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It Gets Better: Penn State 13, Iowa 3

Matt McGloin (11) scans the field during a third quarter drive in Penn State's win over Iowa, 13-3, Oct. 8, 2011. (BSD/Mike Pettigano) View more photos from the game.

Penn State 13, Iowa 3

5-1 Overall, 2-0 Big Ten, 1-0 Pig Division

Game Over, Man.  Game Over.  This quarterback contest is done.  Urban Meyer remarked toward the end of Penn State's first offensive drive that at Thursday practice, he did not see Bolden complete a single pass over five yards.  This makes sense, as Bolden did not throw a single decent pass on the entire first drive.  Please allow me The Reading Of The Box Score:

PSU     1-10    at Psu10    PENN STATE drive start at 09:52.
PSU     1-10    at Psu10    Bolden, Rob pass incomplete to Suhey, Joe.

Wildly overthrown as he was about to be hit.

PSU     1-10    at Psu27    Bolden, Rob pass complete to Suhey, Joe for 3 yards to the PSU30.

Screen, which again, too high to be cleanly handled by the running back.


PSU     3-4    at Psu33    Bolden, Rob pass complete to Suhey, Joe for 9 yards to the PSU42, 1ST DOWN PSU.

This should've been a pick-six for Iowa's LB Nielsen, and magically wasn't.

PSU     2-1    at Iowa49    Bolden, Rob pass complete to Szczerba, A. for 19 yards to the IOWA30, 1ST DOWN PSU.

Kick save by the umpire, as detailed here.


PSU     3-4    at Iowa17    Bolden, Rob pass incomplete to Brown, Justin.

A McNabb special, thrown behind and at the feet of the receiver. Also nearly intercepted by Micah Hyde.

PSU     4-4    at Iowa17    Lewis, Evan rush for 8 yards to the IOWA9, 1ST DOWN PSU.

PSU     2-G    at Iowa06    Bolden, Rob pass incomplete to Szczerba, A..

Corner route for Szczerba, thrown nowhere near him.

Bolden threw one more pass on the afternoon, a third quarter incompletion to Devon Smith.  Rob looks completely shattered at this point, and it's time for the coaches, players, and fans to embrace the crazy train that is McGloin Moxie Mania.  Which reminds me.

McGloin Moxie Mania.  I write this as a pre-season member of #TeamBolden, but we can't deny that Matt is the right quarterback for this offense, right?  Yes, McGloin's red zone interception was unconscionably bad.  It was a mental mistake (throwing to a covered receiver instead of the 10th row) compounded by a physical mistake (horribly underthrowing the pass).  Really, the only redeeming part of this play was ABC cutting to a young female student in a tanktop, mouthing the words "You gotta be f**king kidding me."  With you, sister.  With you.

Yes, McGloin throws a handful of passes each game that take months off your life.  Otherwise, he was pretty good on Saturday, especially on out patterns to Justin Brown and Derek Moye. Honestly, it's practically irrelevant what McGloin can or can't do at this point.  He's the best option, and even the most ardent Bolden supporters are crazy to deny it.  Urban Meyer and Chris Spielman were preaching it throughout the entire broadcast.  Also, Urban Meyer and Chris Spielman are not blind.  Bolden has been given every opportunity to seize the position, and has painfully regressed.  End this circus now, please.

LOLWUT?  Iowa has a 3rd and 12 on their opening drive, and Penn State rolls with this defensive alignment:

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A 3-3-5?  Eat it, Rich Rod!

A Stephfon Green Sighting!  Yes, it was only one screen pass (naturally) in the second quarter, but keep an eye on Green's workload in upcoming games.

Dukes: A Hazard.  How nice is it to see Curtis Dukes truckin' fools?  Listen to anyone around the program and they'll tell you that the switch has flipped for Dukes, and he now runs like the 230+ pound running back he is (rather than the guy who spent high school outrunning eleven McLovins at a time).  For an endorsement of Dukes' newfound confidence in his power, talk to Iowa DB Jordan Bernstine, who took on Dukes in the first quarter and landed about five yards further downfield.

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The Mysterious World Of DeOnt'ae Pannell.  If the first two plays of the game for Penn State's offense don't sum up Pannell and the offensive line in general, what does?  On the very first play, he's quickly discarded by Iowa's DT Mike Daniels, who then takes a free run and hit on Rob Bolden as he's releasing the ball.  On the second play, he beautifully seals off Daniels (with a little help from Chima Okoli) as Silas Redd runs for 18 yards.  However, it was clear that this unit became more effective as the game progressed, and put together their finest effort of the season -- and yes, that includes the cupcake games.  This became especially apparent halfway through the third quarter, when everything for Penn State's ground game appeared to be downhill.  Iowa's front seven couldn't get off blocks, and the unblocked defenders that plagued PSU throughout the first five games were no longer unblocked. So very encouraging.  Now let's finish some drives in the red zone, boys.

A Cacophony Of HAM.  Just a never-ending series of blitzing linebackers, especially in the second half.  Iowa never adjusted.  It helped that Iowa's receivers were dropping hot-read passes practically all day long, but the point remains.  Iowa prepared for the same Penn State defense they'd always seen, and got something completely different:

"We went into this trying to do some things different than we had done in the past against [Iowa]," said Tom Bradley. "A little different on down-and-distance and personnel groupings. They had two weeks to prepare for us [with a de facto bye against Louisiana-Monroe on Sept. 24, then an actual one last Saturday]. We didn't want them to get a great bead on us."

The exact reasons were left encrypted but the coordinator said the defensive staff saw some things on tape that indicated specific "choice blitzes" were a good idea:

"We've never 'gone' that much in a long time."

Choice blitzes are called when an anticipated offensive set tells a tendency. Whatever that tip-off was, Penn State saw it a lot and the end of the equation was very often Hodges careening in from Vandenberg's blind side, juking a lunging tackle, tight end or running back and pouring into the quarterback's face.

Hodges' big play was a 3rd and 7 early in the fourth quarter.  Nate Stupar was already showing blitz, dancing on the line of scrimmage between Eric Latimore and Devon Still.  At the snap, Stupar dropped back and Hodges charged forward between Iowa's LG (who blocked down on Jordan Hill) and LT (preoccupied with Sean Stanley).  Hodges flashed around Marcus Coker, knocked the ball out of Vandenberg's hand, and Still recovered the fumble.

The result of all this?  Worst loss for Iowa since a 28-19 headscratcher against Western Michigan in 2007.

"THANK YOU GOD!"  Just noticed a female student in a PSU hardhat screaming this after McGloin's touchdown pass to Kevin Haplea.  Your 2011 Penn State offense, ladies and gentlemen!  The touchdown, of course, was the only passing play on the entire drive.  Iowa's defense was ground to bits at this point in the game, making this seem like the absolute opposite of practically every Penn State - Iowa game we've witnessed lately.  Second half turnovers?  Worn out defense?  Yes, please!

Nexting.  A game against something called Purdue, which beat Minnesota 45-17 on Saturday.

Finally.  One of these guys wore a crisp shirt with a blue and white tie that was TOTALLY NOT FORESHADOWING YOU GUYS SHUT UP.  The other wore something which prompted my wife to say, "it looks like autumn threw up":

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3-3-5

Not trying to be “that guy” here, but PSU has run a version of the 3-3-5 for a long time.

The first time (without looking it up) I can recall noticing it on the field was during the 2005 season, particularly in the ’06 Orange Bowl.

A Garden State Nittany Lion...

"The way things are these days, 9-3 and one of the best graduation rates in the country doesn't seem like such a terrible bargain to make." - Michael Weinreb

by Mike Pettigano on Oct 10, 2011 10:43 AM EDT reply actions  

I am Rec'ing this. Join me.

Because 8-bit Nintendo always gets a Rec.

Ninjas!!!

"I don't think you can progress in this game unless you know about the past."
-Silas Redd

by PSU_Buch on Oct 10, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have tried to play Bad Dudes several times on emulators

Unfortunately it’s just too… bad.

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by newenglandnittanylion on Oct 10, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

4-2-5

I saw them running a lot more nickel packages this game to match up with Iowa’s spread. I don’t recall too many times in the past when PSU looked this prepared for an opposing offense. I thought Willis came in and played a fantastic game and Fortt and Hodges were just awesome.

by GMac14 on Oct 10, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

2-5-4

That was the base defense in the 1987 Fiesta Bowl.

tO$U sucks-ALWAYS the right choice!

by nits4ever on Oct 10, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dukes!

It wasn’t four weeks ago (with Beachum’s boo-boo) that I was amped for Curtis Dukes’ arrival. His build reminds me of RB’s of old. He hasn’t disappointed… especially this past weekend.

Buckeye born, Nittany Lion by choice.

by nittanylines on Oct 10, 2011 10:54 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Dukes...

I think he deserves some snaps in front of Beachum. He just needs to work on ball security.

by Artiefufkin10 on Oct 10, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree.

Hate to see a guy lose something due to injury (of course, it happened to Wally Pipp), but I just think Dukes has seized the moment.

by J Breezy on Oct 10, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

If the offensive line keeps blocking like bullies

there might be enough carries for all 3.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Oct 10, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Bolden...

I don’t know what else to say about him anymore. I was on #TeamBolden this year, but he just can’t seem to take the next step. It shows in so many ways.

-Mac can get the team lined up and get the snap off even when they break the huddle with 10-11 secs on the play clock. Bolden can’t do it.
-Bolden had no confidence on his throws Saturday. Everything was poorly placed and its a miracle he didn’t have 1-2 picks.
-Bolden probably would not have hit Haplea for that TD pass if he had the opportunity.

I don’t know what else to say. Is he suffering from bad coaching? Does he lack command? Was he poorly scouted as a recruit? I’ve never wanted a guy to succeed more, but I’m on #TeamWin now. If it’s Mac, so be it.

by Artiefufkin10 on Oct 10, 2011 10:58 AM EDT reply actions  

I completely agree

I have also been a TeamBolden guy for the past year and a half, but he just doesn’t seem comfortable. Maybe if he didn’t get hurt last year and then was named starter this year he would be playing better, but clearly he’s not getting it. McGloin really does move the offense better and I think the team plays with a better pace when he is in. I was at the game and I’m pretty sure the crowd actually was cheering and more excited when McGloin came in.

As for McGloin’s INT in the endzone, I would argue that maybe it wasn’t a mental mistake, but just a physical one. Moye has space behind him in the endzone and if McGloin just throws the ball up a little higher and deeper, I think Moye makes the catch. I think the throw he made into triple coverage was more of a mental mistake than the end zone throw. The only reason the triple coverage throw isn’t talked about as much is because Moye made a fantastic play. But I think that throw was worse and could have been picked too.

by GMac14 on Oct 10, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't get me wrong..

Mac still makes some awful throws. The early pass to Moye that was tipped and caught (by Moye) could have been thrown to at least 2 other guys (Dukes in the flat and somebody else).

Overall, he did a great job, though he could use more zip on his out-routes.

by Artiefufkin10 on Oct 10, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

when he has run through 2 progressions and has nothing he throws to Moye, see interception.

He usually throws it high and hopes Moye makes a play. I just wish he could learn the back shoulder throw, it would really help when Moye is tightly covered.

My grammer skills need improved.

by BMAN13 on Oct 10, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with this completely.

If anything, I wish he’d thrown the one that was picked a little further for the TD, and had gotten picked off on the one into triple coverage. It would have reinforced what he was supposed to have learned last year. As it is, it’s just ‘I missed on the fade.’

by PSUEnrg02 on Oct 10, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was staunchly #TeamBolden going into the season

But I can’t deny what way the wind’s blowing. I still think that giving Bolden all the snaps at the beginning of the season would’ve been the right move, but it’s too late for that now. Give our Gingered Reserve the ball and let’s hold onto our butts.

by Peter Gray on Oct 10, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's all really challenging for me...

Because I feel like next year will be another “competition” in camp—with/without Bolden—adding Jones in the mix. If Bolden stays, this all gets recycled. I’m not sure my heart can take another year of this civil war.

Buckeye born, Nittany Lion by choice.

by nittanylines on Oct 10, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

lets what Daddy Bolden has to say

"Rabble rabble rabble; fire Joe; snarky meme; rude nickname; rabble rabble rabble

by letsgopsu on Oct 10, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe if JoePa retires...

…this neverending, guilt-based QB waffling over “fairness” will stop.

"Wham! a homma. Wham! Another homma. Wham! Wham! Wham!"

by LowcountryLion on Oct 10, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

needs more ellipsis.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Oct 10, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I...

…agree…Period.

"Wham! a homma. Wham! Another homma. Wham! Wham! Wham!"

by LowcountryLion on Oct 10, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or -

- maybe you prefer em-dashes – :-)

"Wham! a homma. Wham! Another homma. Wham! Wham! Wham!"

by LowcountryLion on Oct 10, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just a thought Artie-

During the game, I think it was Urban who made a comment which went something like “..Penn State’s WR routes are such that they take a longer time to develop….” .

If that’s true, then would one think that it could be Bolden’s relative lack of pocket presence and his discomfort/inability to scramble a little and buy a little more time for himself which is causing the problems? Those are the 2 specific things that Mcgloin seems to have an upper hand , which also makes it seem like he is better able to cover longer passes? Maybe that’s the reason the playcalling also seems to be a little different for both, and Bolden’s strength seems to be the short intermediate passes alone?

Just a novice opinion from a guy who has been watching this game only for the last 7 years, so if my observation is wrong, do feel free to correct it!

by PennState-India on Oct 10, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Its not a bad theory...

I think Bolden looks better when they move the pocket for him.

HIs short throws lack touch though. And 75% of time I feel like he’s targeting Moye, regardless of him being in the pocket or outside.

by Artiefufkin10 on Oct 10, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

YES

Very impressive

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by newenglandnittanylion on Oct 10, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

#TeamAmos

Fantastic game by a true freshman. Stepped in and looked like he has been playing in the system for a long time. I’m truly excited about his potential moving forward.

by GMac14 on Oct 10, 2011 11:09 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Amos

Yeah I agree. He’s been a very pleasant surprise. The way he defended McNutt on that slant route late in the game made him look like a veteran player.

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by apy5000 on Oct 10, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Amos is bona fide

If he does’t put on too much weight, he’s going to be a NFL corner. If he does, he might be an NFL safety. Kid’s got something special. I mean how many defensive backs have been good enough to play meaningful snaps/start games in the first 6 weeks? And not because of attrition, but because their just really good?

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Oct 10, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

And recall that the BTN guys were talking him up

in the preseason. I distinctly remember hearing DiNardo say that Bradley wouldn’t aggressively coach up a true freshman he didn’t expect would see meaningful PT that year. Seems like the staff recognized what they had in Amos right away.

"I don't think you can progress in this game unless you know about the past."
-Silas Redd

by PSU_Buch on Oct 10, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was a last-minute decommit from UConn

After swiping Redd and Fortt from CT the previous season, I’m starting to feel bad for my home-state team. Not THAT bad, mind you.

He’s going to be very good. To cover a #1 target like McNutt so well in his first start is pretty amazing.

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by newenglandnittanylion on Oct 10, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I trust the words of Urban and Speilman more than any of us fools.

I heard Speilman say multiple times that McMoxie should play…I believe it.

That dude is intense..one notch below Brian Cox and Romo.

I blame HITS

by SweepTheLeg on Oct 10, 2011 11:13 AM EDT reply actions  

I was at the game but watched it on DVR last night...

And Urban did slip on PSU’s first drive and say “our their quarterbacks” when referring to PSU. He caught himself as it was coming out and quickly covered it but it was too late. And all of the gushing over JoePa as the best college ffotball coach of all time. He’s as good as ours if Joe gives his blessing and retires.

Silas Redd will break Evan Roysters all time rushing record and JoePa's last season will be 2011.

Prediction date 11/22/10

by gradiology on Oct 10, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

"It's never a bad thing thing to vote for the suckiness of tOSU." -RWReese

by Paige2PSU on Oct 10, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

SUBJECT LINE!

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 10, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

BADGERBADGERBADGER!

mushroommushroommushroom

"Rabble rabble rabble; fire Joe; snarky meme; rude nickname; rabble rabble rabble

by letsgopsu on Oct 10, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really think that the slip up was about forgetting that he's a commentator,

and not a coach for a half-instant. I don’t think it had anything to do at all with feeling like he’s already a part of PSU.

by PSUEnrg02 on Oct 10, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're probably right...

but I can still dream.

Success with honor or... "We are the model of compliance" and "I am just hoping he doesn't fire me"? You decide.

by gradiology on Oct 10, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, it could have easily been a better weekend to "recruit Urban"...

You know, how about if the stadium would have been full? But, honestly, how can you blame people for not wanting to come to the game with the way the coaching has been this year? Lately, every time I look at my ticket with that $64 face price, I get pissed. They better use my money to get a coach to bring us back to the top.

BTW, did anyone see that Colin Cowherd called PSU a “sleeping giant” last week? He was referring to the potential when a new coach is hired.

by rodney20 on Oct 10, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

8-tracks were unsuccessful as a medium

due to many reasons, one of which was their limited capacity.

Your mind has 1-track. Even if it sounded alright the first time, people will quickly become disinterested in your song. Especially if it’s the only thing you have to offer.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Oct 10, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Actually 8-tracks were successful for over a decade, they were just replaced by cassettes once the technology improved.

The biggest reason 8-tracks were dominant from about the late 60s through the early 80s was the sound was better than cassettes (which were only invented a few years later than 8-tracks) and were a lot more portable than albums, and only were replaced once cassettes improved their playback quality enough to shed their reputation as just for answering machines. I even remember seeing 8-tracks as late as 1988.

</OT music nerd spiel>

by Altoona Man on Oct 10, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Nope

But my friend’s dad had one in his Trans Am and I’ve seen a lot of them at garage sales. My point remains.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Oct 10, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

My tickets' face prices

are well worth every penny. I get to spend Saturdays, win or lose, in one of my favorite places in the world, with 100,000 (give or take) people who love something I love.

And the stadium was pretty damn full, fullest of Penn Staters so far this year—even though the student section didn’t fill up completely, as neither did the upper East side. It was still pretty damn impressive, and I’d much rather have a stadium of 104,000 people stay till the end of the 4th quarter than 108,000 leaving by the beginning of the third.

Fire Dan Snyder

by Cari Greene on Oct 10, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I don't know...

Seems to me that I used to pay a hell of a lot less to see a much better product. I still go to the games and have fun…it is still fun. The evolutions in tailgating have improved with portable directv, etc. The beer is still cold. The food is still great. But, there is a reason that stadium isn’t full.

by rodney20 on Oct 10, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

the reason is that all the people who paid less than market value for their seats for years and years decided not to ante up.

I know that’s not the only reason, but IMO that’s a huge chunk of it.

Fire Dan Snyder

by Cari Greene on Oct 11, 2011 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe they weren't paying less than market value.

The market determines the value of something by paying what it thinks something is worth. Judging by the empty seats on Saturday, I’d say the market values Penn State tickets a bit lower than Penn State thinks it should.

I'm dead certain we're going to lose today. I’d put Penn State’s chances of victory at literally zero point zero

by jesse. on Oct 11, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

If those seats were at a $100 giving level

they’d have been filled. That may be market value. many of the people who dropped their season tickets weren’t giving anything—just paying the face value of the ticket. That is DEFINITELY below market value—but I agree, the $800 per seat giving level may be above it.

Fire Dan Snyder

by Cari Greene on Oct 11, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I actually enjoyed...

Speilman’s frontal release. He was not holding back. He completely ripped into one of the Iowa DB’s for diving at the feet of Redd or Dukes rather than taking him on. No sugar coating by him. But, yeah… who dresses that guy?

Silas Redd will break Evan Roysters all time rushing record and JoePa's last season will be 2011.

Prediction date 11/22/10

by gradiology on Oct 10, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Although I did feel sorry for the defender for getting singled out.

Success with honor or... "We are the model of compliance" and "I am just hoping he doesn't fire me"? You decide.

by gradiology on Oct 10, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

please remember he lost his wife to breast cancer last year

she may have helped him with his wardrobe, and he is having some trouble adjusting

we know (or at least I strongly assume) ESPN does not provide wardrobe assistance, based on Jesse Palmer’s short tie and his current choice, the tight nipple revealing shirt

"Rabble rabble rabble; fire Joe; snarky meme; rude nickname; rabble rabble rabble

by letsgopsu on Oct 10, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

For an OSU guy..Speilman is alright..

what he went through with his wife a few years ago is truly awful. And as a former LB, he has good insight into what’s going on.

by Artiefufkin10 on Oct 10, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wish nothing for the best for him in his personal life, but he is a bonehead announcer and the sound of his voice makes me want to vomit on a kitten.

by Illegal Formation on Oct 10, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

As a former LB,

I knew how iffy that holding call on Zordich must have been. If the ILB is saying it’s not a hold, it’s not a hold.

by ChrisHarrell's_stache05 on Oct 10, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

She passed away from breast cancer several years ago.

I believe it re-emerged over and over again.

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by Adam Collyer on Oct 10, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

God rest her soul.

How sad. Hard to imagine dealing with something that tragic so young.

by Ab4PSU on Oct 10, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

she just died last year I think

she was only 42

"Rabble rabble rabble; fire Joe; snarky meme; rude nickname; rabble rabble rabble

by letsgopsu on Oct 10, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually enjoyed listening to the play-by-play and commentary of this game

That team provided some actual insight into what was going on on the field, let each person talk, and didn’t try to sell the game. It was the first time in years I’ve actually listened to the booth

by ChrisHarrell's_stache05 on Oct 10, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe it's just because I want to like Urban Meyer...

…while hoping he actually would coach Penn State, but I thought he was actually pretty insightful about the game. Chris Speilman went to Ohio State, but other than that, I won’t say anything else bad about him.

I'm dead certain we're going to lose today. I’d put Penn State’s chances of victory at literally zero point zero

by jesse. on Oct 10, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

My only criticism of Spielman...

…and it’s minor, is when he went out of his way to empasize that Tressel was a great coach.

by J Breezy on Oct 10, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tressel's looking like a

genius right now. Would OSU be 3-3 with him? Who knows, but chances are the Buckeyes wouldn’t be quites so afflicted.

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by rahpsu92 on Oct 10, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a "chicken-egg" question

O$U is playing without talented players because Tressel allowed them to get away with murder as long as they came to play on Saturday, and hell, how many of those great players, current or former, would have been elsewhere were it not for the lure of the permissive culture surrounding compliance?

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-Silas Redd

by PSU_Buch on Oct 10, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tressell was a great coach

When it came to game planning, discipline on the field and execution. He was a terrible coach when it came to integrity.

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by Kyle_Martin on Oct 10, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

Again I didn’t write it well at all. I don’t disagree with what Spielman said, I just didn’t like hearing it said so emphatically. Seemed like he was trying to imply Tressel was done an injustice.

Regardless, it was not a big deal at all.

by J Breezy on Oct 10, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yea I'm sure Spielman thought that

But guarantee you that Posey/Pryor etc thought what they were doing was ok too.

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by Kyle_Martin on Oct 10, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

and discipline off the field...

"Rabble rabble rabble; fire Joe; snarky meme; rude nickname; rabble rabble rabble

by letsgopsu on Oct 10, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

#10

I think that was Willis. He played a pretty good game. He might have been in there because of the injuries to Lynn and Morris

by GMac14 on Oct 10, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks..

He was very good last year filling in for Sukay. Its good we get him on the field whenever we can. And with Purdue/jNW upcoming, those are some very pass-oriented systems, so hopefully more Willis.

by Artiefufkin10 on Oct 10, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that Willis played well last year and still looks to be taking advantage of his playing time this season. And I agree about the upcoming games. I think playing more defensive backs will only help against the spread. And with Amos getting time, he is another guy to count on when Lynn comes back.

by GMac14 on Oct 10, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Willis took safety

And Astorino rotated to nickel.

"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."

-J.V.Pa.

by psume06 on Oct 10, 2011 12:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

And jtw beat me.

Damn phone

"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."

-J.V.Pa.

by psume06 on Oct 10, 2011 12:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

PAUL JONES FOR HEISMAN, 2012

But seriously, start Matt.

Here’s the thing with Bolden, he can’t handle pressure at all. So all teams do it blitz when Rob is in. Rob hasn’t regressed, teams have just figured him out. Give him time and I’ll still take him anyday over Matt. Too bad that won’t happen. So Rob the bench, Matt to the lineup, and PAUL JONES 2012.

Also, Adrian Amos is wonderful and makes me feel a lot better about the secondary next year. And DaQuan got a lot of PT, and Olaniyan saw a good amount of PT too.

And well, Iowa does have a very good OL, headlined by future top 15 pick Riley Reiff. And we still shut them down.
:D x 10^23

Needs moar Dukes
Sean Lee is the only tolerable thing about the Cowboys

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Oct 10, 2011 11:21 AM EDT reply actions  

He's regressed.

Watch the first 3 games of last year (non-Alabama division). He had amazing zip on his ball and was generallly pretty accurate on his intermediate stuff. I remember watching and saying “man, if they can coach this kid up and get him experience, he looks like a star”

Now he doesn’t seem to have as much confidence and instead of just rocketing the ball, he seems to be aiming. I don’t think it has anything to do with defenses figuring anything out, I just think he’s not as confident in his arm and is playing the game inside his mind more than on the field. I know because this is what happened to me when I played certain sports (pitching, but the general point is the same)

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Oct 10, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh my gosh!

You’re Steve Blass!!

This proves PSU owns New England.

by J Breezy on Oct 10, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha

Except my meltdown occurred at 17 in front of about 30 fans

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Oct 10, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry man.

I didn’t think this all out. I didn’t mean to make light of whatever happened, no matter when or where it happened.

by J Breezy on Oct 10, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh no, there wasn't even a real meltdown

The point of my story was just that sometimes when I was pitching, I’d play things out in my head and think about hitting the outside corner so much that when I went to throw I would be aiming the ball. It was always more effective when there was minimal conscious thought, like “fastball, outside corner” then start into the windup and let the ball go. It’s basically all predicated on confidence.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Oct 10, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some times I think one can think too much.

I could make some really good catches in the outfield on balls hit to the gap, short, over my head, etc. I was just reacting. But then I’d screw up one right to me. I think a lot of it had to do with having time to think about it and thinking “ok, gotta make this catch”.

I think that’s part of what makes golf so difficult. It’s all thought and really no reaction. I’m terrible at golf, but I think I’d probably be better if instead of hitting off a tee or the ground somebody would toss it towards me and I had to react by hitting it out of the air wherever it was.

by J Breezy on Oct 10, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, exactly...that's the sentiment I was trying to articulate

The way I see it, Bolden when he first came in was just firing. Now I don’t know if it’s because he got jerked around/felt he had to look over his shoulder or if it’s just a natural part of his growth as a QB (experiencing failure, seeing different defensive looks, etc.), but it’s clear to me that he’s doing more thinking than he should be. This is why he’s regressed…he’s hesitating and aiming his passes.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Oct 10, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Beautiful 2nd half to watch especially!

On a lighter note, can I be the official rant for this board? Sample this – on the game day thread during the half, I commented that:

1. OL run blocking was not upto par
2. LBs were good but not LB-U caliber (which I thought they’d be before the season began)
3. TE position was a disappointment

After the half – the OL was almost beastly in their run blocking, Hodges runs amok for some crucial plays (not to forget Stupar’s tip for the INT in coverage) , and Haplea makes an end-zone appearance for our only TD!

by PennState-India on Oct 10, 2011 11:34 AM EDT reply actions  

From BHGP...

“I found the Penn State defense to be well coached and balanced but not particularly fast, athletic or even of great size and strength.”

Now don’t go over there and troll them, but I really, really disagree. I think Ferentz and Vandenberg would too. Maybe the game looks much slower from the upper deck.

by Artiefufkin10 on Oct 10, 2011 11:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Size? Still is like 8 feet tall

I can understand them not seeing any freak athletes on the field like we had in the past in Bowman, or Maybin, etc. But Still is a mountain and our LB’s are collectively as athletic a group as we have ever had.

Anyway, the flashlights eat our human power grids, our souls if you will. So i destroyed them, and if a few precious panties were burnt or soiled in the reckoning then so be it

by millzners on Oct 10, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hill and Still are a very large duo..

I think Hodges and Fortt are very, very athletic.

Oh also, that true frosh who shutdown your top WR? His name is Famous Amos.

by Artiefufkin10 on Oct 10, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Artie earns a cookie!!

Good job, bro!

"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.

"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."

by PSU_Lions_84 on Oct 10, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That is interesting...

Considering Still is the largest man on that line both ways, linebackers were running around blocks all day, and the secondary put hands on the ball often…I think that covers fast, athletic, and size quite nicely? Whatevs…

"That's why you don't play! 'Cuz you're no good!" -Joe Paterno

by pmm156 on Oct 10, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Was that a post or from one of the staff?

That’s completely crazy. Our defensive just dominated them and their 38 ppg.

Success with honor or... "We are the model of compliance" and "I am just hoping he doesn't fire me"? You decide.

by gradiology on Oct 10, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's Ross.

When he’s good, he’s great. When he’s trying too hard, he’s not so good. That’s all I’ve got to say about that.

"Who do you think you are? You’re the son-of-a-bitch that sat at that desk over there and fired Johnny Cash. Let it go down in history that you’re the dumbest son-of-a-bitch I’ve ever met." - Merle Haggard

by ReadingRambler on Oct 10, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's actually

from the StoopsMyAss post

Formerly known as kmart93

Black Shoe Diaries

by Kyle_Martin on Oct 10, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah

Well, my feeling still stands, in all honesty.

"Who do you think you are? You’re the son-of-a-bitch that sat at that desk over there and fired Johnny Cash. Let it go down in history that you’re the dumbest son-of-a-bitch I’ve ever met." - Merle Haggard

by ReadingRambler on Oct 10, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

To clarify

I think SMA is similar to how I described Ross. They’re both really intelligent and I love reading the vast majority of their posts.

"Who do you think you are? You’re the son-of-a-bitch that sat at that desk over there and fired Johnny Cash. Let it go down in history that you’re the dumbest son-of-a-bitch I’ve ever met." - Merle Haggard

by ReadingRambler on Oct 10, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

A different perspective:

"I found the Iowa offense to be well coached and balanced but not particularly fast, athletic or even of great size and strength. And their defense kept getting trucked by the Penn State running backs. And their DBs have alligator arms."

Easy to make Monday morning comments.

Not picking on SMA, per se; he had a nice long post shortly after the game. Guess his persnicketiness developed on Sunday.

"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.

"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."

by PSU_Lions_84 on Oct 10, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Outside of our DE

This is the most impressive physical defense we’ve had in a long time. It’s not like we have MAC measurables playing up because of B1G coaching. Astorino might be the only player on our D who is not physically imposing for his position, and he’s a good, heady player.

Devon Still is bigger than Grimace. Gerald Hodgers is both big and quick. Khairi Fortt is starting to look like a man. Carson is about the same size as Connor and Puz were and bigger than Lee at the same point in his career. Amos is a freak. Nick Sukay might be the largest safety in the B1G. And Lynn didn’t even play, but all the NFL Draft sites list him as S/CB, meaning that he’s not only fast enough to get drafted as a CB, but strong enough to be considered at S.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Oct 10, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Astorino is a good example of someone

who takes relatively modest athletic skill and over-achieves by having great football instincts. The inverse of young Mr. Bolden, as you folks so well dissected elsewhere in this string.

"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.

"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."

by PSU_Lions_84 on Oct 10, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree.

It depends on your definition of “athlete.” I believe Astorino is a pretty athletic dude. His problem is that he is somewhat undersized to be playing a position that amounts to a roving linebacker. He does have great instincts, but that goes along with athleticism in my book. Also, he is certainly fast enough and always seems to be in good position. If he was slow and/or did not have good athleticism, that would not happen, no matter how smart he was.

by rodney20 on Oct 10, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Doesn't say much for their offense then

3 pts
5 sacks
2 ints

we're all here, but we're not all there

by GoodOleDays on Oct 10, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's about as idiotic

as saying Adrian Clayborn was “well coached and balanced but not particularly fast, athletic or even of great size and strength.” No, he beasted PSU back in the day of yesteryear. It’s moronic to claim otherwise.

PSU beasted Iowa, especially in the 2nd half. I know Iowa is used to be more physical and talented on D, but it was not their year this time.

by gcdyersb on Oct 11, 2011 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good commentary on Pannell.

Who was at RG on the TD drive? I don’t remember.

I’m happy the QB controversy is over so that we can focus on right guard, which is probably a more important position at this point, given how badly this team needs to run the ball to be successful. They’re still trying RG by committee six weeks in. #teamjustpickone.

by Illegal Formation on Oct 10, 2011 11:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Was that a post or from one of the staff?

That’s completely crazy. Our defensive just dominated them and their 38 ppg.

Success with honor or... "We are the model of compliance" and "I am just hoping he doesn't fire me"? You decide.

by gradiology on Oct 10, 2011 11:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for this, Chris

Great analysis and your wife’s comment about Spielman’s wardrobe choice had me holding my nose so my coffee wouldn’t come out of it.

by The Schmatta on Oct 10, 2011 11:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Offensive line looked confident

Towards the end of that game, when the line broke the huddle and walked up to the ball, there was this look about them like something bad was going to happen to the Iowa line. It was confidence, it was just oozing out of them. It reminded me of our 2008 line. Maybe this performance was that moment when all this talent finally clicks.

Anyway, the flashlights eat our human power grids, our souls if you will. So i destroyed them, and if a few precious panties were burnt or soiled in the reckoning then so be it

by millzners on Oct 10, 2011 11:51 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

As they walked off the field after the PAT

At least 2 of them had their helmets off and were trying to pump up the crowd. You could tell they were confident and had a little strut to their walk.

by GMac14 on Oct 10, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I was watching Sukay after his INT

He was, dare I say, more intense than Mauti generally is after a big play. Like 2 minutes after the play he was pumping his fist and screaming and bumping into any player on the sideline who was around. I love seeing that.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Oct 10, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I know I'm in the minority here,

but I’ve always liked Sukay. Sure, he struggled at first but I could see the flashes of his becoming a good player. I like his size, he’s faster than most people think, he’s athletic, and he HITS.

by J Breezy on Oct 10, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I was actually searching around to see what his NFL Draft prospects were

Because he has really impressed me. I think if he can put up some good 40 times, he’ll get drafted late, but drafted. He’s looked good all year, he’s basically like a small linebacker back there, and he’s showing a nose for the ball. The NFL is a different game, but if his speed is even adequate for an NFL safety, I think he’ll get a chance.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Oct 10, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he'll be in a camp.

But I don’t think he’ll make a roster. Maybe a PS.

by J Breezy on Oct 10, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I think it's all about his 40-time

If he can’t at least somewhat contain your Mike Wallaces and DeSean Jacksons, he won’t be able to play. But I’ve seen worse safeties at the NFL level, at least in my non-scout opinion.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Oct 10, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's playing the equivalent of Free Safety for PSU.

If he makes it in the NFL, he’ll be a strong safety. I’d guess he’s a mid 4.5 range guy, and at his size that’s probably fast enough if his game film is good enough.

by PSUEnrg02 on Oct 10, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Again, I'm no scout

But watching the games live this year, I’ve been impressed. Good player. I’d like to see him get a chance from someone late.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Oct 10, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

moar oozing plz

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by letsgopsu on Oct 10, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

This game is undoubtedly a step in the right direction for the OL

They will need to build on it though. Going out on Saturday and pushing Purdue around would make me feel a whole hell of a lot better about this team’s chances in November.

by Peter Gray on Oct 10, 2011 11:55 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

as well it should..

They have a dynamic offense.

PSU is going to have to score more than 13 to beat them. And they better be ready to defend the option.

by Artiefufkin10 on Oct 10, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Illinois

IMO is our toughest game until Wisconsin.

tO$U sucks-ALWAYS the right choice!

by nits4ever on Oct 10, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Revenge.

After the egg we laid against Illinois at home last year, God willing, if our defense suffers no further injuries, I see our defense beating the shit out of the Illini.

by Ab4PSU on Oct 10, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scheelhaase is a good athlete and can make things happen with his arm and feet

and this AJ Jenkins dude is out of control. We’ll need to dial up a good scheme, but I think we have the personnel to slow them down.

We’ve done very well against pocket passers so far, I’m really interested to see how we’ll do against QBs who can run and pass like Persa and The Human Vowel. I think our DE will have to play smarter and step up a little to contain edges, but we definitely have the LB to limit them. If our D can hold NW and Ill to very little, this might end up being one of our best defenses ever.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Oct 10, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope so Abs

“The human Vowel” – HAHAHAHA or rather HEEEHAAA

Like you said Octa, for those 2 games, a lot might depend on the effectiveness of The Englishman, Lattimore and Stanley.

by PennState-India on Oct 10, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I honestly don't think we'll have an issue beating NW

They don’t have a defense. Denard Robinson threw for 337 yards against them! He hasn’t done that like ever.

Formerly known as kmart93

Black Shoe Diaries

by Kyle_Martin on Oct 10, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn't talking about winning as much as I was about stopping their offense

I mean if we can hold them under 14, I’d hope we could win. It’s just a matter of making life hard for Persa. Same for Illinois, though they have more talent elsewhere.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Oct 10, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Persa has been great since coming back

but he hasn’t done much in the ground game. I think he’s still a bit hesitant to run right now. Also he’s played against Illinois and Michigan defenses. Not exactly your elite secondaries.

Formerly known as kmart93

Black Shoe Diaries

by Kyle_Martin on Oct 10, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will stand up for Pannell

As an Olineman you don’t know how the D lineman accross from you is going to play (despite film) until you start hitting pads. Clearly Pannell did not use the correct approach on the first play, but his adjustment for the good block on the next play was very excellent.
As mentioned, the line as a whole improved throughout the game until this reminded me of Tony Hunt plowing over Tennessee. Very rewarding.

by psu on Oct 10, 2011 11:59 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I feel bad for Pannell.

He’s been getting jerked around for three years, and I’m sure it’s set him back a bit. That having been said, if he hasn’t cleanly won a starting spot by the time he’s a senior, it may be time to start looking at the next generation.

by Illegal Formation on Oct 10, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a good point

Kind of feels like the fan base may be saying that about Bolden in a year or so too.

by GMac14 on Oct 10, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was at the game, but also DVR'd it

I am rewatching it and there have been multiple instances where Urban Meyer was dead on with his prediction of what play PSU was going to call or what they should call. Not saying that he thought PSU was predictable, but that he just was exactly right with the calls. Spielman even asks him if he was in tune with Coach Paterno.

by GMac14 on Oct 10, 2011 12:05 PM EDT reply actions  

I loved how Spielman kept insisting they run the play-action TE "pop play" that he'd seen us run in practice.

He said third and goal would be a good time to use it. Urban said, nah, that’s more of a first down play, he’d keep it on the ground and either pick up the first down or kick a FG. Silas picks up the first down on an awesome effort dive and on 1st and goal they run the play action “pop play” to the tight end.

by jtw126 on Oct 10, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

He had a whole month to scout PSU last year for the OB bowl...

and this team’s make up, at least on offense, is pretty similar. So that explains that.

by Artiefufkin10 on Oct 10, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

4th and 39 at the 2

was awesome

we're all here, but we're not all there

by GoodOleDays on Oct 10, 2011 12:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Division tiebreakers

So does overall conference record come before division record as a tiebreaker?

by speedomike on Oct 10, 2011 12:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Too lazy to find a source...

But I believe it is:
1) Overall conference record
2) Head-to-head
3) Division record

by Big Beefer on Oct 10, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, it is codivision champions

There is a potential for 4 teams to be invited to championship game, which will make for a very exciting game. And everyone gets to be a champion, just like the old days.

by psu on Oct 10, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Truth!

- but it is run by the team mascots

" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009

by BlueWhiteLife on Oct 10, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Iowa's mascot

is the worst. I made a comment to my friend during the game that it looks like a Halloween costume that I’d come up with on Halloween day if I didn’t feel like spending any money.

“What can I find….hmm here are my old football pants, I’ll wear those. And here’s a cape. Now I just need some kind of mask. Oh look, here’s that oversized hawkeye mask that looks like a ridiculous 1940’s Japanese animation character, let me wear that.”

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Oct 10, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Purdue Pete

"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."

#OccupyESPN

by IcersGuy on Oct 10, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who are we to talk?

Our mascot looks like a mountain lion. Sure it does. Totally. Totally.

"Who do you think you are? You’re the son-of-a-bitch that sat at that desk over there and fired Johnny Cash. Let it go down in history that you’re the dumbest son-of-a-bitch I’ve ever met." - Merle Haggard

by ReadingRambler on Oct 10, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least it's a coherent mascot costume

it’s a dude in a one-piece mountain lion costume.

Iowa’s is a dude in football pants, a cape and a big ceramic head that sort of looks like a bird.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Oct 10, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't really ask for much from mascots.

Coherency isn’t my biggest priority. Still, I mostly agree with you. The problem is that Herky can’t look as cool as the one Iowa logo:

"Who do you think you are? You’re the son-of-a-bitch that sat at that desk over there and fired Johnny Cash. Let it go down in history that you’re the dumbest son-of-a-bitch I’ve ever met." - Merle Haggard

by ReadingRambler on Oct 10, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, this has a certain

1930’s era appeal to it. Looks fierce and determined.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Oct 10, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

By the way, Stoops is losing credibility

OK, our defense isn’t Alabama’s or LSU’s, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t filled with fast, strong and athletic guys. Does he really think we only gave them one red zone opportunity all game because we out-schemed them?

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Oct 10, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course not...

our coaches can’t out scheme a cardboard box.

/i’m not sure how to do sarcasm font

by Artiefufkin10 on Oct 10, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

One week ago, you would have been praised for this statement.

"Who do you think you are? You’re the son-of-a-bitch that sat at that desk over there and fired Johnny Cash. Let it go down in history that you’re the dumbest son-of-a-bitch I’ve ever met." - Merle Haggard

by ReadingRambler on Oct 10, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I give him a pass

He’s pushing buttons in the wake of a beat. If he gets us talking about ‘elite’ again, there’s less discussion on the other issues important in Iowa’s loss.

by jtothep on Oct 11, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice

Did you like how the coaching and play met up with our sideline analysis from last week? I think the O managed that extra first down per possession I was hoping for, even if one of em came off the ref’s ankle lol.

Galen Hall after the game:

Q: What was the difference with the running game, the line or the back?
A: Probably both. Iowa is a very good sound defensive football team and we knew coming in we had to run it at a single back or two backs to be successful and take some time off the clock and help our defense. I think we did. We only had three drives the first half and 17 play drives which took time off the clock and helped keep our defense fresh.

by jtothep on Oct 10, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was 13

But we only needed 6. And it could have been 27 had things broken differently. If that game were played 10 times, I think the average score would be something like 20-7 good guys.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Oct 10, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

There will be some games where a score in the 20’s will be needed to win-more likely because of turnovers by the O as opposed to the D letting up multiple big plays in a game.

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by nits4ever on Oct 10, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree, but I really like the 35+ minutes of possession the last two weeks.

Keeps the ball away from other teams and kills their defense.

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by BMAN13 on Oct 11, 2011 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

So the Big Kat checks under his bed for EC?

Nice…

Don’t worry about getting school by Vrabel…dude was unreal

I blame HITS

by SweepTheLeg on Oct 10, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm over it

I still feel bad for Wally that day tho

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by hbeach08 on Oct 10, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

A few years back...

I think Rambler put up a fanshot of you… “Only ‘blankety blank’ until PSU football”

by Artiefufkin10 on Oct 10, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

crazy that we're saying "a few years back"

time flies

I don’t think Rambler knew at the time he had me in the countdown

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by hbeach08 on Oct 11, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta man up and admit I was wrong, but after Saturday

I am now officially a McMoxie guy. Prior to Saturday, I was adamant that Bolden was the man. For all his talent, McGloin is just showing a little extra something right now that gets the guys to respond. If he could just learn to not make the “shoot yourself in the face” mistakes, even though he did roll out and did throw a pass away in the 3rd quarter. Showed some improved decision making, but he needs a lot more improvement in that area.

I do think McGloin shows better field awareness and pocket presence, and shows better fakes on play action. Little things that could fake out or surprise a defense if we weren’t so damn predictable. I think McGloin has enough arm strength if they call the right plays and give him time.

Man, was that a major-league defensive effort on Saturday? Either Iowa was overrated or padded their stats against cupcakes (Pitt, anyone?) or this defense is rounding themselves into form to be something terrific. I think our secondary can man-up so we can blitz more (haven’t I been saying that?). If we can blitz more, with Still and Hill, this defense could be ’86 dominant.

As far as Meyer goes, see if he wears the home team’s colors the next game he announces. Him coming here would be great, but the Patriot News ran an article this morning in which all sides denied it. Of course, I know, who’s going to confirm it at this point?

by Ab4PSU on Oct 10, 2011 12:51 PM EDT reply actions  

re: blitzing more

I don’t think more is necessary, I would just like to see us blitz the same as saturday.

I’ve never seen us blitz so much, and it was beautiful.

Fire Dan Snyder

by Cari Greene on Oct 10, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Crazy Train.

We need a picture for the open threads like the flaming bus we have for basketball games.

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by Joe 96alum on Oct 10, 2011 12:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Pentimental,

we need you!!

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by Paige2PSU on Oct 10, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is a game that Penn State has lost so many times over the past few years, I just kept waiting for the wheels to come off. And it never happened! Loved the much more aggressive defensive approach. There are several stud athletes on that defense and it was great to see Coach Bradley turn them loose. Let us also pray that the QB issue is finally decided, although I guess we won’t know until this coming Saturday. Whenever I see Bolden not playing well, I keep having flashbacks to the state championship game his senior year in HS when, near the end of the game, he basically tripped over his own feet, fumbled the ball and sealed the victory for the other team.

by MB in MI on Oct 10, 2011 1:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Yep. Obviously, he was a star in HS but played at Orchard Lake St. Mary’s, a tradional powerhouse. So, spent lots of time running through gigantic holes and having lots of time to throw to wide open receivers. Watching him get chased down from behind by D linemen at this level really punctuates that as it seems he spent a lot of time carving up overmatched competition. Again, I guess it just shows how tough it is to predict how these highly touted kids are going to do.

by MB in MI on Oct 10, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a switcher too

Coming into this year, both QBs had horrible problems, and McGloin’s (terrible passing decisions combined with a weak arm) hurt us more than Bolden’s (lack of pocket awareness). At this point in the year though, McGloin has improved on his weakness (the INT on Sat was his first of the year) and Bolden has if anything regressed. Previously, I also felt that Bolden was the better bet in the future, but I am getting the feeling that if the time he’s spent playing so far hasn’t improved his QB intuition, more time isn’t going to do it either. We have a good running game and a great defense, just let McGloin go out there with explicit instructions not to f it up.

by elefantstn on Oct 10, 2011 1:05 PM EDT reply actions  

You can say all that you want about.....

Attitude, cockiness, and different plays for each QB, but all you have to do is watch both kids on the field and there is a MAJOR difference….Rob is not very mobile and seems rattled at times and is “quiet”…..Matt on the other hand is “into” the game as was very evident during the TD drive….he’s raring to go, wants the play called in ASAP and is not afraid to encourage or talk to his mates while on or off the field. He deserves to start now and barring any unforseen muck-up, he is the one….anyways that’s my viewed perception.and it’s something that cannot be seen on TV. And if Ron transfers, so be it.

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by DerryPharmer on Oct 10, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, and again

I think jtot is absolutely right in that McGloin’s swagger and leadership is less “forced” than what we saw from Clark, who was otherwise a pretty great quarterback.

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by ReadingRambler on Oct 10, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bolden looked pretty good

on his two designed runs on Saturday. But he does little to buy himself time when in passing mode. It’s like he’s so intent on finding a receiver he ignores what’s going on around him.

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by Kyle_Martin on Oct 10, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did anyone else at the game

get the genuine enjoyment I did out of watching grad ass’t Elijah Robinson run out and chest-bump the D guys on at least two occasions late in the game? That was very, very, cool to see. Great emotion.

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by Smee on Oct 10, 2011 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

I knew I recognized him!

He was in a class I TA’d as a senior. Good kid. I’m happy to hear he’s on the staff.

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by newenglandnittanylion on Oct 10, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was a wedding on Sat night...thought this was interesting.

Speaking with the groom’s father who played ball at U Penn in the late 60’s, he was talking about the PSU staff and running into Dick Anderson at the Bama game.

He was recruited by Dick Anderson to play at Lafayette…that is how old some of our assistant coaches are…just a different perspective.

I blame HITS

by SweepTheLeg on Oct 10, 2011 1:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Best Post this year

 Of course it was tasty full w/ win! Nice screen pics and commentary. Yum yum give me some.

shoot that up the flagpole and see who salutes it!

by teejaywalker on Oct 10, 2011 2:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Just to point out a similar situation that occured this year...

Didn’t McGloin have a similar hopeless outing against a team down south, and everyone sold him out as the loser of this QB race?

Having said that, I do believe McFavre has “won” this QB battle and I do believe we have already “lost” any games we play against defenses who can stop the run. With Mac in there we are guaranteed 1-2 pick 6’s against good passing defenses. (I hope he proves me wrong…)

The coaching staff has ruined Bolden and doesn’t have the confidence to call risky passing plays with him in. Bolden is reflecting that confidence with a lack of confidence in his arm. It’s been a downward spiral for him.

by Cadderly18 on Oct 10, 2011 2:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Well

In his limited time against Alabama he didn’t throw any pick sixes. So many they’re not guaranteed?

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by Kyle_Martin on Oct 10, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's true

but he didn’t play the entire game either, and he hardly ever throws balls to the center of the field unless its in triple coverage. Nearly every completion he threw (including to the other team) against Iowa was a “safe” out route.

Truth is, I feel like this coaching staff had made up their minds that they liked McGloin from the start, but instead of going with their gut, they thought they had to give Bolden a shot because he tried to transfer. Whether or not I agree with their assessment of the initial situation or their handling of the QB battle, I think Mcgloin gives us the best chance to win only because the staff has more confidence when he’s in and won’t call the boneheaded plays they call for Bolden.

by Cadderly18 on Oct 10, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Iowa fans were "guaranteed" at least one Stanziball a game the last few years

and they loved Ricky the American Patriot. Let love McGloin.

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by letsgopsu on Oct 10, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

This game was my kind of win

It wasn’t beautiful, and 13-3 doesn’t normally get saved for an instant classic status, but it was definitely a meaningful win for the program. With Iowa driving in the 4th down 6-3, I’m sure a lot of us thought “here we go again” but the defense came up big. I still think this team can not “assume” any win based on the style of play we currently have, as I feel the road game at NW and home game vs Illinois will be tough, but the table is setup for a nice run. Hopefully someone can trip up Wisconsin along the way too.

by mundyscorner99 on Oct 10, 2011 2:29 PM EDT reply actions  

With this win it would appear a bowl game is a safe bet

so time for compliance staff to make sure those “grad” student athletes completing their eligibility actually COMPLETE 6 credits this semester to comply with the newer NC2A rules so they can PLAY in said bowl game… let’s not have another PJ-similar issue.

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by Smee on Oct 10, 2011 2:55 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I guess I just feel bad for Bolden and whoever advised him to try to get out of his scholarship at PSU as this looks like it’s not going to end well for him. The kid obviously has talent but I think the Bolden camp has really lost sight of the bigger picture. Not sure who else was recruiting him but had he stayed in Michigan, he’d have had a 3 year wait behind Denard Robinson and a 2 year wait behind Kirk Cousins. Heck, Western’s 4-2 with a 3 point loss to Illinois and their QB is a stud whose on Manning and Davey O’Brien watch lists so not real sure he’d be starting there.

by MB in MI on Oct 10, 2011 3:08 PM EDT reply actions  

I think he would have been better off sitting, getting a redshirt

Instead he was thrust into a job that he wasn’t ready for (because nobody else had seized it), and he might not get another chance to own the job until his senior year. Joe should have let him go when he asked out of the scholarship. He did nothing wrong except that he failed to live up to 4 star expectations as a true freshman and part-time sophomore.

by kijana's acl on Oct 10, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure he could have gone

if there was any QB depth on the roster.

by gcdyersb on Oct 11, 2011 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

RWREESE

Where are you? I’ve come to ask your permission to get on the McGloin bandwagon. Is there still room for me up there?

Seriously though, Bolden just looks completely mentally broken. I don’t think he’s hurt. I don’t think he can’t make the throws. I think this year and offseason have just completely shattered him mentally. Like to the point where it might kill his career and any hope he had of being a great QB. I hope he makes me eat those words, but the kid just does NOT look like he belongs on a football field with whatever it is going on between his ears right now.

by psuwxman on Oct 10, 2011 3:13 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree, it is hard to see.

The blame for that falls on him and the coaches though. I think a major reason Joe has been playing him with Mcgloin is because he refused to let him go last winter. If he ends up not playing that decision is harder to swallow. However, at some point the coaches have to stop hurting the QBs and the team with the carousel approach and at this point I blame them more than Bolden for his regression.

by psu on Oct 10, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Forgive me if I missed it in the post but

What the hell was with calling the timeout on 4th-and-1 and then running out on the field with 0:05 on the play clock and drawing a delay of game penalty? How does that happen? I know people around here don’t like it when we criticize the coaches, but we have at least one of these stupid things related to timeouts or not getting the play in happen every game. It’s coaching, plain and simple.

And what’s up with the PSU website noting it as a 12 men on the field penalty? Is there a coverup going on here?

by BSD on Oct 10, 2011 3:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I know people around here don’t like it when we criticize the coaches

bwahahahahahahahahahahaha

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by ReadingRambler on Oct 10, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not laughing off the question.

I’m laughing off the notion that the majority of people here dislike criticism of the coaches because that, frankly, is completely absurd and it annoys me.

Moreover, a few minutes of reading here will prove I typically answer questions posed me.

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by ReadingRambler on Oct 10, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

And, by the way, it's possible to ridicule a statement without ridiculing the person making it.

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by ReadingRambler on Oct 10, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I forget the down and distance...

perhaps they took the penalty for a more favorable punting position for Fera? I really don’t remember.

by Artiefufkin10 on Oct 10, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay fine

We need to burn a timeout to do that? And if that’s what we decided, why run out there with a few seconds on the play clock as if we were standing on the sideline with our thumbs up our butts until someone said, “Oh crap, we better get out there!” Why not just stand in the huddle on the sideline and let the clock wind down and take the penalty?

And I don’t believe we were trying to draw them offsides. I’ve never seen PSU try to do that before. Ever. So I don’t think that was the goal there.

I think they were debating it on the sideline and couldn’t make up their minds. I can just picture Jay, Galen, McQueary, and Bradley arguing back and forth with Joe up in the press box asking Jay what’s going on.

by BSD on Oct 10, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough..

could have been a miscommunication and I don’t think one “okay” offensive performance against Iowa erases the obvious problems with this unit.

But if that’s your only complaint on the game, that’s a good sign.

by Artiefufkin10 on Oct 10, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

They made a mistake

perhaps a collective mistake. It happens.

IMO they made more positive game planning changes for this game and made their best adjustments this year to date. Everything wasn’t perfect – but better.

I’m sure they wish this specific timeout folly and thus, perhaps indecisiveness, didn’t occur.

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by BlueWhiteLife on Oct 10, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually saw it as a planned play

The time-out was called to waste as much time before deciding what they wanted to do for that 4th-and-1. The decision was to try to get Iowa to jump offsides or take the delay of game penalty (to help Fera’s leg and hope that, maybe once, our coverage team might actually play the punt properly).

Instead of just lining up and having McGloin hard-count for 25 seconds, they tried something tricky. They tried to catch Iowa off-guard by running out onto the field late, making it seem like a broken play, and hard-counting a couple times. Iowa wasn’t going to bite in either case (I think at this point, the only team that would jump there would be the Eagles), and so Penn State took the delay of game.

That’s not to say that I’m right about this by any stretch of the imagination. But my first inclination when I watched it was that it was an attempt to try something not normally seen in that situation to catch the Iowa defense off-guard.

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by IcersGuy on Oct 10, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You might be right

I don’t know the truth, and I didn’t read the post game transcripts to see if they were asked to explain it. But given their history on wasting timeouts, and especially on fourth downs, it fits with the other follies we’ve seen.

It wasn’t a big deal in this game, but they need to get this stuff worked out. If we had been down by three points at that point in the game this would be a major topic for discussion today.

by BSD on Oct 10, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually thought it was on purpose to give more room for the punt while watching the game

I may have been giving the coaches more credit than they deserve, but that was my impression.
I think most on this site would agree that our playcalling system is really not good.

by psu on Oct 10, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I could understand if they decided to take the penalty to give the punter more room, but the way the players ran out to the line with a sense of urgency like they were trying to get a play off doesn’t add into that line of thinking. To me it looked like they got caught not paying attention to the play clock and were trying to snap the ball.

I don’t want to harp on this, but it’s at least once a game we get one of these head scratchers related to a timeout or getting a play in on time.

by BSD on Oct 10, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

confuse the defense?

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by letsgopsu on Oct 10, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with letsgopsu

I think they planned this to try and confuse the defense and get them to jump. Make it seem like they were going for it and only had a few seconds left on the clock so the defense might jump. I watched the replay today and I’m pretty sure when McGloin gets under center he head fakes and is calling out like he’s getting ready to snap. I don’t think he runs up there and does nothing. So I really think they planned it.

by GMac14 on Oct 10, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

The ball was on the Iowa 38. Too far for a FG. And too close to punt IMO.

The way Redd and Dukes were running at six yards a clip, going for it was the best option there.

by BSD on Oct 10, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a typical call when they play Iowa..

for better or worse.

Didn’t matter anyway, at that point the defense was dominating them and they had a 2 score cushion.

by Artiefufkin10 on Oct 10, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you're correct, Artie.

I think we took the penalty to give Fera more room to try to pin them inside the 20.

by Ab4PSU on Oct 10, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

IIRC

I was writting this off as the coaches weighing the option of a specific play they had confidence in (and not agreeing on it) and then electing to take the delay-of-game, thus pushing them back/giving a little better cushion for the punt and pin Iowa inside the 10???

Don’t know about said cover-up. The penalty was called on the field. Perhaps a typo or maybe they hired that Collegian writer girl to color it up a little?

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by BlueWhiteLife on Oct 10, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps a typo or maybe they hired that Collegian writer girl to color it up a little?

and maybe she thought “too many men” was a sexier comment!

My grammer skills need improved.

by BMAN13 on Oct 10, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I couldn't help but make this green.

Now I feel ashamed.

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by SubLime on Oct 10, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 10, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly

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by BlueWhiteLife on Oct 10, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

where they trying to to get backed up a little for the punt?

we discussed this at the game but people were too giddy/nervous/excited to finish the conversation

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by letsgopsu on Oct 10, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm still Team Bolden or at least Team Undecided

It’s nonsense to say that McGloin has earned this job. It’s also nonsense to say that one interception against Iowa proves everything that Team Bolden has said in offense against McGloin.

This team has to be “Team Running Game” and hope and pray that the line can open up holes. I don’t trust McGloin to throw downfield, so if he can throw little flair-outs to tight ends for a TD, so be it.

Bottom line, Derek Moye is leaving the program this year. Thankfully, Justin Brown stepped up this week, but McGloin needs to get better in throwing to receivers not named Moye or we’ll never move the ball through the air. I still think that Bolden is the better option. Bolden at this point last year is better than Bolden or McGloin is this year, against better competition.

Or perhaps Paul Jones will light the world on fire… I’d be ok with that.

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by AdamShell on Oct 10, 2011 5:30 PM EDT reply actions  

give it up Adam

come to the Dark Side. There is lots of room on the bandwagon and it is full of friends!

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by letsgopsu on Oct 10, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

NEVER!!!

Or eventually. I don’t think my desires are unreasonable for McGloin to prove himself. In any case, this Penn State team is unprecedented. Aside from Matt Seneca, I can’t think of another Penn State quarterback in my lifetime that wasn’t better than McGloin or Bolden have been this year… and yet we’re 4-1.

That being said, I bet we’d be 4-1 if Bolden was starting as well… and I’m not so sure we’ll be thanking ourselves for this decision next season.

Oh I don’t know… Go generic PSU QB! #TeamRunningGame

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by AdamShell on Oct 10, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

My apologies

I think by this time Bolden was technically hurt as well, but I made my point.

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by AdamShell on Oct 10, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds about right...

I mean I know we lost to Alabama, Iowa and Illinois when he was the main QB. The illinois game was absolutely horrible. I still cringe thinking about how a dlineman breaks right into the backfield and Bolden fires a ball right at him….who deflected it into the air and then caught it and ran it in. That game was a low point of the year (perhaps Florida but at least you’re losing to Urban Meyer and not Zook)

by JRM397 on Oct 10, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

That Illinois game was

the single worst performance I have ever witnessed

Black shoes, basic blues, no names, all game.

by JIMPSU on Oct 10, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Yes there were injuries-but it was awful. Noses out 2001 Wisconsin (18-6) for the worst performance given by a PSU team while I have watched in person.

tO$U sucks-ALWAYS the right choice!

by nits4ever on Oct 10, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree

Florida was the worst, because it was a winnable game. Illinois beat PSU in all phases. Florida beat them in one phase. Even more frustrating when you add how much I enjoy watching Joe beat an SEC opponent.

by kijana's acl on Oct 11, 2011 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t understand the hatred for McGloin. Did you lose money on the Florida game? Did he give you a swirly? ‘Cause if that’s the case I can understand hating him.

by JRM397 on Oct 10, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Please find one single post in the history of this site where I say anything close to

“I hate Matt McGloin.”

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by AdamShell on Oct 10, 2011 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, do you wish to refute any of the points that I made?

Or do you just want to criticize me for disagreeing with you?

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by AdamShell on Oct 10, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will refute your points...I re-watched the entire game on DVR last night

—McGloin threw several well-timed intermediate to deep out routes along the sideline-particularly to Brown. Iowa’s DBs, who I think we can all agree are the strength of their defense, did not come close to intercepting those passes. To characterize the extent of McGloin’s abilities as throwing “little flair-outs to tight ends” is unfair.
—McGloin threw to many receivers not named Moye. His completions were as follows: Brown 3, Moye 2, Redd 2, Sczcerba 1, Haplea 1, Green 1, Suhey 1, Smith 1. Just off the top of my head, he also targeted Kersey in the end zone, but Kersey dropped it. So McGloin really spread the ball out well to his receivers, tight ends, and backs.
—I don’t think Bolden is the better option for the team because he doesn’t give Penn State the best chance to win. Meyer said during the game that he didn’t see Bolden complete a pass over 5 yards the entire time he was at practice this week. Bolden looked lost out there, mentally and physically.
—McGloin this year is better than Bolden was last year, too. 2010 Bolden had a 58% comp pct, 5 tds, 7 ints, and a 118.5 qb rating. 2011 McGloin has a 59% comp. pct, 5 tds, 1 int, and a 141.2 qb rating.

Now it’s off to watch Monday Night Raw on DVR. We complain about PSU’s offensive playcalling, but it is nothing compared to the clusterf*ck that is the WWE’s writing since July. Oh well.

by Big Beefer on Oct 10, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, Iowa's secondary is clearly the strong point...

They’re the 80th ranked passing defense in the country. Please.

I’m glad McGloin spread the ball around more! He completed ONE whole pass to a WR not named Moye or Brown!!! HEISMAN!!! http://www.statecollege.com/news/columns/penn-state-football-thanks-to-his-favorite-receiver-matt-mcgloin-is-derek-moye-bien-891982/

I think Bolden still gives us the best chance to win next year and I think he can lead the team this year as well (see: Alabama, last drive… Temple, last drive). McGloin does well enough and I don’t know that Bolden should be playing more than him, but McGloin certainly isn’t good enough to be named THE starter.

McGloin this year, like last year, has inflated his stats against inferior competition. Clearly, if you look at him objectively, he shouldn’t be named THE starter.

So why is everyone so eager to give him that title?

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by AdamShell on Oct 10, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Why do you have to mock me?

Where did I say McGloin was a Heisman candidate? I didn’t even come close to saying that. I said he is better than Bolden. I stand by that. I also didn’t mock any of your points that I find ridiculous (of which there are several) with a “Please.”

I don’t get it, man. What are you so upset about? I’ve followed this blog for years. You used to be a pretty easy-going guy. Ever since McGloin appeared on the scene last year, it’s like you’ve gone crazy. You used to hand out bunnies to posters that were unreasonable. Well now you are repeatedly unreasonable. I tried to have a reasonable debate with you about the QBs, but it looks like that’s impossible. What a disappointment.

by Big Beefer on Oct 10, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s kinda where I’m coming from. His criticism of McGloin feels more of a personal nature. It’s pointless to argue with him. If McGloin does something well, it’s either a) the defense sucks (the exact defense Bolden is playing against) b) the playcalling is better for McGloin (probably because the coaches trust him more) or c) it wasn’t a real drive because there was a penalty called, a lucky catch, etc etc. take your pick.

by JRM397 on Oct 10, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Oh I forget

He also sucks because he throws to Moye too much.

by JRM397 on Oct 10, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too logical

I don’t follow….so if you’re saying McGloin is better than Bolden…you’re saying that McGloin deserves the Heisman…..well I’m going to have to disagree with you there.

by JRM397 on Oct 10, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not upset

I’m just not ready to choose McGloin. I don’t think it’s unreasonable… I’ve given you my reasoning and I feel that it’s solid. You are allowed to disagree, give me bunnies, what have you, but it is what it is.

And I am a very easy going guy. I’m not upset at all, just confused as to why people are so strongly convinced by one QBs lackluster performance and are willing to shun a very similar lackluster performance.

You responded to a post that PERSONALly ATTACKed me so I was on edge. I didn’t mean to mock your points or you… it was meant to illustrate that perhaps I thought your points were a bit ridiculous as well.

As I’ve stated ad nauseum I like both guys… I just think Bolden gives us the better opportunity to win. He’s shown me that he can lead a TD drive against a great defense whereas McGloin throws one 1 yard pass to the TE. He hasn’t convinced me.

I’m sorry if I offended you… certainly not my intention.

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by AdamShell on Oct 11, 2011 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is where I am

I’m fine if McGloin is named the starter. He’s limited, but we know the limitations (see, e.g., the stupid pick in the end zone). I like Bolden in the long term, but want to win as many games as possible this year. If that means McGloin’s the guy, then he’s the guy. Just don’t tell me that I can’t like Bolden because McGloin has seized this job, because, well, that’s just a difference of opinion.

by kijana's acl on Oct 11, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

You know he could probably complete more than ONE whole pass to a WR not named Moye or Brown if he got to play the whole game.

by JRM397 on Oct 10, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

To continue our McGloin-lovers'-convention

I don’t even really think that’s a valid criticism. One of the big complaints about McGloin has been that he doesn’t check down and take what is there. So he pushed the ball to this best receivers (Moye and Brown). But he mostly dumped the ball underneath to backs and tight ends. If McGloin can do that, and the O-line can keep opening holes for Redd, Dukes, etc., this team can really go places.

by Big Beefer on Oct 10, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

While I still can’t see us beating Wisconsin, I think we have a decent shot against Nebraska especially since it’s at home.

by JRM397 on Oct 10, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

While we can't agree on a QB

I’m all for Dukes as the second string RB. I like Beachum and I think he’s a strong back but I think Dukes is a strong back who also has the speed to take a long one to the house.

by JRM397 on Oct 10, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually

Run Devon on a decoy end-around every play and then have 2 RB doing their option thing. I’d sign up for that 2-3 times a game

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by OctaShields on Oct 11, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

One of the big complaints about McGloin has been that he doesn’t check down and take what is there

I have seen vast improvement in this from McGloin this year. This was my big complaint—and a major reason why he had so many INTs last year—defenses could read him. Now, he’s getting better at it. Perfect? No, of course not. But distinctly better. I haven’t seen that same improvement in Bolden over the past year.

Fire Dan Snyder

by Cari Greene on Oct 11, 2011 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Must be a lonely place

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by JIMPSU on Oct 10, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

the stat sheet disagrees with you.

i wish bolden was good too, but he is not ready to be our starter.

by tlrpsu on Oct 10, 2011 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is McGloin?

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by AdamShell on Oct 10, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Note that Bolden is 5-1 as a starter this year.

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by AdamShell on Oct 10, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

So...

you don’t think he’s ready to be our starter. Exactly my point.

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by AdamShell on Oct 10, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

The best we have, is the guy we should start.

That was my point. Based off of their statistics.

by tlrpsu on Oct 10, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

By statistics alone

Garrett Venuto is 1/1 for 17 yards on the season. He should start next week.

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by AdamShell on Oct 10, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

you and i both know thats a rediculous argument.

then evan lewis should be the running back because he has 8 yards per carry. i just want to win. it makes no difference to me who does it. If mcgloin gives us a better shot, then give him more snaps. Bolden just needs a lot of work.

by tlrpsu on Oct 10, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am of the opinion that stats are worth very little in that argument

McGloin has looked better in the majority of games this year and especially (and more importantly) in the most recent games. Stats in such small samples are misleading, when a few drops or drops interceptions could change everything.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Oct 10, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I feel where Adam is coming from

by starting McG we’re resigning ourselves to the fate that we won’t beat the Wisko’s and Ohio State’s of the world. Nor the top flight SEC schools (Bama) or even the mid range SEC schools (Florida). For the record, I don’t think Rob gives us a much better shot at those teams either, but whatever. With this set of qb’s, we’re all gonna wish we had someone different, it’s just the way it is.

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Oct 11, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fast forward to 2061

Coach Paterno is still coaching Penn State football (in 2012 they found a way to reverse the aging process)
JayPa is still coaching the QB’s and calling plays
The rest of the coaching staff said eff it, and died.
There is now a ‘4-headed QB’ system.

How does it turn out?

we're all here, but we're not all there

by GoodOleDays on Oct 10, 2011 5:54 PM EDT reply actions  

36-0!

MNC!

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by WorldBFat on Oct 10, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

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