for Purdue football. I mean, losing 49-0 to Ohio State? No one deserves that except Michigan.

"Are you joking? Star Trek V is the standard against which all badness is measured!" Raj Koothrappali from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 21, 2011 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm gonna be brutally honest with you, dude.

If I was a Wisconsin fan, I would never complain about a Wisconsin big guy getting mugged. I like Wisconsin’s style, but the plain fact is that no team in this league gets calls at home and in the paint like Wisconsin.

"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer

by ReadingRambler on Jan 22, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Dag.

I feel kinda silly now after watching another episode of “Nobody breath on Sullinger” today in Champaign.

"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer

by ReadingRambler on Jan 22, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Nobody breathe on Sullinger...

This is getting ****ing ridiculous. I don’t care how good he is, a true freshman should NOT be getting star calls.

"Are you joking? Star Trek V is the standard against which all badness is measured!" Raj Koothrappali from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 22, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, now that you're here

Here’s my all Big Ten lineup:

C – Johnson, Purdue
F – Leuer, Wisconsin
G – Moore, Purdue
G – Battle, Penn State or maybe McCamey, Illinois
PG – Taylor, Wisconsin

Honestly, I think Wisconsin’s underachieving a bit with both Taylor and Leuer.

"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer

by ReadingRambler on Jan 22, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I've no arguments with any of those.

JJJ making it over Sullinger would be incredible, though. Just because Sullinger’s so good, he couldn’t possibly get called for blocking fouls!

Oh wait. That’s not something under his control. Even if he does get nothing but arm…

"Are you joking? Star Trek V is the standard against which all badness is measured!" Raj Koothrappali from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 22, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Any all Big Ten team

that doesn’t include Talor Battle and JaJuan Johnson is ridiculous. They’re seniors who lead the league in scoring, and Battle has done it against the league’s toughest schedule.

As for the forward spot, it’s easy to make cases for Leuer and Sullinger. I’d take Sullinger, but I wouldn’t think less of somebody who took Leuer or even took both (3 big men FTW!). The problem with taking both is that between Taylor, Lucas, Moore, and McCamey, you can only take two more. That’s tough

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by ckmneon on Jan 22, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd skip McCamey.

He’s like the Kobe Bryant of the NBA with the rate he goes to the free throw line. It’s totally ridiculous.

"Are you joking? Star Trek V is the standard against which all badness is measured!" Raj Koothrappali from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 22, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

The more I watch

the more it seems like McCamey and Sullinger are really good players who will be fine NBA players, but benefit immensely by being refs’ pets for some reason.

I've got the brains. You've got the looks. Let's make lots of money.

by ckmneon on Jan 23, 2011 8:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, pretty much.

There’s no way I’d take McCamey over Moore. I’m not so sure about Battle simply because I sometimes question his defense.

"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer

by ReadingRambler on Jan 23, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I would question his defense

except that it may very well be a conscientious decision / coaches’ order: if he gets in foul trouble, PSU loses, period. If that means playing slightly more lax D and giving up 3 or 4 buckets per game, so be it, that’s what’s necessary to keep him on the court and give PSU a chance.

I've got the brains. You've got the looks. Let's make lots of money.

by ckmneon on Jan 23, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Sullinger is a better defensive player and low post player.

But it’s very close. He does benefit from crappy officiating. It’s like when Blair was at Pitt. “Why call a foul when he can kill me?”

Leuer isn’t very far behind in the above two categories and he’s a great outside player.

"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer

by ReadingRambler on Jan 23, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

My next 11 years in review piece is on Purdue football...

http://www.offtackleempire.com/2011/1/20/1942603/analysis-purdue-from-2000-to-2010-part-one

"Are you joking? Star Trek V is the standard against which all badness is measured!" Raj Koothrappali from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 21, 2011 8:49 PM EST up reply actions  

How important are the next two games?

By the calculations above, PSU is favored in each of the next two games.

If PSU wins those two games, the chances of getting to 17 wins before the BTT goes to 43.4%, and the chances of making the NCAA tournament overall go from 16.34% to 30.81%.

It officially goes from “not impossible but kind of a long shot” to “not probable but very realistic.”

I've got the brains. You've got the looks. Let's make lots of money.

by ckmneon on Jan 22, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

We can beat Wisconsin (Yes, I am totally discounting Iowa and UM. Will probably haunt me).

They’re good, their stats are great, but they’re not that good. IU gave them a whole lot of trouble.

I see that game as being like every other PSU-Wisco game: close at the half, possibly even a lead for PSU. We’ve folded in the second half every other time, maybe this year is different?

"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer

by ReadingRambler on Jan 22, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Wisconsin owns ED and the stats are very good

that’s more than sufficient reason for them to scare me. Other than that, yeah, I think PSU has looked better recently.

I've got the brains. You've got the looks. Let's make lots of money.

by ckmneon on Jan 22, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

That team is trying to drive me crazy.

Seriously Bo, your players have to close out a damn half. Maybe if they’d done that they’d have beaten MSU (who got no small amount of help from the refs. Again), or Illinois. Or UNLV. But this team’s inability to close out opponents is just ridiculous, it is better than that and yet it keeps on happening.

Then again, sometimes you can’t do anything if the other team’s hitting EVERYTHING they throw to the rim (Indiana)…

"Are you joking? Star Trek V is the standard against which all badness is measured!" Raj Koothrappali from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 22, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Change all 3 and it goes to 92.3%

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by ckmneon on Jan 21, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Purdue less, Ole Miss more.

"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."

by Adam Collyer on Jan 21, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Personally, my favorite comment on that blog.
Penn State plays basketball? Maybe the players are confused and think it’s still football season.

If PSU played in the Big East they would win the football crown every year and be in the bottom 4 BB teams every year.

They’re just afraid

"Want a donut go to dunkin donuts, want a linebacker go to Penn State." - Chris Carter

by xozte on Jan 23, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

As much as I think that

whoever wrote that is vastly overestimating the strength of the bottom half of the Big East in basketball (fact: it’s not nearly as good as the bottom half of the Big Ten), I’m not sure I disagree in football. 2007 is the only year I remember since (and including) 2004 where I wasn’t positive that PSU would win that league in football.

I've got the brains. You've got the looks. Let's make lots of money.

by ckmneon on Jan 23, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

2004 we would have won.

No team in the Big East would have scored more than 3 points on us that year. And we were good for 2 field goals a game, so, yeah.

"This is being a Penn State fan. We’ll prove it, or we won’t. It’s not about proving it to them, it’s about proving to ourselves."

by mvrck on Jan 23, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

the number of (less than 10) to (less than 6) victories would have been mind-boggling

I've got the brains. You've got the looks. Let's make lots of money.

by ckmneon on Jan 23, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

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